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This article was nominated for deletion on October 2004. The result of the discussion was keep. |
For an October 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Karafuto Prefecture
I'm still not comfortable calling it a prefecture, because it implies that it has similar standing with the other 47 prefectures in Japan, which it does not. Mike H 20:30, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)
at contrary at yours,in accord with my research with japanese friends and one ancient russian book,Karafuto are always japanese.i considered why the historically mention how Karafuto prefecture are adequate reme mbering of one injust situation,over russian illegaly possesion of one land why not pertaining at theirs.i understand why San Francisco treated,accord the Karafuto and Chisima occupation for Russians are temporary,no permanently and theirs debt to return these territoires to Japan in posterior times.lamentably Russians no belived this and considered why poseyed all rigths for annexed these lands in ilegall form.for this considered why these remembering are totally correct. wlad k 9:18,Feb 12,2005
Reading this, much of the information is either copied wholesale or incredibly similar to the Sakhalin page. I suggest that the information here be reduced and crosslinked to reduce the redundancy. Bo-Lingua 17:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The Ainu names (Karaputo, Karaftu, Kraftu) -- I'm assuming those are forms from different dialects... or are they merely different foreign transcriptions? Since I don't know for sure, I'm not changing this, but someone should really tell the readers what the different forms are all about. (I'm curious about the sources, too; as far as I can tell, Ainu does not allow initial kr- and I haven't heard of a dialect that uses /f/, although I suppose that could be from Japanese influence.)
Also, Tarrakai is "ancient French"? I find that unlikely -- one usually hears of Old French, not "ancient", and I don't think the French knew about Sakhalin or Japan when that was spoken. 24.159.255.29 04:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I forgot -- we should also mention that the name Karafuto comes originally from Ainu, not Japanese. 24.159.255.29 04:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
==Name==
section:The Japanese name Karafuto purportedly comes from Ainu kamuy kar put ya mosir (カムィ・カㇻ・プッ・ヤ・モシㇼ) which means "the island a god has created on the estuary (of Amur River)".
==Name==
section needs further reworking, but I am presently uncertain how best to rewrite. ‑‑
Eiríkr Útlendi │
Tala við mig 21:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)The Karafuto prefecture article needs to be merged into this one and replaced with a redirect. Bendono 16:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Did Karafuto have its own prefectural flag, if so could someone please upload it? Duarcain ( talk) 20:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
This is incorrect. Although a final peace treaty has not been signed, Japan does not challenge the Russian sovereignty over Sakhlin. The dispute is over something else.
Roadrunner ( talk) 19:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Removed again statement about japanese maps This is not supported by the website Roadrunner ( talk) 18:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Removed statement about sovereignty not being transferred. The sovereignty of Karafuto was transferred by the Instrument of Surrender of Japan.
Roadrunner ( talk) 19:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
In 1945, with the defeat of Japan in World War II, the Japanese administration in Karafuto ceased to function, and in 1951, at the Treaty of San Francisco, Japan renounced its rights to Sakhalin. Since that time, the southern part of Sakhalin has been occupied by Russia.
Considering that 99% of Sakhalin's population today are ethnic Russians, I doubt they feel very 'occupied' by their own country, sorry.
Changed it to:
In 1945, with the defeat of Japan in World War II, the Japanese administration in Karafuto ceased to function, and in 1951, at the Treaty of San Francisco, Japan renounced its rights to Sakhalin. Since that time, the southern part of Sakhalin has been a part of Russia.
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This article was nominated for deletion on October 2004. The result of the discussion was keep. |
For an October 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Karafuto Prefecture
I'm still not comfortable calling it a prefecture, because it implies that it has similar standing with the other 47 prefectures in Japan, which it does not. Mike H 20:30, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)
at contrary at yours,in accord with my research with japanese friends and one ancient russian book,Karafuto are always japanese.i considered why the historically mention how Karafuto prefecture are adequate reme mbering of one injust situation,over russian illegaly possesion of one land why not pertaining at theirs.i understand why San Francisco treated,accord the Karafuto and Chisima occupation for Russians are temporary,no permanently and theirs debt to return these territoires to Japan in posterior times.lamentably Russians no belived this and considered why poseyed all rigths for annexed these lands in ilegall form.for this considered why these remembering are totally correct. wlad k 9:18,Feb 12,2005
Reading this, much of the information is either copied wholesale or incredibly similar to the Sakhalin page. I suggest that the information here be reduced and crosslinked to reduce the redundancy. Bo-Lingua 17:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
The Ainu names (Karaputo, Karaftu, Kraftu) -- I'm assuming those are forms from different dialects... or are they merely different foreign transcriptions? Since I don't know for sure, I'm not changing this, but someone should really tell the readers what the different forms are all about. (I'm curious about the sources, too; as far as I can tell, Ainu does not allow initial kr- and I haven't heard of a dialect that uses /f/, although I suppose that could be from Japanese influence.)
Also, Tarrakai is "ancient French"? I find that unlikely -- one usually hears of Old French, not "ancient", and I don't think the French knew about Sakhalin or Japan when that was spoken. 24.159.255.29 04:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I forgot -- we should also mention that the name Karafuto comes originally from Ainu, not Japanese. 24.159.255.29 04:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
==Name==
section:The Japanese name Karafuto purportedly comes from Ainu kamuy kar put ya mosir (カムィ・カㇻ・プッ・ヤ・モシㇼ) which means "the island a god has created on the estuary (of Amur River)".
==Name==
section needs further reworking, but I am presently uncertain how best to rewrite. ‑‑
Eiríkr Útlendi │
Tala við mig 21:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)The Karafuto prefecture article needs to be merged into this one and replaced with a redirect. Bendono 16:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Did Karafuto have its own prefectural flag, if so could someone please upload it? Duarcain ( talk) 20:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
This is incorrect. Although a final peace treaty has not been signed, Japan does not challenge the Russian sovereignty over Sakhlin. The dispute is over something else.
Roadrunner ( talk) 19:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Removed again statement about japanese maps This is not supported by the website Roadrunner ( talk) 18:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Removed statement about sovereignty not being transferred. The sovereignty of Karafuto was transferred by the Instrument of Surrender of Japan.
Roadrunner ( talk) 19:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
In 1945, with the defeat of Japan in World War II, the Japanese administration in Karafuto ceased to function, and in 1951, at the Treaty of San Francisco, Japan renounced its rights to Sakhalin. Since that time, the southern part of Sakhalin has been occupied by Russia.
Considering that 99% of Sakhalin's population today are ethnic Russians, I doubt they feel very 'occupied' by their own country, sorry.
Changed it to:
In 1945, with the defeat of Japan in World War II, the Japanese administration in Karafuto ceased to function, and in 1951, at the Treaty of San Francisco, Japan renounced its rights to Sakhalin. Since that time, the southern part of Sakhalin has been a part of Russia.