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On one hand, there is no official prohibition for gay people to serve in the military (I also added a citation by Valery Kulikov, the Major-General of the Medical Service, who confirmed it). On the other hand, military authorities recomment gay people to hide their sexual orientation:
“ | People of non-standard sexual orientation can have problems when being in the Army, and therefore should not reveal there their sexual preferences, Valery Kulikov said. “Other soldiers are not going to like that, they can be beaten.” | ” |
— Gays are not Willingly Accepted in the Russian Army, Pravda Online |
So, some questions arise:
These are important questions, because the answers also can and should be used to edit other articles (with tables and lists, like LGBT rights and LGBT rights in Europe — both currently state that gays are allowed to serve openly in Russian military).
-- K!r!lleXXI ( talk) 16:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
It seems that someone tried to put content about homosexuality (and same-sex intercourse) being illegal onto this page. Perhaps it should be restricted, so that vandalism is more difficult? Nuke ( talk) 17:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Many homophobes in Africa are also translating this is the case too and I remind them being gay at least in private isn't yet a crime though it could change Nlivataye ( talk) 10:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Do we still need the list of regions, maps, etc of the regions bunning it locally? Alex Bakharev ( talk) 03:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
It previously said: "Russian laws have sparked a major controversy around the world, leading to an argument over the word propaganda, since homosexuality cannot be taught."
I removed everything after the first comma. It's basically true but not worded in the way it should be. Any talk or materials in favor of any political issue is propaganda, by definition, but that's really a neutral thing, and not what needs to be said here. Someone more skilled than I needs to tackle this if more detail is warranted. 108.16.222.138 ( talk) 00:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
I think this article contains misinformation:
1. There is no ban on homosexual propaganda in the Russian Federation.
2. There is a law banning promotion to minors of homosexual relations.
3. This law was signed by the President on 30 June 2013, not 11 June 2013.
Source: http://eng.kremlin.ru/by-keyword/85
--Hors-la-loi 07:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
There is a push by numerous IPs for a sentence in the section lead to look like: The laws were at the same time heavily support and heavily criticized and the gay community commenced a boycott of Russian goods.... Firstly, it is a bad grammar but more importantly it is not supported by the section text that shows numerous examples of international criticism but no examples of international support. I guess if the law was "heavily supported" than it would be easy to find examples of international support. Without those examples the lead with "heavily support" does not make sense. Alex Bakharev ( talk) 08:01, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
What is everyone else's thought about splitting out recent events into a new article - the 2013 ban on "homosexual propaganda" and the consequent protests, international comments, etc.? Similar to eg. Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill as a separate article from LGBT rights in Uganda. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 01:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Paragraph three of the introduction has some problems. I tried to fix these but they were reverted back.
Roy X. Bland ( talk) 21:13, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Article should mention that leaders of several foreign governments have taken the unusual step of announcing they will not be attending the Winter Olympics games in Russia, and that commentators say a major reason for this is the leaders's opposition to the Russian government's treatment of LGBT people and other human rights issues. 95.141.27.43 ( talk) 20:34, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Article should discuss efforts proposed by some Russian leaders to take children of same-sex parents away from their parents. Also, the law banning adoption of Russian children by citizens of countries that allow same-sex marriage (even if the foreigners who want to adopt Russian children are not LGBT). 95.141.27.43 ( talk) 20:40, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I see this all over mass media and, surprisingly, here too. The law (primary source) LITERALLY says the following:
Law On Amendments to Article 5 of the Federal Law On Protecting Children from Information Harmful to their Health and Development and to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation with the Aim of Protecting Children from Information that Promotes Negation of Traditional Family Values. ( http://eng.kremlin.ru/by-keyword/85 )
Therefore I changed the title Bans on "homosexual propaganda" to Bans on "homosexual propaganda to minors"
However, Sportfan5000 reverted it claiming it is vague.
I re-applied my "to minors" addition again, because it's a FACT (proven by primary source), since the law LITERALLY has the word "children" twice in its name.
Kornerr ( talk) 06:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC) Michael
Original version: "27 Nobel laureates join Sir Ian McKellen to protest over Russia's gay ‘propaganda’ ban"
Russian version: "27 Nobel Prize winners in various fields have asked Russian President Vladimir Putin to repeal the law banning promotion of homosexuality among minors"
Perhaps you're not seeing the sub-section further down that is also contained in the same section - LGBT rights in Russia#International reactions and boycott. Sportfan5000 ( talk) 15:04, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The term "anti-gay law" and "gay propaganda" has been used in multiple articles to refer to the Russian ban on the promotion of "non-traditional sexual relations" to minors, only because it has been commonly used by sources. It has been pointed out that the term may be inaccurate or loaded, as it is inferred that the law covers LGBT relations and not just homosexuality, and our choice of wording may also infer a complete ban on homosexuality or similar, mis-representing the actual "intent" of the law. It has been suggested that different and more neutral terms be used (such as those using the term "LGBT" or "non-traditional" sexual relations) in the articles, with exact wording depending on how it is referenced. ViperSnake151 Talk 19:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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This article is ridicolously one sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.57.129 ( talk) 06:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
In the section "Homophobia in Russia", the sentence "Public opinion in Russia tends to be among the most hostile toward homosexuality in the world—outside predominantly Muslim countries and some parts of Africa and Asia—and the level of intolerance has been rising." appears not to be backed by the source given at all. Additionally, it is highly misleading. Based on the numbers given in the various sources, it seems that hostility toward homosexuality is slightly lower than average in Russia, and pretty much the only countries less hostile are those in the West, along with Israel, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and South Africa, and China by a slight margin according to some sources, and the Philippines according to some sources. The rest of Africa, the Muslim countries in Asia (minus Lebanon), India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Albania and Burma (combined population approximately 3.6 billion) are more hostile. -- Yair rand ( talk) 07:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
India isn't hostile than Russia currently on a long shot or Albania and I would dare say Indonesia now Nlivataye ( talk) 15:22, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
@ 92.16.59.242: removed the 'hate' from hate crime and thriving from LGBT community. See diff. The removal of hate was on the grounds of 'hate crime' not being recognized under Russian law. However, this is irrelevant to the description of the crime, which is a Hate crime. Thriving is deemed POV. I disagree on both counts. Jonpatterns ( talk) 18:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
English-language press report that Krasovsky was fired from his position as anchor for Kontr TV. Krasovsky said in an interview with CNN that was broadcast 13 August 2013 that he had been fired:
ANDERSON: And tell me exactly what happened.
KRASOVSKY: After that, I was fired. Right then, right that night, I was fired by (inaudible).
ANDERSON: And any evidence of what you did was entirely deleted from the internet, apparently, right? Am I correct in saying that? As if it had never happened.
KRASOVSKY: Sure. Of course. Of course.
ANDERSON: Who did that, do you think? Was that a Kremlin direction?
KRASOVSKY: Yes, perhaps. Maybe.
The snob.ru article from 6 February 2013 that is being cited to support the claim that Krasovsky resigned ( English version here) does not actually show Krasovsky saying that he resigned. What it says is:
Krasovsky: Then they immediately blocked all my corporative accounts, my email. Literally immediately, overnight. They deleted not only my face from the website, but also all of my TV shows, as if I’d never really existed. The next day I wrote to Minaev that I was totally shocked. Because it takes them half a day to put up a banner when I ask them to, and here we had such efficiency. One could say they can when they want to. Now they’ve put everything back, but you couldn’t say why, really.
Sokolova: Did Sergey Minaev call you?
Krasovsky: No, he didn’t call me. Nobody called me. It was a romance of one short text from the company’s CEO, Sergey Komarov. I am sure that this was the text message not from Komarov, but from Minaev himself. Its meaning was I could come and pack my things on Monday. After that, on Sunday, when all of us had calmed down, sobered up and understood that someone had to do the work, we started to think how to keep a straight face, as if nothing had happened, an how to preserve a status quo. But I didn’t want to preserve anything. I was offered something that I simply could not accept.
A Russian-language publication (
Lenta.ru) in a different February 2013
article said that the TV company CEO, Sergey Komarov, said that Krasovsky had resigned. Komarov said that he had evidence to prove this: he posted a screencap of what he claimed was a tweet or message from Krasovsky that supposedly said Krasovsky could no longer work for such a company.
The tweet and screencap seem to be at [1]
There are issues of WP:BLP and WP:NPOV involved in how Wikipedia discusses this.
Can someone who speaks Russian translate the messages from Komarov's tweet and screencap? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.141.27.46 ( talk) 03:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
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In the celebrity section, please add:
As this is less than 1,000 years old and relates to sexuality, it may infringe an ARBCOM restriction in force against my edits.
Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 10:26, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
In Russia, a woman just legally married a woman despite the nation's anti-gay laws. They found a legal loophole in the law (pardon my redundancy). One bride is transitioning from male to female and she is still marked as male on her documents. Both women wore bridal dresses. This is definitely a same-gender wedding, whether the sex is the same or not, and is worthy to include in the article somewhere.
Note that if this is put in the article it may in the future the article may need to be revised again because their marriage may be disregarded by the government because various officials are pretty frustrated about it.
For more info on this, see http://jezebel.com/lesbian-couple-pulls-of-first-gay-marriage-in-russia-1656610125 http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/two-women-marry-russia-despite-countrys-anti-gay-laws 98.253.175.243 ( talk) 02:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 98.253.175.243 ( talk) 02:02, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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"A 2013 survey found that 84% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society"
The figure should be 74%, no? -- IvanP ( talk) 06:27, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Actually, Recently 80% of Russians Opposes Same-Sex Marriage. while 8% Percent Supports.
Good News is that Homophobia is Slowly Declining/Dying out in Russia. :)
Women, Younger People, Non-Religious and residents of Moscow and St.Petersburg are more likley to Support Gay Marriage and LGBT Rights.:)
http://www.wciom.com/index.php?id=61&uid=1129
it's no Longer 85% Opposes and 5% Pro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.84.136 ( talk) 19:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Right now I'm afraid even Saudi is perhaps more tolerant than Russia lol Nlivataye ( talk) 13:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Right now I'm afraid even Saudi is perhaps more tolerant than Russia lol Nlivataye ( talk) 13:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Homophobia Begins at Home: Lesbian and Bisexual Women's Experiences of the Parental Household in Urban Russia F., Stella. "Homophobia Begins at Home: Lesbian and Bisexual Women's Experiences of the Parental Household in Urban Russia". Kul'tura.
Discrimination Against LGBT People Triggers Health Concerns
Clark, Fiona. "Discrimination Against LGBT People Triggers Health Concerns". The Lancet Journal.
Russia's Anti-Gay Laws: The Politics and Consequences of a Moral Panic Cai, Wilkinson, (2013-06-23). "Russia's anti-gay laws: the politics and consequences of a moral panic". Disorder of things.
Teaching Queer Theory in Russia Kondakov, Alexander (2016-01-01). "Teaching Queer Theory in Russia". QED: A Journal in GLBTQ Worldmaking. 3 (2): 107–118. ISSN 2327-1590
LGBTQ Oppression and Activism in Russia Feyh, Kathleen E.; Iasine, Igor (2015-01-01). "LGBTQ Oppression and Activism in Russia: An Interview with Igor Iasine". QED: A Journal in GLBTQ Worldmaking. 2 (1): 100–108. ISSN 2327-1590 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briana sexeth ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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Did Stalin and Lenin persecute the gays, lesbians and LGBT under their power since Bolshevik's uprising for communist Soviet Union in the early 20th century? 124.106.137.103 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:28, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Lenin decriminalized it as soon as he became premier in 1924 and it was criminalized under Stalin in 1933 ironically the same year the Fuhrer in Germany came to power so it doesn't take brainers to say Stalin persecuted Gays and Lenin didn't who was more progressive Nlivataye ( talk) 13:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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https://pikabu.ru/story/sud_novosibirska_priznal_nezakonnyim_otkaz_v_trudoustroystve_izza_gomoseksualnosti_4396756 94.251.55.42 ( talk) 14:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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The cited link following this statement does not address it in any way that I saw, and even if it had, it’s 5-6 year old article, hardly anything recent, especially for something as ‘volatile’ as this can be. But I saw no reference to any polling indicating a majority mindset…
To be clear I’m Not disputing if it’s true or not, just simply stating that it has no source to support or deny it. Ramahamalincoln ( talk) 12:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of LGBT rights in Russia's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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A lot of the sources for these claims are straight up mouthpieces for the US government. Pretty sure they can't be trusted to be a neutral source. Idontknowanythingok ( talk) 18:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
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On November 30th, 2023 the supreme court of Russia labeled LGBT “an extremist movement” and prohibited it in Russia. According to the Russian law, being part of an extremist organization is punished by imprisonment for up to 10 years. Axey ble ( talk) 08:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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On one hand, there is no official prohibition for gay people to serve in the military (I also added a citation by Valery Kulikov, the Major-General of the Medical Service, who confirmed it). On the other hand, military authorities recomment gay people to hide their sexual orientation:
“ | People of non-standard sexual orientation can have problems when being in the Army, and therefore should not reveal there their sexual preferences, Valery Kulikov said. “Other soldiers are not going to like that, they can be beaten.” | ” |
— Gays are not Willingly Accepted in the Russian Army, Pravda Online |
So, some questions arise:
These are important questions, because the answers also can and should be used to edit other articles (with tables and lists, like LGBT rights and LGBT rights in Europe — both currently state that gays are allowed to serve openly in Russian military).
-- K!r!lleXXI ( talk) 16:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
It seems that someone tried to put content about homosexuality (and same-sex intercourse) being illegal onto this page. Perhaps it should be restricted, so that vandalism is more difficult? Nuke ( talk) 17:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Many homophobes in Africa are also translating this is the case too and I remind them being gay at least in private isn't yet a crime though it could change Nlivataye ( talk) 10:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Do we still need the list of regions, maps, etc of the regions bunning it locally? Alex Bakharev ( talk) 03:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
It previously said: "Russian laws have sparked a major controversy around the world, leading to an argument over the word propaganda, since homosexuality cannot be taught."
I removed everything after the first comma. It's basically true but not worded in the way it should be. Any talk or materials in favor of any political issue is propaganda, by definition, but that's really a neutral thing, and not what needs to be said here. Someone more skilled than I needs to tackle this if more detail is warranted. 108.16.222.138 ( talk) 00:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
I think this article contains misinformation:
1. There is no ban on homosexual propaganda in the Russian Federation.
2. There is a law banning promotion to minors of homosexual relations.
3. This law was signed by the President on 30 June 2013, not 11 June 2013.
Source: http://eng.kremlin.ru/by-keyword/85
--Hors-la-loi 07:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
There is a push by numerous IPs for a sentence in the section lead to look like: The laws were at the same time heavily support and heavily criticized and the gay community commenced a boycott of Russian goods.... Firstly, it is a bad grammar but more importantly it is not supported by the section text that shows numerous examples of international criticism but no examples of international support. I guess if the law was "heavily supported" than it would be easy to find examples of international support. Without those examples the lead with "heavily support" does not make sense. Alex Bakharev ( talk) 08:01, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
What is everyone else's thought about splitting out recent events into a new article - the 2013 ban on "homosexual propaganda" and the consequent protests, international comments, etc.? Similar to eg. Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill as a separate article from LGBT rights in Uganda. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 01:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Paragraph three of the introduction has some problems. I tried to fix these but they were reverted back.
Roy X. Bland ( talk) 21:13, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Article should mention that leaders of several foreign governments have taken the unusual step of announcing they will not be attending the Winter Olympics games in Russia, and that commentators say a major reason for this is the leaders's opposition to the Russian government's treatment of LGBT people and other human rights issues. 95.141.27.43 ( talk) 20:34, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Article should discuss efforts proposed by some Russian leaders to take children of same-sex parents away from their parents. Also, the law banning adoption of Russian children by citizens of countries that allow same-sex marriage (even if the foreigners who want to adopt Russian children are not LGBT). 95.141.27.43 ( talk) 20:40, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I see this all over mass media and, surprisingly, here too. The law (primary source) LITERALLY says the following:
Law On Amendments to Article 5 of the Federal Law On Protecting Children from Information Harmful to their Health and Development and to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation with the Aim of Protecting Children from Information that Promotes Negation of Traditional Family Values. ( http://eng.kremlin.ru/by-keyword/85 )
Therefore I changed the title Bans on "homosexual propaganda" to Bans on "homosexual propaganda to minors"
However, Sportfan5000 reverted it claiming it is vague.
I re-applied my "to minors" addition again, because it's a FACT (proven by primary source), since the law LITERALLY has the word "children" twice in its name.
Kornerr ( talk) 06:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC) Michael
Original version: "27 Nobel laureates join Sir Ian McKellen to protest over Russia's gay ‘propaganda’ ban"
Russian version: "27 Nobel Prize winners in various fields have asked Russian President Vladimir Putin to repeal the law banning promotion of homosexuality among minors"
Perhaps you're not seeing the sub-section further down that is also contained in the same section - LGBT rights in Russia#International reactions and boycott. Sportfan5000 ( talk) 15:04, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The term "anti-gay law" and "gay propaganda" has been used in multiple articles to refer to the Russian ban on the promotion of "non-traditional sexual relations" to minors, only because it has been commonly used by sources. It has been pointed out that the term may be inaccurate or loaded, as it is inferred that the law covers LGBT relations and not just homosexuality, and our choice of wording may also infer a complete ban on homosexuality or similar, mis-representing the actual "intent" of the law. It has been suggested that different and more neutral terms be used (such as those using the term "LGBT" or "non-traditional" sexual relations) in the articles, with exact wording depending on how it is referenced. ViperSnake151 Talk 19:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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This article is ridicolously one sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.57.129 ( talk) 06:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
In the section "Homophobia in Russia", the sentence "Public opinion in Russia tends to be among the most hostile toward homosexuality in the world—outside predominantly Muslim countries and some parts of Africa and Asia—and the level of intolerance has been rising." appears not to be backed by the source given at all. Additionally, it is highly misleading. Based on the numbers given in the various sources, it seems that hostility toward homosexuality is slightly lower than average in Russia, and pretty much the only countries less hostile are those in the West, along with Israel, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and South Africa, and China by a slight margin according to some sources, and the Philippines according to some sources. The rest of Africa, the Muslim countries in Asia (minus Lebanon), India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Albania and Burma (combined population approximately 3.6 billion) are more hostile. -- Yair rand ( talk) 07:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
India isn't hostile than Russia currently on a long shot or Albania and I would dare say Indonesia now Nlivataye ( talk) 15:22, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
@ 92.16.59.242: removed the 'hate' from hate crime and thriving from LGBT community. See diff. The removal of hate was on the grounds of 'hate crime' not being recognized under Russian law. However, this is irrelevant to the description of the crime, which is a Hate crime. Thriving is deemed POV. I disagree on both counts. Jonpatterns ( talk) 18:42, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
English-language press report that Krasovsky was fired from his position as anchor for Kontr TV. Krasovsky said in an interview with CNN that was broadcast 13 August 2013 that he had been fired:
ANDERSON: And tell me exactly what happened.
KRASOVSKY: After that, I was fired. Right then, right that night, I was fired by (inaudible).
ANDERSON: And any evidence of what you did was entirely deleted from the internet, apparently, right? Am I correct in saying that? As if it had never happened.
KRASOVSKY: Sure. Of course. Of course.
ANDERSON: Who did that, do you think? Was that a Kremlin direction?
KRASOVSKY: Yes, perhaps. Maybe.
The snob.ru article from 6 February 2013 that is being cited to support the claim that Krasovsky resigned ( English version here) does not actually show Krasovsky saying that he resigned. What it says is:
Krasovsky: Then they immediately blocked all my corporative accounts, my email. Literally immediately, overnight. They deleted not only my face from the website, but also all of my TV shows, as if I’d never really existed. The next day I wrote to Minaev that I was totally shocked. Because it takes them half a day to put up a banner when I ask them to, and here we had such efficiency. One could say they can when they want to. Now they’ve put everything back, but you couldn’t say why, really.
Sokolova: Did Sergey Minaev call you?
Krasovsky: No, he didn’t call me. Nobody called me. It was a romance of one short text from the company’s CEO, Sergey Komarov. I am sure that this was the text message not from Komarov, but from Minaev himself. Its meaning was I could come and pack my things on Monday. After that, on Sunday, when all of us had calmed down, sobered up and understood that someone had to do the work, we started to think how to keep a straight face, as if nothing had happened, an how to preserve a status quo. But I didn’t want to preserve anything. I was offered something that I simply could not accept.
A Russian-language publication (
Lenta.ru) in a different February 2013
article said that the TV company CEO, Sergey Komarov, said that Krasovsky had resigned. Komarov said that he had evidence to prove this: he posted a screencap of what he claimed was a tweet or message from Krasovsky that supposedly said Krasovsky could no longer work for such a company.
The tweet and screencap seem to be at [1]
There are issues of WP:BLP and WP:NPOV involved in how Wikipedia discusses this.
Can someone who speaks Russian translate the messages from Komarov's tweet and screencap? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.141.27.46 ( talk) 03:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Doesn't really make sense to add a routine from a standup comedian. Wikipedia is not here to entertain. |
In the celebrity section, please add:
As this is less than 1,000 years old and relates to sexuality, it may infringe an ARBCOM restriction in force against my edits.
Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 10:26, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
In Russia, a woman just legally married a woman despite the nation's anti-gay laws. They found a legal loophole in the law (pardon my redundancy). One bride is transitioning from male to female and she is still marked as male on her documents. Both women wore bridal dresses. This is definitely a same-gender wedding, whether the sex is the same or not, and is worthy to include in the article somewhere.
Note that if this is put in the article it may in the future the article may need to be revised again because their marriage may be disregarded by the government because various officials are pretty frustrated about it.
For more info on this, see http://jezebel.com/lesbian-couple-pulls-of-first-gay-marriage-in-russia-1656610125 http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/two-women-marry-russia-despite-countrys-anti-gay-laws 98.253.175.243 ( talk) 02:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC) 98.253.175.243 ( talk) 02:02, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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"A 2013 survey found that 84% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society"
The figure should be 74%, no? -- IvanP ( talk) 06:27, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Actually, Recently 80% of Russians Opposes Same-Sex Marriage. while 8% Percent Supports.
Good News is that Homophobia is Slowly Declining/Dying out in Russia. :)
Women, Younger People, Non-Religious and residents of Moscow and St.Petersburg are more likley to Support Gay Marriage and LGBT Rights.:)
http://www.wciom.com/index.php?id=61&uid=1129
it's no Longer 85% Opposes and 5% Pro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.84.136 ( talk) 19:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Right now I'm afraid even Saudi is perhaps more tolerant than Russia lol Nlivataye ( talk) 13:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Right now I'm afraid even Saudi is perhaps more tolerant than Russia lol Nlivataye ( talk) 13:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
Homophobia Begins at Home: Lesbian and Bisexual Women's Experiences of the Parental Household in Urban Russia F., Stella. "Homophobia Begins at Home: Lesbian and Bisexual Women's Experiences of the Parental Household in Urban Russia". Kul'tura.
Discrimination Against LGBT People Triggers Health Concerns
Clark, Fiona. "Discrimination Against LGBT People Triggers Health Concerns". The Lancet Journal.
Russia's Anti-Gay Laws: The Politics and Consequences of a Moral Panic Cai, Wilkinson, (2013-06-23). "Russia's anti-gay laws: the politics and consequences of a moral panic". Disorder of things.
Teaching Queer Theory in Russia Kondakov, Alexander (2016-01-01). "Teaching Queer Theory in Russia". QED: A Journal in GLBTQ Worldmaking. 3 (2): 107–118. ISSN 2327-1590
LGBTQ Oppression and Activism in Russia Feyh, Kathleen E.; Iasine, Igor (2015-01-01). "LGBTQ Oppression and Activism in Russia: An Interview with Igor Iasine". QED: A Journal in GLBTQ Worldmaking. 2 (1): 100–108. ISSN 2327-1590 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briana sexeth ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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Did Stalin and Lenin persecute the gays, lesbians and LGBT under their power since Bolshevik's uprising for communist Soviet Union in the early 20th century? 124.106.137.103 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:28, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Lenin decriminalized it as soon as he became premier in 1924 and it was criminalized under Stalin in 1933 ironically the same year the Fuhrer in Germany came to power so it doesn't take brainers to say Stalin persecuted Gays and Lenin didn't who was more progressive Nlivataye ( talk) 13:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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https://pikabu.ru/story/sud_novosibirska_priznal_nezakonnyim_otkaz_v_trudoustroystve_izza_gomoseksualnosti_4396756 94.251.55.42 ( talk) 14:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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The cited link following this statement does not address it in any way that I saw, and even if it had, it’s 5-6 year old article, hardly anything recent, especially for something as ‘volatile’ as this can be. But I saw no reference to any polling indicating a majority mindset…
To be clear I’m Not disputing if it’s true or not, just simply stating that it has no source to support or deny it. Ramahamalincoln ( talk) 12:24, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of LGBT rights in Russia's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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A lot of the sources for these claims are straight up mouthpieces for the US government. Pretty sure they can't be trusted to be a neutral source. Idontknowanythingok ( talk) 18:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
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On November 30th, 2023 the supreme court of Russia labeled LGBT “an extremist movement” and prohibited it in Russia. According to the Russian law, being part of an extremist organization is punished by imprisonment for up to 10 years. Axey ble ( talk) 08:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)