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On the photos it not VAZ-2101, but VAZ-2105 or VAZ-2107. I tell you for sure. See ru:Изображение:Lada 2101.jpg for real ВАЗ-2101 ("Kopeyka"). 87.245.140.252 11:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
1st image seems to be really VAZ-2102; (if I see it in Russia, I would say it is; but maybe it was sold abroad with other name KonstKaras ( talk) 18:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
on the pfhotos:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lada_Riva.JPG - 2104
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Riva.jpeg - 2107
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lada_Riva_estate_Cambridge.jpg - 2102
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lada_Riva_1500_Estate.JPG - 2104 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.189.134.202 ( talk) 05:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_B_145_Bild-F088839-0023,_Berlin-Friedrichshain,_Geparkter_PKW_Lada.jpg - 2101 KonstKaras ( talk) 20:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
VAZ-2104 VAZ-2105 VAZ-2107 known in the western Europe under the trade mark LADA or LADA Riva.
VAZ-2101 and VAZ-2102 is russian version Fiat 124.
VAZ-2103 known in the western Europe under the trade mark Zhiguli.
VAZ-2106 not delivered on the European market
VAZ-2108 VAZ-2109 known in the western Europe under the trade mark LADA Samara.
LADA is god in russian neopaganism heh. Gnomsovet ( talk) 21:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
afaik lada riva is the name known in UK (or western europe). shouldn't we change it to its original name(vaz 2107)?-- Infestor ( talk) 13:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I've only ever seen the Riva name on later releases of this car, for a long time they were either not model badged, badged as 1500, and the estates as the Lada combi. 86.4.152.167 ( talk) 18:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
If you want the car, but you not have money in Russia, you buy Lada. One Lada - 8000$!(2009, 14 of April ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.126.37.230 ( talk) 14:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Article currently states:
"Its spartan interiors, dated styling and outdated mechanicals meant that it was never actually aimed at buyers of market leaders' similar-sized products such as the Ford Sierra, Vauxhall Cavalier and Austin Montego. It was a competitor for fellow East European and Far Eastern cars from makes like Skoda, Yugo, FSO and Hyundai."
However, I don't think thats really the full accurate picture. Those other eastern vehicles were relatively lightweight and smaller offerings, not really equivalents. The 2 big strengths of the Riva were that a) it was shamelessly cheap b) it was an exceptionally tough workhorse.
Rather I think Lada Rivas had no real equivalents elsewhere in the 1980s UK car market, and captured a few market niches:
86.4.152.167 ( talk) 18:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Notes for consideration :
according to KYB Europe (worlds biggest shock absorber manufacturer) - the 1100,1300,1500 engines (2108,2109,21099 models) are the Samara,Riva,Diva,Forma,Sagona Saloon, Hatch and fastback models - 1986 onwards.
1200,1300,1500,1600 cc engines (2101,2102,2103,2104,2105,2106,2107,21011,21061 models) are the VAZ, Nova and Toscana from 1970. Saloon and Estate.
If the suspension is different between these models then the chassis base would be also. therefore the '2105' is not a Riva.
source : http://www.kyb-europe.com/catalogue.asp download the PDF catalogue as this is more precise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.46.193.6 ( talk) 11:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
The "1981 in Canada" photograph ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%2781_Lada_1500_%28Auto_classique_Pointe-Claire_%2711%29.jpg) depicts a VAZ 21061 (with an enormous huge bumper I have never seen before), whereas the article mainly deals with 2104, 05 and 07 (a restyle Zhiguli version). Shouldn't the picture be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.39.35.200 ( talk) 09:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 17:31, 24 January 2013 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Lada Riva → VAZ-2105 – This current name isnt in line with WP:CARS naming system, there was also earlier discussion about the naming of the Lada articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#Lada_Riva--Relisted Drmies ( talk) 04:58, 3 January 2013 (UTC)> Typ932 T· C 17:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
There is a 'Top Gear' section that says "The Lada Riva has been featured twice on the British motoring program Top Gear" and then lists the two episodes it appeared in without making any further comment about how this was notable. Hundreds of cars have appeared on Top Gear, from expensive sports cars to cheap family cars, some praise and some blasted. For a car to appear on Top Gear is not a notable event. Unless the appearance significantly altered the sales, public opinion, etc, then it is not notable to the car article. That section should be deleted. Stepho talk 22:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. SMcCandlish makes a very strong case which has not been rebutted. Additionally, since his oppose all further votes have also been opposes. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Lada Riva →
VAZ-2105 – As per
titling guidelines, an article on a car should use the home market (=Russia/USSR in this case) unless all English-speaking markets use one and the same name. A previous attempt to move this page to a correctly titled entry was (mistakenly, imho) closed as no consensus - with two for and one against, and the opposing voter asking for an exemption for the "Riva". In Canada, the car was sold as the Signet and in NZ as the Lada Saloon (although it carried
"LADA-2107" badging there).
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According to this blog post from November 2015, about classic cars in Cuba, production of the Lada 2107 model in Egypt continued until in 2014, when "the assembly line was retooled for the production of the modern Lada Granta". It seems hard to find references about this fact right now, but the claim that production is ongoing Egpyt is arguable. BaboneCar ( talk) 17:59, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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This ZR article compares the crash test results of two different Lada 21053 models, one from 2002 and an older one from 1994. The UNECE standards 12-03 and 33 are mentioned, and the article notes that the 1994 model fails to meet the second one. It goes on to say that when new regulations are approved in October of the same year, the new model probably will not pass them, either. So to say that ' the car met old UECE car safety standards but would not pass more modern safety regulations of the 2000s' is just misleading.-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 10:25, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
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On the photos it not VAZ-2101, but VAZ-2105 or VAZ-2107. I tell you for sure. See ru:Изображение:Lada 2101.jpg for real ВАЗ-2101 ("Kopeyka"). 87.245.140.252 11:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
1st image seems to be really VAZ-2102; (if I see it in Russia, I would say it is; but maybe it was sold abroad with other name KonstKaras ( talk) 18:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
on the pfhotos:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lada_Riva.JPG - 2104
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Riva.jpeg - 2107
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lada_Riva_estate_Cambridge.jpg - 2102
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lada_Riva_1500_Estate.JPG - 2104 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.189.134.202 ( talk) 05:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_B_145_Bild-F088839-0023,_Berlin-Friedrichshain,_Geparkter_PKW_Lada.jpg - 2101 KonstKaras ( talk) 20:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
VAZ-2104 VAZ-2105 VAZ-2107 known in the western Europe under the trade mark LADA or LADA Riva.
VAZ-2101 and VAZ-2102 is russian version Fiat 124.
VAZ-2103 known in the western Europe under the trade mark Zhiguli.
VAZ-2106 not delivered on the European market
VAZ-2108 VAZ-2109 known in the western Europe under the trade mark LADA Samara.
LADA is god in russian neopaganism heh. Gnomsovet ( talk) 21:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
afaik lada riva is the name known in UK (or western europe). shouldn't we change it to its original name(vaz 2107)?-- Infestor ( talk) 13:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I've only ever seen the Riva name on later releases of this car, for a long time they were either not model badged, badged as 1500, and the estates as the Lada combi. 86.4.152.167 ( talk) 18:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
If you want the car, but you not have money in Russia, you buy Lada. One Lada - 8000$!(2009, 14 of April ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.126.37.230 ( talk) 14:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Article currently states:
"Its spartan interiors, dated styling and outdated mechanicals meant that it was never actually aimed at buyers of market leaders' similar-sized products such as the Ford Sierra, Vauxhall Cavalier and Austin Montego. It was a competitor for fellow East European and Far Eastern cars from makes like Skoda, Yugo, FSO and Hyundai."
However, I don't think thats really the full accurate picture. Those other eastern vehicles were relatively lightweight and smaller offerings, not really equivalents. The 2 big strengths of the Riva were that a) it was shamelessly cheap b) it was an exceptionally tough workhorse.
Rather I think Lada Rivas had no real equivalents elsewhere in the 1980s UK car market, and captured a few market niches:
86.4.152.167 ( talk) 18:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Notes for consideration :
according to KYB Europe (worlds biggest shock absorber manufacturer) - the 1100,1300,1500 engines (2108,2109,21099 models) are the Samara,Riva,Diva,Forma,Sagona Saloon, Hatch and fastback models - 1986 onwards.
1200,1300,1500,1600 cc engines (2101,2102,2103,2104,2105,2106,2107,21011,21061 models) are the VAZ, Nova and Toscana from 1970. Saloon and Estate.
If the suspension is different between these models then the chassis base would be also. therefore the '2105' is not a Riva.
source : http://www.kyb-europe.com/catalogue.asp download the PDF catalogue as this is more precise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.46.193.6 ( talk) 11:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
The "1981 in Canada" photograph ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%2781_Lada_1500_%28Auto_classique_Pointe-Claire_%2711%29.jpg) depicts a VAZ 21061 (with an enormous huge bumper I have never seen before), whereas the article mainly deals with 2104, 05 and 07 (a restyle Zhiguli version). Shouldn't the picture be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.39.35.200 ( talk) 09:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 17:31, 24 January 2013 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
Lada Riva → VAZ-2105 – This current name isnt in line with WP:CARS naming system, there was also earlier discussion about the naming of the Lada articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles#Lada_Riva--Relisted Drmies ( talk) 04:58, 3 January 2013 (UTC)> Typ932 T· C 17:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
There is a 'Top Gear' section that says "The Lada Riva has been featured twice on the British motoring program Top Gear" and then lists the two episodes it appeared in without making any further comment about how this was notable. Hundreds of cars have appeared on Top Gear, from expensive sports cars to cheap family cars, some praise and some blasted. For a car to appear on Top Gear is not a notable event. Unless the appearance significantly altered the sales, public opinion, etc, then it is not notable to the car article. That section should be deleted. Stepho talk 22:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. SMcCandlish makes a very strong case which has not been rebutted. Additionally, since his oppose all further votes have also been opposes. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:53, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Lada Riva →
VAZ-2105 – As per
titling guidelines, an article on a car should use the home market (=Russia/USSR in this case) unless all English-speaking markets use one and the same name. A previous attempt to move this page to a correctly titled entry was (mistakenly, imho) closed as no consensus - with two for and one against, and the opposing voter asking for an exemption for the "Riva". In Canada, the car was sold as the Signet and in NZ as the Lada Saloon (although it carried
"LADA-2107" badging there).
Mr.choppers |
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05:23, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
According to this blog post from November 2015, about classic cars in Cuba, production of the Lada 2107 model in Egypt continued until in 2014, when "the assembly line was retooled for the production of the modern Lada Granta". It seems hard to find references about this fact right now, but the claim that production is ongoing Egpyt is arguable. BaboneCar ( talk) 17:59, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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This ZR article compares the crash test results of two different Lada 21053 models, one from 2002 and an older one from 1994. The UNECE standards 12-03 and 33 are mentioned, and the article notes that the 1994 model fails to meet the second one. It goes on to say that when new regulations are approved in October of the same year, the new model probably will not pass them, either. So to say that ' the car met old UECE car safety standards but would not pass more modern safety regulations of the 2000s' is just misleading.-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 10:25, 21 December 2017 (UTC)