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Does anyone know the origin of the name "IBERIA" as it pertains to Georgia?
There are several, and often contradictory, arguments regarding the origin of the name as it pertains to SPAIN. I wondered if I could find some linguistic link that would bind the two, however apart geographically, but in the case of the Georgian "Iberia" - I'm drawing a blank, online. All I find is information that Georgia was so called in antiquity, but not WHY. (unsigned comment added by 67.0.114.28)
It strikes me a lot. Still more, since I remember reading somewhere that the basque language has been linked to Georgia too. I wish the link can be clarified. -- euyyn 22:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
From Iberian Peninsula: "The Greeks are responsible for the name Iberia, after the river Iber ( Ebro)." -- euyyn 22:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
And from Basque language: "Georgian: The Georgian hypothesis, linking Basque to South Caucasian or Kartvelian languages, seems now widely discredited." Ooooohhhh, he he -- euyyn 10:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Good news: [1] to be taken with a wagonload of salt (of the earth)-- 87.162.27.103 ( talk) 11:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
QUOTE: "Relations between the two countries seem to have been friendly at first, as Iberia cooperated in Persian campaigns against Rome, and the Iberian king Amazasp II (185-189) was listed as a high dignitary of the Sassanian realm, not a vassal who had been subdued by force of arms."
How could Amazasp been listed as a dignitary of the Sassanian realm, when Persia was still a vassal of Parthia? Perhaps Amazasp was confused with another, later king, maybe Amazasp III?
ro4444, August 8, 2005 3:31 PM EST
Thanks ro4444 for your remark. It was really Amazasp III who reigned in the 260s. Kober
I've removed this image because:
I took an image of the piece myself, which is at Commons. -- Zaqarbal 18:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
"Iberian" peninsula comes from the name of the Iber (Ebro) river.
Also, most speculation and purported similarities between Basque and Caucasian languages focused on Northeast (Nakh-Dagestanian) languages; Kartvelian, which is forms another language family, is not considered as similar. KelilanK 20:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Bold text origini of name? IBERIA I would rather start from the farthest end..:) when did the Celts or Cimmerians begin migrating into Europe? And from where did they come? Today’s Celtic survivors (very few among whom are Irish and Scotts) have VERY close ties with Ibers! Considering the fact that thy were know as the Celtiberri or Celtiberians it becomes more interesting..The origin of the name (if only the name?) of Irland. Eire-land ("Eire" being what the Irish call it) came from "Erin." The Romans called it Hibernia or Ivernia. It sometimes appears as Iberon. (Georgian Kingdoms were known to the Greeks as Iberia or Iveria) The late Harvard professor Barry Fell wrote, "One of the ancient names of Ireland is Ibheriu, pronounced as Iveriu, a fact that suggests that the word is derived from a still-earlier pronunciation, Iberiu. Talking about Scotland we should mention an ancient kingdom of Alba that corresponds to today’s Scotland. It is argued that Alba derives its name from the Caucasian Albania! (At least many scholars argue this but more work needs to be done to shed any light on the subject). Before assimilation and fall under Urartu Kingdom, Caucassian Albania was a home for Ibero-Caucassian people. Their migration might’ve taken place in early 1st millennia BC. According to Strabo (btw who’s mother was Georgians!:) by the 1st century there were no ‘real’ Albanians left in the region. They were assimilated by Armenians, Medes, etc.
Etruscans (Italics) before the Romans assimilation were also Iberian. Many sources directly call Italic people as Iberian. Many Etruscan language although officially labeled as ‘isolate’ has too many similarities with Iberian (considering the fact that we know so little about both of them.. ) but Basque is also a language isolate – so linguists do have to work harder to figure these all out. (k, here is the place for a little Georgian pride:)))) Kartvelian (Georgian) language with it’s 3 dialects (actually independent Georgian languages) form ALONE a linguistic SUPER FAMILY according to majority of linguists. There are no disputes whatsoever about placing Georgian language in the ethnologue classification on the higher level than Indo-European family!!)
Talking about the origin of the name for Georgian Iberia- 'Hecataeus, Herodotus, Xenophon, Strabo and others, the tribe of the Tibareni (Tibarenoi in Greek) lived in the north of the territory of Tabal. Tabal, Tubal, Jabal and Jubal to be ancient Georgian tribal designations. Many authors, following the Romanized Jewish author Josephus (1st century AD), related the name Tubal to Iber. “Concerning the question of the ethnic affinity of the population of Tubal, Josephus wrote: "Tobal gave rise to the Thobeles, who are now called Iberes". This version was repeated by Patriarch Eustathius of Antioch, Bishop Theodoret, and others.”
Can anyone remove this line "cris is funny looken"? Someone put this in early history and it don`t seen related. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.11.154.2 ( talk) 17:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I've put a new identical map of Iberia (with Colchis), as the older picture showed it as well, but the user: Kwamikagami is changing it back all the time. I repeat, again the older and newer ones are the same and identical and why is this user edit waring with me here. Please, take a look at this map and tell me if you have anything against this newer map I am putting. NEW MAP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Early_Georgian_States_Colchis_And_Iberia.svg I support putting this map than the older one. Tell me what you think. GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 10:39, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
The number of footnotes in the first paragraph renders it virtually unreadable. Would it be possible to combine the strings in a note? Cynwolfe ( talk) 00:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Iberia and Colchis, both, were ethnic Georgian kingdoms.
Iberia was eastern Georgian kingdom when Colchis was western Georgian kingdom of Svans and Mingrelians.
Stop vandalising the article and stop removing the sourced information. GEORGIANJORJADZE 09:27, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
I am proposing to move this article to Iberia (Kartli) as it needs to have its Georgian name as the kingdom was a Georgian one and needs to have its own name within the article name. GEORGIANJORJADZE 23:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 04:41, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Caucasian Iberia →
Kingdom of Iberia – It's original name is Iberia or Kingdom of Iberia and not Caucasian Iberia as the name has no connection at all with it and is artificially made up so I suggest we move it. Thanks.
Jaqeli (
talk) 23:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Why this article don't mention them ? İberia was ruling Albania and Armenia in their times. Meambokhe ( talk) 08:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Greetings User:Awibs. For moves the WP:MOVE should be utilized. Also the names are different for those two polities and dates are incorrect. Please discuss before the moves. I appreciate your feedback. An emperor /// Ave 01:37, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
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Does anyone know the origin of the name "IBERIA" as it pertains to Georgia?
There are several, and often contradictory, arguments regarding the origin of the name as it pertains to SPAIN. I wondered if I could find some linguistic link that would bind the two, however apart geographically, but in the case of the Georgian "Iberia" - I'm drawing a blank, online. All I find is information that Georgia was so called in antiquity, but not WHY. (unsigned comment added by 67.0.114.28)
It strikes me a lot. Still more, since I remember reading somewhere that the basque language has been linked to Georgia too. I wish the link can be clarified. -- euyyn 22:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
From Iberian Peninsula: "The Greeks are responsible for the name Iberia, after the river Iber ( Ebro)." -- euyyn 22:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
And from Basque language: "Georgian: The Georgian hypothesis, linking Basque to South Caucasian or Kartvelian languages, seems now widely discredited." Ooooohhhh, he he -- euyyn 10:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Good news: [1] to be taken with a wagonload of salt (of the earth)-- 87.162.27.103 ( talk) 11:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
QUOTE: "Relations between the two countries seem to have been friendly at first, as Iberia cooperated in Persian campaigns against Rome, and the Iberian king Amazasp II (185-189) was listed as a high dignitary of the Sassanian realm, not a vassal who had been subdued by force of arms."
How could Amazasp been listed as a dignitary of the Sassanian realm, when Persia was still a vassal of Parthia? Perhaps Amazasp was confused with another, later king, maybe Amazasp III?
ro4444, August 8, 2005 3:31 PM EST
Thanks ro4444 for your remark. It was really Amazasp III who reigned in the 260s. Kober
I've removed this image because:
I took an image of the piece myself, which is at Commons. -- Zaqarbal 18:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
"Iberian" peninsula comes from the name of the Iber (Ebro) river.
Also, most speculation and purported similarities between Basque and Caucasian languages focused on Northeast (Nakh-Dagestanian) languages; Kartvelian, which is forms another language family, is not considered as similar. KelilanK 20:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Bold text origini of name? IBERIA I would rather start from the farthest end..:) when did the Celts or Cimmerians begin migrating into Europe? And from where did they come? Today’s Celtic survivors (very few among whom are Irish and Scotts) have VERY close ties with Ibers! Considering the fact that thy were know as the Celtiberri or Celtiberians it becomes more interesting..The origin of the name (if only the name?) of Irland. Eire-land ("Eire" being what the Irish call it) came from "Erin." The Romans called it Hibernia or Ivernia. It sometimes appears as Iberon. (Georgian Kingdoms were known to the Greeks as Iberia or Iveria) The late Harvard professor Barry Fell wrote, "One of the ancient names of Ireland is Ibheriu, pronounced as Iveriu, a fact that suggests that the word is derived from a still-earlier pronunciation, Iberiu. Talking about Scotland we should mention an ancient kingdom of Alba that corresponds to today’s Scotland. It is argued that Alba derives its name from the Caucasian Albania! (At least many scholars argue this but more work needs to be done to shed any light on the subject). Before assimilation and fall under Urartu Kingdom, Caucassian Albania was a home for Ibero-Caucassian people. Their migration might’ve taken place in early 1st millennia BC. According to Strabo (btw who’s mother was Georgians!:) by the 1st century there were no ‘real’ Albanians left in the region. They were assimilated by Armenians, Medes, etc.
Etruscans (Italics) before the Romans assimilation were also Iberian. Many sources directly call Italic people as Iberian. Many Etruscan language although officially labeled as ‘isolate’ has too many similarities with Iberian (considering the fact that we know so little about both of them.. ) but Basque is also a language isolate – so linguists do have to work harder to figure these all out. (k, here is the place for a little Georgian pride:)))) Kartvelian (Georgian) language with it’s 3 dialects (actually independent Georgian languages) form ALONE a linguistic SUPER FAMILY according to majority of linguists. There are no disputes whatsoever about placing Georgian language in the ethnologue classification on the higher level than Indo-European family!!)
Talking about the origin of the name for Georgian Iberia- 'Hecataeus, Herodotus, Xenophon, Strabo and others, the tribe of the Tibareni (Tibarenoi in Greek) lived in the north of the territory of Tabal. Tabal, Tubal, Jabal and Jubal to be ancient Georgian tribal designations. Many authors, following the Romanized Jewish author Josephus (1st century AD), related the name Tubal to Iber. “Concerning the question of the ethnic affinity of the population of Tubal, Josephus wrote: "Tobal gave rise to the Thobeles, who are now called Iberes". This version was repeated by Patriarch Eustathius of Antioch, Bishop Theodoret, and others.”
Can anyone remove this line "cris is funny looken"? Someone put this in early history and it don`t seen related. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.11.154.2 ( talk) 17:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I've put a new identical map of Iberia (with Colchis), as the older picture showed it as well, but the user: Kwamikagami is changing it back all the time. I repeat, again the older and newer ones are the same and identical and why is this user edit waring with me here. Please, take a look at this map and tell me if you have anything against this newer map I am putting. NEW MAP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Early_Georgian_States_Colchis_And_Iberia.svg I support putting this map than the older one. Tell me what you think. GeorgianJorjadze ( talk) 10:39, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
The number of footnotes in the first paragraph renders it virtually unreadable. Would it be possible to combine the strings in a note? Cynwolfe ( talk) 00:00, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Iberia and Colchis, both, were ethnic Georgian kingdoms.
Iberia was eastern Georgian kingdom when Colchis was western Georgian kingdom of Svans and Mingrelians.
Stop vandalising the article and stop removing the sourced information. GEORGIANJORJADZE 09:27, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
I am proposing to move this article to Iberia (Kartli) as it needs to have its Georgian name as the kingdom was a Georgian one and needs to have its own name within the article name. GEORGIANJORJADZE 23:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 04:41, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Caucasian Iberia →
Kingdom of Iberia – It's original name is Iberia or Kingdom of Iberia and not Caucasian Iberia as the name has no connection at all with it and is artificially made up so I suggest we move it. Thanks.
Jaqeli (
talk) 23:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.Why this article don't mention them ? İberia was ruling Albania and Armenia in their times. Meambokhe ( talk) 08:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Greetings User:Awibs. For moves the WP:MOVE should be utilized. Also the names are different for those two polities and dates are incorrect. Please discuss before the moves. I appreciate your feedback. An emperor /// Ave 01:37, 14 February 2022 (UTC)