The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Keiji Nishioka, a Japanese botanist, was the first foreigner to receive the
Bhutanese honorific Dasho?
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TryKid: If you see this, as I know you will, here are some things I'm still not satisfied with. See what you can do about it.
I've deliberately not included the date when Nishioka got the Druk Thugsey medal, because some sources say he got it in 1990 while some others say it was given posthumously in 1999 with his wife collecting it.
Pictures. I have yet to find a single picture of the man that is clear, copyright-free and is not the cover of a book. Or we'll have to resort to Fair Use again.
That's it, really. See what you can do to improve it. Oh, and add the marriage date for Satoko in the infobox (with that underlined "m.", idk how to do it and I need to sleep...)
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Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: I came across Dasho after reading two reviews of the book "Dasho Keiji Nishioka: A Japanese who lived for Bhutan", those reviewers give the date of Druk Thugsey as 1999 (posthumously) so the book probably has that date too. So 1999 is probably the correct date but we can't be sure so it's probably best not to include it until we have confirmation. About the pictures, I don't think we're going to get a copyright free picture of Dasho as he died in 1992, free use is probably the only option. I've added the marriage template (that infobox column is now overflowing a bit on my mobile but that probably doesn't matter). Regards,
TryKiddubious –
discuss19:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Also, the
Chorten and the Museum built in his memory are two different things. They may have been built around the same time at the 50th anniversary of Japanese cooperation with Bhutan in 2014, causing the confusion.
this Facebook post seemingly refers to them as two different entities. A JICA newsletter confirms that the Chorten is located at National Seed Center which the JICA President visited, while the Museum is located at Agriculture Machinery Center and was inaugurated by the JICA President.
TryKiddubious –
discuss22:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
In
this tweet, Tenzing Lamsang, the editor of
The Bhutanese, corrects his Facebook post (which gave Druk Thugsey date as 1990) to say that he actually got it posthumously in 1999 and his wife collected it. So, the 1999 date perhaps really is the correct one. Regards,
TryKiddubious –
discuss10:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)reply
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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As part of handling the Agriculture, food, and drink part of the GA nomination, I will be reviewing this article. Note that my time zone is
UTC+7. GeraldWL17:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, images are appropriate, article has stable recent history, no ORs, all sources are great, and no copyright violations. I would note, though, that some statements have two citations supporting it-- I suggest relocating to the specific claim(s) it supports if that is appropriate. GeraldWL11:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, in "Awards and titles," the first sentence is supported by three citations. Did a check, and apparently citation 10 is already enough to support the whole sentence, per quote: In 1980, His Majesty the fourth Druk Gyalpo awarded the red-scarf and conferred the title of Dasho to him in recognition of his selfless and dedicated services to the people of Bhutan in the field of agriculture development. Suggest removing 8 and 9. GeraldWL16:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
"creating Sonamthang village"-- suggest "creating the Sonamthang village for more natural reading flow. Ignore if simply Sonamthang is preferred linguistically. GeraldWL13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Forgive me if I don't know anything, but what do you mean by "He was survived"? I've seen this statement in other articles as well and am confused. GeraldWL13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
"it is known as the Nishioka zam"-- perhaps clarify what "Nishioka zam" meant-- suggest having a footnote with the translated meaning, or some other way. GeraldWL13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, the see also section is kinda vague. The two can be linked right at the body, at "its agricultural sector" and "bilateral relations between Japan and Bhutan" (Life in Bhutan), respectively. Linking at the prose where possible is more space-efficient. GeraldWL15:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Caption reads "Keiji Nishioka in July 1989." In style of other articles, suggest ommiting "Keiji," as the full name is identified at the infobox header. GeraldWL13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, and it has passed. Congrats! I love this article being nominated for GA, because its prose (especially the Death section) is short and dynamic, which shows new editors that as long as notability is qualified and you write it with genuinity, even short articles can be a good one, and can even stand out among larger ones. GeraldWL16:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Gerald, thank you! I'm glad that you seem to have had at least as much fun as I did editing about a relatively obscure Japanese botanist who worked in Bhutan and has been dead 28 years. Short-ish articles definitely need more recognition - they can, with the right kind of work, be like the
London Beer Flood article, which is an FA. Cheers and best wishes,
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVIconverse |
fings wot i hav dun16:31, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Keiji Nishioka, a Japanese botanist, was the first foreigner to receive the
Bhutanese honorific Dasho?
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TryKid: If you see this, as I know you will, here are some things I'm still not satisfied with. See what you can do about it.
I've deliberately not included the date when Nishioka got the Druk Thugsey medal, because some sources say he got it in 1990 while some others say it was given posthumously in 1999 with his wife collecting it.
Pictures. I have yet to find a single picture of the man that is clear, copyright-free and is not the cover of a book. Or we'll have to resort to Fair Use again.
That's it, really. See what you can do to improve it. Oh, and add the marriage date for Satoko in the infobox (with that underlined "m.", idk how to do it and I need to sleep...)
@
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: I came across Dasho after reading two reviews of the book "Dasho Keiji Nishioka: A Japanese who lived for Bhutan", those reviewers give the date of Druk Thugsey as 1999 (posthumously) so the book probably has that date too. So 1999 is probably the correct date but we can't be sure so it's probably best not to include it until we have confirmation. About the pictures, I don't think we're going to get a copyright free picture of Dasho as he died in 1992, free use is probably the only option. I've added the marriage template (that infobox column is now overflowing a bit on my mobile but that probably doesn't matter). Regards,
TryKiddubious –
discuss19:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Also, the
Chorten and the Museum built in his memory are two different things. They may have been built around the same time at the 50th anniversary of Japanese cooperation with Bhutan in 2014, causing the confusion.
this Facebook post seemingly refers to them as two different entities. A JICA newsletter confirms that the Chorten is located at National Seed Center which the JICA President visited, while the Museum is located at Agriculture Machinery Center and was inaugurated by the JICA President.
TryKiddubious –
discuss22:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)reply
In
this tweet, Tenzing Lamsang, the editor of
The Bhutanese, corrects his Facebook post (which gave Druk Thugsey date as 1990) to say that he actually got it posthumously in 1999 and his wife collected it. So, the 1999 date perhaps really is the correct one. Regards,
TryKiddubious –
discuss10:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)reply
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
As part of handling the Agriculture, food, and drink part of the GA nomination, I will be reviewing this article. Note that my time zone is
UTC+7. GeraldWL17:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, images are appropriate, article has stable recent history, no ORs, all sources are great, and no copyright violations. I would note, though, that some statements have two citations supporting it-- I suggest relocating to the specific claim(s) it supports if that is appropriate. GeraldWL11:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, in "Awards and titles," the first sentence is supported by three citations. Did a check, and apparently citation 10 is already enough to support the whole sentence, per quote: In 1980, His Majesty the fourth Druk Gyalpo awarded the red-scarf and conferred the title of Dasho to him in recognition of his selfless and dedicated services to the people of Bhutan in the field of agriculture development. Suggest removing 8 and 9. GeraldWL16:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
"creating Sonamthang village"-- suggest "creating the Sonamthang village for more natural reading flow. Ignore if simply Sonamthang is preferred linguistically. GeraldWL13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Forgive me if I don't know anything, but what do you mean by "He was survived"? I've seen this statement in other articles as well and am confused. GeraldWL13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
"it is known as the Nishioka zam"-- perhaps clarify what "Nishioka zam" meant-- suggest having a footnote with the translated meaning, or some other way. GeraldWL13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, the see also section is kinda vague. The two can be linked right at the body, at "its agricultural sector" and "bilateral relations between Japan and Bhutan" (Life in Bhutan), respectively. Linking at the prose where possible is more space-efficient. GeraldWL15:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Caption reads "Keiji Nishioka in July 1989." In style of other articles, suggest ommiting "Keiji," as the full name is identified at the infobox header. GeraldWL13:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI, and it has passed. Congrats! I love this article being nominated for GA, because its prose (especially the Death section) is short and dynamic, which shows new editors that as long as notability is qualified and you write it with genuinity, even short articles can be a good one, and can even stand out among larger ones. GeraldWL16:23, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Gerald, thank you! I'm glad that you seem to have had at least as much fun as I did editing about a relatively obscure Japanese botanist who worked in Bhutan and has been dead 28 years. Short-ish articles definitely need more recognition - they can, with the right kind of work, be like the
London Beer Flood article, which is an FA. Cheers and best wishes,
Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVIconverse |
fings wot i hav dun16:31, 17 December 2020 (UTC)reply