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The ninth book in the original Choose Your Own Adventure series was a murder mystery with a very similar plot called “Who Killed Harlowe Thrombey?” The victim’s name in this film is Harlan Thrombey. There is NO WAY that’s a coincidence. 97.116.72.212 ( talk) 08:09, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
@ LWRH:Spoilers in the plot section are allowed on Wikipeda. Please stop removing content from the page without proper justification. Nemov ( talk) 17:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Nemov: Incorrect Spoilers in the plot section are not allowed on Wikipeda. Please stop adding unconfirmed and incorrect information. LWRH
@ Nemov: At least have the conviction to write you have only seen the movie once and you might have written incorrect spoilers LWRH
@ Nemov: They are not correct. I want to get an admin involved. I don't know who these people are that you keep referring to. Why do you want to ruin this film by stating the wrong information? LWRH
I::: LWRH, if you think there are issues with the plot, then you need to discuss your specific concerns here. – wallyfromdilbert ( talk) 18:08, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Regardless I do not want another Once Upon a Time in Hollywood situation on our hands. cause this was a bit embarrassing. Rusted AutoParts 18:14, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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Add comedy film to the opening sentence, as this film is a mystery-comedy. Jgwilliams873 ( talk) 20:40, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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Initially I was confused by the sentence ("Filming locations included Marlborough, Natick, Wellesley, Maynard, Waltham, and Canton.[26][27][28]") in the " Filming" [sub-] section, because it contains a list of towns that sounded like they -- (some ... or all? ... of them?) -- might be in Mass., ... but I was not sure.
Then I saw that the previous sentence ("Principal photography began on October 30, 2018, in Boston, Massachusetts and wrapped on December 20, 2018.[23][24][25]") does tell me what state the movie was filmed in, and does mention "Boston".
(Note that, at https://www.thecinemaholic.com/where-was-knives-out-filmed/ it says [in part] that Boston is "where most of the movie was shot", and ... IMHO it might be advisable to include that info -- including the phrase "where most of the movie was shot" -- in the " Filming" [sub-] section. YMMV...) (... with or without including [a "ref" tag, for] a footnote containing that URL.)
As a minimum, it seems to me that Medfield -- which is also mentioned prominently [right after Boston] in that https://www.thecinemaholic.com/where-was-knives-out-filmed/ source -- should also be included in the list of towns in the second sentence.
These changes are based upon (and hence relative to) the currently latest ["11:06, "24 November 2019"] version of the (" Knives Out (film)") article.
I suggest to change [the second sentence in the " Filming" [sub-] section] ... FROM [1]
TO [2]
or at least TO [2a]
...Where no changes after the word "Marlborough" are being suggested.
(unless you count the stuff under "Background:" ... but I don't think you do. [right?] )
(Well, maybe you count the comment about << "(... with or without including [a "ref" tag, for] a footnote containing that URL.)" >> ... [do you?] )
I hope this suggestion is UNAMBIGUOUS enough.
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PS: There are at least 2 places (in the last sentence of the lede, -- right before the " Knives_Out_(film)#Plot" section -- and in the second sentence of the " Knives_Out_(film)#Release" section of the article) [see the " version" info above... if nec.] where it still refers to the release date ("November 27, 2019") using the present tense.
(Actually. saying "is scheduled to be theatrically released on" is a way of wording it, that is kinda like a "future" tense in some ways; ... but I think technically [grammar wise] it's the present tense.)
Since it is now "November 28, 2019" in some time zones (e.g., EST) (equals UTC minus 0500), maybe the "is scheduled to be" there, should be changed to "was scheduled to be" ... OR maybe even, to [just] "was".
Any comments? -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 03:39, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
In the first sentence of the final paragraph of the plot section, where it says "forcing Ransom to admit his crimes," the word choice is incorrect. It should be "causing" rather than "forcing." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.61.124.50 ( talk) 07:36, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
As of right now, the 'production' section finishes with the sentence...
What does this sentence have to do with Knives Out? I'm deleting it. If someone else can show relevance, they can put it right on back Robbmonster ( talk) 04:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Is there any information as to why Walt has a (presumably) broken leg and hobbles round in a surgical boot with a stick, which he sometimes bangs on the ground with anger? It's not explained in the film. Did they decide on it to show the character's ineffectual personality? Had Michael Shannon broken his leg in real life? Paulturtle ( talk) 03:35, 7 December 2019 (UTC) Found an interview online in which Shannon talks about Walt being "not fully formed" as he has always been under his father's shadow, but nothing about the surgical boot. Paulturtle ( talk) 04:14, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
This suggests that it's to symbolise that Walt is "not fully functional" (and there was nothing wrong with Shannon's leg in real life) https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/conversations-consequence-knives-rian-johnson-050047532.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI8yEcCU6-zlCZU4CNwQfKEJO3LeSmxLoYS7EyA8O55PxA03NdWUJAiG7lp4jDOIiCdRb8LQAJaBzVn7X2BJyXYsCfD_HQ4YuLb951sNu_rMkGW6D3mrxDn6s_rkv-2YBkADMnn2o2rQlvJrO2ONH7xWODt_D-qGwb82f7udstiY
Paulturtle ( talk) 04:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Ajd: it looks like we disagree on whether a few small elements are necessary. Here's my take:
Harlan gives Marta instructions to create a false alibi to avoid suspicion for causing his death. This is obvious - people only use false alibis to avoid suspicion. We don't need to explain this.
As they search the property, Marta attempts to conceal evidence.Marta conceals evidence. How successful she is doesn't matter here.
In the present, Blanc questions Marta. Marta cannot lie without vomiting, and so she gives true but incomplete answers.This is clear without the "true" part - the clear implication is that she avoids lying by not telling the whole story.
Popcornduff ( talk) 22:15, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Harlan gave Marta instructions to create a false alibi to avoid suspicion for causing his death and then slit his own throat.We have two infinitive "to"s and a "for" here in sequence, which is kinda clunky, and then the "slit his own throat" is hard to pick up with. I still think writing this flashback in the present tense (introducing it with "the night before") is the simplest solution.
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I'll move this here since @ Wallyfromdilbert: would rather keep reverting my edits. "Illegal immigration" is the most widely used term. It's also the accepted term on Wikipedia. Not all undocumented immigration is illegal, and not all illegal immigration is undocumented. Before making this change I researched the Illegal immigration article and users have attempted to change the page to "Undocumented Immigration." Those attempts have failed to gain consensus. "Undocumented Immigrant" is neither precise or the most widely used term. In order to maintain consistency my edit should stand. If a user wants to call "Illegal Immigration" something else please find consensus to change the Illegal immigration article title. Thanks! Nemov ( talk) 00:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
a partisan source whose statements should be attributed. In addition, an abundance of reliable sources (i.e., The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Hollywood Reporter, The Washington Post, Vanity Fair) refer to the character as undocumented, so due weight should be given to the term. KyleJoan talk 05:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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Comment Why was a third opinion requested when the discussion has already obtained three users' opinions? KyleJoan talk 13:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
"Marta, seemingly by accident, administered him an overdose of morphine" means 'Marta administered an overdose, and it seems like it was an accident.' That's not what happened; as it turns out, she didn't administer an overdose. "Marta apparently accidentally administered him an overdose of morphine" means 'it seems like Marta administered an overdose,' which is true, and compatible with the fact that she actually didn't. AJD ( talk) 16:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
i did not like the wording of this summary regarding the "overdose" so i adjusted it. i literally just watched the movie, then read the wiki and felt that line was off. — Preceding
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apparently sounds stupid. whoever undid my changes that maybe added 15 characters or so is either some edit nazi or is so someone who is mad their poor sentence in that summary was changed — Preceding
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Added film, Woman of Straw, with young character who murders his wealthy uncle at his mansion for his money. He manipulates the immigrant nurse who becomes the suspect. Detective is brought in to solve it. See also is a template for readers to connect them to similar pages. This helps the reader. It's not a big addition. Literally what See Also is intended for. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy ( talk) 15:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic. So, you should present reliable sources here that cover the similarities between these two films, in order for it to be included in a See also section and be properly integrated into the article body sometime in the future. — El Millo ( talk) 16:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Whether this was intended or not, the movie seemed to incorporate a clever two-way homage to Sherlock Holmes The Adventure of Silver Blaze, in which the crucial clue was dog NOT barking in the night as it knew the person. Knives Out starts with the dogs. They bark at Ransom, but not at Marta, both ways important to the story, unlike the Holmes story, where only one way mattered. JohnMashey ( talk) 21:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
theories about dogs barking. We're all free not to comment. KyleJoan talk 01:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Please can the MRC credit be moved from the distributed by category to the production company category. MRC is not a distributor. They only fund and produce movies. That's like saying New Regency or Village Roadshow are distributors because the credits say from 20th Century and New Regency or from Warner Bros. and Village Roadshow. They are just studios that co-produced the movies and not actual distributors. 105.112.58.9 ( talk) 11:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Per BILLING BLOCK: "Lionsgate and MRC present..."For reference, the billing block can be found at the bottom of this poster. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 16:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
At least according to imdb, Glass Onion will be in (limited??) distribution in theaters as of tomorrow a month before going on Netflix. Hope to verify this in person. ELSchissel ( talk) 15:38, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
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The film was released in 2019, but why is it still in Category:Upcoming films?! ⇒ Aram Talk 16:06, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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I realised I should probably say something before I dive right into all the bullet points! Overall this looks like a very thorough and polished article that I expect will very soon make for an excellent Good Article. I typically prefer to make very minor prose edits and simple fixes myself, rather than bother you with the rigamarole of writing a whole bullet point to the effect of "in such-and-such paragraph, the year should be 2019 instead of 2018", so you'll likely see me puttering on the article a bit as I work my way through the review. Naturally, feel free to continue editing yourself, and to discuss any of the suggestions I make below, at any point in the review. I look forward to working together!
Bergman was already conducting the location scouting while Rian prepared the script.-- this would be clearer if it mentioned a date to ground it in time (e.g., in 2018...?) but also, the cited source doesn't say anything that about location scouting so I tagged this as "failed verification."
One report circulated by Deadline claimed that Creative Artists Agency and FilmNation hosted an auction of the script at the 43rd Toronto International Film Festival to various investors, including MRC, which it secured by outbidding all offers with a hefty proposal.The cited Deadline report says that the film's distribution was made available to bids from distributors in various countries, and makes no mention whatosever of MRC. If Johnson has felt the need to dispute this account, I'm sure there's somebody out there who claimed there was an auction, but this section needs to be revisited for accuracy.
By January 2020, the film's domestic gross topped $130 million.The cited source is from February 2020 and simply doesn't say that.
She confesses to Blanc, though Ransom has already implicated her. I can't remember if Marta is aware that Ransom has implicated her or not, e.g., does she think she's deciding or is she just giving up? This sentence suggest the second, but the next sentence really emphasizes the "decided to". Something shorter and simpler might be clearer here.
The first shift arranges the plot as a thriller...to a new section, called something like "Mystery genre" in the "Themes" section. (Also, the explanation jumps right from the "first" shift to the "final" shift but should there be more shifts in there?) For a GA, I think that one paragraph is enough for a "mystery genre" section, though I'm sure there's lots out there if you wanted to keep expanding with FAC in mind.
Rian approached the filming with a double-camera setup, appointing two operators to complete the task. While the camera interactions in this setup were known to yield frustrating results on other shoots, the setup proved reliable for the producers because they had the freedom to experiment with their filmmaking methods.To be very nitpicky: per the source, Johnson didn't appoint the operators, the DP did, and the film producers had nothing to do with any of it. The source itself quotes the DP as saying
"On some projects, the interaction between A- and B-cameras can be a frustration," he says. "But, with Rian's approach, it's nothing but a joy. We found some really cool shots, and did fun stuff". That's a comment on interpersonal relationships: sometimes it's annoying to manage multiple operators, but Johnson is fun to work for. No mention of reliable results for the producers. I'd suggest stripping this way down to something like "Filming used a double-camera setup, with two operators, one a longstanding collaborator of Yevin's. Yevin described the environment on set as experimental and visually creative." (Or something along those lines!)
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Much emphasis is placed on the alternating points of view of Marta's ordeal to reinforce antagonism, a device that Fast Company's Joe Berkowitz argues forms the film's class consciousness.. Maybe split into two, use the first sentence to explain the thing the film does and the second sentence is "Joe Berkowitz argues that this device forms..." ?
I changed most of the instances of "Rian" back to "Johnson". There is little real possibility of confusion between the director and the composer outside of the section on the music, where I have retained the first names. - 170.213.22.118 ( talk) 23:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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The ninth book in the original Choose Your Own Adventure series was a murder mystery with a very similar plot called “Who Killed Harlowe Thrombey?” The victim’s name in this film is Harlan Thrombey. There is NO WAY that’s a coincidence. 97.116.72.212 ( talk) 08:09, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
@ LWRH:Spoilers in the plot section are allowed on Wikipeda. Please stop removing content from the page without proper justification. Nemov ( talk) 17:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Nemov: Incorrect Spoilers in the plot section are not allowed on Wikipeda. Please stop adding unconfirmed and incorrect information. LWRH
@ Nemov: At least have the conviction to write you have only seen the movie once and you might have written incorrect spoilers LWRH
@ Nemov: They are not correct. I want to get an admin involved. I don't know who these people are that you keep referring to. Why do you want to ruin this film by stating the wrong information? LWRH
I::: LWRH, if you think there are issues with the plot, then you need to discuss your specific concerns here. – wallyfromdilbert ( talk) 18:08, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Regardless I do not want another Once Upon a Time in Hollywood situation on our hands. cause this was a bit embarrassing. Rusted AutoParts 18:14, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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Add comedy film to the opening sentence, as this film is a mystery-comedy. Jgwilliams873 ( talk) 20:40, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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Initially I was confused by the sentence ("Filming locations included Marlborough, Natick, Wellesley, Maynard, Waltham, and Canton.[26][27][28]") in the " Filming" [sub-] section, because it contains a list of towns that sounded like they -- (some ... or all? ... of them?) -- might be in Mass., ... but I was not sure.
Then I saw that the previous sentence ("Principal photography began on October 30, 2018, in Boston, Massachusetts and wrapped on December 20, 2018.[23][24][25]") does tell me what state the movie was filmed in, and does mention "Boston".
(Note that, at https://www.thecinemaholic.com/where-was-knives-out-filmed/ it says [in part] that Boston is "where most of the movie was shot", and ... IMHO it might be advisable to include that info -- including the phrase "where most of the movie was shot" -- in the " Filming" [sub-] section. YMMV...) (... with or without including [a "ref" tag, for] a footnote containing that URL.)
As a minimum, it seems to me that Medfield -- which is also mentioned prominently [right after Boston] in that https://www.thecinemaholic.com/where-was-knives-out-filmed/ source -- should also be included in the list of towns in the second sentence.
These changes are based upon (and hence relative to) the currently latest ["11:06, "24 November 2019"] version of the (" Knives Out (film)") article.
I suggest to change [the second sentence in the " Filming" [sub-] section] ... FROM [1]
TO [2]
or at least TO [2a]
...Where no changes after the word "Marlborough" are being suggested.
(unless you count the stuff under "Background:" ... but I don't think you do. [right?] )
(Well, maybe you count the comment about << "(... with or without including [a "ref" tag, for] a footnote containing that URL.)" >> ... [do you?] )
I hope this suggestion is UNAMBIGUOUS enough.
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PS: There are at least 2 places (in the last sentence of the lede, -- right before the " Knives_Out_(film)#Plot" section -- and in the second sentence of the " Knives_Out_(film)#Release" section of the article) [see the " version" info above... if nec.] where it still refers to the release date ("November 27, 2019") using the present tense.
(Actually. saying "is scheduled to be theatrically released on" is a way of wording it, that is kinda like a "future" tense in some ways; ... but I think technically [grammar wise] it's the present tense.)
Since it is now "November 28, 2019" in some time zones (e.g., EST) (equals UTC minus 0500), maybe the "is scheduled to be" there, should be changed to "was scheduled to be" ... OR maybe even, to [just] "was".
Any comments? -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 03:39, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
In the first sentence of the final paragraph of the plot section, where it says "forcing Ransom to admit his crimes," the word choice is incorrect. It should be "causing" rather than "forcing." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.61.124.50 ( talk) 07:36, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
As of right now, the 'production' section finishes with the sentence...
What does this sentence have to do with Knives Out? I'm deleting it. If someone else can show relevance, they can put it right on back Robbmonster ( talk) 04:08, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Is there any information as to why Walt has a (presumably) broken leg and hobbles round in a surgical boot with a stick, which he sometimes bangs on the ground with anger? It's not explained in the film. Did they decide on it to show the character's ineffectual personality? Had Michael Shannon broken his leg in real life? Paulturtle ( talk) 03:35, 7 December 2019 (UTC) Found an interview online in which Shannon talks about Walt being "not fully formed" as he has always been under his father's shadow, but nothing about the surgical boot. Paulturtle ( talk) 04:14, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
This suggests that it's to symbolise that Walt is "not fully functional" (and there was nothing wrong with Shannon's leg in real life) https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/conversations-consequence-knives-rian-johnson-050047532.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI8yEcCU6-zlCZU4CNwQfKEJO3LeSmxLoYS7EyA8O55PxA03NdWUJAiG7lp4jDOIiCdRb8LQAJaBzVn7X2BJyXYsCfD_HQ4YuLb951sNu_rMkGW6D3mrxDn6s_rkv-2YBkADMnn2o2rQlvJrO2ONH7xWODt_D-qGwb82f7udstiY
Paulturtle ( talk) 04:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Ajd: it looks like we disagree on whether a few small elements are necessary. Here's my take:
Harlan gives Marta instructions to create a false alibi to avoid suspicion for causing his death. This is obvious - people only use false alibis to avoid suspicion. We don't need to explain this.
As they search the property, Marta attempts to conceal evidence.Marta conceals evidence. How successful she is doesn't matter here.
In the present, Blanc questions Marta. Marta cannot lie without vomiting, and so she gives true but incomplete answers.This is clear without the "true" part - the clear implication is that she avoids lying by not telling the whole story.
Popcornduff ( talk) 22:15, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Harlan gave Marta instructions to create a false alibi to avoid suspicion for causing his death and then slit his own throat.We have two infinitive "to"s and a "for" here in sequence, which is kinda clunky, and then the "slit his own throat" is hard to pick up with. I still think writing this flashback in the present tense (introducing it with "the night before") is the simplest solution.
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I'll move this here since @ Wallyfromdilbert: would rather keep reverting my edits. "Illegal immigration" is the most widely used term. It's also the accepted term on Wikipedia. Not all undocumented immigration is illegal, and not all illegal immigration is undocumented. Before making this change I researched the Illegal immigration article and users have attempted to change the page to "Undocumented Immigration." Those attempts have failed to gain consensus. "Undocumented Immigrant" is neither precise or the most widely used term. In order to maintain consistency my edit should stand. If a user wants to call "Illegal Immigration" something else please find consensus to change the Illegal immigration article title. Thanks! Nemov ( talk) 00:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
a partisan source whose statements should be attributed. In addition, an abundance of reliable sources (i.e., The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Hollywood Reporter, The Washington Post, Vanity Fair) refer to the character as undocumented, so due weight should be given to the term. KyleJoan talk 05:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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Comment Why was a third opinion requested when the discussion has already obtained three users' opinions? KyleJoan talk 13:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
"Marta, seemingly by accident, administered him an overdose of morphine" means 'Marta administered an overdose, and it seems like it was an accident.' That's not what happened; as it turns out, she didn't administer an overdose. "Marta apparently accidentally administered him an overdose of morphine" means 'it seems like Marta administered an overdose,' which is true, and compatible with the fact that she actually didn't. AJD ( talk) 16:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
i did not like the wording of this summary regarding the "overdose" so i adjusted it. i literally just watched the movie, then read the wiki and felt that line was off. — Preceding
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apparently sounds stupid. whoever undid my changes that maybe added 15 characters or so is either some edit nazi or is so someone who is mad their poor sentence in that summary was changed — Preceding
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Added film, Woman of Straw, with young character who murders his wealthy uncle at his mansion for his money. He manipulates the immigrant nurse who becomes the suspect. Detective is brought in to solve it. See also is a template for readers to connect them to similar pages. This helps the reader. It's not a big addition. Literally what See Also is intended for. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy ( talk) 15:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic. So, you should present reliable sources here that cover the similarities between these two films, in order for it to be included in a See also section and be properly integrated into the article body sometime in the future. — El Millo ( talk) 16:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Whether this was intended or not, the movie seemed to incorporate a clever two-way homage to Sherlock Holmes The Adventure of Silver Blaze, in which the crucial clue was dog NOT barking in the night as it knew the person. Knives Out starts with the dogs. They bark at Ransom, but not at Marta, both ways important to the story, unlike the Holmes story, where only one way mattered. JohnMashey ( talk) 21:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
theories about dogs barking. We're all free not to comment. KyleJoan talk 01:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Please can the MRC credit be moved from the distributed by category to the production company category. MRC is not a distributor. They only fund and produce movies. That's like saying New Regency or Village Roadshow are distributors because the credits say from 20th Century and New Regency or from Warner Bros. and Village Roadshow. They are just studios that co-produced the movies and not actual distributors. 105.112.58.9 ( talk) 11:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Per BILLING BLOCK: "Lionsgate and MRC present..."For reference, the billing block can be found at the bottom of this poster. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 16:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
At least according to imdb, Glass Onion will be in (limited??) distribution in theaters as of tomorrow a month before going on Netflix. Hope to verify this in person. ELSchissel ( talk) 15:38, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
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InfiniteNexus ( talk) 17:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
The film was released in 2019, but why is it still in Category:Upcoming films?! ⇒ Aram Talk 16:06, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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Reviewer: LEvalyn ( talk · contribs) 21:47, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
I realised I should probably say something before I dive right into all the bullet points! Overall this looks like a very thorough and polished article that I expect will very soon make for an excellent Good Article. I typically prefer to make very minor prose edits and simple fixes myself, rather than bother you with the rigamarole of writing a whole bullet point to the effect of "in such-and-such paragraph, the year should be 2019 instead of 2018", so you'll likely see me puttering on the article a bit as I work my way through the review. Naturally, feel free to continue editing yourself, and to discuss any of the suggestions I make below, at any point in the review. I look forward to working together!
Bergman was already conducting the location scouting while Rian prepared the script.-- this would be clearer if it mentioned a date to ground it in time (e.g., in 2018...?) but also, the cited source doesn't say anything that about location scouting so I tagged this as "failed verification."
One report circulated by Deadline claimed that Creative Artists Agency and FilmNation hosted an auction of the script at the 43rd Toronto International Film Festival to various investors, including MRC, which it secured by outbidding all offers with a hefty proposal.The cited Deadline report says that the film's distribution was made available to bids from distributors in various countries, and makes no mention whatosever of MRC. If Johnson has felt the need to dispute this account, I'm sure there's somebody out there who claimed there was an auction, but this section needs to be revisited for accuracy.
By January 2020, the film's domestic gross topped $130 million.The cited source is from February 2020 and simply doesn't say that.
She confesses to Blanc, though Ransom has already implicated her. I can't remember if Marta is aware that Ransom has implicated her or not, e.g., does she think she's deciding or is she just giving up? This sentence suggest the second, but the next sentence really emphasizes the "decided to". Something shorter and simpler might be clearer here.
The first shift arranges the plot as a thriller...to a new section, called something like "Mystery genre" in the "Themes" section. (Also, the explanation jumps right from the "first" shift to the "final" shift but should there be more shifts in there?) For a GA, I think that one paragraph is enough for a "mystery genre" section, though I'm sure there's lots out there if you wanted to keep expanding with FAC in mind.
Rian approached the filming with a double-camera setup, appointing two operators to complete the task. While the camera interactions in this setup were known to yield frustrating results on other shoots, the setup proved reliable for the producers because they had the freedom to experiment with their filmmaking methods.To be very nitpicky: per the source, Johnson didn't appoint the operators, the DP did, and the film producers had nothing to do with any of it. The source itself quotes the DP as saying
"On some projects, the interaction between A- and B-cameras can be a frustration," he says. "But, with Rian's approach, it's nothing but a joy. We found some really cool shots, and did fun stuff". That's a comment on interpersonal relationships: sometimes it's annoying to manage multiple operators, but Johnson is fun to work for. No mention of reliable results for the producers. I'd suggest stripping this way down to something like "Filming used a double-camera setup, with two operators, one a longstanding collaborator of Yevin's. Yevin described the environment on set as experimental and visually creative." (Or something along those lines!)
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Much emphasis is placed on the alternating points of view of Marta's ordeal to reinforce antagonism, a device that Fast Company's Joe Berkowitz argues forms the film's class consciousness.. Maybe split into two, use the first sentence to explain the thing the film does and the second sentence is "Joe Berkowitz argues that this device forms..." ?
I changed most of the instances of "Rian" back to "Johnson". There is little real possibility of confusion between the director and the composer outside of the section on the music, where I have retained the first names. - 170.213.22.118 ( talk) 23:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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151.71.237.22 (pretty sure you won't get a ping, but oh well). Your revert to put the full expansion of CPR in the article on first use is not such a bad edit in my view, but the case has been well made by another editor that CPR is commonly know by its abbreviation and not in full. The advice in
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I self reverted the change myself because that clearly applies for CPR. I am not sure it accords with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, but the editors putting it back are clearly following Wikipedia's guidance. I don't think this is a hill to die on. Plenty of other sloppy use of abbreviations to consider elsewhere.
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