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Why should a history of the character be the plot of the show? I think it should consist of:
...Like every other page on fictional characters. 94.159.192.137 ( talk) 03:30, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree. I will try to clean up the article, but it needs to through some major reorganization. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Finished. I combined a lot of the biography information with the plot category and placed it all under "Biography". The plot box is now just a redirect. This was obviously a major change. If anyone has any objections, please post them here so we can work on improving this article. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 20:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Why shouldnt an encyclopedic entry have a detailed account? KirtZJ ( talk) 15:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I have problem with the name of this article. Why Korra (The Legend of Korra)? I think there's no character, person, place or group with this name as Korra already redirects here. So I suggest changing the name. Keivan.f Talk 19:35, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
You don't have to like the finale, but Korra and Asami are canon. Aside from the visuals, if you want text, the musical hits during the finale sequence are from a track canonically called "The Avatar's Love" which was used previously in The Last Airbender finale with Aang and Katara. That is text. Solarbird ( talk) 21:40, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Instead of fighting the day after its airing, why don't you wait a couple of days for someone to actually interview the creators and ask them what they meant with the ending? And if the answers are among the lines "open to interpretation" well, then you can agree you're both right. At least add a topic talking about how some think Korra and Asami got together, enough people believe or debate it to get a freaking mention on the Wikipedia page right? (cause I pretty sure some Wikipedia entries or sub-heads are about theories)
There really shouldn't be a need for argument over this; if anything, when it comes to heterosexual romance, it seems to be no problem, but since it's two girls you need the creator's input? What kind of bullshit is that? Just enter the fact that Korra and Asami are in love. If anything, the parallels between the endings of both ATLA and LOK should serve as enough evidence for the idea that the two are engaged romantically and it's not just a friendship. Trust me, if it's that hard for people to accept non-hetero POC animated characters, and easy for them to accept hetero ones, then that states a lot about Wikipedia's bias. Wadanohara ( talk) 23:06, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I may be misunderstanding the requests for 'confirmation'. An encyclopedia which contains factual information should definitely contain citations, source material, links, etc. But that's not what Wikipedia does, or not ALL it does. And the subject under dicussion is not only a work of creative art, but fiction. As such it's absolutely open for interpretation. I can understand and accept differences of opinion, but IMO that dynamic should also be part of the record: an acknowledgement that things stated here are opinions and interpretations, none more valid than any other. That said, the objections to this relationship that I'm reading here have more than a whiff of heteronormativity; allowing at least the interpretation of possibility to stand would remove that. Editors, please consider the uses and impact of Wikipedia in the process of change. Adventuresnail ( talk) 23:18, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I agree, Stephen: room for interpretation should be included here. Also, who is the authority for the 'final' determination? Writers? producers? director(s)? actors? All of them are collaborators in creating the overall product; viewers are also part of that collaboration. I see no problem in leaving things open, as long as such places as Wikipedia acknowledge that there are many possibilities, and none are more valid than any other. 24.20.34.210 ( talk) 23:54, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Tutelary. I renew my question: what constitutes a 'source' that would provide a definitive answer? And since it is a work of fiction, in a visual medium that allows for interpretation, what is the value in saying yes or no, rather than referring to the differences of opinion? Wouldn't that be 'describing the dispute'? 24.20.34.210 ( talk) 00:54, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
The problem with editors like Rydic is that they take accusations of homophobia/heteronormativity personally and think "That can't POSSIBLY be me, I'm just following protocol." The problem is that when you live in a heteronormative society - and let's face it kids cartoons are at an absolute extreme of heteronormativity(which is an extremely destructive fact, but let's leave that for another day) - the Protocol we shape and how we abide by it are going to be influenced by that. When you have a bunch of Queer people telling Het people they're wrong about something Queer related - you should go with the Queer people. It's THEIR area of expertise and Wikipedia's general stance on this falls dangerously close to a fallacy of Appeal to Authority, where the Authority isn't the person who would actually have first hand experience of the subject at hand. We shouldn't be trusting heteronormative ideals of how to recognise queer romance when the *entire point* was to slip this episode past those who enforce such things. Users like Rhydic can be extremely smug about this - oh well sure if you had CONFIRMATION, etc., acting like they're doing this on behalf of some greater good, when they really aren't. Representation and listening to queer people is vastly more important than sticking to some set of guidelines that have caused incidents like this many a time on the past. When you have a society that is heteronormative, demanding certain sorts of sources is not going to be as reasonable. Basically, if the queer fanbase is overwhelmingly accepting this as a canon pairing, you should listen to them. Two people saying "I love you" or kissing is one particular cultural understanding of what it means to start a romantic or sexual relationship. It is not an absolute, so acting like it's a cold iron rule is ridiculous. What happened in the show looks like conformation to queer people - who have lived in their own subculture to some degree for centuries. We know what it looks like, we know how creators confirm these things in canon as much as they can get away with. A "totally not homophobic" Republican wikipedia editor does not. This is straight up erasure by appealing to a set of standards that reflect extreme heteronormativity in society. Don't complain about being called a bigot if you're going to consistently refuse to listen to queer people. Little Miss Desu ( talk) 03:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I agree with various comments throughout the Korra entries - the only 'fact' is that the ending (without further explanation/verification) is ambiguous. IMO, if we're being scrupulous about fact-based entries, this FACT should be included. I also think the importance of this discussion, and the underlying storytelling process, can't be overstated: this is part of the process of change that will someday render this very conversation obsolete. I think Wikipedia should be part of that process. Don't erase the shifting nature of gender/sexual identity because it doesn't fit in an artificially created box. Adventuresnail ( talk) 19:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
...Guys... does this count as creator-confirmed canon? http://36.media.tumblr.com/bc0c4811da691b59580eb7c4c56a43e1/tumblr_ngx8whZmiY1tnp75xo1_1280.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.95.82.195 ( talk) 20:48, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Just tossing this thought in here: Isn't Michael Dante DiMartino linking, commentary-free, to an article on his Facebook page titled "How A Nickelodeon Cartoon Became One Of The Most Powerful, Subversive Shows Of 2014" [1] which states in no ambiguous terms that Korra and Asami are in fact a couple proof enough? Tmcmistress ( talk) 00:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
We have official confirmation from Bryan Konietzko. http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace 208.103.226.37 ( talk) 01:56, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Also confirmed by Michael Dimartino on his Tumblr
http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105916326500/korrasami-confirmed-now-that-korra-and-asamis absolutely no denying it now that both creators have officially confirmed it
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I'm just copying several sources here as they appear various places. Solarbird ( talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
IGN talks about the Korra-and-Asami (Korrasami) ending: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-the-last-stand-review Solarbird ( talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
The biggest part of the Vanity Fair writeup raves about the groundbreaking nature of letting the Korra-Asami relationship happen, and ending with it: http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/12/korra-series-finale-recap-gay-asami Solarbird ( talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Hollywood Life: "Korra and Asami, the couple shippers have longed to be endgame, held hands and walked toward the spirit world. And that’s how The Legend of Korra ended. (Cue all the tears.)" http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-series-finale-reaction/ Solarbird ( talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Michael Dante DiMartino has linked to Vanity Fair's rave about the Korrasami ending on his Facebook page. Are we canon yet or is that still not enough? https://www.facebook.com/MichaelDanteDiMartino/posts/742679445801043 Solarbird ( talk) 04:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh look, Zuko's actor chimes in saying it's korrasami: https://twitter.com/dantebasco/status/546137848647147520 Solarbird ( talk) 08:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
The Mary Sue: "Korrasami forever!" http://www.themarysue.com/legend-of-korra-finale/2/ Solarbird ( talk) 17:34, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
TV.com (owned by the same people who own Nick) just says it's a relationship outright, and says, "If you replace Asami with a male character, not only is there not any ambiguity about the intention of the scene, but there's not any need for ambiguity either, since a kiss would've gotten through standards and practices in that context." http://www.tv.com/shows/avatar-the-legend-of-korra/community/post/the-legend-of-korra-series-finale-book-4-episode-12-episode-13-day-of-the-colossus-the-last-stand-141886896821/ (h/t StephenG above) Solarbird ( talk) 17:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Co-creator and writer Michael Dante DiMartino again, reblogging and thanking a fan who wrote him about their gay kid, and "after all this time, i could finally share a “happily ever after” that connected our family." : http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105667758470/avatar-mom-i-have-cried-about-so-many-things-in Solarbird ( talk) 17:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Den of Geek talks at the end of their review about how hard you have to work to pretend that wasn't a Korra/Asami relationship ending: http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/the-legend-of-korra/242272/the-legend-of-korra-book-four-finale-review Solarbird ( talk) 18:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Forbes: "The Legend of Korra now exists for the ages as a complete set, tracking Korra from being a cocky teenager with the emotional maturity of a high school freshman to her post-collegiate backpacking vacation with a lover of the same sex. ... A series revealing its openly gay Nickelodeon character in the last episode is certainly a way to spike the football when your core fanbase is the melodrama-craving annals of Tumblr, but it’s also the natural conclusion to a show’s fan base who was forced to grow up along with the series." http://www.forbes.com/sites/davegonzales/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-finale-literally-made-fan-dreams-come-true/2/ Solarbird ( talk) 19:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Video some weeks ago of co-creators on IGN talking about how Korrasami is "valid," "good," and "great": http://otterbender.tumblr.com/post/99023969340/nervously-messes-with-cup Solarbird ( talk) 08:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Huffington Post: "the series closes on Korra and Asami holding hands and going off into the spirit world together. Then Korrasami supporters around the world let out a scream of joy. The fan ship finally seems to be official." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/20/legend-of-korra-finale_n_6359698.html Solarbird ( talk) 19:03, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
IBT: "Legend of Korra lesbian romance shocker? Korra and Asami end up together in series finale" http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/legend-korra-lesbian-romance-shocker-korra-asami-end-together-series-finale-1480381 Solarbird ( talk) 19:04, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Escapist Magazine: "Korrasami is canon!" ... "However, as the series approached its end, the common expectation was that Korra and Mako would end up together. After all, the hero has to end up with someone, right? And neither Nick nor the showrunners would be brave enough to pair up Korra and Asami. Apparently, they were up to the challenge." Acknowledges the argument but says they aren't having it in this review. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/reviews/12785-Legend-of-Korra-Series-Finale-Review.2 Solarbird ( talk) 09:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The AV Club: "It’s not uncommon for platonic friends to hold hands, especially when they’re getting ready to do something scary together, but it’s that final look that elevates their relationship to something more." They note the writers left enough room for people to insist it isn't romantic, but you can't avoid that it is "something more" than that. Again, argument for Significant Other status. Solarbird ( talk) 09:19, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
io9: Korra and Asami "clearly in love." http://io9.com/legend-of-korras-finale-again-proves-its-one-of-the-bes-1673484265/+Fahey Solarbird ( talk) 09:13, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Also the review on examiner dot com that wikipedia won't let me link to describes their relationship as "romantic." They refer to it also as platonic, but specifically romantic in nature, and not just friendship. Which even with that should for Significant Other status. Again, I tried to link, but wikipedia won't let me because apparently it's on the blacklist. I don't know why. Solarbird ( talk) 09:23, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The Mary Sue, a second article: the ending is clearly romantic and not platonic, with again non-dialogue textual support, such as how Korra and Asami are literally pictured together in front of a mountain range background coloured the same as the bisexual flag: http://www.themarysue.com/legend-of-korra-ending-scene/ Solarbird ( talk) 03:43, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Entertainment Weekly - 25 Moments: http://community.ew.com/2014/12/21/korrasami-is-real/ However, while this is presented by Entertainment Weekly as an article (and not some sort of forum post), it's from their "The Community" special section, and I don't know whether it passed an editorial board. Solarbird ( talk) 13:43, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Autostraddle talks about all the queer coding they had assumed was queerbaiting until it actually happened: http://www.autostraddle.com/korrasami-queer-representation-and-saying-goodbye-to-the-legend-of-korra-270141/ Solarbird ( talk) 17:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
ScreenCrush: "The series’ final image, Korra and Asami walking hand and hand into a newly created portal, looking into each other’s eyes with emotion beyond friendship, then drifting into the unknown, will burn brightly in my memory forever. The idea that two characters—shipped to death by the Tumblr devotees—do have a deep love is one last bold move for ‘Legend of Korra,’ a show that made bold moves at every opportunity." http://screencrush.com/the-legend-of-korra-finale-review-day-of-the-colossus-the-last-stand/ Solarbird ( talk) 17:55, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Tor.com criticises calling the Korra-Asami relationship and show ending in particular "fan service:" "Because there are plenty of people who did see this relationship coming. The subtext was there—and before you go knocking subtext over text, let me remind you that subtext was often the only possible way to have non-heterosexual relationships in fiction for centuries. So it has to count, because for so many years it was literally the only thing that did count." See also my commentary about deniability vs. room for interpretation. http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/12/legend-of-korras-finale-and-the-problem-with-qfan-serviceq Solarbird ( talk) 18:25, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
AfterEllen.com: "The Legend of Korra" finale gives fans a happy Korrasami ending http://www.afterellen.com/tv/405397-legend-korra-finale-gives-fans-happy-korrasami-ending Solarbird ( talk) 22:14, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Seychelle Gabriel, Asami Soto's voice actress, doesn't just link to but actively endorses Vanity Fair's Korrasami article: https://twitter.com/seychellegab/status/546397952025952256 and also retweeted a thank you for the Korra-Asami relationship ending. (Screencap of the RT here: http://avatarparallels.tumblr.com/post/105777069223/seychelle-gabriels-retweet but it's also in her twitter stream. I don't know how to link specifically to someone's retweet of a tweet.) Solarbird ( talk) 21:33, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
This is the big one http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace Bryan Konietzko himself writes a huge blog post on his blog about it, beginning with the exact words "Korrasami is canon. You can celebrate it, embrace it, accept it, get over it, or whatever you feel the need to do, but there is no denying it. That is the official story. We received some wonderful press in the wake of the series finale at the end of last week, and just about every piece I read got it right: Korra and Asami fell in love. Were they friends? Yes, and they still are, but they also grew to have romantic feelings for each other. " 95.144.146.84 ( talk) 01:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
As well as Bryan there's also Michael Dimartino also making a post official statement on his tumblr titled "Korrasami Confirmed". http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105916326500/korrasami-confirmed-now-that-korra-and-asamis 81.97.84.26 ( talk) 02:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
And Kotaku: "bryke say yes it's exactly what you thought, deal with it" http://kotaku.com/legend-of-korra-creators-ending-was-what-you-thought-1674345784 Solarbird ( talk) 03:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
This is a cool article on Korra's PSTD that involves Asami Sato as well. http://www.themarysue.com/the-psychology-of-inspirational-women-korra/ Solarbird ( talk) 07:06, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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Asami Sato needs to be added in the significant other category as 'girlfriend' 120.145.28.101 ( talk) 01:45, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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You need to add Asami Sato to Korras significant others the writers have confirmed them as romantically involved so therefore you will need to update the information for both characters. 81.94.204.226 ( talk) 02:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I want to talk about "room for interpretation" for a minute.
What's that mean? "Room for interpretation" is usually invoked to imply that there are reasonable grounds for differing conclusions based on evidence. In fiction, one fandom example is the original Battlestar Galactica (1978). We don't see Pegasus destroyed; we see Pegasus destroy two base stars successfully and go in for the kill on a third. Then we do not see Pegasus again. Given that we had not seen Pegasus before, and that Pegasus had escaped similar situations in the past, it does not seem unreasonable to assert that Pegasus might have survived the battle - limping away needing months of work before getting back underway, who knows? Pegasus was most likely destroyed saving Galactica and the fleet, but it's not unreasonable to consider the alternative. That's "room for interpretation."
I want also to talk about "deniability."
Deniability comes in to play when you're forbidden to talk about or do a certain thing, but you do it anyway, with just enough obscurity to it that if observers really, really, really want to, they can deny you are doing what you're actually doing. An example is in the film Spartacus, and the "oysters and clams" discussion, which was cut from video for many years because it wasn't quite deniable enough for television censors. But that was the attempt; a discussion about gay sexuality that wasn't about gay sexuality, but was about seafood. It was deniable that it was about sexuality, at least for initial release.
Now, how does this apply to the Korra finale?
Nickelodeon has a known policy against showing clearly GBLT relationships. This is the same as Cartoon Network and work such as Adventure Time, and has been extensively discussed elsewhere, so I won't go into it here; it suffices to know that this policy is in place. It has to do, we are old, with overseas markets - but they don't make special cuts for places like North America and Japan, either, so we all get to fall under those rules.
This leaves creators who want to go in that direction with the reality that they must include at very least deniability. They cannot explicitly state the presence of GBLT relationships. They can only hint or imply, and the only question is how hard in that direction one can go.
In a context of women in relationships in particular, this can be difficult, due to the blinding phenomenon often referred to as "lesbian invisibility," or the cultural assumption in the west that two women involved in a relationship can't really be in a relationship until - and often not even after - it is stated explicitly. This causes many people to ignore vast swaths of contextual (and real-life, for that matter) evidence.
You can also see this phenominon in reactions online to this episode. Personally, I was surprised when I started seeing evidence of Korra and Asami building a relationship in Book 2, and told myself I was just overreading it - until it became pretty obvious in Book 3. Even then I was thinking that there was no way the show would be allowed to go there - until Book 4, when it became so strongly stated, given the limits of their allowed range.
And despite all that, a small but meaningful percentage of online reaction calls the Korra/Asami relationship ending "completely out of the blue" and "unexpected." This is lesbian and bisexual invisibility syndrome at work.
But at the same time, this reaction also indicates how far the authors went in this episode; even those people most likely to ignore and/or downplay same-sex relationships between women as "just friends" are reacting to the finale. It is that conclusive in their eyes; they can't ignore it - however much they might want to.
What does this have to do with "room for interpretation" vs. "deniability?"
I assert this to be supporting evidence that we are well past "room for interpretation" and into "deniability." When people who routinely ignore implications of same-sex female relationships are confronted with evidence so strong that they're reacting against it, "lesbian invisibility" has been shattered. Yes, deniability has been maintained, as we see in discussions above. If one insists, one can ignore enough parts of the source material to conclude it didn't happen. This allows the show to be aired in places like Russia - "see, it's legal, we didn't say romance. We didn't say elopement. We didn't say girlfriends."
But you're certainly out of the "room for interpretation" field. It's not ambiguous. It's just deniable. Which we already know is a Nickelodeon requirement. And I think all of this must be considered in any reasonable discussion of the topic. Context matters, and this is our context, and to ignore it is to do a disservice to everyone.
Solarbird ( talk) 03:07, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Huge blog post from one of the primary writers and co-creators of the series, Bryan Konietzko himself, confirms they are officially a couple. http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace That's his official blog, I'd say this is conclusive. 95.144.146.84 ( talk) 01:11, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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Jwaresolutions ( talk) 07:53, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I realize why this article is locked (and I applaud that), but I'd like to request an admin remove the sentence from the reception section mentioning that a real estate company did an evluation of Air Temple Island. It strikes me as WP:TRIVIA, it has nothing to do with the character in question, and it's not really an example of reception. Luthien22 ( talk) 19:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
So, I don't want to stick my head in the lion's mouth or anything, but given the incredibly fierce debate about Korra and Asami's relationship, a compromise presents itself: why not have a section about it? Whether you think it's confirmed or not, the controversy itself is undeniably notable, as Solarbird's list of sources proves. This is an important factor of the character, and I think we can all agree it will continue to be important as the show and the character is remembered. Any encylopedia article about Korra really ought to include some discussion of this debate. So why not do that for now, report the discussions in official sources and the media, and then add her as a "Relationship" once a more firm agreement is made? -- 76.91.190.155 ( talk) 20:57, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
And to be clear: I'm not talking about some list where both sides lay out their case. I'm talking about a "Personal Relationships" section, or some similar, where the controversy can be reported on as part of the larger article about the character. Personally, I think that when the creators of the show re-posted an article from Vanity Fair about the groundbreaking LGBT relationship, it has been confirmed by official sources. But either way, this is an important part of the character, and as such ought to be discussed in the article. 76.91.190.155 ( talk) 20:59, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I thought it only had to be widely reported and unrefuted to be "notable" and thus worthy of adding. Thanks in advance for explaining. :)I really shouldn't have stated that the 'Girlfriend or SO' thing might not happen. If the reliable sources are in heavy agreement, it very well could, but they seem more conflicting at the moment between friendship rather than relationship. But if the vast majority of RS say affirmatively that 'Yes, it was a relationship' then that would be fine. You can see the section that Solarbird is collecting for what the sources seem to say. I'll need to do my own research. We've got 4 days before the article is unprotected and another edit war might scurry on if this isn't solved on the talk page. Tutelary ( talk) 21:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
The editors and admins here are just amoral enforcers of heteronormativity and are too blinded by their own privilege to see their issue here. Debating them is a waste of time. This would not be an issue for a het couple and it's absolutely absurd. Once again heteronormative people are demanding queer people prove something to them and they fail to see any issue in it because they have guidelines to hide behind. This is queer erasure, it's malicious and I have zero respect for the integrity of those enforcing it. These are the same sort of people that refused to allow Chelsea Manning her identity for some time. Little Miss Desu ( talk) 23:04, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Mike DiMartino posted a blog post confirming the bisexual relationship of Asami and Korra this evening. This dispute is officially put to rest. CRRays Head90 | #RaysUp 01:20, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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Looks to be locked after speculation based changes (re: 'Korrasami'), but as officially clarified directly by the co-creators ( Bryan Konietzko and Michael DiMartino), the relationship between Korra and Asami Sato is/was canonical and should be represented under 'Significant Others' to reflect the disclosure. Happy holidays and warm regards! 198.23.71.111 ( talk) 01:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
The infobox keeps getting changed to list Mako as Korra's "ex-boyfriend", as opposed to "Boyfriend (seasons 1-2)". It is likely that this stems from a lack of a real-world approach to writing about fiction. This isn't a biography of a real person; it's a description of a fictional character. It should cover the entire narrative in which that character is portrayed in the historical present tense. We don't arbitrarily select the end of the work as the reference point for describing a character (think of Hamlet, by the end of which, everyone is dead). Mako is, at various points in the narrative, Korra's future, current, and ex-boyfriend. The "boyfriend (seasons 1-2)" makes it clear that we are talking about a portion of the show's portrayal of this character. Similarly, Asami should be listed as "Girlfriend (season 4)".-- Trystan ( talk) 20:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't have time right now to do this (the semester is starting), but could some editors please expand the Reception section's discussion of Korra and Asami's relationship? All it says right now is that the Vanity Fair article found it subversive. Fair enough, but some statements from reliable sources about what this means for LGTB representation in children's television would be nice. Maybe analysis of possible impact? (obviously by others, not us, due to WP:OR.)Anybody up for the challenge? Luthien22 ( talk) 22:38, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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remove asami sato from significant others. 70.187.142.154 ( talk) 00:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
From looking over this talk page, it seems the inclusion of characters like Korra's dog, her past lives, and platonic friends has generally been uncontested(same with Aang's bison) but neither has there been significant discussion of using that term specifically for these non-romantic relationships. While the significant other page does discuss that the term can be used of any intimate relationship, and I am not at all contesting the importance or intimacy of the relationships she has with her dog and that spirit, I think it's fair to say that usage of 'significant other' is typically understood to refer to a romantic or sexual relationship - the first dictionary definition 1 2 typically describes it as such. So, I propose we split off characters whom she does not not have a romantic relationship with to a separate section in the infobox, under the title "partner" or something similar that demonstrates a similar intimacy but doesn't give the average reader a double take when they think of her having a sexual relationship with her dog or her own past lives. Cannolis ( talk) 19:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on /info/en/?search=Talk:List_of_Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_characters over on the List of Avatar: The Last Airbender Characters talk page, after filling out Korra's already-extant entry a bit. (It was flagged "needs expansion," I don't think I overdid it.) Since there are overlapping characters I tend to think the page should be renamed (Avatar Universe Characters?) and expanded, but I could also see separate lists just for size control. Anyway, it's over there, check it out if you're interested. Solarbird ( talk) 09:46, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
The Wikia says it's 寇柆, and links to "The Stakeout" as a source. Can we run with that or does it need more sourcing? Solarbird ( talk) 08:09, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't have enough time to do a write up on this article (beginning of the semester), but I found this interesting article from the Mary Sue exploring Korra's character development and pyschology. Anybody who thinks it's worth inclusion can plop it in. Luthien22 ( talk) 22:35, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
This post of Bryan's is making quite the impact in the fandom tonight: http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/112732303027/turtle-duck-date-night-this-is-my-piece-for-the It already has news coverage, too: http://screencrush.com/the-legend-of-korra-korrasami-art-bryan-konietzko-official/ Solarbird ( talk) 07:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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I reverted the edits made by User:JJMC89. I believe the images meets the guidelines set out by WP:NFCC. More significantly this appears to be another instance of same issue of various editors wanting to erase certain parts of this show's history. Before the image is removed again there needs to be discussion on this page on whether it should be removed or not. Web Warlock ( talk) 18:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
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Why should a history of the character be the plot of the show? I think it should consist of:
...Like every other page on fictional characters. 94.159.192.137 ( talk) 03:30, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree. I will try to clean up the article, but it needs to through some major reorganization. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 01:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Finished. I combined a lot of the biography information with the plot category and placed it all under "Biography". The plot box is now just a redirect. This was obviously a major change. If anyone has any objections, please post them here so we can work on improving this article. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 20:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Why shouldnt an encyclopedic entry have a detailed account? KirtZJ ( talk) 15:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I have problem with the name of this article. Why Korra (The Legend of Korra)? I think there's no character, person, place or group with this name as Korra already redirects here. So I suggest changing the name. Keivan.f Talk 19:35, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
You don't have to like the finale, but Korra and Asami are canon. Aside from the visuals, if you want text, the musical hits during the finale sequence are from a track canonically called "The Avatar's Love" which was used previously in The Last Airbender finale with Aang and Katara. That is text. Solarbird ( talk) 21:40, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Instead of fighting the day after its airing, why don't you wait a couple of days for someone to actually interview the creators and ask them what they meant with the ending? And if the answers are among the lines "open to interpretation" well, then you can agree you're both right. At least add a topic talking about how some think Korra and Asami got together, enough people believe or debate it to get a freaking mention on the Wikipedia page right? (cause I pretty sure some Wikipedia entries or sub-heads are about theories)
There really shouldn't be a need for argument over this; if anything, when it comes to heterosexual romance, it seems to be no problem, but since it's two girls you need the creator's input? What kind of bullshit is that? Just enter the fact that Korra and Asami are in love. If anything, the parallels between the endings of both ATLA and LOK should serve as enough evidence for the idea that the two are engaged romantically and it's not just a friendship. Trust me, if it's that hard for people to accept non-hetero POC animated characters, and easy for them to accept hetero ones, then that states a lot about Wikipedia's bias. Wadanohara ( talk) 23:06, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I may be misunderstanding the requests for 'confirmation'. An encyclopedia which contains factual information should definitely contain citations, source material, links, etc. But that's not what Wikipedia does, or not ALL it does. And the subject under dicussion is not only a work of creative art, but fiction. As such it's absolutely open for interpretation. I can understand and accept differences of opinion, but IMO that dynamic should also be part of the record: an acknowledgement that things stated here are opinions and interpretations, none more valid than any other. That said, the objections to this relationship that I'm reading here have more than a whiff of heteronormativity; allowing at least the interpretation of possibility to stand would remove that. Editors, please consider the uses and impact of Wikipedia in the process of change. Adventuresnail ( talk) 23:18, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I agree, Stephen: room for interpretation should be included here. Also, who is the authority for the 'final' determination? Writers? producers? director(s)? actors? All of them are collaborators in creating the overall product; viewers are also part of that collaboration. I see no problem in leaving things open, as long as such places as Wikipedia acknowledge that there are many possibilities, and none are more valid than any other. 24.20.34.210 ( talk) 23:54, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Tutelary. I renew my question: what constitutes a 'source' that would provide a definitive answer? And since it is a work of fiction, in a visual medium that allows for interpretation, what is the value in saying yes or no, rather than referring to the differences of opinion? Wouldn't that be 'describing the dispute'? 24.20.34.210 ( talk) 00:54, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
The problem with editors like Rydic is that they take accusations of homophobia/heteronormativity personally and think "That can't POSSIBLY be me, I'm just following protocol." The problem is that when you live in a heteronormative society - and let's face it kids cartoons are at an absolute extreme of heteronormativity(which is an extremely destructive fact, but let's leave that for another day) - the Protocol we shape and how we abide by it are going to be influenced by that. When you have a bunch of Queer people telling Het people they're wrong about something Queer related - you should go with the Queer people. It's THEIR area of expertise and Wikipedia's general stance on this falls dangerously close to a fallacy of Appeal to Authority, where the Authority isn't the person who would actually have first hand experience of the subject at hand. We shouldn't be trusting heteronormative ideals of how to recognise queer romance when the *entire point* was to slip this episode past those who enforce such things. Users like Rhydic can be extremely smug about this - oh well sure if you had CONFIRMATION, etc., acting like they're doing this on behalf of some greater good, when they really aren't. Representation and listening to queer people is vastly more important than sticking to some set of guidelines that have caused incidents like this many a time on the past. When you have a society that is heteronormative, demanding certain sorts of sources is not going to be as reasonable. Basically, if the queer fanbase is overwhelmingly accepting this as a canon pairing, you should listen to them. Two people saying "I love you" or kissing is one particular cultural understanding of what it means to start a romantic or sexual relationship. It is not an absolute, so acting like it's a cold iron rule is ridiculous. What happened in the show looks like conformation to queer people - who have lived in their own subculture to some degree for centuries. We know what it looks like, we know how creators confirm these things in canon as much as they can get away with. A "totally not homophobic" Republican wikipedia editor does not. This is straight up erasure by appealing to a set of standards that reflect extreme heteronormativity in society. Don't complain about being called a bigot if you're going to consistently refuse to listen to queer people. Little Miss Desu ( talk) 03:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I agree with various comments throughout the Korra entries - the only 'fact' is that the ending (without further explanation/verification) is ambiguous. IMO, if we're being scrupulous about fact-based entries, this FACT should be included. I also think the importance of this discussion, and the underlying storytelling process, can't be overstated: this is part of the process of change that will someday render this very conversation obsolete. I think Wikipedia should be part of that process. Don't erase the shifting nature of gender/sexual identity because it doesn't fit in an artificially created box. Adventuresnail ( talk) 19:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
...Guys... does this count as creator-confirmed canon? http://36.media.tumblr.com/bc0c4811da691b59580eb7c4c56a43e1/tumblr_ngx8whZmiY1tnp75xo1_1280.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.95.82.195 ( talk) 20:48, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Just tossing this thought in here: Isn't Michael Dante DiMartino linking, commentary-free, to an article on his Facebook page titled "How A Nickelodeon Cartoon Became One Of The Most Powerful, Subversive Shows Of 2014" [1] which states in no ambiguous terms that Korra and Asami are in fact a couple proof enough? Tmcmistress ( talk) 00:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
We have official confirmation from Bryan Konietzko. http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace 208.103.226.37 ( talk) 01:56, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Also confirmed by Michael Dimartino on his Tumblr
http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105916326500/korrasami-confirmed-now-that-korra-and-asamis absolutely no denying it now that both creators have officially confirmed it
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I'm just copying several sources here as they appear various places. Solarbird ( talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
IGN talks about the Korra-and-Asami (Korrasami) ending: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-the-last-stand-review Solarbird ( talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
The biggest part of the Vanity Fair writeup raves about the groundbreaking nature of letting the Korra-Asami relationship happen, and ending with it: http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/12/korra-series-finale-recap-gay-asami Solarbird ( talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Hollywood Life: "Korra and Asami, the couple shippers have longed to be endgame, held hands and walked toward the spirit world. And that’s how The Legend of Korra ended. (Cue all the tears.)" http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-series-finale-reaction/ Solarbird ( talk) 17:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Michael Dante DiMartino has linked to Vanity Fair's rave about the Korrasami ending on his Facebook page. Are we canon yet or is that still not enough? https://www.facebook.com/MichaelDanteDiMartino/posts/742679445801043 Solarbird ( talk) 04:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh look, Zuko's actor chimes in saying it's korrasami: https://twitter.com/dantebasco/status/546137848647147520 Solarbird ( talk) 08:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
The Mary Sue: "Korrasami forever!" http://www.themarysue.com/legend-of-korra-finale/2/ Solarbird ( talk) 17:34, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
TV.com (owned by the same people who own Nick) just says it's a relationship outright, and says, "If you replace Asami with a male character, not only is there not any ambiguity about the intention of the scene, but there's not any need for ambiguity either, since a kiss would've gotten through standards and practices in that context." http://www.tv.com/shows/avatar-the-legend-of-korra/community/post/the-legend-of-korra-series-finale-book-4-episode-12-episode-13-day-of-the-colossus-the-last-stand-141886896821/ (h/t StephenG above) Solarbird ( talk) 17:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Co-creator and writer Michael Dante DiMartino again, reblogging and thanking a fan who wrote him about their gay kid, and "after all this time, i could finally share a “happily ever after” that connected our family." : http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105667758470/avatar-mom-i-have-cried-about-so-many-things-in Solarbird ( talk) 17:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Den of Geek talks at the end of their review about how hard you have to work to pretend that wasn't a Korra/Asami relationship ending: http://www.denofgeek.us/tv/the-legend-of-korra/242272/the-legend-of-korra-book-four-finale-review Solarbird ( talk) 18:26, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Forbes: "The Legend of Korra now exists for the ages as a complete set, tracking Korra from being a cocky teenager with the emotional maturity of a high school freshman to her post-collegiate backpacking vacation with a lover of the same sex. ... A series revealing its openly gay Nickelodeon character in the last episode is certainly a way to spike the football when your core fanbase is the melodrama-craving annals of Tumblr, but it’s also the natural conclusion to a show’s fan base who was forced to grow up along with the series." http://www.forbes.com/sites/davegonzales/2014/12/19/the-legend-of-korra-finale-literally-made-fan-dreams-come-true/2/ Solarbird ( talk) 19:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Video some weeks ago of co-creators on IGN talking about how Korrasami is "valid," "good," and "great": http://otterbender.tumblr.com/post/99023969340/nervously-messes-with-cup Solarbird ( talk) 08:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Huffington Post: "the series closes on Korra and Asami holding hands and going off into the spirit world together. Then Korrasami supporters around the world let out a scream of joy. The fan ship finally seems to be official." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/20/legend-of-korra-finale_n_6359698.html Solarbird ( talk) 19:03, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
IBT: "Legend of Korra lesbian romance shocker? Korra and Asami end up together in series finale" http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/legend-korra-lesbian-romance-shocker-korra-asami-end-together-series-finale-1480381 Solarbird ( talk) 19:04, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Escapist Magazine: "Korrasami is canon!" ... "However, as the series approached its end, the common expectation was that Korra and Mako would end up together. After all, the hero has to end up with someone, right? And neither Nick nor the showrunners would be brave enough to pair up Korra and Asami. Apparently, they were up to the challenge." Acknowledges the argument but says they aren't having it in this review. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/reviews/12785-Legend-of-Korra-Series-Finale-Review.2 Solarbird ( talk) 09:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The AV Club: "It’s not uncommon for platonic friends to hold hands, especially when they’re getting ready to do something scary together, but it’s that final look that elevates their relationship to something more." They note the writers left enough room for people to insist it isn't romantic, but you can't avoid that it is "something more" than that. Again, argument for Significant Other status. Solarbird ( talk) 09:19, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
io9: Korra and Asami "clearly in love." http://io9.com/legend-of-korras-finale-again-proves-its-one-of-the-bes-1673484265/+Fahey Solarbird ( talk) 09:13, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Also the review on examiner dot com that wikipedia won't let me link to describes their relationship as "romantic." They refer to it also as platonic, but specifically romantic in nature, and not just friendship. Which even with that should for Significant Other status. Again, I tried to link, but wikipedia won't let me because apparently it's on the blacklist. I don't know why. Solarbird ( talk) 09:23, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The Mary Sue, a second article: the ending is clearly romantic and not platonic, with again non-dialogue textual support, such as how Korra and Asami are literally pictured together in front of a mountain range background coloured the same as the bisexual flag: http://www.themarysue.com/legend-of-korra-ending-scene/ Solarbird ( talk) 03:43, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Entertainment Weekly - 25 Moments: http://community.ew.com/2014/12/21/korrasami-is-real/ However, while this is presented by Entertainment Weekly as an article (and not some sort of forum post), it's from their "The Community" special section, and I don't know whether it passed an editorial board. Solarbird ( talk) 13:43, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Autostraddle talks about all the queer coding they had assumed was queerbaiting until it actually happened: http://www.autostraddle.com/korrasami-queer-representation-and-saying-goodbye-to-the-legend-of-korra-270141/ Solarbird ( talk) 17:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
ScreenCrush: "The series’ final image, Korra and Asami walking hand and hand into a newly created portal, looking into each other’s eyes with emotion beyond friendship, then drifting into the unknown, will burn brightly in my memory forever. The idea that two characters—shipped to death by the Tumblr devotees—do have a deep love is one last bold move for ‘Legend of Korra,’ a show that made bold moves at every opportunity." http://screencrush.com/the-legend-of-korra-finale-review-day-of-the-colossus-the-last-stand/ Solarbird ( talk) 17:55, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Tor.com criticises calling the Korra-Asami relationship and show ending in particular "fan service:" "Because there are plenty of people who did see this relationship coming. The subtext was there—and before you go knocking subtext over text, let me remind you that subtext was often the only possible way to have non-heterosexual relationships in fiction for centuries. So it has to count, because for so many years it was literally the only thing that did count." See also my commentary about deniability vs. room for interpretation. http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/12/legend-of-korras-finale-and-the-problem-with-qfan-serviceq Solarbird ( talk) 18:25, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
AfterEllen.com: "The Legend of Korra" finale gives fans a happy Korrasami ending http://www.afterellen.com/tv/405397-legend-korra-finale-gives-fans-happy-korrasami-ending Solarbird ( talk) 22:14, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Seychelle Gabriel, Asami Soto's voice actress, doesn't just link to but actively endorses Vanity Fair's Korrasami article: https://twitter.com/seychellegab/status/546397952025952256 and also retweeted a thank you for the Korra-Asami relationship ending. (Screencap of the RT here: http://avatarparallels.tumblr.com/post/105777069223/seychelle-gabriels-retweet but it's also in her twitter stream. I don't know how to link specifically to someone's retweet of a tweet.) Solarbird ( talk) 21:33, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
This is the big one http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace Bryan Konietzko himself writes a huge blog post on his blog about it, beginning with the exact words "Korrasami is canon. You can celebrate it, embrace it, accept it, get over it, or whatever you feel the need to do, but there is no denying it. That is the official story. We received some wonderful press in the wake of the series finale at the end of last week, and just about every piece I read got it right: Korra and Asami fell in love. Were they friends? Yes, and they still are, but they also grew to have romantic feelings for each other. " 95.144.146.84 ( talk) 01:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
As well as Bryan there's also Michael Dimartino also making a post official statement on his tumblr titled "Korrasami Confirmed". http://michaeldantedimartino.tumblr.com/post/105916326500/korrasami-confirmed-now-that-korra-and-asamis 81.97.84.26 ( talk) 02:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
And Kotaku: "bryke say yes it's exactly what you thought, deal with it" http://kotaku.com/legend-of-korra-creators-ending-was-what-you-thought-1674345784 Solarbird ( talk) 03:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
This is a cool article on Korra's PSTD that involves Asami Sato as well. http://www.themarysue.com/the-psychology-of-inspirational-women-korra/ Solarbird ( talk) 07:06, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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Asami Sato needs to be added in the significant other category as 'girlfriend' 120.145.28.101 ( talk) 01:45, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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You need to add Asami Sato to Korras significant others the writers have confirmed them as romantically involved so therefore you will need to update the information for both characters. 81.94.204.226 ( talk) 02:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I want to talk about "room for interpretation" for a minute.
What's that mean? "Room for interpretation" is usually invoked to imply that there are reasonable grounds for differing conclusions based on evidence. In fiction, one fandom example is the original Battlestar Galactica (1978). We don't see Pegasus destroyed; we see Pegasus destroy two base stars successfully and go in for the kill on a third. Then we do not see Pegasus again. Given that we had not seen Pegasus before, and that Pegasus had escaped similar situations in the past, it does not seem unreasonable to assert that Pegasus might have survived the battle - limping away needing months of work before getting back underway, who knows? Pegasus was most likely destroyed saving Galactica and the fleet, but it's not unreasonable to consider the alternative. That's "room for interpretation."
I want also to talk about "deniability."
Deniability comes in to play when you're forbidden to talk about or do a certain thing, but you do it anyway, with just enough obscurity to it that if observers really, really, really want to, they can deny you are doing what you're actually doing. An example is in the film Spartacus, and the "oysters and clams" discussion, which was cut from video for many years because it wasn't quite deniable enough for television censors. But that was the attempt; a discussion about gay sexuality that wasn't about gay sexuality, but was about seafood. It was deniable that it was about sexuality, at least for initial release.
Now, how does this apply to the Korra finale?
Nickelodeon has a known policy against showing clearly GBLT relationships. This is the same as Cartoon Network and work such as Adventure Time, and has been extensively discussed elsewhere, so I won't go into it here; it suffices to know that this policy is in place. It has to do, we are old, with overseas markets - but they don't make special cuts for places like North America and Japan, either, so we all get to fall under those rules.
This leaves creators who want to go in that direction with the reality that they must include at very least deniability. They cannot explicitly state the presence of GBLT relationships. They can only hint or imply, and the only question is how hard in that direction one can go.
In a context of women in relationships in particular, this can be difficult, due to the blinding phenomenon often referred to as "lesbian invisibility," or the cultural assumption in the west that two women involved in a relationship can't really be in a relationship until - and often not even after - it is stated explicitly. This causes many people to ignore vast swaths of contextual (and real-life, for that matter) evidence.
You can also see this phenominon in reactions online to this episode. Personally, I was surprised when I started seeing evidence of Korra and Asami building a relationship in Book 2, and told myself I was just overreading it - until it became pretty obvious in Book 3. Even then I was thinking that there was no way the show would be allowed to go there - until Book 4, when it became so strongly stated, given the limits of their allowed range.
And despite all that, a small but meaningful percentage of online reaction calls the Korra/Asami relationship ending "completely out of the blue" and "unexpected." This is lesbian and bisexual invisibility syndrome at work.
But at the same time, this reaction also indicates how far the authors went in this episode; even those people most likely to ignore and/or downplay same-sex relationships between women as "just friends" are reacting to the finale. It is that conclusive in their eyes; they can't ignore it - however much they might want to.
What does this have to do with "room for interpretation" vs. "deniability?"
I assert this to be supporting evidence that we are well past "room for interpretation" and into "deniability." When people who routinely ignore implications of same-sex female relationships are confronted with evidence so strong that they're reacting against it, "lesbian invisibility" has been shattered. Yes, deniability has been maintained, as we see in discussions above. If one insists, one can ignore enough parts of the source material to conclude it didn't happen. This allows the show to be aired in places like Russia - "see, it's legal, we didn't say romance. We didn't say elopement. We didn't say girlfriends."
But you're certainly out of the "room for interpretation" field. It's not ambiguous. It's just deniable. Which we already know is a Nickelodeon requirement. And I think all of this must be considered in any reasonable discussion of the topic. Context matters, and this is our context, and to ignore it is to do a disservice to everyone.
Solarbird ( talk) 03:07, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Huge blog post from one of the primary writers and co-creators of the series, Bryan Konietzko himself, confirms they are officially a couple. http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace That's his official blog, I'd say this is conclusive. 95.144.146.84 ( talk) 01:11, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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Jwaresolutions ( talk) 07:53, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I realize why this article is locked (and I applaud that), but I'd like to request an admin remove the sentence from the reception section mentioning that a real estate company did an evluation of Air Temple Island. It strikes me as WP:TRIVIA, it has nothing to do with the character in question, and it's not really an example of reception. Luthien22 ( talk) 19:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
So, I don't want to stick my head in the lion's mouth or anything, but given the incredibly fierce debate about Korra and Asami's relationship, a compromise presents itself: why not have a section about it? Whether you think it's confirmed or not, the controversy itself is undeniably notable, as Solarbird's list of sources proves. This is an important factor of the character, and I think we can all agree it will continue to be important as the show and the character is remembered. Any encylopedia article about Korra really ought to include some discussion of this debate. So why not do that for now, report the discussions in official sources and the media, and then add her as a "Relationship" once a more firm agreement is made? -- 76.91.190.155 ( talk) 20:57, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
And to be clear: I'm not talking about some list where both sides lay out their case. I'm talking about a "Personal Relationships" section, or some similar, where the controversy can be reported on as part of the larger article about the character. Personally, I think that when the creators of the show re-posted an article from Vanity Fair about the groundbreaking LGBT relationship, it has been confirmed by official sources. But either way, this is an important part of the character, and as such ought to be discussed in the article. 76.91.190.155 ( talk) 20:59, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
I thought it only had to be widely reported and unrefuted to be "notable" and thus worthy of adding. Thanks in advance for explaining. :)I really shouldn't have stated that the 'Girlfriend or SO' thing might not happen. If the reliable sources are in heavy agreement, it very well could, but they seem more conflicting at the moment between friendship rather than relationship. But if the vast majority of RS say affirmatively that 'Yes, it was a relationship' then that would be fine. You can see the section that Solarbird is collecting for what the sources seem to say. I'll need to do my own research. We've got 4 days before the article is unprotected and another edit war might scurry on if this isn't solved on the talk page. Tutelary ( talk) 21:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
The editors and admins here are just amoral enforcers of heteronormativity and are too blinded by their own privilege to see their issue here. Debating them is a waste of time. This would not be an issue for a het couple and it's absolutely absurd. Once again heteronormative people are demanding queer people prove something to them and they fail to see any issue in it because they have guidelines to hide behind. This is queer erasure, it's malicious and I have zero respect for the integrity of those enforcing it. These are the same sort of people that refused to allow Chelsea Manning her identity for some time. Little Miss Desu ( talk) 23:04, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Mike DiMartino posted a blog post confirming the bisexual relationship of Asami and Korra this evening. This dispute is officially put to rest. CRRays Head90 | #RaysUp 01:20, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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Looks to be locked after speculation based changes (re: 'Korrasami'), but as officially clarified directly by the co-creators ( Bryan Konietzko and Michael DiMartino), the relationship between Korra and Asami Sato is/was canonical and should be represented under 'Significant Others' to reflect the disclosure. Happy holidays and warm regards! 198.23.71.111 ( talk) 01:43, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
The infobox keeps getting changed to list Mako as Korra's "ex-boyfriend", as opposed to "Boyfriend (seasons 1-2)". It is likely that this stems from a lack of a real-world approach to writing about fiction. This isn't a biography of a real person; it's a description of a fictional character. It should cover the entire narrative in which that character is portrayed in the historical present tense. We don't arbitrarily select the end of the work as the reference point for describing a character (think of Hamlet, by the end of which, everyone is dead). Mako is, at various points in the narrative, Korra's future, current, and ex-boyfriend. The "boyfriend (seasons 1-2)" makes it clear that we are talking about a portion of the show's portrayal of this character. Similarly, Asami should be listed as "Girlfriend (season 4)".-- Trystan ( talk) 20:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't have time right now to do this (the semester is starting), but could some editors please expand the Reception section's discussion of Korra and Asami's relationship? All it says right now is that the Vanity Fair article found it subversive. Fair enough, but some statements from reliable sources about what this means for LGTB representation in children's television would be nice. Maybe analysis of possible impact? (obviously by others, not us, due to WP:OR.)Anybody up for the challenge? Luthien22 ( talk) 22:38, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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remove asami sato from significant others. 70.187.142.154 ( talk) 00:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
From looking over this talk page, it seems the inclusion of characters like Korra's dog, her past lives, and platonic friends has generally been uncontested(same with Aang's bison) but neither has there been significant discussion of using that term specifically for these non-romantic relationships. While the significant other page does discuss that the term can be used of any intimate relationship, and I am not at all contesting the importance or intimacy of the relationships she has with her dog and that spirit, I think it's fair to say that usage of 'significant other' is typically understood to refer to a romantic or sexual relationship - the first dictionary definition 1 2 typically describes it as such. So, I propose we split off characters whom she does not not have a romantic relationship with to a separate section in the infobox, under the title "partner" or something similar that demonstrates a similar intimacy but doesn't give the average reader a double take when they think of her having a sexual relationship with her dog or her own past lives. Cannolis ( talk) 19:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on /info/en/?search=Talk:List_of_Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_characters over on the List of Avatar: The Last Airbender Characters talk page, after filling out Korra's already-extant entry a bit. (It was flagged "needs expansion," I don't think I overdid it.) Since there are overlapping characters I tend to think the page should be renamed (Avatar Universe Characters?) and expanded, but I could also see separate lists just for size control. Anyway, it's over there, check it out if you're interested. Solarbird ( talk) 09:46, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
The Wikia says it's 寇柆, and links to "The Stakeout" as a source. Can we run with that or does it need more sourcing? Solarbird ( talk) 08:09, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't have enough time to do a write up on this article (beginning of the semester), but I found this interesting article from the Mary Sue exploring Korra's character development and pyschology. Anybody who thinks it's worth inclusion can plop it in. Luthien22 ( talk) 22:35, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
This post of Bryan's is making quite the impact in the fandom tonight: http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/112732303027/turtle-duck-date-night-this-is-my-piece-for-the It already has news coverage, too: http://screencrush.com/the-legend-of-korra-korrasami-art-bryan-konietzko-official/ Solarbird ( talk) 07:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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I reverted the edits made by User:JJMC89. I believe the images meets the guidelines set out by WP:NFCC. More significantly this appears to be another instance of same issue of various editors wanting to erase certain parts of this show's history. Before the image is removed again there needs to be discussion on this page on whether it should be removed or not. Web Warlock ( talk) 18:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
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