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These Wiki articles on the Laki dialect are dominated by individual propaganda, personal ideology, fantasy, and personal agendas. Many of the individuals who are dominating these articles are attempting to re-write history and portray a false imago of the Laki tribe. In reality, the Laks are very different and share a very different history from what is said about them here on these webpages. Unfortunately, these people have nothing but time on there hands, while the rest of us do not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakestan ( talk • contribs) 11:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
It's definitely more ancient than Farsi is !
please do not use weblogs in external link sections, thanks-- Pejman47 09:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello Every one I think Laki ia a language just as Farsi and Kurdi. I had found Words that are originaly in Old Persian(Parsie_e Bastan) that have different forms in Farsi ,Kurdi and Luri. for example you can compare the word An( means that) in Farsi with Luri ,Kurdi, Laki and Old Persian counterparts.
80.191.228.199 10:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC) Arash Nadri
Laki Language and articles the like which are based on nothing outside of personal ideas of various virtual individuals, have made Wikipedia a simply-at-hand source to skim materials rather than an adequately reliable scientific source. This, let alone causing socio-ethnic tensions in particular cases, is why scholars and peoples who seek reliable information, regard Wikipedia not seriously in practice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.219.138.247 ( talk) 13:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Laki is an absolute language. Its may have some words of very ancient Persian language (avesta) and kurdish, but it has thousands of words that you can't find in other languages. Laki is the native language of some cities of Iran (like delfan) and some cites of Iraq. It means one language in two different country so it's not persian. Its not Luri! It vastly is different from Luri, but it has some common points with Kurdish but Laki absolutely is not a dialect of Kurdish!
We should definitely change this article from being a language to a dialect, either a Persian or a Kurdish. I personally think it's a Persian one, but does anyone have scientific evidence for that? (Or even Kurdish) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LouisAragon ( talk • contribs) 23:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Since Laki is not really a "language" but a variety of Kurdish (because this article itself, RS, Ethnologue, and the Kurdish languages articles all unanimously say so), it should have a title consistent with other Kurdish articles, i.e. Northern Kurdish, Southern Kurdish, and Central Kurdish. Also, the title should be easily distinguishable from Lak language which is an independent Northeast Caucasian language, not a dialect like Laki. I think we should move this article to " Laki Kurdish" as per these reasons. What do other editors think? Khestwol ( talk) 02:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Dear free Encyclopedia users, as it is evident and I referred to its corresponding references and literature, Laki is and has been an integral part of Lurish community. For decades the title Kurd has attributed to Iranian nomads from total Iran plateau. This phrase included Persian, Lurish and other Iranian nomads. In case of Lurish people, due to significant similarities and interrelationships they were claimed several times by Kurdish separatists to be a branch of so-called Greater Kurdistan. This claim was not welcomed by Lurish community. Then they tried to attach the regions with more similarities. Lak people are the closest part of Lurish community to their Kurdish adjacents. During history, they always have been a part of Luristan, for example Ilam province was known as Poshtkuh Luristan. As well, in 1976 A.D due to their ethnic affiliations and interests, heft of Laki inhabitant regions of Kermanshah province were appended to Luristan province. I do not deny significant similarities between these two ethnic groups, but historical and routine evidences confirm their Lurish identity. -- Shadegan ( talk) 07:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
No sir you're the one that's falsifying reality, Laki is not a Lurrish dialect. PisheKuh Laks have been "lurified" through decades of exposure and proximity to the Lurrs, but the Laks are historically Kurdish and share many roots with Kurdish tribes. The linguistic studies done on Laks are biased, they were conducted with consideration of a very small sub-population of pisheKuh Laks whose dialect had been greatly influenced by Lurrs. If they were to do this same analysis on PoshteKuh Laks you would see that Kermanshahi Kurdi and Laki are very very close. Most Laks don't even understand Lurri. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakestan ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello, please look at this and this edits of user:Shadegan. It's important to look at sources. For example, the user:Shadegan added , Erik John Anonby as a so-called source which supports Laki belongs to Luri language. But if you read pages 19 and 20, you can see a comparison of Pish-e Kuh Laki with Kurdish and Luri. After that the author says: Pish-e Kuh Laki is aligned with Kurdish rather than Luri. This is distortion of information. User:Shadegan is also adding some persian sources which can not be checked/proved. Thanks.-- Gomada ( talk) 14:04, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
As it was asked by English Wikipedia administrators, I provided some authentic and valid references for Lurish Identity of Feyli Lurs in two edited pages. As you can see in the history of these pages the user User:Gomada has changed and removed these logical and authentic edits. As an old user of Wikipedia I think some users have imagined and counted this invaluable and useful encyclopedia as a farce and mischief area to distort the realities and promote their ethnocentric and ambitious aims. I hope Wikipedia adminstrators and other realistic users help to stop and prevent such inappropriate vandalism efforts.-- Shadegan ( talk) 13:53, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Ethnologue classified this language as ad branch of Kurdish and corrected it's mistake in archive.when the new version correct a thing then the old version is not reliable. Hamid Izadpanah was a poet and researcher of local Lurish music and he was not a linguist. Sekandar Amanollahi mentioned The Luri dialect is closer to Persian while Laki is closer to Kurdish. and other sources are fake. other sources are fake. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 00:05, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
International Encyclopedia of Linguistics: AAVE-Esperanto. Vol. 1 page 310 did not tell anything about Laki language. it is about Chinese language. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 10:02, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: 2 and 8 are same and also 4 and 5 are same and also i explained about other sources. – Hossein Iran « talk » 08:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: both of them are from Ethnologue and Ethnologue corrected that mistake and classified Laki as a branch of Kurdish here Laki in ethnologue. and in Persian Wikipedia users talked adequate about those sources and they were omitted from article. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 15:08, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: so please do not revert sources. i omitted them from Persian Wikipedia but vandal user tries to make vandalism in other Wikipedias after failure in vandalism in Persiann Wikipedia. there i have adequate accesses and other Admins are protecting related articles but unfortunately in English Wikipedia Admins are not Iranian and they do not have any information about the topic. thank you. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 17:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. There is consensus against this requested move. ( closed by non-admin page mover) qedk ( t 桜 c) 12:19, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
![]() | It was proposed in this section that
Laki language be
renamed and moved to
Laki Kurdish.
The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment. Links:
current log •
target log |
Laki language → Laki Kurdish – Laki is not a language (at least 7 academic sources confirming that in the article). User HistoryofIran has reverted by move twice now thinking he owns the page. So, I'm making a request here since the current title is very misleading. It is a Kurdish dialect (see intro of the page) which only makes in natural for it to be named Laki Kurdish. Looking at the history of the talkpage, it is very clear that this page has had a big POV-problem. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 00:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
*Laki-Kurdish
- Kurdish
- Laki
So does that mean Laki-Kurdish is the parent language for both Kurdish language and Laki language?-- SharabSalam ( talk) 12:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Shadegan:, what do you mean by " Ethnocentric edits"? Please, use the talkpage to improve the article. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 12:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Shadegan: @ Ahmedo Semsurî: I would suggest that both of you guys stop reverting each other and discuss calmly here on the talk page. Thanks.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 14:46, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Dear @ HistoryofIran:, a planned ethnocentric edit series are done n pages Feyli Lurs, Laki language, Laks and Iraqi Lurs to revert their identityto the desires and wishes of some ethnocentric users. Please have a look to their trends. SHADEGAN ( talk) 15:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Since no action has been taking, I've decided to add needed templates for dead links and unattainable references. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 10:42, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, but i remember when i always check on kurdish wikipedia, laks were described as ethnic kurds and now after i checked today it says they are ethnic laks?? Since when? We have too many laks from zand tribe who says themselves they are kurds, according to others scholars they’ve always been kurds, even some historical famous kurds in 20th century were laki speaker from zand tribe, laki comes from kurdish to southern kurdish dialects 185.187.78.149 ( talk) 12:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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These Wiki articles on the Laki dialect are dominated by individual propaganda, personal ideology, fantasy, and personal agendas. Many of the individuals who are dominating these articles are attempting to re-write history and portray a false imago of the Laki tribe. In reality, the Laks are very different and share a very different history from what is said about them here on these webpages. Unfortunately, these people have nothing but time on there hands, while the rest of us do not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakestan ( talk • contribs) 11:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
It's definitely more ancient than Farsi is !
please do not use weblogs in external link sections, thanks-- Pejman47 09:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello Every one I think Laki ia a language just as Farsi and Kurdi. I had found Words that are originaly in Old Persian(Parsie_e Bastan) that have different forms in Farsi ,Kurdi and Luri. for example you can compare the word An( means that) in Farsi with Luri ,Kurdi, Laki and Old Persian counterparts.
80.191.228.199 10:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC) Arash Nadri
Laki Language and articles the like which are based on nothing outside of personal ideas of various virtual individuals, have made Wikipedia a simply-at-hand source to skim materials rather than an adequately reliable scientific source. This, let alone causing socio-ethnic tensions in particular cases, is why scholars and peoples who seek reliable information, regard Wikipedia not seriously in practice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.219.138.247 ( talk) 13:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Laki is an absolute language. Its may have some words of very ancient Persian language (avesta) and kurdish, but it has thousands of words that you can't find in other languages. Laki is the native language of some cities of Iran (like delfan) and some cites of Iraq. It means one language in two different country so it's not persian. Its not Luri! It vastly is different from Luri, but it has some common points with Kurdish but Laki absolutely is not a dialect of Kurdish!
We should definitely change this article from being a language to a dialect, either a Persian or a Kurdish. I personally think it's a Persian one, but does anyone have scientific evidence for that? (Or even Kurdish) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LouisAragon ( talk • contribs) 23:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Since Laki is not really a "language" but a variety of Kurdish (because this article itself, RS, Ethnologue, and the Kurdish languages articles all unanimously say so), it should have a title consistent with other Kurdish articles, i.e. Northern Kurdish, Southern Kurdish, and Central Kurdish. Also, the title should be easily distinguishable from Lak language which is an independent Northeast Caucasian language, not a dialect like Laki. I think we should move this article to " Laki Kurdish" as per these reasons. What do other editors think? Khestwol ( talk) 02:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Dear free Encyclopedia users, as it is evident and I referred to its corresponding references and literature, Laki is and has been an integral part of Lurish community. For decades the title Kurd has attributed to Iranian nomads from total Iran plateau. This phrase included Persian, Lurish and other Iranian nomads. In case of Lurish people, due to significant similarities and interrelationships they were claimed several times by Kurdish separatists to be a branch of so-called Greater Kurdistan. This claim was not welcomed by Lurish community. Then they tried to attach the regions with more similarities. Lak people are the closest part of Lurish community to their Kurdish adjacents. During history, they always have been a part of Luristan, for example Ilam province was known as Poshtkuh Luristan. As well, in 1976 A.D due to their ethnic affiliations and interests, heft of Laki inhabitant regions of Kermanshah province were appended to Luristan province. I do not deny significant similarities between these two ethnic groups, but historical and routine evidences confirm their Lurish identity. -- Shadegan ( talk) 07:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
No sir you're the one that's falsifying reality, Laki is not a Lurrish dialect. PisheKuh Laks have been "lurified" through decades of exposure and proximity to the Lurrs, but the Laks are historically Kurdish and share many roots with Kurdish tribes. The linguistic studies done on Laks are biased, they were conducted with consideration of a very small sub-population of pisheKuh Laks whose dialect had been greatly influenced by Lurrs. If they were to do this same analysis on PoshteKuh Laks you would see that Kermanshahi Kurdi and Laki are very very close. Most Laks don't even understand Lurri. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakestan ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello, please look at this and this edits of user:Shadegan. It's important to look at sources. For example, the user:Shadegan added , Erik John Anonby as a so-called source which supports Laki belongs to Luri language. But if you read pages 19 and 20, you can see a comparison of Pish-e Kuh Laki with Kurdish and Luri. After that the author says: Pish-e Kuh Laki is aligned with Kurdish rather than Luri. This is distortion of information. User:Shadegan is also adding some persian sources which can not be checked/proved. Thanks.-- Gomada ( talk) 14:04, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
As it was asked by English Wikipedia administrators, I provided some authentic and valid references for Lurish Identity of Feyli Lurs in two edited pages. As you can see in the history of these pages the user User:Gomada has changed and removed these logical and authentic edits. As an old user of Wikipedia I think some users have imagined and counted this invaluable and useful encyclopedia as a farce and mischief area to distort the realities and promote their ethnocentric and ambitious aims. I hope Wikipedia adminstrators and other realistic users help to stop and prevent such inappropriate vandalism efforts.-- Shadegan ( talk) 13:53, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Ethnologue classified this language as ad branch of Kurdish and corrected it's mistake in archive.when the new version correct a thing then the old version is not reliable. Hamid Izadpanah was a poet and researcher of local Lurish music and he was not a linguist. Sekandar Amanollahi mentioned The Luri dialect is closer to Persian while Laki is closer to Kurdish. and other sources are fake. other sources are fake. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 00:05, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
International Encyclopedia of Linguistics: AAVE-Esperanto. Vol. 1 page 310 did not tell anything about Laki language. it is about Chinese language. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 10:02, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: 2 and 8 are same and also 4 and 5 are same and also i explained about other sources. – Hossein Iran « talk » 08:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: both of them are from Ethnologue and Ethnologue corrected that mistake and classified Laki as a branch of Kurdish here Laki in ethnologue. and in Persian Wikipedia users talked adequate about those sources and they were omitted from article. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 15:08, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran: so please do not revert sources. i omitted them from Persian Wikipedia but vandal user tries to make vandalism in other Wikipedias after failure in vandalism in Persiann Wikipedia. there i have adequate accesses and other Admins are protecting related articles but unfortunately in English Wikipedia Admins are not Iranian and they do not have any information about the topic. thank you. --– Hossein Iran « talk » 17:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. There is consensus against this requested move. ( closed by non-admin page mover) qedk ( t 桜 c) 12:19, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
![]() | It was proposed in this section that
Laki language be
renamed and moved to
Laki Kurdish.
The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment. Links:
current log •
target log |
Laki language → Laki Kurdish – Laki is not a language (at least 7 academic sources confirming that in the article). User HistoryofIran has reverted by move twice now thinking he owns the page. So, I'm making a request here since the current title is very misleading. It is a Kurdish dialect (see intro of the page) which only makes in natural for it to be named Laki Kurdish. Looking at the history of the talkpage, it is very clear that this page has had a big POV-problem. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 00:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
*Laki-Kurdish
- Kurdish
- Laki
So does that mean Laki-Kurdish is the parent language for both Kurdish language and Laki language?-- SharabSalam ( talk) 12:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Shadegan:, what do you mean by " Ethnocentric edits"? Please, use the talkpage to improve the article. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 12:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Shadegan: @ Ahmedo Semsurî: I would suggest that both of you guys stop reverting each other and discuss calmly here on the talk page. Thanks.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 14:46, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Dear @ HistoryofIran:, a planned ethnocentric edit series are done n pages Feyli Lurs, Laki language, Laks and Iraqi Lurs to revert their identityto the desires and wishes of some ethnocentric users. Please have a look to their trends. SHADEGAN ( talk) 15:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Since no action has been taking, I've decided to add needed templates for dead links and unattainable references. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 10:42, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, but i remember when i always check on kurdish wikipedia, laks were described as ethnic kurds and now after i checked today it says they are ethnic laks?? Since when? We have too many laks from zand tribe who says themselves they are kurds, according to others scholars they’ve always been kurds, even some historical famous kurds in 20th century were laki speaker from zand tribe, laki comes from kurdish to southern kurdish dialects 185.187.78.149 ( talk) 12:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)