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The original red cast photo was just that, the original. Now I can understand a simple crop. But the constant change of the photo has become increasingly unnecessary. First of all there was nothing wrong with the original photo. In fact it is higher quality than the one that is currently being used because it hasn't been artificially edited numerous times by who knows what. If the only basis against the original was personal preference against the red cast, fine. But at what cost? The photo now almost looks as if it is on the verge of being a drawing. I would like to get other opinions about this because I feel like the red cast is the lesser of evils when it comes to the lowering of quality and artificial lighting that it has become. PositivelyJordan ( talk) 10:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Modification of this entry is necessary. I do not believe that the statement "Double Fantasy was not well received" is factually correct. The album was eagerly anticipated in general, in light of Lennon's 5-year hiatus from the music scene, and then met with instant success upon its release. This wiki article cites ONE critic only. The album received wide airplay immediately upon its release. The reservoir of critiques of the album untainted by John's murder may be small, as John was murdered so shortly after its release, however I believe a survey of reviews would show that the majority of evaluations of Double Fantasy were favorable. Melody Maker's "indulgent sterility" is the harshest thing I have ever read about the album. This Wikipedia article incorrectly makes it sound like this album was treated by the critics similarly to Some Time in New York City. It was not. Far from it. I urge someone to research this; it is factually incorrect to say critical reviews in general were unfavorable. It is fiction to say the album was not well-received. John was ecstatic, and congratulated Yoko on co-writing a #1 album -- which she modestly dismissed, though arguably her best songwriting to date was on that album, and even her songs were well-received -- Kiss Kiss Kiss received immediate AOR airplay. John would not have been ecstatic and the world would not have been so horribly shocked upon his murder if Lennon had released a stinker of an album. Check out the liner notes to the single release of Walking on Thin Ice (For John) to see Yoko's statements of John's ecstatic feelings, for one. The album was well-received, period. It outsold Melody Maker and their whiny review which now distorts this historical record of events. Balertwine ( talk) 18:11, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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John Lennon was bestowed, just like all the other beatles, an MBE-- this is not signified on his name, while he did return his metal to the queen, it was only symbolic, as the title under british law cannot be forfeited. It should read John Lennon, MBE Cambrooks ( talk) 03:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
He is MBE, so why does not he have the title "Sir" in front of his name? Sven Müller 78.51.207.254 ( talk) 21:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Removed citation needed tag from first sentence in "Awards and sales" subsection. The statement that the "Lennon-McCartney songwriting partnership is regarded as one of the most influential and successful of the 20th Century" has no more need of a citation than a statement that the sky on planet Earth will be blue in color on a sunny, cloudless day. PJtP ( talk) 04:13, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The sentence in the article header "John Winston Ono Lennon, MBE (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) was an English musician and singer-songwriter" should be changed to "John Winston Ono Lennon, MBE (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) was an English musician, singer and songwriter.", because the hyphen in between singer and songwriter insinuates that he only sang the songs he wrote. -- 70.120.83.126 ( talk) 22:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Yoko Ono in Dublin today: http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/lennon-considered-himself-irish-3146236.html. Also, will somebody change the number of dead on Bloody Sunday from 13 to 14 people. See Bloody Sunday (1972). 109.77.151.160 ( talk) 21:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm surprised there's not a section about his death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.82.226 ( talk) 21:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I removed the post-nominal letters fFrom the infobox after reading the guideline at WP:POSTNOM. It appears to discuss only the lead section and nothing else. From that I gather post-noms only go in the first sentence.
However, the practise for honorific titles in infoboxes is different. The official title "Sir" or "Dame" would go both in the infobox and in the first sentence, according to MOS:HONORIFIC.
I hold that the infobox should say simply "John Lennon" at the top, and nothing more. The first sentence should follow his name with MBE. Binksternet ( talk) 02:31, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Can someone post the information on Lennon's letter to Oral Roberts and his 1969 interview to the CBC? It plays in contrast to his public image and shows how complex he was and his changing points of view as he aged.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/januaryweb-only/001-22.0.html
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This article has a photo of 251 Menlove Avenue, and that house even has its own article, but there is no picture of the earlier-mentioned 9 Newcastle Road. Is it still standing? Can we have a picture of it? Is this it? Credulity ( talk) 11:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
What is the basis for the claim that he could not change his name by deed poll? - "since he was not permitted to revoke a name given at birth". Anyone can change their name by deed poll. 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 01:49, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Lennon was believed to be very left wing politically. But I recall hearing an interview with someone who knew him well - I do not recall now who it was - who said that Lennon was far more conservative personally than his public persona, and was even an admirer (if not supporter) of Ronald Reagan. Any verifiable quotes to add to the article? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 01:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Please add at least a 'See also' link to Death_of_John_Lennon. When one reads about a life, one also expects to learn something about the end of the life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.74.253 ( talk) 03:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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John was actually born in Hamburg, not Liverpool like the article says Please change this if you see this Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by DEEPINTHEQ15 ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Founder Member is not a term. Lennon was a founding member, or the founder. Pick one, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.32.44 ( talk) 04:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Binksternet reverted me here, but I can't seem to find the justification in the Wikipedia MoS, which says: "The provisions in Article titles (above) generally apply to section headings as well (for example, headings are in sentence case, not title case)."
According to New Hart's Rules, "The word following a colon is not capitalised in British English (unless it is a proper name of course)." (p.74)
According to the CMOS, "6.61 Lowercase of capital letter after a colon. When a colon is used within a sentence ... the first word following the colon is lowercased." ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 22:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
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John Lennon has released many experimental music records in his career such as Unfinished Music No.1: Two Virgins. Shouldn't we also include experimental music (or avant-garde) in the genre section of the infobox? - Myxomatosis75 ( talk) 18:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
The "War is Over" billboard campaign was done over Christmas/New Year 1969. It was not done to promote the 'Happy Christmas war is over' single which was released in the US in 1971 and UK in 1972.
this song was written by unknown artist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.4.212 ( talk) 10:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I suggest to mention (feel free to decide where) that Liverpool Airport (formerly Speke Airport) was renamed in 2002 "Liverpool John Lennon Airport".
"Above us only sky", taken from Imagine's lyrics, is painted on the air terminal ceiling.
A wikilink can be added : [Liverpool John Lennon Airport]
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Cynthia Powell's name should at least be mentioned. She was his wife and the father of Julian, after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.118.26 ( talk) 02:02, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Today the humor web site The Onion posted an article about the John Lennon wikipedia page. [1] Enjoy! — SaxTeacher (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
There is a picture in the article with Jimmy Nichols instead of Ringo Starr. No mention of this being Jimmy Nichols, that caption just says it is Lennon with The Beatles. Rantedia ( talk) 07:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
In which section will you place this? Or is it relevant to this page? Its up to someone more knowledgeable than me.
According to an in interview with Yoko Ono in 2012, John Lennon practiced Transcendental Meditation (taught by Maharishi) up until he died (as did George Harrison. And Paul and Ringo have said many times that they still practice the technique today.) http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/06/27/yoko-ono (its at the end of the interview.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.50.134 ( talk) 13:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I propose we add a Views section to this article, subdivided into Political, Social, and Religious. Lets face it, Lennon was outspoken about just about anything, and we should be able to find plenty on the subject.~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 10:53, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
"They were married at The Rock Hotel in Gibraltar on 20 March 1969,"
No, they weren't.
They were married at the Registry Office at 3 Secretary's Lane, which is where EVERYONE getting a quicky marriage in Gibraltar gets married -- something true for more than fifty years.
Incidentally, every source is incorrect when it says they were married at "the British Consulate" -- there WAS NO British Consulate, then or now. 76.218.9.50 ( talk) 23:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Lennon's personal worth should be mentioned. A Googe search suggests £200,000,000. Apparently, it annoyed Chapman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.5.40 ( talk) 15:02, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I made a small edit, inserting "test" into a sentence in the main article, then after saving and it applied, went to edit history and clicked undo. That was to prove a point to a user who was claiming this article was "Locked". As near as I can tell, based upon that brief gripe, it seems that the user is unfamiliar with most of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies, not to mention Protection, Semi-Protection, etc. If said editor wishes to learn, I'll help as I can and also seek assistance to guide the editor forward in understanding how Wikipedia works, as my time is rather sparse and I'm also still learning. This is largely for those monitoring page changes. Wzrd1 ( talk) 04:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I can't edit this page because I don't have a WP account, and I'm not getting one.
In the May Pang section, the hotlink to the "Lost Weekend" section in Pang's Wikipedia page is broken. The link here should have an uppercase W, not lowercase w. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.51.139 ( talk) 21:08, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
Some of those Double Fantasy/Milk and Honey songs weren't written in Burmuda. There are demos on YouTube that sow he was working on some of these in the late 70's. Maybe someone can find a proper source? The Wookieepedian ( talk) 05:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Memorial monument to John Lennon in Mohyliv-Podilskyi Ukraine on the monument says "Give peace a chance." There is a monument benches painted slogans hippies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodia1406 ( talk • contribs) 17:13, March 7, 2013
Cynthia Powell's name should at least be mentioned in the article. She was his wife, after all.
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In the section "1975–80: Retirement and return", I have found this at the start of the last sentence:
"Released jointly with Ono, Double Fantasy ..."
Try changing that to:
"Double Fantasy, released jointly by Lennon and Ono, ..."
The current wording could suggest the nonsensical release of Ono and Double Fantasy together.
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Partly done: Good catch. I've changed "with" to "by Lennon and" as you suggest, but left the syntax as is. That fixes it, I think. --
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Hi, how on Earth could this page start with "John Ono Lennon, MBE", when he had returned his Order in November 1969? Feťour ( talk) 12:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The opening sentence of the article states that John Lennon was an English musician. Personally, I thought that "British" was a more appropriate term to describe him. When the Beatles landed in New York City in February, 1964, it was the "British Invasion," not the "English Invasion." When the Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, Ed referred to them as "Britain's new singing sensation," not "England's new singing sensation." Also, one of the four major tournaments in golf is "The British Open;" I've never heard it referred to as "The English Open." I don't understand why my edit was reverted back to "English musician."
Anthony22 ( talk) 15:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
In the lead, shouldn't "Working Class Hero" be listed as an iconic song? It seems to be one of his most-covered songs post-Beatles, and seems to me to be a better choice than listing "Imagine" twice (which is what the article currently does). The Wookieepedian ( talk) 01:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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In first paragraph change founder member to FOUNDING member of the beatles. 99.249.112.86 ( talk) 03:55, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
can someone edit where it says "Liverpool, Lancashire" to "Liverpool, Merseyside" as Liverpool is not in Lancashire. thanks 2.120.150.95 ( talk) 08:09, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
you misunderstand.. liverpool is in merseyside not Lancashire might be worth changing it for the rest of The beatles 2.120.150.95 ( talk) 06:21, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi! I live in Málaga (Spain) and I would like to say that John Lennon's car was bought some years ago by the motor museum and is still on display. You can find the museum at this location: Avenida Sor Teresa Prat, nº 15. Bye!
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Despite what may be disputed in you're current Wikipedia article, John actually met Epstein in 1962. Mattsblack ( talk) 01:23, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Might want to consider substituting a different photo, as this one includes Jimmy Nichols playing drums, not Ringo Starr. Nichols joined the Beatles for some dates in Europe and Australia in mid-1964 when Starr had tonsillitis. It would be better to have a photo with Ringo in it, of which there are many. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.144.110.131 ( talk) 16:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Wasn't he called this shouldn't this be in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C59C:1049:2598:10CA:E9E3:8463 ( talk) 02:43, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
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Notable instruments: Drums Cp.the.guitar.king ( talk) 22:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
In the Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr and George Harrison articles the infobox is "Infobox musical artist", but in the John Lennon article it is the so called "Infobox person"... why is that ? I wanted to add the lines "spouse" and "children" to the infobox in the Ringo Starr article... and it simply didn't work. What must be done? to update the John Lennon article by replacing the infobox? to update the "Infobox musical artist" by adding "children" and "spouse" lines? Kintaro ( talk) 10:59, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
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Please add a reference to Jihadi John in the hatnote, as that individual has also been called "John the Beatle". 209.211.131.181 ( talk) 17:36, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
I've change the amount in USD of the settlement. 100,000 pounds was just translated to $148,000 in the text. That might be correct today, but in 1968 the exchange rate was $2.40, giving a translation of $240,000 at the time. Pretty small by today's standards, but still much more than $140,000. Please also remember that both dollars and pounds bought alot more in those days, perhaps about twice as much (I haven't checked exact figures), so we're talking close to $500,000 in today's money. I haven't checked sources for this, other than [2] which shows the well-known fixed rate of $2.40 per pound. But checking our article for Cynthia Lennon, shows it's just a bit more complicated:
" The settlement was then raised to £100,000, £2,400 annually, and custody of Julian.[135] Another £100,000 was put into a trust fund which Julian would inherit when he was 21. Until that time, his mother would receive the interest payments. Their decree nisi was granted on 8 November 1968.[136] The trust fund had one codicil, which provided for any further children by Lennon, so when Sean Lennon was born in 1975, Julian's inheritance was cut to £50,000.[137]"
So let's not apply today's standards willy nilly and make Lennon look like a total piker.
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His harmonica playing is an important aspect of their early sound. I think the mouth organ deserves a mention in the instruments. (Of course, he also played the mellotron and bass guitar, but they're not that significant). -- Frozen Jese ( talk) 11:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
This man filled in for Ringo Starr on only 8 occasions when Starr had tonsillitis. A photo of the group with Starr must replace this photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.28.224.10 ( talk) 13:53, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
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Edit for the "John Lennon" page. Under the section labeled "8 December 1980: Death" the following sentence appears:
At around 10:50 pm on 8 December 1980, as Lennon and Ono returned to their New York apartment in the Dakota, Mark David Chapman shot Lennon in the back four times at the entrance to the building.
However, this is incorrect. He was shot *five* times. This can be verified on Wikipedia's own page devoted to John Lennon's death: "Death of John Lennon". Under the section labeled "Murder" the sentence correctly reads:
"Seconds later, Chapman took aim directly at the center of Lennon's back and fired five hollow-point bullets at him from a Charter Arms .38 Special revolver in rapid succession from a range of about nine or ten feet (about 3 m) away.[1]"
Ajpianoman ( talk) 06:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
The link 'skiffle craze' in the intro is dead, should probably be: Skiffle#Revival_in_the_United_Kingdom
JohnElliotV ( talk) 06:58, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
The bulk of evidence points to Lennon’s religious views being closest to someone who was critical of organized religion, but interested in spirituality. (See the article “religious beliefs of the Beatles.”) He leaned toward being agnostic in the 60’s, but categorizing him as an atheist based on a couple song quotations is deceptive. In fact, he had one song in 1973 with the line “Every day I thank the Lord and Lady for the way that you came to me.” He was also quoted as saying “I'm not afraid of death because I don't believe in it. It's just getting out of one car, and into another.” I’m removing him from this category. If anyone objects, let me know. Tidewater 2014 ( talk) 15:01, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I disagree strenuously. My feelings for Christianity aside, all the Beatles reviled organized religion. George was spiritual and John was clearly influenced. John, in particular, reviled the role of Christianity and all organized religion. He would have much to say about being designated as "spiritual." Yes, he named the foundation the "Spirit Foundation," but it was only capitalized with the NY state minimum capital. I could not believe my eyes when he sang "Imagine no possessions." The NY fans took to the airways and told him what we thought. To John's credit, he did change the lyrics to "Imagine no possessions, I wonder if we can." John never changed the lyrics to "Imagine there is no heaven. I have a sophisticated view of spirituality and organized religion." Yoko turned down offers to have John buried at St. John the Divine. John was spiritual in a very sophisticated way. He was NOT religious. Paul is not religious. George was religious. I expect John and George had some interesting conversations about Hare Krishna and the Maharishi. Dear Prudence,....won't you come out and play. ...Sexy Sadie.....John was an atheist. Would he remain so if he lived? Paul is. You can understand spiritual traditions and reference them in your life without being religious or spiritual. John admitted he was not great at meditation. George meditated for countless hours. Paul and John worked up to quite long sessions, but they were never in George's league. Paul now mediates using TM for about ten minutes before important events. It upsets me greatly when people change lyrics or assert that John was religious. John would be furious. He would be particularly furious at someone claiming to know his views who clearly does not. When he referenced car, he meant car. He knew there was no heaven. I believe in a type of heaven. John did not. I suspect John believed that death was the end of existence. He never agreed with George about Hinduism. George was a clear influence. Even when John was furious at George, he acknowledged his influence. They loved many parts of Hinduism that George exposed them to, but neither John or Paul embraced religion. Any good writer knows the dominant religion of his culture. When he wrote, "Christ, it ain't easy, you know hard it can be. They are going to crucify me." He did not mean that he was a believer in Jesus or any religion. John meant that just as Jesus' words and actions were misconstrued and used by the Church falsely, John 's words and actions were misconstrued and misunderstood. Ringo was also not religious, but in recent years he seems to be more open than before to religion. Ringo is very mellow. Always was. He taught them mellowness and showmanship. There are many excellent John Lennon biographies. I can name a few for people to read. We do not need revisionism from Yoko Ono or fans. Yoko listed Sean as John's first son. Sorry, Yoko. Millions, utter millions know Julian was his first son. Julian sounds much more like John. Wikipedia reports that Julian was he first son. What can you do about websites that Yoko owns? Paul, George, Ringo all state that Julian was and shall always remain John's first son. John acknowledged it, when pressed. Only when pressed. He was not perfect. 75Janice ( talk) 16:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)75Janice
His given name at birth was “John Winston Lennon”; he changed it in 1969 to “John Ono Lennon” - the article says as much. But the article itself lists his name as “John Winston Ono Lennon”. I have seen this listed elsewhere on the net as being because supposedly you can’t “revoke” all your names under British Law, but think that that is just plain wrong. Changing your name by deed poll is perfectly legitimate, and needn’t contain any name you were born with, so was “John Winston Ono Lennon” the actual name he changed to, or is it a needless conflation of the two? It should surely be one or the other, but not a compendium of both. Jock123 ( talk) 11:11, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
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I believe it would make sense to change John Lennon's infobox to the musical artist infobox. Every other Beatle's infobox is the musical artist one, with a gold background. I think it'll look better and would make more sense. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 22:40, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
What are the respective pages of the two quotations in reference 83?-- Beat 768 ( talk) 02:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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Page is vandalized with an overlay redirect link blocking any clicks. 76.91.149.87 ( talk) 23:12, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree, the page is vandalized, all clicks are forewarded to rasp.is, which is some "pay for clicks" page. At least, this happens when viewing it with Firefox! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.180.24.6 ( talk) 12:25, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
MBE must be removed from John Lennon's name as he rejected the honour and it's inclusion is anti-thetical to how he represented himself as he returned the medal as an act of protest:
Quoted from the http://www.beatlesbible.com/1969/11/25/john-lennon-returns-his-mbe-to-the-queen/
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Why is there so little mention of Lennon's racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial? ( 86.183.30.40 ( talk) 15:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC))
I just think there should be a mention to his views and abuses of women, not just anecdotes from his first wife. i mean he said in an interview with play boy that he beats the hell out of women. (i think thats note worthy)
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"It is a diary form of writing. All that 'I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved' was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically... any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything's the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am a violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster." <close quote> The way you say things make it seem like he beat women until the day he died, when in reality, he started doing it in his teenage years, when his mother died (or it could have been a little bit before her death), and stopped at around 1967. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:1200:F22C:F47D:9CAA:703F:EEFD ( talk) 19:09, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
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Suggest adding to reading list at bottom: Lennon on Lennon: Conversations with John Lennon, ed. by Jeff Burger. Published 2016 by Chicago Review Press. ISBN #978-1613748244 JeffAB0422 ( talk) 11:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
I seem to recall that there was another name before "The Quarry Men". The WP entry for Quarry Men mentions "The Blackjacks", but that they never played under that name. Should it be added here? -- Daveler16 ( talk) 15:46, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Intro says Beatles were inducted into RR HOF in 1998,wasn't that 1988? 107.77.203.101 ( talk) 22:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Tim
THE BEATLES Courtesy of the Rock Hall Library and Archive 1988 Category: Performers Members: Paul McCartney Ringo Starr John Lennon George Harrison Such a blatant error in the first paragraph? Will someone PLEASE fix? 70.91.35.27 ( talk) 17:13, 25 January 2017 (UTC)T
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Added Lennon on Lennon (2017). It's a compilation of interviews and recorded conversations from Beatles and post-Beatles eras. Doesn't have the Rolling Stone or Playboy interviews. Still interesting read.-- Daveler16 ( talk) 15:03, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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Biography: Paragraph 3. Tiny point but ' I would infiltrate the other boys minds.'
There should be an apostrophe after the 's' in 'boys'
I would infiltrate the other boys' minds.-- 92.207.218.180 ( talk) 11:06, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
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I've just read something in a music magazine that may be notable for the article, particularly in the section regarding John's relationship with his former bandmates. According to Philip Norman, Yoko has told him that partly due to casual remarks made by John, she's always suspected that the actual reason for The Beatles's break-up and long bickering between John and Paul throughout the 70s was that at one time during the late 60s, John had made a sexual advance directed at Paul, who turned out too adamantly straight to say yes. Yoko told Norman that she always felt that John was acting like a rejected lover towards Paul during the 70s and that Paul was just too discrete to ever let word get out of what she thought had happened in private. I suppose the definite source would be Norman's 2008 book John Lennon: The Life, but it'd be great if somebody could find the actual source where Norman relates this. I guess what sets this apart from Albert Goldman's 1988 conjectural smear is that it comes from Yoko's mouth herself. -- 79.242.203.134 ( talk) 03:53, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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Lennon and Ono moved to Manhattan in August 1971, and released "Happy Xmas (War Is Over) in December".[107]
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Lennon and Ono moved to Manhattan in August 1971, and released "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" in December.[107] Brockway ( talk) 18:18, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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That John sang "Baby, you're a rich fag Jew" during the recording of " Baby, You're a Rich Man" is a rumor. [1] It's not true! Why did it got deleted? Wikipedia is an internet encyclopedia with facts, not not fake fictional rumors! "Baby, you're a rich fag Jew" is a rumor. This is from the site: "According to popular myth, John definitely sings "Baby you're a rich fat Jew". According to the other popular myth, John definitely sings "Baby you're a rich fag Jew". According to another less popular myth, Paul is the culprit. These statements are supposedly directed at Brian Epstein. While I can well believe that this is not beyond John's sometimes cruel and scathing sense of humour, it is not the case on this recording. It is not "very clear that he is saying it", nor is it true "because I read it in a book about the Beatles". The words are simply "Baby You're A Rich Man Too". It sounds more like "A Reech Ma Too" simply because of lack of diction. This is another case of reading too much into a lyric." That's the truth. That Wikipedia has the fake facts make me mad. Please correct this. Thank you. -- NRKfan ( talk) 01:43, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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Another editor insists on adding to the lead and infobox that Lennon was an actor. Yes, he had many roles: we could also add that he was an author, artist and poet. Nevertheless, all of these roles (including actor) pale against his roles as singer and songwriter. Thoughts? WWGB ( talk) 03:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
When rewording the text to avoid the implication that "Give Peace a Chance" was released after the Beatles' break-up, and the statement that Lennon only recorded as a solo artist after that event, I've ended up adding mention of " Instant Karma!" and " Happy Xmas (War Is Over)". I'd say they're far better known than "Working Class Hero", but a message does say to raise the issue here. I've not done this before making the change, I admit, because the change came about for the reason explained. JG66 ( talk) 02:29, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi there,
I recently edited the page to have Elton John listed under Lennon's associated acts (Lennon is included on Elton's page - not my edit), but it has been removed with the citation that it was a 'one-time association'. Due to collaborations on each other's projects: Elton appearing on John's Mind Games album, most famously collaborating on Whatever Gets You Thru the Night and John appearing on Elton's recordings (under the occasional pseudonym of 'Dr Winston O'Boogie'), and their performing live together - which led to John's reconciliation with Yoko (as well as, away from music, Elton becoming Sean Lennon's godfather), I'd hardly suggest it was a "one-time" association. Any thoughts?
Aefevans ( talk) 16:34, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
A lot of these references are for this book "The John Lennon Encyclopedia," an unauthorized biography with 2 Amazon reviews. How can this be considered a reliable source? For example, it says John terrorized Cynthia with physical violence, but Cynthia herself said in her book "John" that he hit her one and only one time when they were teenagers.
Watda89 ( talk) 09:33, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
This article states he was pronounced dead at 11:00 PM, but the article about his death states 11:15 PM. Which is correct? RyanDanielst ( talk) 01:43, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't see why this should be included under "Political activism". The sources we have dispute the assertion that Lennon was conservative. It is also not notable from an encyclopedic point of view. He didn't go public with his supposed views; he took no particular actions to support them. The assertion that a musician made a political comment in the heat of the moment — possibly under the influence of alcohol etc — just isn't very notable. It would be notable if it led to a public manifestation, but it didn't.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm a big fan of John Lennon and have read several biographies about him over the years but I was shocked to see him placed in categories like Category:British feminists. He had a history of treating women horribly despite all of his talent. Can we remove these three categories which hardly apply to Lennon? I mean, it might be nice for his fans to think of him as a precursor of feminism but he wasn't and I doubt he would describe himself as a feminist unless it was towards the end of his life. Liz Read! Talk! 03:40, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Bad idea force me write such things (several arguments are directed vs John). Because John is my idol also.
Lennon is not the British Queen or Albert Einstein (example). He's just the music industry, entertainment (like and Beatles). At a very high level, I don't argue. His musical influence is also a simple music industry (other bands: Oasis and so on ....). Actions for Peace some people consider ordinary PR. Lover of different drugs. But he never hide this.
Without Vasin The Beatles can not become strongly known in the huge state (USSR). He is a creator of them fame there. John must say very great thanks to him. Without Vasin and people like him The Beatles can not crush the communism on the huge part of the Earth (changing of political rejimes has a huge meaning). Compare this with some other tributes (those tributes look like zero, when compare).
Vasin is known around the world. Great man by the words of sir Paul Mccartney. Vasin lost his life because of this tribute, by the way, stop humiliate him. He is another victim of The Beatles (Sharon Tate in this row). Article does not know such sad fact.
Etc.
I suggest place the tribute of Kolya into the article. - Yellow Man 1000 ( talk) 18:37, 23 December 2018 (UTC).
It is abundantly obvious that the consensus is correct. This article should clearly not include a section on this tribute. NEDOCHAN ( talk) 01:29, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
As most readers will certainly know, the Internet is full of casual references to John Lennon being a domestic abuser, with some comments going so far as to say he belongs on the long list of "#MeToo" villains. Lennon helped create this perception with his now notorious (but somewhat vague) admission to Playboy magazine in 1980 that "I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically… any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn’t express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women…". And apparently a former housekeeper of the Lennons claims to have witness one or more episodes of abuse.
To state the obvious, even one act of domestic violence is something to be treated seriously. But was Lennon a serial abuser, or a "monster" as many articles or blog posts online claim? If the evidence from Cynthia Lennon and others backs up this conclusion, it seems reasonable to include that information in this article or others. There's also the possibility that Lennon was painting his own past transgressions with an overly broad brush, making his younger self sound more awful, as a way of 'proving' how much wisdom and serenity he had attained by 1980. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.23.19 ( talk) 20:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Original poster, answering question above: I haven't read Cynthia biography, or her interviews, or any other accounts, so I really don't know what information is out there. I just noticed a lack of nuance in online discussions of Lennon's behavior. But if there simply isn't much 1st hand testimony from Cynthia or others, than I guess a more nuanced treatment isn't possible within the context of Wikipedia, and the Internet will do what the internet will do otherwise. Thanks for your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.23.19 ( talk) 21:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm wondering why a low-resolution image that shows Lennon's side profile and not his entire face is being used as the image on this page's infobox, when more recent, better quality and larger images are available. -- Mr Serious Guy ( talk) 16:35, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm really surprised about the lack of coverage – the complete omission in most cases – of many of Lennon's best-known songs from the Beatles era. I appreciate that his biographical article has a lot to cover and many key points are going to be underplayed, by necessity. But the omission of any mention of his songwriting during the Rubber Soul and Revolver period (and of any mention of those albums at all) needs to be addressed, in my opinion. I've already added some text about two major "message" songs from 1967–68, "All You Need Is Love" and "Revolution", but I'd say more is needed in this direction. For instance, when discussing the Please Please Me album, the mention that Lennon "had yet to bring his love of wordplay to bear on his song lyrics" and that lyrics were "irrelevant" to him seems to invite further comment: that a) Lennon began to consistently produce more thoughtful and personal lyrics from Beatles for Sale onwards, after meeting Dylan; and b) he made a point of introducing the wit and wordplay of his books in his lyrics for Rubber Soul, after being challenged on the subject by Kenneth Allsop. I mean, to read in the sentence discussing Sgt. Pepper that the album "revealed lyrics by Lennon that contrasted strongly with the simple love songs of the group's early years" seems shockingly bland and inadequate(!). More than that, though, it's the sort of general description that most sources apply to Rubber Soul, if not before, with his lyrics on Revolver and the musical arrangements given to the songs representing a complete breakthrough in pop songwriting.
In 1968, his activities with Ono led to the British establishment turning on the Beatles by charging him with drug possession (a bust that, as with Harrison's a few months later, was widely viewed as a stitch-up by the infamous Norman Pilcher). I think this lack of tolerance from the authorities, and the similar turn in public opinion against the Beatles, for so long Britain's national treasures, and particularly Lennon, should be mentioned in the article also.
While there is some discussion of Lennon's December 1970 Rolling Stone interview, in the last paragraph under "1966–1970: Studio years, break-up and solo work", I think a brief mention in the next section, following details on the Plastic Ono Band album, would be in order. As detailed in Lennon Remembers, the interview was a major event in early-1970s Beatles history and its influence on Lennon's standing, and the way the public and the media viewed the band's break-up, was immense.
Under 1973–1975, if not at the end of the previous subsection, I think it needs stating that Lennon was crushed by the critical and commercial failure of Some Time in New York City and barely wrote a song for many months. Ono, on the other hand, remained highly prolific, and Lennon continued to produce her Apple recordings (something we don't mention at all in the article) but was basically relegated to a supporting role in their artistic partnership. Not that it needs discussing in the article, but this was a factor in the couple separating, and Ono telling him to go "find himself" in LA.
Under Political activism, it would be more accurate to mention that Lennon washed his hands of radical politics and any sort of activism in late 1972. We currently give the impression that he was especially active in 1969–72 (which is true, he was) but not that he then wholeheartedly turned his back on such activities; he ridiculed activism and political demonstrations in a 1975 interview, for instance. This sort of off/on, pro/anti contradiction in Lennon – and, as mentioned, it's the story of his career from about 1967 onwards (in turns, pro Summer of Love, Maharishi, pacifism, Janov, Mao, only to drop and replace each philosophical belief within a year) – can be covered in the previous, chronological sections to some extent, and I've made a few additions already with that in mind. But I haven't been able to shake off the feeling that, with such emphasis drawn specifically to his role as a political activist (ie, with a dedicated section), we're underplaying the facets of his personality and career for which he was equally famous, and undoubtedly more popular and critically lauded. I'm referring to him as "the dreamer" (a description I often read) – the psychedelic Lennon who managed to capture a generation's imagination by avoiding dogma and any sort of activism. Pre Ono, in other words, not that I've got any bias against her whatsoever (in case it needs saying). I don't know, I'm probably not expressing myself too well ... This issue could well be a carry-over from the lack of attention given to the Rubber Soul/Revolver period (songs like "Norwegian Wood", "In My Life", "Nowhere Man", "Rain", "Tomorrow Never Knows", "She Said She Said"); perhaps it will sort itself out once Lennon's work from that period has some sort of presence in the article.
Pinging Laser brain, because I get the impression he watches these Beatle FAs, and I know he's knowledgeable about Featured Article content. LB: I notice Paul McCartney is considerably longer than this one, counting the Notes text also (but not the references, of course); would you agree then that here at John Lennon the article could be expanded somewhat? I'm not talking about a large increase in length at all, and in fact there are a couple of areas where text could be trimmed anyway, which would lessen the increase overall. Thanks, JG66 ( talk) 17:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
We had permission to use the Gruen NYC t-shirt photo, but someone decided the permission wasn't real. Use a Beatle pic, if necessary. He was one of the most photographed people in the world. We can do better than this lol Hotcop2 ( talk) 21:30, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
CarterLennon, regarding your recent change, moving one of the 1964 images into the infobox, I thought you were in favour of using the 1980 image? Regardless, perhaps you and Beatleswillneverdie might like to join this discussion.
Based on what Hotcop2 and BeatlesLedTV have said above, and going from the current version of the article, I propose we use this 1969 image in the infobox: it's ideally proportioned, unlike the over-cropped, head-filled 1964 images and the 1980 one. Just compare with infoboxes at George Harrison, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr and then come back here to John Lennon, or take a look at other music artist articles – Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Elton John, etc. (Personally, I get a "Whoa, weird – so much face!" moment each time I return to this page, especially with that 1980 image [because it's so ghoulish], but also whenever we've had one of the two 1964 cropped shots in the infobox.) We should then move the 1969 J & Y image up from the Yoko Ono section to "1966–1970: Studio years, break-up and solo work", replacing the one that's relocated to the infobox, and include the full 1980 image of the couple down at Yoko Ono, which I believe we had there for a long while anyway.
This regular swapping around of the infobox image is getting somewhat tiresome, and as far as I was aware at the time, for years we had the 1969 Bed-In picture without any problem. More recently, perhaps over the last year or so, there's been a spate of swapping them around based on individual editors' personal opinion. It would be good to establish some sort of consensus on the issue, and I think my proposal makes sense with regard to the article as a whole – eg, J & Y 1969 is a logical image to include in the text discussing Lennon's move away from the Beatles over 1968–69, and J & Y 1980 fits the relationship-focused discussion down at Yoko Ono. That's in addition to the fact that three of us here have said an emphatic "no" to the 1980 image appearing in the infobox. JG66 ( talk) 05:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I agree with CarterLennon. I might end up changing the photo. Beatleswillneverdie ( talk) 09:57, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
The 1969 bed-in photo doesn't fully show Lennon's face like BeatlesLedTV stated. I think the one certainly being used is the best one. Beatleswillneverdie ( talk) 10:43, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Hotcop2, where in that source, Miles 1997 p. 272, does it say that Lennon and Ono in fact met before 9 November 1966 and that Lennon gave Ono the handwritten lyrics to "The Word" in 1965? Ono arrived in London in September 1966. Miles' description is simply referring to McCartney having met Ono a short time before Lennon attended the Indica Gallery show. Ono visited McCartney, along with a few other well-to-do artists in central London no doubt, looking for manuscripts to give to John Cage. Miles says that "not long afterwards" Ono puts the same request to Lennon and receives the lyrics to "The Word". But just because this information appears in the section of text discussing "The Word" and other 1965 songs, you appear to be assuming that this meeting and exchange of song lyrics must have taken place in 1965. In fact, it's simply a case of the author adding the point where it's relevant in McCartney's story (specifically to a song he co-wrote), just as, say, mention of the Manson Family's 1969 killing spree and 1970 trial appears in a section of the book discussing McCartney's songwriting in 1968, specifically songs such as "Helter Skelter" and "Blackbird" that were said to have inspired the killings.
The line that appears at the start of the "Yoko Ono" section here – "Two versions exist of how Lennon met Yoko Ono." – is unsupported editorialisation. The subsequent comment that "The second version, told by McCartney, is that in late 1965, Ono was in London compiling original musical scores for a book John Cage was working on ..." is rubbish, as far as the date goes. And it's original research to say that the point about Ono's manuscript-hunting in any way contradicts the widely accepted story of the couple's first meeting. JG66 ( talk) 17:01, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Hotcop2: This same point was queried at Yoko Ono in October 2010 ( Talk:Yoko Ono/Archive 1#Deletion from section outlining relationship with Paul McCartney) and it has appeared in that article since or before then, I imagine. You defended it as fact there too. I completely agree with Dsnmi's point there that the statement's "misleading and factually inaccurate" but not with the idea that Miles dates McCartney and Ono's meeting to 1965 – he does not.
In page 272 of the book, there's McCartney's recollection of he and Lennon, in 1965, writing out a multicoloured lyric sheet for "The Word". The author's voice then takes over:
So where in all of that does it say that this occurred in 1965? And where does it claim to present a different scenario to the widely accepted version of when and how Lennon first met Ono? JG66 ( talk) 17:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
John Lennon returned his MBE with an attached nastygram to the queen. There are plenty of sources including that the MBE has been recently discovered and Lennon fans want it made public. Wlmg ( talk) 19:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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Robert Caryle plays him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:151F:861D:28B7:3E89:9F67:C6B2 ( talk) 02:49, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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I've read that Lennon admitted to having beat his girlfriends and may have charged with domestic abuse. If so, I'm wondering why this isn't in the wiki article.
It is - it's in the section on Cyntha Lennon. Humbledaisy ( talk) 20:05, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Lennon_en_zijn_echtgenote_Yoko_Ono_op_huwelijksreis_in_Amsterdam._John_Lenn,_Bestanddeelnr_922-2314.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Lennon_en_zijn_echtgenote_Yoko_Ono_op_huwelijksreis_in_Amsterdam._John_Lenn,_Bestanddeelnr_922-2305.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Lennon_en_zijn_echtgenote_Yoko_Ono_op_huwelijksreis_in_Amsterdam._John_Lenn,_Bestanddeelnr_922-2307.jpg
We crop his face and put it as the main picture.
I think the current image is better. It's closer up, and he's looking straight at the camera. Humbledaisy ( talk) 08:51, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
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I had obtained permission from Bob Gruen to use the iconic NYC t-shirt in this article, but some overzealous editors wouldn't permit it. Too bad. That would've been the perfect photo. Hotcop2 ( talk) 18:18, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
The Section 1957-1966 contains a 1964 photo of the band, but Ringo Starr is missing in the photograph. The overwhelming majority of Beatles photos shows the Fab Four, not the Fab Three with a missing link. IMHO, this photograph is inappropriate in the article because Starr is missing. This picture should be either deleted or replaced with a photo of all four band members. Anthony22 ( talk) 19:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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I have found that the information of "Years Active" is not quite right, is think it should be "1957-1980" though he released his last song in 1984.
I would like to edit this article because it seems that I have found some mistakes with the following information, I will fix anything wrong with this article if you allow me to edit the article. Thank You. Musa2006 ( talk) 22:08, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
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change https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/John_Lennon_1969_%28cropped%29.jpg to https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/rs-102102-016_john_yoko_smoke.jpg?w=1260 Nico4ocin ( talk) 06:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
The article says that John visited Julia when he was 11, and showed him Elvis records, but according to the Elvis page, Presley didn't start recording until he was 19, which was 3 years later. Is the article just poorly phrased, and did Lennon visit regularly after the age of 11 for some extended period of time? JohnCena9899 ( talk) 18:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I added a capitalism quote a couple months back. For some reason NEDOCHAN wants it removed despite being on this page for months. He removes it out of the blue. I'm not understanding the logic that this quote, which is sourced and was posted on John Lennon's verified facebook page, cannot be added to his wikipedia page in the political activism section. SuperBikeFan ( talk) 00:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
"Lennon’s time of repose didn’t last long, however. By 1980, he had re-emerged with a new album and plans to become politically active again. The old radical was back and ready to cause trouble. In his final interview on Dec. 8, 1980, Lennon mused, “The whole map’s changed and we’re going into an unknown future, but we’re still all here, and while there’s life there’s hope.” One of Lennon's final acts right before he died was to help workers. John Whitehead has written numerous articles for the Huffington Post as seen here
https://www.huffpost.com/author/johnw-973 This isn't a random conspiracy theorist. He's written for legit sites for years.
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I support keeping the quote in there, because I think it adds to people’s understanding of his political activism. Rainer Shea ( talk) 17:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC) — Rainer Shea ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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I am requesting a change to the photo of John Lennon at the top of his page. The current photo is somewhat unflattering and there are many better photos that could be used. Here are some of my personal suggestions.
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Please remove the Assassinated word from his death date, statesmen are assassinated, not pop singers. 2.26.251.158 ( talk) 22:57, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Anticipating that one does not simply add a word to the John Lennon Wikipedia article without argument, I'd like to support my addition of the word "former" with this:
Chapman was smarting. His dislike would only intensify with each passing year. Lennon, he decided, was a hypocrite. The release of “Imagine” in 1971 – a song Chapman considered communist – was perhaps the final straw. “He told us to imagine no possessions,” he would say, “and there he was, with millions of dollars and yachts and farms and country estates, laughing at people like me who had believed the lies and bought the records and built a big part of their lives around his music.” [1]
That said, I get that he is characterized as a fan, he's been described as behaving in fan-like ways, etc., it just seems like he really wasn't. He was more of a deluded maniac with some shreds of previous fandom whirling around psychotically in what used to be his mind. (/ WP:OR). I won't challenge a reversion. Though, p.s., he did go to New York in October 1980 intending the shooting then, but changed his mind. Actions of a fan? ЄlєvєN єvєN||иэvэ иэvэl3 11:28, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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Notice the phrasing is not "fan", but "Beatles fan". He was a fan of the group, not John Lennon. He still enjoys the music to this day. Yes, it makes no sense... That's mental illness for you. ili ( talk) 11:38, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Dear Established Editors of Wikipedia, Please change the front photo to another photo of him. There's A LOT of photos where he looked good in instead of that one of him in 1969! (But if you do change it, please don't use THAT photo of him, I'm sure you know which one I meant - the one everyone used as if it's the only photo of John Lennon on the internet.) Preferably, him in the late 70s or him in the 60s would do just fine. I hope you considered my request as a lot of people I know (including me) who liked John Lennon have been so bothered by that photo. Thank you. Sincerely, your loyal Wikipedia reader.
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I noticed that it appears the image of John for the infobox has been 'enhanced' using AI upscaling, perhaps an app like Remini. The app processes images using AI to pick out faces and replace parts (eyes, nose, mouth, hair etc) with higher quality counterparts. It's impressive but has a certain smoothed-out, uncanny look to it. I don't wish to sound dramatic but, if such an app has been used, this isn't really a genuine picture of John Lennon anymore. I think it was fine as it was - the grain wasn't so much of a problem that the image needed to be doctored in this way. Humbledaisy ( talk) 20:45, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
It's present on the current image, but I think the 'enhancing' was introduced with the colourised version. You can see the difference comparing the current version with the original image. It's been altered quite a bit - the AI version introduces some inauthentic detail, replacing Lennon's face and hair, and removes other details (John's cheeks, neck and jumper are all smoothed out). Humbledaisy ( talk) 21:50, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Does no one care? Compare the current version of the image with the one before it. The one before is grainier and has some bits of dirt that could be removed with manual retouching, but it's fine for the infobox. The replacement is an AI-generated upscale that is inauthentic and no longer photographic. Humbledaisy ( talk) 00:21, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't have much to add, but I just want to add to the consensus and state that I agree, it appears to have been enhanced by AI and shouldn't be used as that makes it doctored. - ChainSmoker82 ( talk) 17:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Glad you folks agree. I think a reversion to 2 February 2019 version would be best, yes. I have prepared a version of that with those pesky white spots manually removed, but I don't have the permission to add it myself. Humbledaisy ( talk) 21:17, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Can John get a proper profile picture where he is not on Heroin? He has a lot of nice pictures, I don't see why you have to use one where he looks (and feels) like a mess. I think a picture from around 1967 would be more proper here, considering that was a good time for him and he also had an iconic look then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A457:E645:1:992F:D0DF:A49E:3D5C ( talk) 15:20, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
The problem with that is finding a nice image of him that also fits into Wikipedia's image use policy ChainSmoker82 ( talk) 18:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
I propose we use this photo on Wikimedia Commons. It's very similar to the current photo, but I think it looks overall better with superior lighting. ChainSmoker82 ( talk) 01:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Should this article point out that John Lennon was placed eighth in the poll of 100 Greatest Britons in 2002? Vorbee ( talk) 10:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
The name of the assassin should not be mentioned in the third paragraph of the article, but only in the murder chapter. In my humble opinion, this kind of highlight is not only a prime example of what not to do regarding murders for notoriety but above all a lack of respect for John Lennon (unintended, of course). Could you modify it, please? Thank you! Nuno Santos (removed email address, which is not allowed on Wikipedia)
I would humbly propose changing the "years active" on this page to 1956-1980. I understand why it is is 1975-1980, but John wasn't artistically inactive during this five year period--he was writing songs and made some artistic contributions during this period. Also, this page deals with John's efforts as a writer, and a manuscript of his written during this period was published posthumously. So yes, I understand the historic reasons for the way this part of the page is how it is, and I also think a case could be made for ignoring the retirement period in this section of the page. I'll leave this for others to decide whether to change this or not.
I recently tweaked the infobox cause of death from "Gunshot wound" to "Murder by gunshot", with a wikilink pointing to Murder of John Lennon. As everyone knows, there are different levels of causation; I find gunshot wound to be a direct, low level cause, while murder is a higher level cause. My reason for the change is that "Murder by gunshot" captures both these levels of causation in a concise manner, while "gunshot wound" does not. I also think that a wikilink to the article about the circumstances of the specific death of John Lennon should be more helpful than an article about gunshot wounds in general. Unfortunately both these changes were reverted in one sweep.
There has been a discussion about clarifying the death cause parameter, but without any consensus other than a case by case judgement of relevance. In this case, "Murder by gunshot" would not only give concise, enlightening information, but also make sense when compared to e.g. "Suicide by gunshot" ( Kurt Cobain) and "Assassination by gunshot" ( Olof Palme). -- St.nerol ( talk) 08:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
The original page did not cite the killer's name. I added the name thinking that this fact was not contentious but it was removed as it "wasn't a good idea". I'm not sure what that meant and as the killer is named elsewhere in Wikipedia can't see what the purpose of hiding the name is. Gusdeadman ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
John Lennon was only shot once in the back please change the cause of death section to “gunshot wound” instead of “gunshot wounds”. Editor man12115 ( talk) 04:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Is there a reason the harmonica is not listed under "instruments" in the infobox? GravityIsForSuckers ( talk) 19:50, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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Please change the time of Lennon's DOA to 11:15 p.m. (EST) so the correct time is shown. https://www.biography.com/news/john-lennon-death-timeline 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 03:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
There is an RfC here regarding the use of post-nominals for people who have returned their medals. Sdrqaz ( talk) 13:46, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
I saw that Julia was categorized under people with bipolar disorder, even when she was never diagnosed (I assume). I wonder if we can put John in this category as well? Considering what we know about him, I think it's fairly obvious he was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A457:E645:1:88BE:F396:5273:B150 ( talk) 20:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Are there any actual reputable sources for either Julia or John being bipolar? Humbledaisy ( talk) 21:37, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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I'd like to open a dicussion about a new photo for John Lennon. The photo as of now, is a rather low quality, 1969 photograph. It should be a photo from 1980 - the last year of his life. The man didn't die in 1969, afterall. Gyijfvbjfg ( talk) 05:14, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
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Given recent history with it being briefly changed or altered it and being reverted because of consensus, I think this really is the best picture we have for now. As for having a 1980 image over a 1969 image, I think images of deceased people at their most notable and recognisable stage are usually favoured. The infobox for Marlon Brando, for example, shows him in the 1955. Humbledaisy ( talk) 18:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
I propose to merge Alfred Lennon into John Lennon. I think that the content in the Alfred Lennon article can easily be explained in the context of the John Lennon article. It is likely that Alfred Lennon does not meet WP:BIO and any information that is not already duplicated can be incorporated into the John Lennon article without any problems as far as the John Lennon article size is concerned. Consensus on merger and redirection would be preferable to nominating Alfred Lennon for deletion. JeanPassepartout ( talk) 03:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Alfred Lennon is a notable figure worthy of his own article. His article has too much detail to be merged into John's. Proposing to merge Alfred Lennon's article into John Lennon's is like proposing to merge Lee Harvey Oswald into JFK. TuckerTVG ( talk) 04:55, 16 November 2020 (CST)
The article states (citing Coleman) that, "Although he used the name John Ono Lennon thereafter, official documents referred to him as John Winston Ono Lennon, since he was not permitted to revoke a name given at birth." A note earlier in the article says, "Technically, Lennon was unable to lose the Winston from his name, as UK law dictates that a person is unable to fully revoke a name given at birth."
The problem is there is no such UK law. I'm not disputing Coleman may say this, but it's complete nonsense. The UK Government's official page on changing your name says, "You can change any part of your name, add or remove names and hyphens, or change spelling." I can't find anything outside of Beatles-dom that makes this claim. Can we just change this to: "Although he used the name John Ono Lennon thereafter, some official documents referred to him as John Winston Ono Lennon."? Bondegezou ( talk) 17:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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In Early Childhood, it lists John's parents deciding he'd stay with "Julia", his mother, rather than "Mimi", his aunt who he actually spent adolescence with. 108.168.97.92 ( talk) 15:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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Under associated acts in the info box, David Bowie and Elton John could be added. Both artists have worked on songs with John Lennon. Iacoblanzer ( talk) 23:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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Adding Harry Nilsson as an associated act, seeing as he made an album with him (Pussy Cats) and worked with him a lot on the mid 70s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Cats Agent101232 ( talk) 17:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The article should mention Lennon's family were outraged when he admitted funding the Provisional IRA at the height of its terrorist bombing campaign: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/john-lennons-family-hit-the-roof-when-funds-were-donated-to-ira-26125005.html ( Gdfifer ( talk) 17:10, 22 July 2021 (UTC))
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Suggested change “his songwriting partnership with Paul McCartney remains the most successful in history” —> one of the most successful (This is an opinion and should not be stated as a fact. The source cited is a listicle) 107.77.234.198 ( talk) 13:21, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
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According to a comment on this page on Beatles Bible - https://www.beatlesbible.com/1969/04/22/john-lennon-changes-his-middle-name-to-ono/ - there is actually no UK law that requires citizens to keep birth names. Elton John legally changed his name from Reginald Kenneth Dwight to Elton Hercules John in 1972. John was actually not the bassist on the final take of " Helter Skelter", but in reality, according to https://www.reddit.com/r/beatles/comments/83ghlg/what_bass_is_being_played_in_helter_skelter/, it was actually Paul McCartney playing his left-handed Fender Jazz Bass. 27.32.188.134 ( talk) 05:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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This was recently added to the lead: "Songs written and performed primarily by Lennon for the group include 'Help!', 'Nowhere Man', 'In My Life', 'Strawberry Fields Forever' and 'I Am the Walrus'." Considering Lennon's vast songwriting catalog, selection of a few songs is very subjective, especially for the WP:LEAD. What makes these songs more notable for the lead compared to (for example): Please Please Me, If I Fell, A Hard Day's Night, I'm A Loser, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, It's Only Love, Norwegian Wood, Girl, And Your Bird Can Sing, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, A Day in the Life, All You Need Is Love, Revolution, Rain? Other editors may have a different list that they prefer. The simplest solution is to delete that sentence, although a reliable source naming specific songs as most outstanding (or consensus) could help; but consensus could be an endless debate, and there could be numerous sources that disagree. Sundayclose ( talk) 16:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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Line in opening about McCartney and Lennon having the most successful songwriting partnership in history is linked to a piece that simply makes this claim with no support. I agree with it, but it is an opinion against neutral point of view policy. 24.90.249.6 ( talk) 06:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
As sources at the moment this is an entirely subjective statement. The source in the lede is little more than an opinion piece. It is not adequate for WP:LEADCITE Unbh ( talk) 03:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC) It's also clear from the above that this is a perrenial issue. A better source that a listicle should be found to support this statement regardless of whether Billboard is generally RS Unbh ( talk) 03:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Should The Dirty Mac be part of the associated acts? Or not because it was just a one-time event? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A457:E645:1:F142:7F62:44AB:1A5 ( talk) 15:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think so — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C46:4500:618:D835:F2CE:9DA6:FF49 ( talk) 06:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I think it’s too minor as a one-time thing, it’s just a very famous one. We wouldn’t have, for instance, the Smokin’ Mojo Filters (a similar rock supergroup who achieved a UK top 20 single) for McCartney. Humbledaisy ( talk)
Menlove Ave was another post-humous release of John Lennon's recordings in 1986. There is even a Wikipedia page for it. /info/en/?search=Menlove_Ave. 139.85.223.11 ( talk) 16:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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Julian is older than Sean and should be listed first 73.246.51.207 ( talk) 15:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
I noticed that User:ILIL reverted my change of the lead image. In my opinion, the image I proposed is a much more flattering image, and it's higher resolution. I also believe the original image is a little bit distorted (I could be wrong about that; he could just be at a strange angle). The contrast/lighting in the original image is also poor. My proposed image also has Lennon facing towards the text, as per MOS:PORTRAIT, while the original image has him facing slightly away from the text. The images were taken within a week of each other (March 1969), so the optimal time period for a lead image isn't an issue when comparing these two images. I'd like to hear your thoughts, ILIL, as well as the opinions of anyone else. ~ BappleBusiness [talk] 23:09, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
I prefer the current one that was reverted by User:ILIL. The other image may be higher quality, but the lighting isn't really on Lennon's face - the image is low-contrast but Lennon is still a little in the shadows. The other is more high-contrast but he's looking at the camera and doesn't look like he's mid-sentence. I imagine sometime in the not-too-distant future, we will find a better candidate but I think that's the best we have for now. Humbledaisy ( talk) 13:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
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Born: October 9, 1940 Assassinated: December 8, 1980 2600:8807:2D09:900:D7E3:EAC1:8C1E:2BA7 ( talk) 19:28, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
I can't find a definitive source that his ashes were scattered in Central Park. I only found a sources that said his ashes are presumed to have been scattered there. 74.196.122.198 ( talk) 12:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
This article has scatterings of synthesis and OR. I've recently removed a line saying that people are still mourning, which was uncited. The next piece of prose was about memorials. Every dead person is still mourned, this is just fan cruft. It needs to be removed Very Average Editor ( talk) 19:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Not sure why my edit has been reverted but should we avoid the simultaneous use of "singer" and "musician" in the lead sentence? Thedarkknightli ( talk) 09:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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The original red cast photo was just that, the original. Now I can understand a simple crop. But the constant change of the photo has become increasingly unnecessary. First of all there was nothing wrong with the original photo. In fact it is higher quality than the one that is currently being used because it hasn't been artificially edited numerous times by who knows what. If the only basis against the original was personal preference against the red cast, fine. But at what cost? The photo now almost looks as if it is on the verge of being a drawing. I would like to get other opinions about this because I feel like the red cast is the lesser of evils when it comes to the lowering of quality and artificial lighting that it has become. PositivelyJordan ( talk) 10:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Modification of this entry is necessary. I do not believe that the statement "Double Fantasy was not well received" is factually correct. The album was eagerly anticipated in general, in light of Lennon's 5-year hiatus from the music scene, and then met with instant success upon its release. This wiki article cites ONE critic only. The album received wide airplay immediately upon its release. The reservoir of critiques of the album untainted by John's murder may be small, as John was murdered so shortly after its release, however I believe a survey of reviews would show that the majority of evaluations of Double Fantasy were favorable. Melody Maker's "indulgent sterility" is the harshest thing I have ever read about the album. This Wikipedia article incorrectly makes it sound like this album was treated by the critics similarly to Some Time in New York City. It was not. Far from it. I urge someone to research this; it is factually incorrect to say critical reviews in general were unfavorable. It is fiction to say the album was not well-received. John was ecstatic, and congratulated Yoko on co-writing a #1 album -- which she modestly dismissed, though arguably her best songwriting to date was on that album, and even her songs were well-received -- Kiss Kiss Kiss received immediate AOR airplay. John would not have been ecstatic and the world would not have been so horribly shocked upon his murder if Lennon had released a stinker of an album. Check out the liner notes to the single release of Walking on Thin Ice (For John) to see Yoko's statements of John's ecstatic feelings, for one. The album was well-received, period. It outsold Melody Maker and their whiny review which now distorts this historical record of events. Balertwine ( talk) 18:11, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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John Lennon was bestowed, just like all the other beatles, an MBE-- this is not signified on his name, while he did return his metal to the queen, it was only symbolic, as the title under british law cannot be forfeited. It should read John Lennon, MBE Cambrooks ( talk) 03:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
He is MBE, so why does not he have the title "Sir" in front of his name? Sven Müller 78.51.207.254 ( talk) 21:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Removed citation needed tag from first sentence in "Awards and sales" subsection. The statement that the "Lennon-McCartney songwriting partnership is regarded as one of the most influential and successful of the 20th Century" has no more need of a citation than a statement that the sky on planet Earth will be blue in color on a sunny, cloudless day. PJtP ( talk) 04:13, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The sentence in the article header "John Winston Ono Lennon, MBE (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) was an English musician and singer-songwriter" should be changed to "John Winston Ono Lennon, MBE (9 October 1940 – 8 December 1980) was an English musician, singer and songwriter.", because the hyphen in between singer and songwriter insinuates that he only sang the songs he wrote. -- 70.120.83.126 ( talk) 22:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Yoko Ono in Dublin today: http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/lennon-considered-himself-irish-3146236.html. Also, will somebody change the number of dead on Bloody Sunday from 13 to 14 people. See Bloody Sunday (1972). 109.77.151.160 ( talk) 21:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm surprised there's not a section about his death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.82.226 ( talk) 21:20, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
I removed the post-nominal letters fFrom the infobox after reading the guideline at WP:POSTNOM. It appears to discuss only the lead section and nothing else. From that I gather post-noms only go in the first sentence.
However, the practise for honorific titles in infoboxes is different. The official title "Sir" or "Dame" would go both in the infobox and in the first sentence, according to MOS:HONORIFIC.
I hold that the infobox should say simply "John Lennon" at the top, and nothing more. The first sentence should follow his name with MBE. Binksternet ( talk) 02:31, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Can someone post the information on Lennon's letter to Oral Roberts and his 1969 interview to the CBC? It plays in contrast to his public image and shows how complex he was and his changing points of view as he aged.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/januaryweb-only/001-22.0.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2403617/Bigger-than-Jesus-The-Beatles-were-a-Christian-band.html — Preceding
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This article has a photo of 251 Menlove Avenue, and that house even has its own article, but there is no picture of the earlier-mentioned 9 Newcastle Road. Is it still standing? Can we have a picture of it? Is this it? Credulity ( talk) 11:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
What is the basis for the claim that he could not change his name by deed poll? - "since he was not permitted to revoke a name given at birth". Anyone can change their name by deed poll. 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 01:49, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Lennon was believed to be very left wing politically. But I recall hearing an interview with someone who knew him well - I do not recall now who it was - who said that Lennon was far more conservative personally than his public persona, and was even an admirer (if not supporter) of Ronald Reagan. Any verifiable quotes to add to the article? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 01:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Please add at least a 'See also' link to Death_of_John_Lennon. When one reads about a life, one also expects to learn something about the end of the life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.74.253 ( talk) 03:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to participate in an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles on the issue of capitalising the definite article when mentioning the band's name in running prose. This long-standing dispute is the subject of an open mediation case and we are requesting your help with determining the current community consensus. — Mr. Stradivarius ( have a chat) 14:44, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
John was actually born in Hamburg, not Liverpool like the article says Please change this if you see this Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by DEEPINTHEQ15 ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Founder Member is not a term. Lennon was a founding member, or the founder. Pick one, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.32.44 ( talk) 04:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Binksternet reverted me here, but I can't seem to find the justification in the Wikipedia MoS, which says: "The provisions in Article titles (above) generally apply to section headings as well (for example, headings are in sentence case, not title case)."
According to New Hart's Rules, "The word following a colon is not capitalised in British English (unless it is a proper name of course)." (p.74)
According to the CMOS, "6.61 Lowercase of capital letter after a colon. When a colon is used within a sentence ... the first word following the colon is lowercased." ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 22:19, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
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John Lennon has released many experimental music records in his career such as Unfinished Music No.1: Two Virgins. Shouldn't we also include experimental music (or avant-garde) in the genre section of the infobox? - Myxomatosis75 ( talk) 18:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
The "War is Over" billboard campaign was done over Christmas/New Year 1969. It was not done to promote the 'Happy Christmas war is over' single which was released in the US in 1971 and UK in 1972.
this song was written by unknown artist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.4.212 ( talk) 10:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I suggest to mention (feel free to decide where) that Liverpool Airport (formerly Speke Airport) was renamed in 2002 "Liverpool John Lennon Airport".
"Above us only sky", taken from Imagine's lyrics, is painted on the air terminal ceiling.
A wikilink can be added : [Liverpool John Lennon Airport]
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Cynthia Powell's name should at least be mentioned. She was his wife and the father of Julian, after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.118.26 ( talk) 02:02, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Today the humor web site The Onion posted an article about the John Lennon wikipedia page. [1] Enjoy! — SaxTeacher (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
There is a picture in the article with Jimmy Nichols instead of Ringo Starr. No mention of this being Jimmy Nichols, that caption just says it is Lennon with The Beatles. Rantedia ( talk) 07:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
In which section will you place this? Or is it relevant to this page? Its up to someone more knowledgeable than me.
According to an in interview with Yoko Ono in 2012, John Lennon practiced Transcendental Meditation (taught by Maharishi) up until he died (as did George Harrison. And Paul and Ringo have said many times that they still practice the technique today.) http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/06/27/yoko-ono (its at the end of the interview.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.50.134 ( talk) 13:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
I propose we add a Views section to this article, subdivided into Political, Social, and Religious. Lets face it, Lennon was outspoken about just about anything, and we should be able to find plenty on the subject.~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 10:53, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
"They were married at The Rock Hotel in Gibraltar on 20 March 1969,"
No, they weren't.
They were married at the Registry Office at 3 Secretary's Lane, which is where EVERYONE getting a quicky marriage in Gibraltar gets married -- something true for more than fifty years.
Incidentally, every source is incorrect when it says they were married at "the British Consulate" -- there WAS NO British Consulate, then or now. 76.218.9.50 ( talk) 23:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Lennon's personal worth should be mentioned. A Googe search suggests £200,000,000. Apparently, it annoyed Chapman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.5.40 ( talk) 15:02, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I made a small edit, inserting "test" into a sentence in the main article, then after saving and it applied, went to edit history and clicked undo. That was to prove a point to a user who was claiming this article was "Locked". As near as I can tell, based upon that brief gripe, it seems that the user is unfamiliar with most of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies, not to mention Protection, Semi-Protection, etc. If said editor wishes to learn, I'll help as I can and also seek assistance to guide the editor forward in understanding how Wikipedia works, as my time is rather sparse and I'm also still learning. This is largely for those monitoring page changes. Wzrd1 ( talk) 04:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I can't edit this page because I don't have a WP account, and I'm not getting one.
In the May Pang section, the hotlink to the "Lost Weekend" section in Pang's Wikipedia page is broken. The link here should have an uppercase W, not lowercase w. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.51.139 ( talk) 21:08, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
Some of those Double Fantasy/Milk and Honey songs weren't written in Burmuda. There are demos on YouTube that sow he was working on some of these in the late 70's. Maybe someone can find a proper source? The Wookieepedian ( talk) 05:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Memorial monument to John Lennon in Mohyliv-Podilskyi Ukraine on the monument says "Give peace a chance." There is a monument benches painted slogans hippies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodia1406 ( talk • contribs) 17:13, March 7, 2013
Cynthia Powell's name should at least be mentioned in the article. She was his wife, after all.
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In the section "1975–80: Retirement and return", I have found this at the start of the last sentence:
"Released jointly with Ono, Double Fantasy ..."
Try changing that to:
"Double Fantasy, released jointly by Lennon and Ono, ..."
The current wording could suggest the nonsensical release of Ono and Double Fantasy together.
128.63.16.20 ( talk) 16:59, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Partly done: Good catch. I've changed "with" to "by Lennon and" as you suggest, but left the syntax as is. That fixes it, I think. --
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Hi, how on Earth could this page start with "John Ono Lennon, MBE", when he had returned his Order in November 1969? Feťour ( talk) 12:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The opening sentence of the article states that John Lennon was an English musician. Personally, I thought that "British" was a more appropriate term to describe him. When the Beatles landed in New York City in February, 1964, it was the "British Invasion," not the "English Invasion." When the Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, Ed referred to them as "Britain's new singing sensation," not "England's new singing sensation." Also, one of the four major tournaments in golf is "The British Open;" I've never heard it referred to as "The English Open." I don't understand why my edit was reverted back to "English musician."
Anthony22 ( talk) 15:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
In the lead, shouldn't "Working Class Hero" be listed as an iconic song? It seems to be one of his most-covered songs post-Beatles, and seems to me to be a better choice than listing "Imagine" twice (which is what the article currently does). The Wookieepedian ( talk) 01:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
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In first paragraph change founder member to FOUNDING member of the beatles. 99.249.112.86 ( talk) 03:55, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
can someone edit where it says "Liverpool, Lancashire" to "Liverpool, Merseyside" as Liverpool is not in Lancashire. thanks 2.120.150.95 ( talk) 08:09, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
you misunderstand.. liverpool is in merseyside not Lancashire might be worth changing it for the rest of The beatles 2.120.150.95 ( talk) 06:21, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi! I live in Málaga (Spain) and I would like to say that John Lennon's car was bought some years ago by the motor museum and is still on display. You can find the museum at this location: Avenida Sor Teresa Prat, nº 15. Bye!
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Despite what may be disputed in you're current Wikipedia article, John actually met Epstein in 1962. Mattsblack ( talk) 01:23, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Might want to consider substituting a different photo, as this one includes Jimmy Nichols playing drums, not Ringo Starr. Nichols joined the Beatles for some dates in Europe and Australia in mid-1964 when Starr had tonsillitis. It would be better to have a photo with Ringo in it, of which there are many. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.144.110.131 ( talk) 16:05, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Wasn't he called this shouldn't this be in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C59C:1049:2598:10CA:E9E3:8463 ( talk) 02:43, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
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Notable instruments: Drums Cp.the.guitar.king ( talk) 22:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
In the Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr and George Harrison articles the infobox is "Infobox musical artist", but in the John Lennon article it is the so called "Infobox person"... why is that ? I wanted to add the lines "spouse" and "children" to the infobox in the Ringo Starr article... and it simply didn't work. What must be done? to update the John Lennon article by replacing the infobox? to update the "Infobox musical artist" by adding "children" and "spouse" lines? Kintaro ( talk) 10:59, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
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Please add a reference to Jihadi John in the hatnote, as that individual has also been called "John the Beatle". 209.211.131.181 ( talk) 17:36, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
I've change the amount in USD of the settlement. 100,000 pounds was just translated to $148,000 in the text. That might be correct today, but in 1968 the exchange rate was $2.40, giving a translation of $240,000 at the time. Pretty small by today's standards, but still much more than $140,000. Please also remember that both dollars and pounds bought alot more in those days, perhaps about twice as much (I haven't checked exact figures), so we're talking close to $500,000 in today's money. I haven't checked sources for this, other than [2] which shows the well-known fixed rate of $2.40 per pound. But checking our article for Cynthia Lennon, shows it's just a bit more complicated:
" The settlement was then raised to £100,000, £2,400 annually, and custody of Julian.[135] Another £100,000 was put into a trust fund which Julian would inherit when he was 21. Until that time, his mother would receive the interest payments. Their decree nisi was granted on 8 November 1968.[136] The trust fund had one codicil, which provided for any further children by Lennon, so when Sean Lennon was born in 1975, Julian's inheritance was cut to £50,000.[137]"
So let's not apply today's standards willy nilly and make Lennon look like a total piker.
Smallbones( smalltalk) 01:14, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
His harmonica playing is an important aspect of their early sound. I think the mouth organ deserves a mention in the instruments. (Of course, he also played the mellotron and bass guitar, but they're not that significant). -- Frozen Jese ( talk) 11:34, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
This man filled in for Ringo Starr on only 8 occasions when Starr had tonsillitis. A photo of the group with Starr must replace this photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.28.224.10 ( talk) 13:53, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
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Edit for the "John Lennon" page. Under the section labeled "8 December 1980: Death" the following sentence appears:
At around 10:50 pm on 8 December 1980, as Lennon and Ono returned to their New York apartment in the Dakota, Mark David Chapman shot Lennon in the back four times at the entrance to the building.
However, this is incorrect. He was shot *five* times. This can be verified on Wikipedia's own page devoted to John Lennon's death: "Death of John Lennon". Under the section labeled "Murder" the sentence correctly reads:
"Seconds later, Chapman took aim directly at the center of Lennon's back and fired five hollow-point bullets at him from a Charter Arms .38 Special revolver in rapid succession from a range of about nine or ten feet (about 3 m) away.[1]"
Ajpianoman ( talk) 06:43, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
The link 'skiffle craze' in the intro is dead, should probably be: Skiffle#Revival_in_the_United_Kingdom
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The bulk of evidence points to Lennon’s religious views being closest to someone who was critical of organized religion, but interested in spirituality. (See the article “religious beliefs of the Beatles.”) He leaned toward being agnostic in the 60’s, but categorizing him as an atheist based on a couple song quotations is deceptive. In fact, he had one song in 1973 with the line “Every day I thank the Lord and Lady for the way that you came to me.” He was also quoted as saying “I'm not afraid of death because I don't believe in it. It's just getting out of one car, and into another.” I’m removing him from this category. If anyone objects, let me know. Tidewater 2014 ( talk) 15:01, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I disagree strenuously. My feelings for Christianity aside, all the Beatles reviled organized religion. George was spiritual and John was clearly influenced. John, in particular, reviled the role of Christianity and all organized religion. He would have much to say about being designated as "spiritual." Yes, he named the foundation the "Spirit Foundation," but it was only capitalized with the NY state minimum capital. I could not believe my eyes when he sang "Imagine no possessions." The NY fans took to the airways and told him what we thought. To John's credit, he did change the lyrics to "Imagine no possessions, I wonder if we can." John never changed the lyrics to "Imagine there is no heaven. I have a sophisticated view of spirituality and organized religion." Yoko turned down offers to have John buried at St. John the Divine. John was spiritual in a very sophisticated way. He was NOT religious. Paul is not religious. George was religious. I expect John and George had some interesting conversations about Hare Krishna and the Maharishi. Dear Prudence,....won't you come out and play. ...Sexy Sadie.....John was an atheist. Would he remain so if he lived? Paul is. You can understand spiritual traditions and reference them in your life without being religious or spiritual. John admitted he was not great at meditation. George meditated for countless hours. Paul and John worked up to quite long sessions, but they were never in George's league. Paul now mediates using TM for about ten minutes before important events. It upsets me greatly when people change lyrics or assert that John was religious. John would be furious. He would be particularly furious at someone claiming to know his views who clearly does not. When he referenced car, he meant car. He knew there was no heaven. I believe in a type of heaven. John did not. I suspect John believed that death was the end of existence. He never agreed with George about Hinduism. George was a clear influence. Even when John was furious at George, he acknowledged his influence. They loved many parts of Hinduism that George exposed them to, but neither John or Paul embraced religion. Any good writer knows the dominant religion of his culture. When he wrote, "Christ, it ain't easy, you know hard it can be. They are going to crucify me." He did not mean that he was a believer in Jesus or any religion. John meant that just as Jesus' words and actions were misconstrued and used by the Church falsely, John 's words and actions were misconstrued and misunderstood. Ringo was also not religious, but in recent years he seems to be more open than before to religion. Ringo is very mellow. Always was. He taught them mellowness and showmanship. There are many excellent John Lennon biographies. I can name a few for people to read. We do not need revisionism from Yoko Ono or fans. Yoko listed Sean as John's first son. Sorry, Yoko. Millions, utter millions know Julian was his first son. Julian sounds much more like John. Wikipedia reports that Julian was he first son. What can you do about websites that Yoko owns? Paul, George, Ringo all state that Julian was and shall always remain John's first son. John acknowledged it, when pressed. Only when pressed. He was not perfect. 75Janice ( talk) 16:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)75Janice
His given name at birth was “John Winston Lennon”; he changed it in 1969 to “John Ono Lennon” - the article says as much. But the article itself lists his name as “John Winston Ono Lennon”. I have seen this listed elsewhere on the net as being because supposedly you can’t “revoke” all your names under British Law, but think that that is just plain wrong. Changing your name by deed poll is perfectly legitimate, and needn’t contain any name you were born with, so was “John Winston Ono Lennon” the actual name he changed to, or is it a needless conflation of the two? It should surely be one or the other, but not a compendium of both. Jock123 ( talk) 11:11, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
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I believe it would make sense to change John Lennon's infobox to the musical artist infobox. Every other Beatle's infobox is the musical artist one, with a gold background. I think it'll look better and would make more sense. The StormCatcher (talk) (contribs) 22:40, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
What are the respective pages of the two quotations in reference 83?-- Beat 768 ( talk) 02:32, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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Page is vandalized with an overlay redirect link blocking any clicks. 76.91.149.87 ( talk) 23:12, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree, the page is vandalized, all clicks are forewarded to rasp.is, which is some "pay for clicks" page. At least, this happens when viewing it with Firefox! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.180.24.6 ( talk) 12:25, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
MBE must be removed from John Lennon's name as he rejected the honour and it's inclusion is anti-thetical to how he represented himself as he returned the medal as an act of protest:
Quoted from the http://www.beatlesbible.com/1969/11/25/john-lennon-returns-his-mbe-to-the-queen/
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Why is there so little mention of Lennon's racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial? ( 86.183.30.40 ( talk) 15:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC))
I just think there should be a mention to his views and abuses of women, not just anecdotes from his first wife. i mean he said in an interview with play boy that he beats the hell out of women. (i think thats note worthy)
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"It is a diary form of writing. All that 'I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved' was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically... any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything's the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am a violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster." <close quote> The way you say things make it seem like he beat women until the day he died, when in reality, he started doing it in his teenage years, when his mother died (or it could have been a little bit before her death), and stopped at around 1967. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:1200:F22C:F47D:9CAA:703F:EEFD ( talk) 19:09, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
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Suggest adding to reading list at bottom: Lennon on Lennon: Conversations with John Lennon, ed. by Jeff Burger. Published 2016 by Chicago Review Press. ISBN #978-1613748244 JeffAB0422 ( talk) 11:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
I seem to recall that there was another name before "The Quarry Men". The WP entry for Quarry Men mentions "The Blackjacks", but that they never played under that name. Should it be added here? -- Daveler16 ( talk) 15:46, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Intro says Beatles were inducted into RR HOF in 1998,wasn't that 1988? 107.77.203.101 ( talk) 22:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Tim
THE BEATLES Courtesy of the Rock Hall Library and Archive 1988 Category: Performers Members: Paul McCartney Ringo Starr John Lennon George Harrison Such a blatant error in the first paragraph? Will someone PLEASE fix? 70.91.35.27 ( talk) 17:13, 25 January 2017 (UTC)T
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Biography: Paragraph 3. Tiny point but ' I would infiltrate the other boys minds.'
There should be an apostrophe after the 's' in 'boys'
I would infiltrate the other boys' minds.-- 92.207.218.180 ( talk) 11:06, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Done NEDOCHAN ( talk) 13:09, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I've just read something in a music magazine that may be notable for the article, particularly in the section regarding John's relationship with his former bandmates. According to Philip Norman, Yoko has told him that partly due to casual remarks made by John, she's always suspected that the actual reason for The Beatles's break-up and long bickering between John and Paul throughout the 70s was that at one time during the late 60s, John had made a sexual advance directed at Paul, who turned out too adamantly straight to say yes. Yoko told Norman that she always felt that John was acting like a rejected lover towards Paul during the 70s and that Paul was just too discrete to ever let word get out of what she thought had happened in private. I suppose the definite source would be Norman's 2008 book John Lennon: The Life, but it'd be great if somebody could find the actual source where Norman relates this. I guess what sets this apart from Albert Goldman's 1988 conjectural smear is that it comes from Yoko's mouth herself. -- 79.242.203.134 ( talk) 03:53, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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In the section "1970–1972: Initial solo success and activism", there is a typo due to a misplaced quotation mark. Please change:
Lennon and Ono moved to Manhattan in August 1971, and released "Happy Xmas (War Is Over) in December".[107]
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Lennon and Ono moved to Manhattan in August 1971, and released "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" in December.[107] Brockway ( talk) 18:18, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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That John sang "Baby, you're a rich fag Jew" during the recording of " Baby, You're a Rich Man" is a rumor. [1] It's not true! Why did it got deleted? Wikipedia is an internet encyclopedia with facts, not not fake fictional rumors! "Baby, you're a rich fag Jew" is a rumor. This is from the site: "According to popular myth, John definitely sings "Baby you're a rich fat Jew". According to the other popular myth, John definitely sings "Baby you're a rich fag Jew". According to another less popular myth, Paul is the culprit. These statements are supposedly directed at Brian Epstein. While I can well believe that this is not beyond John's sometimes cruel and scathing sense of humour, it is not the case on this recording. It is not "very clear that he is saying it", nor is it true "because I read it in a book about the Beatles". The words are simply "Baby You're A Rich Man Too". It sounds more like "A Reech Ma Too" simply because of lack of diction. This is another case of reading too much into a lyric." That's the truth. That Wikipedia has the fake facts make me mad. Please correct this. Thank you. -- NRKfan ( talk) 01:43, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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Another editor insists on adding to the lead and infobox that Lennon was an actor. Yes, he had many roles: we could also add that he was an author, artist and poet. Nevertheless, all of these roles (including actor) pale against his roles as singer and songwriter. Thoughts? WWGB ( talk) 03:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
When rewording the text to avoid the implication that "Give Peace a Chance" was released after the Beatles' break-up, and the statement that Lennon only recorded as a solo artist after that event, I've ended up adding mention of " Instant Karma!" and " Happy Xmas (War Is Over)". I'd say they're far better known than "Working Class Hero", but a message does say to raise the issue here. I've not done this before making the change, I admit, because the change came about for the reason explained. JG66 ( talk) 02:29, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi there,
I recently edited the page to have Elton John listed under Lennon's associated acts (Lennon is included on Elton's page - not my edit), but it has been removed with the citation that it was a 'one-time association'. Due to collaborations on each other's projects: Elton appearing on John's Mind Games album, most famously collaborating on Whatever Gets You Thru the Night and John appearing on Elton's recordings (under the occasional pseudonym of 'Dr Winston O'Boogie'), and their performing live together - which led to John's reconciliation with Yoko (as well as, away from music, Elton becoming Sean Lennon's godfather), I'd hardly suggest it was a "one-time" association. Any thoughts?
Aefevans ( talk) 16:34, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
A lot of these references are for this book "The John Lennon Encyclopedia," an unauthorized biography with 2 Amazon reviews. How can this be considered a reliable source? For example, it says John terrorized Cynthia with physical violence, but Cynthia herself said in her book "John" that he hit her one and only one time when they were teenagers.
Watda89 ( talk) 09:33, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
This article states he was pronounced dead at 11:00 PM, but the article about his death states 11:15 PM. Which is correct? RyanDanielst ( talk) 01:43, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't see why this should be included under "Political activism". The sources we have dispute the assertion that Lennon was conservative. It is also not notable from an encyclopedic point of view. He didn't go public with his supposed views; he took no particular actions to support them. The assertion that a musician made a political comment in the heat of the moment — possibly under the influence of alcohol etc — just isn't very notable. It would be notable if it led to a public manifestation, but it didn't.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm a big fan of John Lennon and have read several biographies about him over the years but I was shocked to see him placed in categories like Category:British feminists. He had a history of treating women horribly despite all of his talent. Can we remove these three categories which hardly apply to Lennon? I mean, it might be nice for his fans to think of him as a precursor of feminism but he wasn't and I doubt he would describe himself as a feminist unless it was towards the end of his life. Liz Read! Talk! 03:40, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Bad idea force me write such things (several arguments are directed vs John). Because John is my idol also.
Lennon is not the British Queen or Albert Einstein (example). He's just the music industry, entertainment (like and Beatles). At a very high level, I don't argue. His musical influence is also a simple music industry (other bands: Oasis and so on ....). Actions for Peace some people consider ordinary PR. Lover of different drugs. But he never hide this.
Without Vasin The Beatles can not become strongly known in the huge state (USSR). He is a creator of them fame there. John must say very great thanks to him. Without Vasin and people like him The Beatles can not crush the communism on the huge part of the Earth (changing of political rejimes has a huge meaning). Compare this with some other tributes (those tributes look like zero, when compare).
Vasin is known around the world. Great man by the words of sir Paul Mccartney. Vasin lost his life because of this tribute, by the way, stop humiliate him. He is another victim of The Beatles (Sharon Tate in this row). Article does not know such sad fact.
Etc.
I suggest place the tribute of Kolya into the article. - Yellow Man 1000 ( talk) 18:37, 23 December 2018 (UTC).
It is abundantly obvious that the consensus is correct. This article should clearly not include a section on this tribute. NEDOCHAN ( talk) 01:29, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
As most readers will certainly know, the Internet is full of casual references to John Lennon being a domestic abuser, with some comments going so far as to say he belongs on the long list of "#MeToo" villains. Lennon helped create this perception with his now notorious (but somewhat vague) admission to Playboy magazine in 1980 that "I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically… any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn’t express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women…". And apparently a former housekeeper of the Lennons claims to have witness one or more episodes of abuse.
To state the obvious, even one act of domestic violence is something to be treated seriously. But was Lennon a serial abuser, or a "monster" as many articles or blog posts online claim? If the evidence from Cynthia Lennon and others backs up this conclusion, it seems reasonable to include that information in this article or others. There's also the possibility that Lennon was painting his own past transgressions with an overly broad brush, making his younger self sound more awful, as a way of 'proving' how much wisdom and serenity he had attained by 1980. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.23.19 ( talk) 20:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Original poster, answering question above: I haven't read Cynthia biography, or her interviews, or any other accounts, so I really don't know what information is out there. I just noticed a lack of nuance in online discussions of Lennon's behavior. But if there simply isn't much 1st hand testimony from Cynthia or others, than I guess a more nuanced treatment isn't possible within the context of Wikipedia, and the Internet will do what the internet will do otherwise. Thanks for your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.23.19 ( talk) 21:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm wondering why a low-resolution image that shows Lennon's side profile and not his entire face is being used as the image on this page's infobox, when more recent, better quality and larger images are available. -- Mr Serious Guy ( talk) 16:35, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm really surprised about the lack of coverage – the complete omission in most cases – of many of Lennon's best-known songs from the Beatles era. I appreciate that his biographical article has a lot to cover and many key points are going to be underplayed, by necessity. But the omission of any mention of his songwriting during the Rubber Soul and Revolver period (and of any mention of those albums at all) needs to be addressed, in my opinion. I've already added some text about two major "message" songs from 1967–68, "All You Need Is Love" and "Revolution", but I'd say more is needed in this direction. For instance, when discussing the Please Please Me album, the mention that Lennon "had yet to bring his love of wordplay to bear on his song lyrics" and that lyrics were "irrelevant" to him seems to invite further comment: that a) Lennon began to consistently produce more thoughtful and personal lyrics from Beatles for Sale onwards, after meeting Dylan; and b) he made a point of introducing the wit and wordplay of his books in his lyrics for Rubber Soul, after being challenged on the subject by Kenneth Allsop. I mean, to read in the sentence discussing Sgt. Pepper that the album "revealed lyrics by Lennon that contrasted strongly with the simple love songs of the group's early years" seems shockingly bland and inadequate(!). More than that, though, it's the sort of general description that most sources apply to Rubber Soul, if not before, with his lyrics on Revolver and the musical arrangements given to the songs representing a complete breakthrough in pop songwriting.
In 1968, his activities with Ono led to the British establishment turning on the Beatles by charging him with drug possession (a bust that, as with Harrison's a few months later, was widely viewed as a stitch-up by the infamous Norman Pilcher). I think this lack of tolerance from the authorities, and the similar turn in public opinion against the Beatles, for so long Britain's national treasures, and particularly Lennon, should be mentioned in the article also.
While there is some discussion of Lennon's December 1970 Rolling Stone interview, in the last paragraph under "1966–1970: Studio years, break-up and solo work", I think a brief mention in the next section, following details on the Plastic Ono Band album, would be in order. As detailed in Lennon Remembers, the interview was a major event in early-1970s Beatles history and its influence on Lennon's standing, and the way the public and the media viewed the band's break-up, was immense.
Under 1973–1975, if not at the end of the previous subsection, I think it needs stating that Lennon was crushed by the critical and commercial failure of Some Time in New York City and barely wrote a song for many months. Ono, on the other hand, remained highly prolific, and Lennon continued to produce her Apple recordings (something we don't mention at all in the article) but was basically relegated to a supporting role in their artistic partnership. Not that it needs discussing in the article, but this was a factor in the couple separating, and Ono telling him to go "find himself" in LA.
Under Political activism, it would be more accurate to mention that Lennon washed his hands of radical politics and any sort of activism in late 1972. We currently give the impression that he was especially active in 1969–72 (which is true, he was) but not that he then wholeheartedly turned his back on such activities; he ridiculed activism and political demonstrations in a 1975 interview, for instance. This sort of off/on, pro/anti contradiction in Lennon – and, as mentioned, it's the story of his career from about 1967 onwards (in turns, pro Summer of Love, Maharishi, pacifism, Janov, Mao, only to drop and replace each philosophical belief within a year) – can be covered in the previous, chronological sections to some extent, and I've made a few additions already with that in mind. But I haven't been able to shake off the feeling that, with such emphasis drawn specifically to his role as a political activist (ie, with a dedicated section), we're underplaying the facets of his personality and career for which he was equally famous, and undoubtedly more popular and critically lauded. I'm referring to him as "the dreamer" (a description I often read) – the psychedelic Lennon who managed to capture a generation's imagination by avoiding dogma and any sort of activism. Pre Ono, in other words, not that I've got any bias against her whatsoever (in case it needs saying). I don't know, I'm probably not expressing myself too well ... This issue could well be a carry-over from the lack of attention given to the Rubber Soul/Revolver period (songs like "Norwegian Wood", "In My Life", "Nowhere Man", "Rain", "Tomorrow Never Knows", "She Said She Said"); perhaps it will sort itself out once Lennon's work from that period has some sort of presence in the article.
Pinging Laser brain, because I get the impression he watches these Beatle FAs, and I know he's knowledgeable about Featured Article content. LB: I notice Paul McCartney is considerably longer than this one, counting the Notes text also (but not the references, of course); would you agree then that here at John Lennon the article could be expanded somewhat? I'm not talking about a large increase in length at all, and in fact there are a couple of areas where text could be trimmed anyway, which would lessen the increase overall. Thanks, JG66 ( talk) 17:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
We had permission to use the Gruen NYC t-shirt photo, but someone decided the permission wasn't real. Use a Beatle pic, if necessary. He was one of the most photographed people in the world. We can do better than this lol Hotcop2 ( talk) 21:30, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
CarterLennon, regarding your recent change, moving one of the 1964 images into the infobox, I thought you were in favour of using the 1980 image? Regardless, perhaps you and Beatleswillneverdie might like to join this discussion.
Based on what Hotcop2 and BeatlesLedTV have said above, and going from the current version of the article, I propose we use this 1969 image in the infobox: it's ideally proportioned, unlike the over-cropped, head-filled 1964 images and the 1980 one. Just compare with infoboxes at George Harrison, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr and then come back here to John Lennon, or take a look at other music artist articles – Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Elton John, etc. (Personally, I get a "Whoa, weird – so much face!" moment each time I return to this page, especially with that 1980 image [because it's so ghoulish], but also whenever we've had one of the two 1964 cropped shots in the infobox.) We should then move the 1969 J & Y image up from the Yoko Ono section to "1966–1970: Studio years, break-up and solo work", replacing the one that's relocated to the infobox, and include the full 1980 image of the couple down at Yoko Ono, which I believe we had there for a long while anyway.
This regular swapping around of the infobox image is getting somewhat tiresome, and as far as I was aware at the time, for years we had the 1969 Bed-In picture without any problem. More recently, perhaps over the last year or so, there's been a spate of swapping them around based on individual editors' personal opinion. It would be good to establish some sort of consensus on the issue, and I think my proposal makes sense with regard to the article as a whole – eg, J & Y 1969 is a logical image to include in the text discussing Lennon's move away from the Beatles over 1968–69, and J & Y 1980 fits the relationship-focused discussion down at Yoko Ono. That's in addition to the fact that three of us here have said an emphatic "no" to the 1980 image appearing in the infobox. JG66 ( talk) 05:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I agree with CarterLennon. I might end up changing the photo. Beatleswillneverdie ( talk) 09:57, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
The 1969 bed-in photo doesn't fully show Lennon's face like BeatlesLedTV stated. I think the one certainly being used is the best one. Beatleswillneverdie ( talk) 10:43, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Hotcop2, where in that source, Miles 1997 p. 272, does it say that Lennon and Ono in fact met before 9 November 1966 and that Lennon gave Ono the handwritten lyrics to "The Word" in 1965? Ono arrived in London in September 1966. Miles' description is simply referring to McCartney having met Ono a short time before Lennon attended the Indica Gallery show. Ono visited McCartney, along with a few other well-to-do artists in central London no doubt, looking for manuscripts to give to John Cage. Miles says that "not long afterwards" Ono puts the same request to Lennon and receives the lyrics to "The Word". But just because this information appears in the section of text discussing "The Word" and other 1965 songs, you appear to be assuming that this meeting and exchange of song lyrics must have taken place in 1965. In fact, it's simply a case of the author adding the point where it's relevant in McCartney's story (specifically to a song he co-wrote), just as, say, mention of the Manson Family's 1969 killing spree and 1970 trial appears in a section of the book discussing McCartney's songwriting in 1968, specifically songs such as "Helter Skelter" and "Blackbird" that were said to have inspired the killings.
The line that appears at the start of the "Yoko Ono" section here – "Two versions exist of how Lennon met Yoko Ono." – is unsupported editorialisation. The subsequent comment that "The second version, told by McCartney, is that in late 1965, Ono was in London compiling original musical scores for a book John Cage was working on ..." is rubbish, as far as the date goes. And it's original research to say that the point about Ono's manuscript-hunting in any way contradicts the widely accepted story of the couple's first meeting. JG66 ( talk) 17:01, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Hotcop2: This same point was queried at Yoko Ono in October 2010 ( Talk:Yoko Ono/Archive 1#Deletion from section outlining relationship with Paul McCartney) and it has appeared in that article since or before then, I imagine. You defended it as fact there too. I completely agree with Dsnmi's point there that the statement's "misleading and factually inaccurate" but not with the idea that Miles dates McCartney and Ono's meeting to 1965 – he does not.
In page 272 of the book, there's McCartney's recollection of he and Lennon, in 1965, writing out a multicoloured lyric sheet for "The Word". The author's voice then takes over:
So where in all of that does it say that this occurred in 1965? And where does it claim to present a different scenario to the widely accepted version of when and how Lennon first met Ono? JG66 ( talk) 17:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
John Lennon returned his MBE with an attached nastygram to the queen. There are plenty of sources including that the MBE has been recently discovered and Lennon fans want it made public. Wlmg ( talk) 19:18, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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Robert Caryle plays him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:151F:861D:28B7:3E89:9F67:C6B2 ( talk) 02:49, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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I've read that Lennon admitted to having beat his girlfriends and may have charged with domestic abuse. If so, I'm wondering why this isn't in the wiki article.
It is - it's in the section on Cyntha Lennon. Humbledaisy ( talk) 20:05, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Lennon_en_zijn_echtgenote_Yoko_Ono_op_huwelijksreis_in_Amsterdam._John_Lenn,_Bestanddeelnr_922-2314.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Lennon_en_zijn_echtgenote_Yoko_Ono_op_huwelijksreis_in_Amsterdam._John_Lenn,_Bestanddeelnr_922-2305.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_Lennon_en_zijn_echtgenote_Yoko_Ono_op_huwelijksreis_in_Amsterdam._John_Lenn,_Bestanddeelnr_922-2307.jpg
We crop his face and put it as the main picture.
I think the current image is better. It's closer up, and he's looking straight at the camera. Humbledaisy ( talk) 08:51, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
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I had obtained permission from Bob Gruen to use the iconic NYC t-shirt in this article, but some overzealous editors wouldn't permit it. Too bad. That would've been the perfect photo. Hotcop2 ( talk) 18:18, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
The Section 1957-1966 contains a 1964 photo of the band, but Ringo Starr is missing in the photograph. The overwhelming majority of Beatles photos shows the Fab Four, not the Fab Three with a missing link. IMHO, this photograph is inappropriate in the article because Starr is missing. This picture should be either deleted or replaced with a photo of all four band members. Anthony22 ( talk) 19:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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I have found that the information of "Years Active" is not quite right, is think it should be "1957-1980" though he released his last song in 1984.
I would like to edit this article because it seems that I have found some mistakes with the following information, I will fix anything wrong with this article if you allow me to edit the article. Thank You. Musa2006 ( talk) 22:08, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
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change https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/John_Lennon_1969_%28cropped%29.jpg to https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/rs-102102-016_john_yoko_smoke.jpg?w=1260 Nico4ocin ( talk) 06:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
The article says that John visited Julia when he was 11, and showed him Elvis records, but according to the Elvis page, Presley didn't start recording until he was 19, which was 3 years later. Is the article just poorly phrased, and did Lennon visit regularly after the age of 11 for some extended period of time? JohnCena9899 ( talk) 18:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I added a capitalism quote a couple months back. For some reason NEDOCHAN wants it removed despite being on this page for months. He removes it out of the blue. I'm not understanding the logic that this quote, which is sourced and was posted on John Lennon's verified facebook page, cannot be added to his wikipedia page in the political activism section. SuperBikeFan ( talk) 00:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
"Lennon’s time of repose didn’t last long, however. By 1980, he had re-emerged with a new album and plans to become politically active again. The old radical was back and ready to cause trouble. In his final interview on Dec. 8, 1980, Lennon mused, “The whole map’s changed and we’re going into an unknown future, but we’re still all here, and while there’s life there’s hope.” One of Lennon's final acts right before he died was to help workers. John Whitehead has written numerous articles for the Huffington Post as seen here
https://www.huffpost.com/author/johnw-973 This isn't a random conspiracy theorist. He's written for legit sites for years.
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I support keeping the quote in there, because I think it adds to people’s understanding of his political activism. Rainer Shea ( talk) 17:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC) — Rainer Shea ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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I am requesting a change to the photo of John Lennon at the top of his page. The current photo is somewhat unflattering and there are many better photos that could be used. Here are some of my personal suggestions.
1.( https://drive.google.com/file/d/16LVYfSsUCSmMcfKoU6NxYEpJX-iJIjDx/view?usp=drivesdk)
2. ( https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tRFUUEj-iUQBZsIdm_cF9r-FG7utkJtC/view?usp=drivesdk)
3.( https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RhJXd84WgwEaDquOsSC3vmoj0a2sPZtR/view?usp=drivesdk)
4.( https://drive.google.com/file/d/14qpp4DtHF40RGMDKQ-y8ROIZcnSp4dCd/view?usp=drivesdk) 1.159.240.64 ( talk) 02:48, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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this page should be unprotected Celiamangun ( talk) 06:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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Please remove the Assassinated word from his death date, statesmen are assassinated, not pop singers. 2.26.251.158 ( talk) 22:57, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Anticipating that one does not simply add a word to the John Lennon Wikipedia article without argument, I'd like to support my addition of the word "former" with this:
Chapman was smarting. His dislike would only intensify with each passing year. Lennon, he decided, was a hypocrite. The release of “Imagine” in 1971 – a song Chapman considered communist – was perhaps the final straw. “He told us to imagine no possessions,” he would say, “and there he was, with millions of dollars and yachts and farms and country estates, laughing at people like me who had believed the lies and bought the records and built a big part of their lives around his music.” [1]
That said, I get that he is characterized as a fan, he's been described as behaving in fan-like ways, etc., it just seems like he really wasn't. He was more of a deluded maniac with some shreds of previous fandom whirling around psychotically in what used to be his mind. (/ WP:OR). I won't challenge a reversion. Though, p.s., he did go to New York in October 1980 intending the shooting then, but changed his mind. Actions of a fan? ЄlєvєN єvєN||иэvэ иэvэl3 11:28, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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Notice the phrasing is not "fan", but "Beatles fan". He was a fan of the group, not John Lennon. He still enjoys the music to this day. Yes, it makes no sense... That's mental illness for you. ili ( talk) 11:38, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Dear Established Editors of Wikipedia, Please change the front photo to another photo of him. There's A LOT of photos where he looked good in instead of that one of him in 1969! (But if you do change it, please don't use THAT photo of him, I'm sure you know which one I meant - the one everyone used as if it's the only photo of John Lennon on the internet.) Preferably, him in the late 70s or him in the 60s would do just fine. I hope you considered my request as a lot of people I know (including me) who liked John Lennon have been so bothered by that photo. Thank you. Sincerely, your loyal Wikipedia reader.
Schofield420 ( talk) 12:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that it appears the image of John for the infobox has been 'enhanced' using AI upscaling, perhaps an app like Remini. The app processes images using AI to pick out faces and replace parts (eyes, nose, mouth, hair etc) with higher quality counterparts. It's impressive but has a certain smoothed-out, uncanny look to it. I don't wish to sound dramatic but, if such an app has been used, this isn't really a genuine picture of John Lennon anymore. I think it was fine as it was - the grain wasn't so much of a problem that the image needed to be doctored in this way. Humbledaisy ( talk) 20:45, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
It's present on the current image, but I think the 'enhancing' was introduced with the colourised version. You can see the difference comparing the current version with the original image. It's been altered quite a bit - the AI version introduces some inauthentic detail, replacing Lennon's face and hair, and removes other details (John's cheeks, neck and jumper are all smoothed out). Humbledaisy ( talk) 21:50, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Does no one care? Compare the current version of the image with the one before it. The one before is grainier and has some bits of dirt that could be removed with manual retouching, but it's fine for the infobox. The replacement is an AI-generated upscale that is inauthentic and no longer photographic. Humbledaisy ( talk) 00:21, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't have much to add, but I just want to add to the consensus and state that I agree, it appears to have been enhanced by AI and shouldn't be used as that makes it doctored. - ChainSmoker82 ( talk) 17:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Glad you folks agree. I think a reversion to 2 February 2019 version would be best, yes. I have prepared a version of that with those pesky white spots manually removed, but I don't have the permission to add it myself. Humbledaisy ( talk) 21:17, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Can John get a proper profile picture where he is not on Heroin? He has a lot of nice pictures, I don't see why you have to use one where he looks (and feels) like a mess. I think a picture from around 1967 would be more proper here, considering that was a good time for him and he also had an iconic look then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A457:E645:1:992F:D0DF:A49E:3D5C ( talk) 15:20, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
The problem with that is finding a nice image of him that also fits into Wikipedia's image use policy ChainSmoker82 ( talk) 18:04, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
I propose we use this photo on Wikimedia Commons. It's very similar to the current photo, but I think it looks overall better with superior lighting. ChainSmoker82 ( talk) 01:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Should this article point out that John Lennon was placed eighth in the poll of 100 Greatest Britons in 2002? Vorbee ( talk) 10:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
The name of the assassin should not be mentioned in the third paragraph of the article, but only in the murder chapter. In my humble opinion, this kind of highlight is not only a prime example of what not to do regarding murders for notoriety but above all a lack of respect for John Lennon (unintended, of course). Could you modify it, please? Thank you! Nuno Santos (removed email address, which is not allowed on Wikipedia)
I would humbly propose changing the "years active" on this page to 1956-1980. I understand why it is is 1975-1980, but John wasn't artistically inactive during this five year period--he was writing songs and made some artistic contributions during this period. Also, this page deals with John's efforts as a writer, and a manuscript of his written during this period was published posthumously. So yes, I understand the historic reasons for the way this part of the page is how it is, and I also think a case could be made for ignoring the retirement period in this section of the page. I'll leave this for others to decide whether to change this or not.
I recently tweaked the infobox cause of death from "Gunshot wound" to "Murder by gunshot", with a wikilink pointing to Murder of John Lennon. As everyone knows, there are different levels of causation; I find gunshot wound to be a direct, low level cause, while murder is a higher level cause. My reason for the change is that "Murder by gunshot" captures both these levels of causation in a concise manner, while "gunshot wound" does not. I also think that a wikilink to the article about the circumstances of the specific death of John Lennon should be more helpful than an article about gunshot wounds in general. Unfortunately both these changes were reverted in one sweep.
There has been a discussion about clarifying the death cause parameter, but without any consensus other than a case by case judgement of relevance. In this case, "Murder by gunshot" would not only give concise, enlightening information, but also make sense when compared to e.g. "Suicide by gunshot" ( Kurt Cobain) and "Assassination by gunshot" ( Olof Palme). -- St.nerol ( talk) 08:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
The original page did not cite the killer's name. I added the name thinking that this fact was not contentious but it was removed as it "wasn't a good idea". I'm not sure what that meant and as the killer is named elsewhere in Wikipedia can't see what the purpose of hiding the name is. Gusdeadman ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
John Lennon was only shot once in the back please change the cause of death section to “gunshot wound” instead of “gunshot wounds”. Editor man12115 ( talk) 04:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
Is there a reason the harmonica is not listed under "instruments" in the infobox? GravityIsForSuckers ( talk) 19:50, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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Please change the time of Lennon's DOA to 11:15 p.m. (EST) so the correct time is shown. https://www.biography.com/news/john-lennon-death-timeline 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 03:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
There is an RfC here regarding the use of post-nominals for people who have returned their medals. Sdrqaz ( talk) 13:46, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
I saw that Julia was categorized under people with bipolar disorder, even when she was never diagnosed (I assume). I wonder if we can put John in this category as well? Considering what we know about him, I think it's fairly obvious he was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A457:E645:1:88BE:F396:5273:B150 ( talk) 20:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Are there any actual reputable sources for either Julia or John being bipolar? Humbledaisy ( talk) 21:37, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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I'd like to open a dicussion about a new photo for John Lennon. The photo as of now, is a rather low quality, 1969 photograph. It should be a photo from 1980 - the last year of his life. The man didn't die in 1969, afterall. Gyijfvbjfg ( talk) 05:14, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
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Given recent history with it being briefly changed or altered it and being reverted because of consensus, I think this really is the best picture we have for now. As for having a 1980 image over a 1969 image, I think images of deceased people at their most notable and recognisable stage are usually favoured. The infobox for Marlon Brando, for example, shows him in the 1955. Humbledaisy ( talk) 18:05, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
I propose to merge Alfred Lennon into John Lennon. I think that the content in the Alfred Lennon article can easily be explained in the context of the John Lennon article. It is likely that Alfred Lennon does not meet WP:BIO and any information that is not already duplicated can be incorporated into the John Lennon article without any problems as far as the John Lennon article size is concerned. Consensus on merger and redirection would be preferable to nominating Alfred Lennon for deletion. JeanPassepartout ( talk) 03:49, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Alfred Lennon is a notable figure worthy of his own article. His article has too much detail to be merged into John's. Proposing to merge Alfred Lennon's article into John Lennon's is like proposing to merge Lee Harvey Oswald into JFK. TuckerTVG ( talk) 04:55, 16 November 2020 (CST)
The article states (citing Coleman) that, "Although he used the name John Ono Lennon thereafter, official documents referred to him as John Winston Ono Lennon, since he was not permitted to revoke a name given at birth." A note earlier in the article says, "Technically, Lennon was unable to lose the Winston from his name, as UK law dictates that a person is unable to fully revoke a name given at birth."
The problem is there is no such UK law. I'm not disputing Coleman may say this, but it's complete nonsense. The UK Government's official page on changing your name says, "You can change any part of your name, add or remove names and hyphens, or change spelling." I can't find anything outside of Beatles-dom that makes this claim. Can we just change this to: "Although he used the name John Ono Lennon thereafter, some official documents referred to him as John Winston Ono Lennon."? Bondegezou ( talk) 17:10, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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In Early Childhood, it lists John's parents deciding he'd stay with "Julia", his mother, rather than "Mimi", his aunt who he actually spent adolescence with. 108.168.97.92 ( talk) 15:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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Under associated acts in the info box, David Bowie and Elton John could be added. Both artists have worked on songs with John Lennon. Iacoblanzer ( talk) 23:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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Adding Harry Nilsson as an associated act, seeing as he made an album with him (Pussy Cats) and worked with him a lot on the mid 70s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Cats Agent101232 ( talk) 17:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The article should mention Lennon's family were outraged when he admitted funding the Provisional IRA at the height of its terrorist bombing campaign: https://www.independent.ie/world-news/john-lennons-family-hit-the-roof-when-funds-were-donated-to-ira-26125005.html ( Gdfifer ( talk) 17:10, 22 July 2021 (UTC))
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Suggested change “his songwriting partnership with Paul McCartney remains the most successful in history” —> one of the most successful (This is an opinion and should not be stated as a fact. The source cited is a listicle) 107.77.234.198 ( talk) 13:21, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
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template. The source, which is Billboard, states By any measure, no one comes close to matching the success of The Beatles' primary songwriters. The dichotomy between Paul McCartney's optimism and John Lennon's realism always pushed each songwriter to best the other, resulting in an unprecedented collaboration that yielded 180 songs, the most albums sold by any artist and a still-unbroken record of 20 number ones on the Billboard Hot 100.ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 15:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
According to a comment on this page on Beatles Bible - https://www.beatlesbible.com/1969/04/22/john-lennon-changes-his-middle-name-to-ono/ - there is actually no UK law that requires citizens to keep birth names. Elton John legally changed his name from Reginald Kenneth Dwight to Elton Hercules John in 1972. John was actually not the bassist on the final take of " Helter Skelter", but in reality, according to https://www.reddit.com/r/beatles/comments/83ghlg/what_bass_is_being_played_in_helter_skelter/, it was actually Paul McCartney playing his left-handed Fender Jazz Bass. 27.32.188.134 ( talk) 05:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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This was recently added to the lead: "Songs written and performed primarily by Lennon for the group include 'Help!', 'Nowhere Man', 'In My Life', 'Strawberry Fields Forever' and 'I Am the Walrus'." Considering Lennon's vast songwriting catalog, selection of a few songs is very subjective, especially for the WP:LEAD. What makes these songs more notable for the lead compared to (for example): Please Please Me, If I Fell, A Hard Day's Night, I'm A Loser, You've Got to Hide Your Love Away, It's Only Love, Norwegian Wood, Girl, And Your Bird Can Sing, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, A Day in the Life, All You Need Is Love, Revolution, Rain? Other editors may have a different list that they prefer. The simplest solution is to delete that sentence, although a reliable source naming specific songs as most outstanding (or consensus) could help; but consensus could be an endless debate, and there could be numerous sources that disagree. Sundayclose ( talk) 16:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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Line in opening about McCartney and Lennon having the most successful songwriting partnership in history is linked to a piece that simply makes this claim with no support. I agree with it, but it is an opinion against neutral point of view policy. 24.90.249.6 ( talk) 06:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
As sources at the moment this is an entirely subjective statement. The source in the lede is little more than an opinion piece. It is not adequate for WP:LEADCITE Unbh ( talk) 03:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC) It's also clear from the above that this is a perrenial issue. A better source that a listicle should be found to support this statement regardless of whether Billboard is generally RS Unbh ( talk) 03:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Should The Dirty Mac be part of the associated acts? Or not because it was just a one-time event? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A457:E645:1:F142:7F62:44AB:1A5 ( talk) 15:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think so — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C46:4500:618:D835:F2CE:9DA6:FF49 ( talk) 06:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I think it’s too minor as a one-time thing, it’s just a very famous one. We wouldn’t have, for instance, the Smokin’ Mojo Filters (a similar rock supergroup who achieved a UK top 20 single) for McCartney. Humbledaisy ( talk)
Menlove Ave was another post-humous release of John Lennon's recordings in 1986. There is even a Wikipedia page for it. /info/en/?search=Menlove_Ave. 139.85.223.11 ( talk) 16:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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Julian is older than Sean and should be listed first 73.246.51.207 ( talk) 15:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
I noticed that User:ILIL reverted my change of the lead image. In my opinion, the image I proposed is a much more flattering image, and it's higher resolution. I also believe the original image is a little bit distorted (I could be wrong about that; he could just be at a strange angle). The contrast/lighting in the original image is also poor. My proposed image also has Lennon facing towards the text, as per MOS:PORTRAIT, while the original image has him facing slightly away from the text. The images were taken within a week of each other (March 1969), so the optimal time period for a lead image isn't an issue when comparing these two images. I'd like to hear your thoughts, ILIL, as well as the opinions of anyone else. ~ BappleBusiness [talk] 23:09, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
I prefer the current one that was reverted by User:ILIL. The other image may be higher quality, but the lighting isn't really on Lennon's face - the image is low-contrast but Lennon is still a little in the shadows. The other is more high-contrast but he's looking at the camera and doesn't look like he's mid-sentence. I imagine sometime in the not-too-distant future, we will find a better candidate but I think that's the best we have for now. Humbledaisy ( talk) 13:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
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Born: October 9, 1940 Assassinated: December 8, 1980 2600:8807:2D09:900:D7E3:EAC1:8C1E:2BA7 ( talk) 19:28, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
I can't find a definitive source that his ashes were scattered in Central Park. I only found a sources that said his ashes are presumed to have been scattered there. 74.196.122.198 ( talk) 12:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
This article has scatterings of synthesis and OR. I've recently removed a line saying that people are still mourning, which was uncited. The next piece of prose was about memorials. Every dead person is still mourned, this is just fan cruft. It needs to be removed Very Average Editor ( talk) 19:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Not sure why my edit has been reverted but should we avoid the simultaneous use of "singer" and "musician" in the lead sentence? Thedarkknightli ( talk) 09:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)