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I have no problem if miss Carolina Shiino feels 100% Japanese... But I assume she still has nephews and nieces in Ukraine... and her grandparents still live there too I assume. Her profile on Miss Nippon she she likes to volunteer... But her family back in Ukraine is of course not helped very much by her volunteering in Japan; they need Japanese governmental assistance in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Does Shiino says anything about Ukraine? I could not find this information on her feelings about Ukraine in Ukrainian press and her instagram feed is a collection of non-saying photographs. I am not sure if it is worthy to mention in this Wikipedia article but if this Miss Nippon is completely ignoring the horrors that are happening the last 3 years in the country where she was born and where she still has relatives that speaks volumes about her character (meaning she only cares about herself). If she does have done good things for Ukraine that would be very good of course (but (as I said) I can not find an indication that she did). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Many media sources are giving Carolina Shiino a birth year of 1998, but there are others sites that list a specific birth date of 08/24/1997 such as [1] and [2]. Furthermore, Japanese wikipedia has a page ja:カロリーナ_(モデル) in which her birth date is listed as 08/24/1997 and Shiino's own Instagram account [3] contains the numbers 0824. Also, the 08/24/1997 date would be consistent with the age 26 that's been cited in news reports covering her winning of the Miss Nippon title on 01/22/2024 (as opposed to, say, 08/24/1998, which would give an age of 25 even in Japan where kazoedoshi has been deprecated for a long time).— Myasuda ( talk) 22:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Is there any more information about her paternity and or be willing to reword the introduction to be more explicit about her background? Specifically, the wording that she moved to Japan when her mother married a Japanese man implies that her mother's husband is NOT her biological father, i,e., this is not a case of a biracial woman winning a beauty contest. This is the first time I have ever heard of her and she does not look biracial. Kencaesi ( talk) 02:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
She is the first naturalised Japanese citizen to win the pageant.Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 10:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Karolina with a “K” not a “C” AdelineBrd ( talk) 08:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi @ SLIMHANNYA - you claimed in your reasoning that debates surrounding Shiino's victory did not have anti-foreigner sentiment and were about racial/ethnic beauty standards and assertions of this were "original research". [10]
I will first state that since "race" was brought up in your reasoning, "race" is a social construct. I.E - According to this source, some East Asians, like the Han Chinese, identify as being "white" or "white-skinned" because of their light skin (going against common American/Western racial standards). White skin (the Chinese like to consider themselves white)
[11] Secondly, since I suspect some future editors may try removing the sentence again, I've started this section. While sources on the controversy surrounding her win do discuss Shiino's Ukrainian origins and Eurocentric beauty ideals, they also discuss the debate on what it means to be "Japanese", the generally homogeneous culture of Japan and how her "foreignness" plays into that.
Shiino is a naturalized Japanese citizen who is Ukrainian ethnically; she has no Japanese ancestry at all. She isn't even a "hafu" like Ariana Miyamoto or Priyanka Yoshikawa were. The Telegraph source notes internet reactions criticizing how she isn't even part Japanese by descent [12]:
Her Miss Japan victory has sparked debate over “Japaneseness” and shifting demographics [...]
“Even though she is ‘Miss Japan’, where is the Japanese essence?” said one commentator on social media. “This person who was chosen as Miss Japan is not even a mix with Japanese but 100 per cent pure Ukrainian. Understand she is beautiful, but this is ‘Miss Japan’. Where is the Japaneseness?” said another.
Other sources discussing the controversy surrounding her European heritage [13]:
The decision to pick a winner with European heritage has raised questions about beauty standards and what it means to be Japanese.
Another source shows some online support for her win, but notes that some Japanese people aren't happy because of her origins: [14]
Many Japanese people, including people I know, aren’t happy with the choice of Miss Japan. If people keep assessing Japaneseness based on roots and see only those with pure Japanese blood as their own, instead of embracing multiculturalism, Japan will run out of Japanese people
Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 22:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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I have no problem if miss Carolina Shiino feels 100% Japanese... But I assume she still has nephews and nieces in Ukraine... and her grandparents still live there too I assume. Her profile on Miss Nippon she she likes to volunteer... But her family back in Ukraine is of course not helped very much by her volunteering in Japan; they need Japanese governmental assistance in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Does Shiino says anything about Ukraine? I could not find this information on her feelings about Ukraine in Ukrainian press and her instagram feed is a collection of non-saying photographs. I am not sure if it is worthy to mention in this Wikipedia article but if this Miss Nippon is completely ignoring the horrors that are happening the last 3 years in the country where she was born and where she still has relatives that speaks volumes about her character (meaning she only cares about herself). If she does have done good things for Ukraine that would be very good of course (but (as I said) I can not find an indication that she did). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Many media sources are giving Carolina Shiino a birth year of 1998, but there are others sites that list a specific birth date of 08/24/1997 such as [1] and [2]. Furthermore, Japanese wikipedia has a page ja:カロリーナ_(モデル) in which her birth date is listed as 08/24/1997 and Shiino's own Instagram account [3] contains the numbers 0824. Also, the 08/24/1997 date would be consistent with the age 26 that's been cited in news reports covering her winning of the Miss Nippon title on 01/22/2024 (as opposed to, say, 08/24/1998, which would give an age of 25 even in Japan where kazoedoshi has been deprecated for a long time).— Myasuda ( talk) 22:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Is there any more information about her paternity and or be willing to reword the introduction to be more explicit about her background? Specifically, the wording that she moved to Japan when her mother married a Japanese man implies that her mother's husband is NOT her biological father, i,e., this is not a case of a biracial woman winning a beauty contest. This is the first time I have ever heard of her and she does not look biracial. Kencaesi ( talk) 02:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
She is the first naturalised Japanese citizen to win the pageant.Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 10:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Karolina with a “K” not a “C” AdelineBrd ( talk) 08:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi @ SLIMHANNYA - you claimed in your reasoning that debates surrounding Shiino's victory did not have anti-foreigner sentiment and were about racial/ethnic beauty standards and assertions of this were "original research". [10]
I will first state that since "race" was brought up in your reasoning, "race" is a social construct. I.E - According to this source, some East Asians, like the Han Chinese, identify as being "white" or "white-skinned" because of their light skin (going against common American/Western racial standards). White skin (the Chinese like to consider themselves white)
[11] Secondly, since I suspect some future editors may try removing the sentence again, I've started this section. While sources on the controversy surrounding her win do discuss Shiino's Ukrainian origins and Eurocentric beauty ideals, they also discuss the debate on what it means to be "Japanese", the generally homogeneous culture of Japan and how her "foreignness" plays into that.
Shiino is a naturalized Japanese citizen who is Ukrainian ethnically; she has no Japanese ancestry at all. She isn't even a "hafu" like Ariana Miyamoto or Priyanka Yoshikawa were. The Telegraph source notes internet reactions criticizing how she isn't even part Japanese by descent [12]:
Her Miss Japan victory has sparked debate over “Japaneseness” and shifting demographics [...]
“Even though she is ‘Miss Japan’, where is the Japanese essence?” said one commentator on social media. “This person who was chosen as Miss Japan is not even a mix with Japanese but 100 per cent pure Ukrainian. Understand she is beautiful, but this is ‘Miss Japan’. Where is the Japaneseness?” said another.
Other sources discussing the controversy surrounding her European heritage [13]:
The decision to pick a winner with European heritage has raised questions about beauty standards and what it means to be Japanese.
Another source shows some online support for her win, but notes that some Japanese people aren't happy because of her origins: [14]
Many Japanese people, including people I know, aren’t happy with the choice of Miss Japan. If people keep assessing Japaneseness based on roots and see only those with pure Japanese blood as their own, instead of embracing multiculturalism, Japan will run out of Japanese people
Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 22:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)