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I'll put folklore and fables here for now, until it is decided if they go on this page or a new page is needed:
Yob Mod 13:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender myths from the Arapaho to the Zuñi By Jim Elledge.
Sakhiyani: Lesbian Desire in Ancient and Modern India by Thadani by Giti.
The Man Who Was a Woman and Other Queer Tales from Hindu Lore by Devdutt Pattanaik.
Oceanic homosexualities by Stephen O. Murray & Arnold R. Pilling
Cassell is a bit of an embarrassment. The book's premise seems to be "anything that has the remotest hint of same-sex relationships will be declared a Queer myth, regardless of context, the culture the story comes from or anything remotely resembling citations." The lack of academic research alone should be grounds to remove it from the bibliography section here; but what really disappoints me is, there being so few encyclopedias on GLBT mythology, Cassell makes it sound like GLBT researchers don't even know their own history, let alone the histories of those around us, which is always problematic when trying to get other people to take you seriously. Duende-Poetry ( talk) 01:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Addaura cave drawings
Kolhamana, spririt of the Zuni. Kokopelli Mana, spirit of the Hopi. Koyemshi, sacred of the Zuni. Koskalaki, lesbians, decendents of Wiya Nupa.
Kukumatz, supreme being of the Quiche Maya.
Kombobos, friend of King of Syria who castates himself and wears womens clothing to prove his loyalty. Kulu'u, priests of Ishtar. Kurgarru, priests of Ishtar. Kumarbi, Hurrian war god that bit off Anu's penis and became pregant. Adonis, = Tammuz
Quabbalah, inc the spririt A'anon'nin, belief in bi-gendered God Abraham, having a bosom, patriachal appropriation of female power via transgenderism Adam, Gnostic mae aspect of androgynous god, along with Isis/Demeter Naassenes, a Gnostic diety Gnostic lesbian spells, invoking Adonai or Abraxas
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I was puzzled by the inclusion of template:Sex in SF mini. This template does not cover any topics of mythology as far as I can see and seems off-topic. Does anyone have a rationale for keeping it or should I go ahead and remove it? — Teahot ( talk) 09:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
About Ardhanari, LGBT connotations is a well-known theory, but "such as in the story of Ganesha's conception, which in some versions is the result of a lesbian encounter between the Parvati and her handmaiden Malini". this seems to be a
WP:FRINGE theory, the most popular story of
Ganesha's conception is that Parvati created a statue of dirt during her bath - the statue was given life and placed him as her guardian. Her husband Shiva mistook him as an intruder and cut his head, which was later replaced by an elephant head. Other versions speak of explicit union of the couple or Shiva producing Ganesha from his laughter. The book Gaṇeśa By Yuvraj Krishan p.41, speaks the Malini legend from a 13th century Kashmiri text: where the dirt statue along with the bath water follows into the holy river
Ganges and is drunk by the elephant-headed goddess Malini and Ganesha is born to her, but Parvati is declared his mother. This is Not technically a "lesbian encounter", but an interpretation. The well-known tales of
Shikhandi and
Arjuna as Vrihannada from Mahabharata not covered. "Although married to the goddess Svāhā, in the Mahabharata and Saura Purana Agni asks Shiva to ejaculate into his hands so he can drink his semen." Both the Purana and Mahabharata, speak explicitly of the union of Shiva and Parvati (fact hidden) and resultant semen is transported by Agni to the care-taker mothers of
Kartikkeya (Skanda), so he is hidden from the demon that will kill later. Possibly another mis-interpretation. --
Redtigerxyz
Talk
13:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
(The Purana translation i read was "Agni said, 'release your seed, the heavenly soma, into my hands, and let the Gods drink it immediately.'...Shiva released his perfect seed....Agni took it into his hands and drank it, rejoicing, thinking 'Elixir!'". If it doesn't have a sexual connetation in mainstream Hindu beliefs, it is easy to see how some commentators consider it to have one. Is this text not in the mainstream version of the orginal at all, or is it interpreted differently? Your expertise would be very welcome, as i am limited to English commentaries. Yob Mod 15:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) Easy solution: Why are non-unanimous theories like Courtright centred on non-mainstream legends like Malini, been included, when there are enough mainstream, non-disputed legends available?
I have see few issues with the text in this section:
-- Nvineeth ( talk) 06:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I find it highly disturbing that we seem have numerous WP:SYNTHy articles on "LGBT and mytology", while a discussion of Gender and mythology more generally is absent.
"LGBT" is a 1990s neologism, used as the self-designation of an US subculture. "LGBT" cannot be used as a neutral or encyclopedic term in Wikipedia's voice. When we say "LGBT", we are always taking the "LGBT studies" viewpoint. There is nothing wrong with that, but it needs to be made clear that this is the case. "Gender" otoh is an established term that can well be used in Wikipedia's voice, and it is also a term of a wider scope that subsumes "LGBT". I therefore strongly recommend that we widen the scope of all "LGBT in mythology" to "Gender in mythology". This will enable us to cite academic sources dedicated to the article topic, avoiding WP:SYNTH.
For example, listing deities with ambiguous gender as "LGBT" is pure original synthesis. This is a very common topos in mythology and does not necessarily have anything to do with "LGBT" just because "T" means "Transgender". Deities with ambiguous or changing gender are very much an encyclopedic topics, but we need to discuss them based on WP:RS, sources published by actual academics speciaizing in mythology, not spurious "Queer reader in mythology" type publications. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. But my impression is that these series of articles are abusing WP as exactly that, namely for establishing a field of "LGBT mythography" that doesn't seem to be in existene anywhere else. -- dab (𒁳) 15:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I think this article should be split into two articles: Homosexual themes in mythology and Transgender themes in mythology (or some variation of "transgender"). The two are distinct phenomena. Most examples and sources in the article make no connection between them. As it is, the article is incongruent. Take, for example, the tacking on of Hermaphroditus at the end of a substantial list of masculine loveships. Hermaphroditus is completely disconnected and forced onto the list. Unifying classical homosexuality and hermaphroditism appears to be original research, besides. Conflating the concepts of homosexuality and transgenderism has no obvious advantange here. And Wikipedia seems the less with no separate "Homosexuality in mythology" article. 75.132.168.114 ( talk) 23:39, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Under European mythology, subsection Celtic and Welsh, a claim is made that in Cecile O'Rahilly's translation of the Cattle Raid of Cooley "Cúchulainn defeats Ferdiadh by piercing his anus with his "mysterious weapon" Gáe Bulg.[36][37][38]", implying that Cúchulainn defeated his opponent by sexually assaulting him. The original text, however, and the translation(s) cited, do not in any way suggest this.
For one, the Gáe Bulg is described as a martial feat, taught to Cúchullain by his master, Scathach; Ferdiad did not possess this feat. So if "mysterious weapon" means what I think the author of this edit means, Ferdiad has no penis....
"Cú Chulainn possessed no feat that Fer Diad had not, except only the feat of the gáe bulga. " Cecile O'Rahilly Táin Bó Cúalnge Recension 1 ( http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T301012/index.html) i The references cited by the editor, O'Rahilly's two recensions and Nora Chadwick's The Celts, make no suggestion that the murder of Ferdia was a sexual act, and in no way support the editor's implication. -- 82.16.70.157 ( talk) 23:00, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I think this article has a problem with neutrality. It seems to have a gay-positive, anti-Christian tone, and there are places where the editor(s) sounds disappointed not to find LGBT parallels in some cultural mythologies. While my own views are in sync with this perspective, I think an encyclopedia article needs more detachment, it should describe what is and what was, not what we wish things were like, what we wished was present.
I also think it is interpretive of the editor to imply any hostility present, anywhere is due to Christian influences. Not doubt, there are strains of LGBT hostility in some Christian churches, it is actually an Old Testament stance, not a New Testament position. It appears to this reader that Christianity is being postulated as the cause for the absence of something that would otherwise exist. Even for an experienced historian, this is a causal link that is impossible to substantiate.
In general, this is a very well-done and an extensive article. But if it's tone could more detached, I think it would be a big improvement to the page. The editor(s) should have no stake in whether there are or aren't LGBT themes in a particular mythology and shouldn't be pleased to find ones they like and disappointed not to find ones where they are expected to be. Newjerseyliz ( talk) 18:58, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of LGBT themes in mythology's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "thehindu.com":
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I think the Nerites page should be linked to the Greek section of this page. His myth involves his and Poseidon's mutual love creating Anteros. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.60.164.23 ( talk) 23:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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This article smacks of LGBTQA± propaganda None of the Mythological figures mentioned wear tight speedos nor don the rainbow flag — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.244.71 ( talk) 20:15, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
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I have not read all of Penczak's books but I have read the section about Tlazoteotl. The description reads "she is mother and protector of the huastecs, trans- gendered, lesbian priestess." Never mind that the grammar is wrong; the huastecs are a people and Tlazoteotl is one of their gods, they are not transgendered priestesses. I think this outrageous mistake shows that Penczak is an unreliable source and shouldn't be used as a reliable source in this article or any other. Witchcraft is already a fringe topic, but let's not taint mythology and archaeology with this unresearched nonsense. Sadly, Penczak's facts have already made their way from Wikipedia to two other books, making this yet another case of citogenesis and, in the future, might cause a citation loop (badly-researched book to Wikipedia to different badly-researched book to Wikipedia), especially now that at least three "reliable sources" tout this information. Bright☀ 15:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of LGBT themes in mythology's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "aswangproject.com":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
I've made this into a new section, since it was under Oceania but has stories from all over the world. There are no citations at all though. I don't know enough to add them. Some, like the claim that the Amazons have been proven to exist and were ruled by two queens, seems pretty dubious though. Mcc1789 ( talk) 22:53, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
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I'll put folklore and fables here for now, until it is decided if they go on this page or a new page is needed:
Yob Mod 13:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender myths from the Arapaho to the Zuñi By Jim Elledge.
Sakhiyani: Lesbian Desire in Ancient and Modern India by Thadani by Giti.
The Man Who Was a Woman and Other Queer Tales from Hindu Lore by Devdutt Pattanaik.
Oceanic homosexualities by Stephen O. Murray & Arnold R. Pilling
Cassell is a bit of an embarrassment. The book's premise seems to be "anything that has the remotest hint of same-sex relationships will be declared a Queer myth, regardless of context, the culture the story comes from or anything remotely resembling citations." The lack of academic research alone should be grounds to remove it from the bibliography section here; but what really disappoints me is, there being so few encyclopedias on GLBT mythology, Cassell makes it sound like GLBT researchers don't even know their own history, let alone the histories of those around us, which is always problematic when trying to get other people to take you seriously. Duende-Poetry ( talk) 01:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Addaura cave drawings
Kolhamana, spririt of the Zuni. Kokopelli Mana, spirit of the Hopi. Koyemshi, sacred of the Zuni. Koskalaki, lesbians, decendents of Wiya Nupa.
Kukumatz, supreme being of the Quiche Maya.
Kombobos, friend of King of Syria who castates himself and wears womens clothing to prove his loyalty. Kulu'u, priests of Ishtar. Kurgarru, priests of Ishtar. Kumarbi, Hurrian war god that bit off Anu's penis and became pregant. Adonis, = Tammuz
Quabbalah, inc the spririt A'anon'nin, belief in bi-gendered God Abraham, having a bosom, patriachal appropriation of female power via transgenderism Adam, Gnostic mae aspect of androgynous god, along with Isis/Demeter Naassenes, a Gnostic diety Gnostic lesbian spells, invoking Adonai or Abraxas
Part of a series on |
LGBT themes in mythology |
---|
I was puzzled by the inclusion of template:Sex in SF mini. This template does not cover any topics of mythology as far as I can see and seems off-topic. Does anyone have a rationale for keeping it or should I go ahead and remove it? — Teahot ( talk) 09:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
About Ardhanari, LGBT connotations is a well-known theory, but "such as in the story of Ganesha's conception, which in some versions is the result of a lesbian encounter between the Parvati and her handmaiden Malini". this seems to be a
WP:FRINGE theory, the most popular story of
Ganesha's conception is that Parvati created a statue of dirt during her bath - the statue was given life and placed him as her guardian. Her husband Shiva mistook him as an intruder and cut his head, which was later replaced by an elephant head. Other versions speak of explicit union of the couple or Shiva producing Ganesha from his laughter. The book Gaṇeśa By Yuvraj Krishan p.41, speaks the Malini legend from a 13th century Kashmiri text: where the dirt statue along with the bath water follows into the holy river
Ganges and is drunk by the elephant-headed goddess Malini and Ganesha is born to her, but Parvati is declared his mother. This is Not technically a "lesbian encounter", but an interpretation. The well-known tales of
Shikhandi and
Arjuna as Vrihannada from Mahabharata not covered. "Although married to the goddess Svāhā, in the Mahabharata and Saura Purana Agni asks Shiva to ejaculate into his hands so he can drink his semen." Both the Purana and Mahabharata, speak explicitly of the union of Shiva and Parvati (fact hidden) and resultant semen is transported by Agni to the care-taker mothers of
Kartikkeya (Skanda), so he is hidden from the demon that will kill later. Possibly another mis-interpretation. --
Redtigerxyz
Talk
13:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
(The Purana translation i read was "Agni said, 'release your seed, the heavenly soma, into my hands, and let the Gods drink it immediately.'...Shiva released his perfect seed....Agni took it into his hands and drank it, rejoicing, thinking 'Elixir!'". If it doesn't have a sexual connetation in mainstream Hindu beliefs, it is easy to see how some commentators consider it to have one. Is this text not in the mainstream version of the orginal at all, or is it interpreted differently? Your expertise would be very welcome, as i am limited to English commentaries. Yob Mod 15:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
(unindent) Easy solution: Why are non-unanimous theories like Courtright centred on non-mainstream legends like Malini, been included, when there are enough mainstream, non-disputed legends available?
I have see few issues with the text in this section:
-- Nvineeth ( talk) 06:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I find it highly disturbing that we seem have numerous WP:SYNTHy articles on "LGBT and mytology", while a discussion of Gender and mythology more generally is absent.
"LGBT" is a 1990s neologism, used as the self-designation of an US subculture. "LGBT" cannot be used as a neutral or encyclopedic term in Wikipedia's voice. When we say "LGBT", we are always taking the "LGBT studies" viewpoint. There is nothing wrong with that, but it needs to be made clear that this is the case. "Gender" otoh is an established term that can well be used in Wikipedia's voice, and it is also a term of a wider scope that subsumes "LGBT". I therefore strongly recommend that we widen the scope of all "LGBT in mythology" to "Gender in mythology". This will enable us to cite academic sources dedicated to the article topic, avoiding WP:SYNTH.
For example, listing deities with ambiguous gender as "LGBT" is pure original synthesis. This is a very common topos in mythology and does not necessarily have anything to do with "LGBT" just because "T" means "Transgender". Deities with ambiguous or changing gender are very much an encyclopedic topics, but we need to discuss them based on WP:RS, sources published by actual academics speciaizing in mythology, not spurious "Queer reader in mythology" type publications. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. But my impression is that these series of articles are abusing WP as exactly that, namely for establishing a field of "LGBT mythography" that doesn't seem to be in existene anywhere else. -- dab (𒁳) 15:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I think this article should be split into two articles: Homosexual themes in mythology and Transgender themes in mythology (or some variation of "transgender"). The two are distinct phenomena. Most examples and sources in the article make no connection between them. As it is, the article is incongruent. Take, for example, the tacking on of Hermaphroditus at the end of a substantial list of masculine loveships. Hermaphroditus is completely disconnected and forced onto the list. Unifying classical homosexuality and hermaphroditism appears to be original research, besides. Conflating the concepts of homosexuality and transgenderism has no obvious advantange here. And Wikipedia seems the less with no separate "Homosexuality in mythology" article. 75.132.168.114 ( talk) 23:39, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Under European mythology, subsection Celtic and Welsh, a claim is made that in Cecile O'Rahilly's translation of the Cattle Raid of Cooley "Cúchulainn defeats Ferdiadh by piercing his anus with his "mysterious weapon" Gáe Bulg.[36][37][38]", implying that Cúchulainn defeated his opponent by sexually assaulting him. The original text, however, and the translation(s) cited, do not in any way suggest this.
For one, the Gáe Bulg is described as a martial feat, taught to Cúchullain by his master, Scathach; Ferdiad did not possess this feat. So if "mysterious weapon" means what I think the author of this edit means, Ferdiad has no penis....
"Cú Chulainn possessed no feat that Fer Diad had not, except only the feat of the gáe bulga. " Cecile O'Rahilly Táin Bó Cúalnge Recension 1 ( http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T301012/index.html) i The references cited by the editor, O'Rahilly's two recensions and Nora Chadwick's The Celts, make no suggestion that the murder of Ferdia was a sexual act, and in no way support the editor's implication. -- 82.16.70.157 ( talk) 23:00, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I think this article has a problem with neutrality. It seems to have a gay-positive, anti-Christian tone, and there are places where the editor(s) sounds disappointed not to find LGBT parallels in some cultural mythologies. While my own views are in sync with this perspective, I think an encyclopedia article needs more detachment, it should describe what is and what was, not what we wish things were like, what we wished was present.
I also think it is interpretive of the editor to imply any hostility present, anywhere is due to Christian influences. Not doubt, there are strains of LGBT hostility in some Christian churches, it is actually an Old Testament stance, not a New Testament position. It appears to this reader that Christianity is being postulated as the cause for the absence of something that would otherwise exist. Even for an experienced historian, this is a causal link that is impossible to substantiate.
In general, this is a very well-done and an extensive article. But if it's tone could more detached, I think it would be a big improvement to the page. The editor(s) should have no stake in whether there are or aren't LGBT themes in a particular mythology and shouldn't be pleased to find ones they like and disappointed not to find ones where they are expected to be. Newjerseyliz ( talk) 18:58, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of LGBT themes in mythology's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "thehindu.com":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
I think the Nerites page should be linked to the Greek section of this page. His myth involves his and Poseidon's mutual love creating Anteros. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.60.164.23 ( talk) 23:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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This article smacks of LGBTQA± propaganda None of the Mythological figures mentioned wear tight speedos nor don the rainbow flag — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.244.71 ( talk) 20:15, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
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I have not read all of Penczak's books but I have read the section about Tlazoteotl. The description reads "she is mother and protector of the huastecs, trans- gendered, lesbian priestess." Never mind that the grammar is wrong; the huastecs are a people and Tlazoteotl is one of their gods, they are not transgendered priestesses. I think this outrageous mistake shows that Penczak is an unreliable source and shouldn't be used as a reliable source in this article or any other. Witchcraft is already a fringe topic, but let's not taint mythology and archaeology with this unresearched nonsense. Sadly, Penczak's facts have already made their way from Wikipedia to two other books, making this yet another case of citogenesis and, in the future, might cause a citation loop (badly-researched book to Wikipedia to different badly-researched book to Wikipedia), especially now that at least three "reliable sources" tout this information. Bright☀ 15:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of LGBT themes in mythology's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "aswangproject.com":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
I've made this into a new section, since it was under Oceania but has stories from all over the world. There are no citations at all though. I don't know enough to add them. Some, like the claim that the Amazons have been proven to exist and were ruled by two queens, seems pretty dubious though. Mcc1789 ( talk) 22:53, 6 August 2020 (UTC)