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 | On 29 October 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Shooting of Alton Sterling to Killing of Alton Sterling. The result of the discussion was moved. |
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Supporting arguments are leaning on WP:DEATHS (see the flowchart) which indicates "Killing" should be used when there is not an alternative common name consistently used among sources, unless there is a murder conviction involved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 17:13, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Shooting of Alton Sterling → Killing of Alton Sterling – Per WP:DEATHS. Sterling's death was a homicide, as he was fatally shot. 162 etc. ( talk) 16:06, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support, as per WP:DEATHS, the manner in which they died is typically only used for the article title if it was non-fatal. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Not ruled to be any form of criminal homicide. Shot in self-defence. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 16:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- The Louisiana Attorney General's report found that the officers were "justified in their use of force"
[1], but doesn't specifically address self-defence.
162 etc. (
talk)
16:36, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Killing doesn't mean criminal homicide. This was a homicide in the medicolegal sense though. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- The Louisiana Attorney General's report found that the officers were "justified in their use of force"
[1], but doesn't specifically address self-defence.
162 etc. (
talk)
16:36, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Per WP:DEATHS EvergreenFir (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose: An unnecessary title change for a spur-of-the-moment act of self-defense, not a pre-planned mission to kill, as far as the official outcome is concerned. — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- Support with my reasons mostly matching
WP:DEATHS. I don't see BarrelProof's points being relevant here, as I don't view self-defense or pre-planning to factor into whether someone was killed or not. Looking at Google News results: Killing of Alton Sterling is consistent with other articles because it's supported by WP:DEATHS, it's commonly used in sources, it's more precise than Shooting of Alton Sterling, and more concise than Fatal shooting of or Fatal police shooting of. It's at least equally recognizable and natural, and is therefore an improvement when looking at the WP:CRITERIA. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 16:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- "killing of Alton Sterling" has about 2,000 hits
- "shooting of Alton Sterling" has about 2,300 hits but
- "fatal shooting of Alton Brown accounts for about 1,000 hits and
- "fatal police shooting of Alton Brown" covers about 700 hits
- Support - Per WP:DEATHS. Combefere ❯❯❯ Talk 02:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Very simply, he was a known felon, selling bootleg CD's with a loaded revolver. So, if it makes you feel better to see that he was murdered, go ahead. 2600:8807:E8E:2400:E102:D595:464D:D26A ( talk) 02:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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| On 29 October 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Shooting of Alton Sterling to Killing of Alton Sterling. The result of the discussion was moved. |
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Supporting arguments are leaning on WP:DEATHS (see the flowchart) which indicates "Killing" should be used when there is not an alternative common name consistently used among sources, unless there is a murder conviction involved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 17:13, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Shooting of Alton Sterling → Killing of Alton Sterling – Per WP:DEATHS. Sterling's death was a homicide, as he was fatally shot. 162 etc. ( talk) 16:06, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support, as per WP:DEATHS, the manner in which they died is typically only used for the article title if it was non-fatal. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Not ruled to be any form of criminal homicide. Shot in self-defence. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 16:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- The Louisiana Attorney General's report found that the officers were "justified in their use of force"
[1], but doesn't specifically address self-defence.
162 etc. (
talk)
16:36, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Killing doesn't mean criminal homicide. This was a homicide in the medicolegal sense though. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- The Louisiana Attorney General's report found that the officers were "justified in their use of force"
[1], but doesn't specifically address self-defence.
162 etc. (
talk)
16:36, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Per WP:DEATHS EvergreenFir (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose: An unnecessary title change for a spur-of-the-moment act of self-defense, not a pre-planned mission to kill, as far as the official outcome is concerned. — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- Support with my reasons mostly matching
WP:DEATHS. I don't see BarrelProof's points being relevant here, as I don't view self-defense or pre-planning to factor into whether someone was killed or not. Looking at Google News results: Killing of Alton Sterling is consistent with other articles because it's supported by WP:DEATHS, it's commonly used in sources, it's more precise than Shooting of Alton Sterling, and more concise than Fatal shooting of or Fatal police shooting of. It's at least equally recognizable and natural, and is therefore an improvement when looking at the WP:CRITERIA. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 16:57, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- "killing of Alton Sterling" has about 2,000 hits
- "shooting of Alton Sterling" has about 2,300 hits but
- "fatal shooting of Alton Brown accounts for about 1,000 hits and
- "fatal police shooting of Alton Brown" covers about 700 hits
- Support - Per WP:DEATHS. Combefere ❯❯❯ Talk 02:33, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Very simply, he was a known felon, selling bootleg CD's with a loaded revolver. So, if it makes you feel better to see that he was murdered, go ahead. 2600:8807:E8E:2400:E102:D595:464D:D26A ( talk) 02:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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