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Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality was created by a recently banned sock-puppet and the book, the discredited ideas of one man, is longer than the man's article. What remains notable should go under one article. GPinkerton ( talk) 18:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
* Support merging the two articles. Although I abhor the book's content and the damage I've seen the theory and its implementation cause to so many men, those are my personal thoughts & feelings. Looking at this issue objectively as possible, I must conclude that the book is notable enough that we should cover it in the article about the author. ¶ Kudos to the Wikipedians who investigated the issue and determined that FreeKnowledgeCreator (what a name!) is/was a socky. - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 01:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The first sentence of this article is:
Joseph Nicolosi (January 24, 1947 – March 8, 2017) was an American clinical psychologist who advocated and practised "reparative therapy", a form of the pseudoscientific treatment of conversion therapy that he claimed could help people overcome or mitigate their homosexual desires and replace them with heterosexual ones.
I had edited the sentence to read:
Joseph Nicolosi (January 24, 1947 – March 8, 2017) was an American clinical psychologist who advocated and practised "reparative therapy", a form of conversion therapy that he claimed could help people overcome or mitigate their homosexual desires and replace them with heterosexual ones.
Nfitz made a good faith removal of my edit ( diff), stating, "not sure why is trying to remove same text that banned sockpuppets tried to remove". Two points: (1) I edited the sentence for this reason, as I stated in my edit note: "grammar/usage - clarity of expression". This part of the sentence: "a form of the pseudoscientific treatment of conversion therapy" is (a) duplicative and unnecessary, since the last sentence of the first paragraph emphasizes the pseudoscientific nature of conversion therapies, including "reparative therapy" (as does the wikilinked conversion therapy article); and (b) the sentence is not clear and concise. To avoid back-and-forth edits, I will leave the sentence as is, although I encourage another editor to edit it to make it more clear and concise. ¶ Along with other editors, I had many discussions with FreeKnowledgeCreator (the sockpuppet) about his attempts to sanitize Nicolosi's book (Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality) and present it as acceptable theory. I have no interest whatsoever in minimizing the harmful nature of conversion therapies. - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 18:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
I seek attention about this changes by User:Sxologist. 116.58.201.111 ( talk) 03:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Crossroads: what do you think. Sxologist ( talk) 08:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Can everyone please discuss and give me your opinions about my edits, here is a change, you can also inqure them by checking page history. Love and regards to all. 116.58.200.180 ( talk) 12:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Pinging @ Crossroads: and @ Markworthen: what do you think about the section of Nicolosi's publications? I don't really know if WP:FRINGE applies here, but I believe they may have been added by our favourite now-banned sockpuppet. I'm not really in the business of silencing silly opinions I don't agree with, but Nicolosi didn't use the scientific method nor did he hold post at a university or institute. Perhaps it could just be shortened to his books? For example, the meta analysis is published in Psychological Reports (a pay-to-publish journal that published Paul Cameron). What do you think? Side note: I took a look at the patent for "reintegrative therapy" that Nicolosi filed with his son before his death, and the diagrams are nothing short of hilarious (and sad). See here, here, and here. I really don't understand the American system, you can file any old pseudoscience as a medical treatment. Sxologist ( talk) 13:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality was created by a recently banned sock-puppet and the book, the discredited ideas of one man, is longer than the man's article. What remains notable should go under one article. GPinkerton ( talk) 18:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
* Support merging the two articles. Although I abhor the book's content and the damage I've seen the theory and its implementation cause to so many men, those are my personal thoughts & feelings. Looking at this issue objectively as possible, I must conclude that the book is notable enough that we should cover it in the article about the author. ¶ Kudos to the Wikipedians who investigated the issue and determined that FreeKnowledgeCreator (what a name!) is/was a socky. - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 01:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The first sentence of this article is:
Joseph Nicolosi (January 24, 1947 – March 8, 2017) was an American clinical psychologist who advocated and practised "reparative therapy", a form of the pseudoscientific treatment of conversion therapy that he claimed could help people overcome or mitigate their homosexual desires and replace them with heterosexual ones.
I had edited the sentence to read:
Joseph Nicolosi (January 24, 1947 – March 8, 2017) was an American clinical psychologist who advocated and practised "reparative therapy", a form of conversion therapy that he claimed could help people overcome or mitigate their homosexual desires and replace them with heterosexual ones.
Nfitz made a good faith removal of my edit ( diff), stating, "not sure why is trying to remove same text that banned sockpuppets tried to remove". Two points: (1) I edited the sentence for this reason, as I stated in my edit note: "grammar/usage - clarity of expression". This part of the sentence: "a form of the pseudoscientific treatment of conversion therapy" is (a) duplicative and unnecessary, since the last sentence of the first paragraph emphasizes the pseudoscientific nature of conversion therapies, including "reparative therapy" (as does the wikilinked conversion therapy article); and (b) the sentence is not clear and concise. To avoid back-and-forth edits, I will leave the sentence as is, although I encourage another editor to edit it to make it more clear and concise. ¶ Along with other editors, I had many discussions with FreeKnowledgeCreator (the sockpuppet) about his attempts to sanitize Nicolosi's book (Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality) and present it as acceptable theory. I have no interest whatsoever in minimizing the harmful nature of conversion therapies. - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 18:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
I seek attention about this changes by User:Sxologist. 116.58.201.111 ( talk) 03:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Crossroads: what do you think. Sxologist ( talk) 08:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Can everyone please discuss and give me your opinions about my edits, here is a change, you can also inqure them by checking page history. Love and regards to all. 116.58.200.180 ( talk) 12:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Pinging @ Crossroads: and @ Markworthen: what do you think about the section of Nicolosi's publications? I don't really know if WP:FRINGE applies here, but I believe they may have been added by our favourite now-banned sockpuppet. I'm not really in the business of silencing silly opinions I don't agree with, but Nicolosi didn't use the scientific method nor did he hold post at a university or institute. Perhaps it could just be shortened to his books? For example, the meta analysis is published in Psychological Reports (a pay-to-publish journal that published Paul Cameron). What do you think? Side note: I took a look at the patent for "reintegrative therapy" that Nicolosi filed with his son before his death, and the diagrams are nothing short of hilarious (and sad). See here, here, and here. I really don't understand the American system, you can file any old pseudoscience as a medical treatment. Sxologist ( talk) 13:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)