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I assume something with a copyright date of 1899 is eligible to be included here? Still there's a lot of POV here and not much meat. -- Zoe — Preceding undated comment added 00:06, 31 December 2002 (UTC)
The POV-ness is due largely to the fact that the source seems to take Smith's memoirs at face value, whereas they are today believed to biggest source of baloney outside the Italian peninsula. - Smack 06:00 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out that in the Pocahontas definition she was 13 when she saved John Smith, and in this definition she was 11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soopah ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
An anonymous IP was curious about Smith's birth date, apparently not noting that the years of birth and death were right after his name. I have removed their ALL CAPS COMMENT from the middle of the article, which is hopefully not a tact they will regularly follow. - DavidWBrooks 20:13, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
The currently shown death date for Smith is both wrong and inconsistent with the balance of the article, and while I am no historian, a number of internal dates in the article also do not match my history-class memory of events. Doc W 14:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I support this, although I don't see a great deal to salvage in John Smith (statesman). The Singing Badger 01:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
What's up with this section? For a man who's been a character in American history and lore for nigh 400 years, that's a lot of space spent on a minor Disney film and its direct-to-video sequel. In addition it does not present a NPOV. - Acjelen 03:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Huh? "Smith fathered Pocahontas bastered son." There is no evidence or citation to support this statement. I suggest this statement be removed until it is substantiated with facts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.25.168.154 ( talk) 21:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
Captain John Smith Chesapeake National Historic Trail should be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WillC ( talk • contribs) 13:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Recently, 86.136.175.11 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) changed the spelling in Christopher Newport, John Smith of Jamestown and John Rolfe from US to UK English. I've started a discussion on what national variety of English these articles should use at Talk:Christopher Newport#US or UK spelling?. Anyone who has an opinion is invited to join and help us work towards a consensus. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
This article was on the front cover of my newspaper Daily Press. It said students at school copy the text and use it on reports and stuff. That's not good Ryan Holloway 18:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The consensus seems to be 9 January rather than 6 January, but what do we make of the discrepancy between 1579 and 1580? - JackofOz ( talk) 03:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Thay both present in pop culture than just the movie. For example Presley's song Fever which is few years older that the Disney movie (and more popular among adults :> ) Mar1u5z ( talk) 08:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
"Henry Brooks Adams, the pre-eminent Harvard historian of the second half of the 19th century, attempted to debunk Smith’s claims of heroism. He said that Smith’s recounting of the story of Pocahontas had been progressively embellished, made up of “falsehoods of an effrontery seldom equalled in modern times.” Although there is general consensus among historians that Smith tended to exaggerate, his account does seem to be consistent with the basic facts of his life. Adams' attack on Smith, an attempt to deface one of the icons of Southern history, was motivated by political considerations in the wake of the Civil War. Adams had been influenced to write his fusillade against Smith by John G. Palfrey who was promoting New England colonization, as opposed to southern settlement, as the founding of America."
This is all very biased without any attempt at documentation. Who claims it was politically motivated? Can we have a source? Who claims that his account is consistent with his life? This is all unsuitable as is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.235.141 ( talk) 13:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is written in terrible English and is rife with incomplete sentences and, frankly, sentences that make little to no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.250.85.65 ( talk) 16:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Over at the History.com is a video titled Death at Jamestown which can be seen here. As most know, History.com is a considerably reliable source when it comes to actual history and not reality programming. What surprised me was the claim made at about 0:30 and to quote it, "John Smith finally took over the colony, imposed martial law and executed people who wouldn't work." Actually there were a couple of surprises, but this is the only one directly related to John Smith. Now to be fair, I cannot find another reference which lays claim to Smith's ordered executions. This doesn't mean that other sources do not exist. My feeling is that if the claim is true (and not a stretch or twist of the fact that Smith ordered those not working to not eat), it most definitely needs to be documented in the article. I also feel a second source is in order since it appears to be so rare. Any thoughts on the subject? Is one source enough? MagnoliaSouth ( talk) 19:27, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The abstract mentions that Capt. Smith was knighted. To the best of my knowledge, as of 2006, he had not been (Google: Knighthood sought for Capt. John Smith) 2ndCharter ( talk) 21:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Is it me or are you having a laugh? Are you thinking of the Rolfes at Heacham perchance? Greenpenwriter ( talk) 23:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
I revisited the article on request. I can't say that it has changed any. The material it seems to me is sound and at the encyclopedic level. So, I would still rate it as B. My critique (for what it seems to be worth, not much I guess) concerns the language and the formatting. Dave ( talk) 15:20, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there any chance someone can rephrase this? It seems quite prejudiced if I say so myself. As if whoever wrote it has some assumption that ALL English people are lazy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harry McThompson ( talk • contribs) 00:09, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I removed the reference to John Smith's siblings by name. None of the recent scholarship mentions these names and no reference was given to support the claim. If anyone has a reliable source that mentions names of Smith's sisters and/or brothers, it can, of course, be reinstated. Mugginsx ( talk) 20:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. DrKiernan ( talk) 19:03, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
John Smith (explorer) → Captain John Smith – This man seems to be universally known as 'Captain'. Per WP:COMMONNAME this should be included in the title, which also eliminates the need for disambiguation. Zacwill16 ( talk) 17:03, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
The text says: "John Smith died 21 June 1631. He was buried in 1633 (bold added here for emphasis) in the south aisle of Saint Sepulchre-without-Newgate Church, Holborn Viaduct, London."
Question: Is there a typo on one of the dates, or was he buried in late 1631 and RE-buried in 1633? This needs clarified in the text -- unless London had an unburied corpse stored somewhere for 2 years? Lifesnadir ( talk) 04:55, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
"colonise", "colonize", "baptise", "baptize" (admittedly within an image), "labour", "rumour", "harbor", "laborious". Since we can't excise one of the "baptize"s, using some ENGVAR that spells it -ize is best, and since Oxford spelling preserves the (majority) -our spellings I'm gonna go with that. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 00:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
This section is oddly and defensively written. We are told throughout that "critics," "literary critics" and the like make all sorts of accusations about Smith's credibility and character. And yet not one of them is cited or any attempt made to portray their criticisms. So if the criticisms are worth noting, then why the rebuttal? The other part odd part is that Lemay is used for all defenses and it looks like he is a complete John Smith true believer. There are historians who both admit Smith's importance, in some cases his humanity but nevertheless point out his biases and exaggerations. Finally, while the defense of Smith is all directed at his actions in Virginia, no attempt is made to defend his Autobiography, which has many things that strain credulity (and have generated much ink). The section is unbalanced (from a writing point of view I could care less about Wiki:POV) and it reduces the credibility of the article, IMO. AnthroMimus ( talk) 19:34, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
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@ Dilidor:I want to avert revert warring so I ask you this question here. Why do you insist on referring to native Americans as "Indians" when it has been well established that many consider the term derogatory and insulting as Indians are inhabitants of the sub continent of India. While it is true that some have no problem with the word, it is an individual choice. Depending on tribe they either prefer being referred to by their tribal name (i.e. Dakota, Lakota, Nakota) or the official Native American as adopted by the US Government. I have mentioned this more than once in my edit summaries, and you choose to ignore, and then use specious and inaccurate justifications in your revert Edit Summaries. Do you care to engage in a conversation? Oldperson ( talk) 22:06, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
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WhitePhosphorusI see by your revert of a previous edit that you have a problem with the words Native American and prefer the word Indian. Care to explain. I assume you aware of the Native American name controversy. I am trying to understand the issues behind the controversy. Can you help me out? Oldperson ( talk) 14:35, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
"they landed at Cape Henry on 26 April 1607" - "By the summer of 1607, the colonists were still living in temporary housing. The search for a suitable site ended on 14 May 1607". First, why is the first half of May "summer"? Second, why is looking for less than 3 weeks worthe mentioning "still temporary housing"? (and why did they not stay on ship anyway?) unclear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.71.62.103 ( talk) 13:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Since the other monument is mentioned, perhaps the statue at Jamestown ought to be mentioned as well.
https://historicjamestowne.org/visit/plan-your-visit/monuments-john-smith/ 71.191.77.64 ( talk) 02:39, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
It might just be a typo but his article states he died in 1631 but was buried at St Sepulchre's Newgate in 1633, two years later. This needs checking, was he buried elsewhere in the meantime then moved to give a more fitting place for a memorial to be erected? By his lifetime parish registers of burials would already have been operating; do published registers of St Sepulchre's support the alleged year? (I accept some registers may have got lost in the Great Fire of 1666.) Cloptonson ( talk) 05:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
who was his successor as governor? 176.72.115.169 ( talk) 18:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
what was his political position: royal absolutist? and his religion: Anglican, Catholic, or Puritan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.21.234.123 ( talk) 15:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I apologize if this request is disruptive or inappropriate in any way. While reading this article, in the section 'Encounter with the Powhatan tribe,' it felt as if the second paragraph did not quite follow from the first. It launches into discussion about whether or not John Smith's story as it relates to Pocahontas is accurate, however the preceding paragraph does not mention her at all. It talks about how Smith may have been "involved in a ritual intended to symbolize his death and rebirth as a member of the tribe," which sounds like the three-day shamanistic ritual mentioned above, which does not refer to Pocahontas. It reads as if we were meant to have just been told a story about how Pocahontas rescued Smith, or perhaps was the impetus behind him leaving Opechancanough's camp and the shaman ritual. In fact she had only been briefly mentioned in the section above that, without any prior introduction as to why she would've been present, or whether she had known Smith previously. The entire section of the article reads as if it had been written by several different editors, who did not check as to whether their respective paragraphs would logically align or flow into each other. As I'm not that familiar with all the history here, I'm not sure the best way to revise this. Perhaps put more emphasis on the story of Pocahontas, so that it makes more sense when its veracity is brought up. 2600:1702:4190:1B60:B4E2:105A:8A55:7A0C ( talk) 02:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
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I assume something with a copyright date of 1899 is eligible to be included here? Still there's a lot of POV here and not much meat. -- Zoe — Preceding undated comment added 00:06, 31 December 2002 (UTC)
The POV-ness is due largely to the fact that the source seems to take Smith's memoirs at face value, whereas they are today believed to biggest source of baloney outside the Italian peninsula. - Smack 06:00 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out that in the Pocahontas definition she was 13 when she saved John Smith, and in this definition she was 11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soopah ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
An anonymous IP was curious about Smith's birth date, apparently not noting that the years of birth and death were right after his name. I have removed their ALL CAPS COMMENT from the middle of the article, which is hopefully not a tact they will regularly follow. - DavidWBrooks 20:13, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
The currently shown death date for Smith is both wrong and inconsistent with the balance of the article, and while I am no historian, a number of internal dates in the article also do not match my history-class memory of events. Doc W 14:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I support this, although I don't see a great deal to salvage in John Smith (statesman). The Singing Badger 01:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
What's up with this section? For a man who's been a character in American history and lore for nigh 400 years, that's a lot of space spent on a minor Disney film and its direct-to-video sequel. In addition it does not present a NPOV. - Acjelen 03:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Huh? "Smith fathered Pocahontas bastered son." There is no evidence or citation to support this statement. I suggest this statement be removed until it is substantiated with facts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.25.168.154 ( talk) 21:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC).
Captain John Smith Chesapeake National Historic Trail should be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WillC ( talk • contribs) 13:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Recently, 86.136.175.11 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) changed the spelling in Christopher Newport, John Smith of Jamestown and John Rolfe from US to UK English. I've started a discussion on what national variety of English these articles should use at Talk:Christopher Newport#US or UK spelling?. Anyone who has an opinion is invited to join and help us work towards a consensus. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
This article was on the front cover of my newspaper Daily Press. It said students at school copy the text and use it on reports and stuff. That's not good Ryan Holloway 18:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The consensus seems to be 9 January rather than 6 January, but what do we make of the discrepancy between 1579 and 1580? - JackofOz ( talk) 03:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Thay both present in pop culture than just the movie. For example Presley's song Fever which is few years older that the Disney movie (and more popular among adults :> ) Mar1u5z ( talk) 08:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
"Henry Brooks Adams, the pre-eminent Harvard historian of the second half of the 19th century, attempted to debunk Smith’s claims of heroism. He said that Smith’s recounting of the story of Pocahontas had been progressively embellished, made up of “falsehoods of an effrontery seldom equalled in modern times.” Although there is general consensus among historians that Smith tended to exaggerate, his account does seem to be consistent with the basic facts of his life. Adams' attack on Smith, an attempt to deface one of the icons of Southern history, was motivated by political considerations in the wake of the Civil War. Adams had been influenced to write his fusillade against Smith by John G. Palfrey who was promoting New England colonization, as opposed to southern settlement, as the founding of America."
This is all very biased without any attempt at documentation. Who claims it was politically motivated? Can we have a source? Who claims that his account is consistent with his life? This is all unsuitable as is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.235.141 ( talk) 13:18, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is written in terrible English and is rife with incomplete sentences and, frankly, sentences that make little to no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.250.85.65 ( talk) 16:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Over at the History.com is a video titled Death at Jamestown which can be seen here. As most know, History.com is a considerably reliable source when it comes to actual history and not reality programming. What surprised me was the claim made at about 0:30 and to quote it, "John Smith finally took over the colony, imposed martial law and executed people who wouldn't work." Actually there were a couple of surprises, but this is the only one directly related to John Smith. Now to be fair, I cannot find another reference which lays claim to Smith's ordered executions. This doesn't mean that other sources do not exist. My feeling is that if the claim is true (and not a stretch or twist of the fact that Smith ordered those not working to not eat), it most definitely needs to be documented in the article. I also feel a second source is in order since it appears to be so rare. Any thoughts on the subject? Is one source enough? MagnoliaSouth ( talk) 19:27, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The abstract mentions that Capt. Smith was knighted. To the best of my knowledge, as of 2006, he had not been (Google: Knighthood sought for Capt. John Smith) 2ndCharter ( talk) 21:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Is it me or are you having a laugh? Are you thinking of the Rolfes at Heacham perchance? Greenpenwriter ( talk) 23:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
I revisited the article on request. I can't say that it has changed any. The material it seems to me is sound and at the encyclopedic level. So, I would still rate it as B. My critique (for what it seems to be worth, not much I guess) concerns the language and the formatting. Dave ( talk) 15:20, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there any chance someone can rephrase this? It seems quite prejudiced if I say so myself. As if whoever wrote it has some assumption that ALL English people are lazy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harry McThompson ( talk • contribs) 00:09, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
I removed the reference to John Smith's siblings by name. None of the recent scholarship mentions these names and no reference was given to support the claim. If anyone has a reliable source that mentions names of Smith's sisters and/or brothers, it can, of course, be reinstated. Mugginsx ( talk) 20:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. DrKiernan ( talk) 19:03, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
John Smith (explorer) → Captain John Smith – This man seems to be universally known as 'Captain'. Per WP:COMMONNAME this should be included in the title, which also eliminates the need for disambiguation. Zacwill16 ( talk) 17:03, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
The text says: "John Smith died 21 June 1631. He was buried in 1633 (bold added here for emphasis) in the south aisle of Saint Sepulchre-without-Newgate Church, Holborn Viaduct, London."
Question: Is there a typo on one of the dates, or was he buried in late 1631 and RE-buried in 1633? This needs clarified in the text -- unless London had an unburied corpse stored somewhere for 2 years? Lifesnadir ( talk) 04:55, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
"colonise", "colonize", "baptise", "baptize" (admittedly within an image), "labour", "rumour", "harbor", "laborious". Since we can't excise one of the "baptize"s, using some ENGVAR that spells it -ize is best, and since Oxford spelling preserves the (majority) -our spellings I'm gonna go with that. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 00:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
This section is oddly and defensively written. We are told throughout that "critics," "literary critics" and the like make all sorts of accusations about Smith's credibility and character. And yet not one of them is cited or any attempt made to portray their criticisms. So if the criticisms are worth noting, then why the rebuttal? The other part odd part is that Lemay is used for all defenses and it looks like he is a complete John Smith true believer. There are historians who both admit Smith's importance, in some cases his humanity but nevertheless point out his biases and exaggerations. Finally, while the defense of Smith is all directed at his actions in Virginia, no attempt is made to defend his Autobiography, which has many things that strain credulity (and have generated much ink). The section is unbalanced (from a writing point of view I could care less about Wiki:POV) and it reduces the credibility of the article, IMO. AnthroMimus ( talk) 19:34, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
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@ Dilidor:I want to avert revert warring so I ask you this question here. Why do you insist on referring to native Americans as "Indians" when it has been well established that many consider the term derogatory and insulting as Indians are inhabitants of the sub continent of India. While it is true that some have no problem with the word, it is an individual choice. Depending on tribe they either prefer being referred to by their tribal name (i.e. Dakota, Lakota, Nakota) or the official Native American as adopted by the US Government. I have mentioned this more than once in my edit summaries, and you choose to ignore, and then use specious and inaccurate justifications in your revert Edit Summaries. Do you care to engage in a conversation? Oldperson ( talk) 22:06, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
@ Dilidor: No response Following the guidance ofWP policy: Quote: Reverting is appropriate mostly for vandalism or other disruptive edits. The Wikipedia edit warring policy forbids repetitive reverting.
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WhitePhosphorusI see by your revert of a previous edit that you have a problem with the words Native American and prefer the word Indian. Care to explain. I assume you aware of the Native American name controversy. I am trying to understand the issues behind the controversy. Can you help me out? Oldperson ( talk) 14:35, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
"they landed at Cape Henry on 26 April 1607" - "By the summer of 1607, the colonists were still living in temporary housing. The search for a suitable site ended on 14 May 1607". First, why is the first half of May "summer"? Second, why is looking for less than 3 weeks worthe mentioning "still temporary housing"? (and why did they not stay on ship anyway?) unclear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.71.62.103 ( talk) 13:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Since the other monument is mentioned, perhaps the statue at Jamestown ought to be mentioned as well.
https://historicjamestowne.org/visit/plan-your-visit/monuments-john-smith/ 71.191.77.64 ( talk) 02:39, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
It might just be a typo but his article states he died in 1631 but was buried at St Sepulchre's Newgate in 1633, two years later. This needs checking, was he buried elsewhere in the meantime then moved to give a more fitting place for a memorial to be erected? By his lifetime parish registers of burials would already have been operating; do published registers of St Sepulchre's support the alleged year? (I accept some registers may have got lost in the Great Fire of 1666.) Cloptonson ( talk) 05:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
who was his successor as governor? 176.72.115.169 ( talk) 18:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
what was his political position: royal absolutist? and his religion: Anglican, Catholic, or Puritan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.21.234.123 ( talk) 15:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I apologize if this request is disruptive or inappropriate in any way. While reading this article, in the section 'Encounter with the Powhatan tribe,' it felt as if the second paragraph did not quite follow from the first. It launches into discussion about whether or not John Smith's story as it relates to Pocahontas is accurate, however the preceding paragraph does not mention her at all. It talks about how Smith may have been "involved in a ritual intended to symbolize his death and rebirth as a member of the tribe," which sounds like the three-day shamanistic ritual mentioned above, which does not refer to Pocahontas. It reads as if we were meant to have just been told a story about how Pocahontas rescued Smith, or perhaps was the impetus behind him leaving Opechancanough's camp and the shaman ritual. In fact she had only been briefly mentioned in the section above that, without any prior introduction as to why she would've been present, or whether she had known Smith previously. The entire section of the article reads as if it had been written by several different editors, who did not check as to whether their respective paragraphs would logically align or flow into each other. As I'm not that familiar with all the history here, I'm not sure the best way to revise this. Perhaps put more emphasis on the story of Pocahontas, so that it makes more sense when its veracity is brought up. 2600:1702:4190:1B60:B4E2:105A:8A55:7A0C ( talk) 02:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)