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Meek worked with Bowie while Bowie was in a band called The Buzz somewhat around 1965.-- 212.80.224.243 19:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
The Buzz, that recorded one single with Meek, was a scottish band, and has no relation to the Bowie-Buzz. It is known that Bowie visited Meek, but with no specific solutions.
I think Joe Meek's violent methods of work should be touched upon moreso. He was known to threaten and physically assault performers often.
He was also made to wear dresses for 4 years of his life, which could help explain his later mental issues. Just a thought. -- JOK3R 14:43, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I think this page needs a Discography section. Could someone help? There is a lot of info at http://members.aol.com/TPavick/discographies.html 65.10.162.46 02:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes would be fine, here is another source http://joemeekpage.googlepages.com/recordings.htm
This article claims that Dave Stewart and Barbara Gaskin's "Lucky Star", a tribute to Joe Meek, is controversial. No reference/source is given concerning this controversy and I couldn't find one on the web. Looks like the controversy is unsubstantiated to me.
"It is postulated by some that Meek may have been murdered by record company interests. Indeed, Phil Spector's recent murder trial, and the depraved ruthlessness suggested by the details of the murder in question, gives hints that Spector's "Wall Of Sound" may have been acquired from Meek after all[citation needed]."
Burt may have said that Meek didn't take it from him, but he did! It is well documented that Meek wouldn't shoot the birds in his father's apple orchard, prefering to scare them away with loud music by rigging old speakers in the trees. When Burt told him he shot birds, he went ape!
The confiscation of the gun was witnessed by Chas Hodges, Mike Berry and Meek's secretary Patrick Pink. Burt said lots of stuff after Joe's death, including that he played lead guitar on Just Like Eddie-he didn't, depending on which source one believes, it was Richie Blackmore or Pagey, nor did he Leave his shotgun with Joe, Joe took it from him. Cheers, Lion King 18:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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Is there any proof that The Manish Boys ever recorded with Joe Meek? I've never come across this. Wonder if it is more confusion arising from the Buzz issue. Chertseygirl ( talk) 04:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
The Kon-Rads, which featured David Bowie on saxophone and possibly vocals, recorded some demos with Meek. They were discovered later as part of the so-called "Teachest Tapes". 67.193.142.207 ( talk) 12:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Why's he not eligible for a blue plaque? I can't work it out from the blue plaque article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.81.142.249 ( talk) 15:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I have deleted this again for the same reason I did the first time, i.e. it is nothing more than commercial spam. Wikipedia is not advertising forum for photographers or photo agencies. Nick Cooper ( talk) 13:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
If it were not for my entry and the link to my site, the Film Telstar could not have been made because the producers did not know what Joe Meek's office, studio and flat looked like. They used my photographs - with my permission - as a basis for building their sets at Twickenham Studios. Similarly, Howard Berger and Susan Stahman used my photographs of Joe Meek to illustrate their movie "A Life in the Death of Joe Meek" and the BBC used my images of Joe Meek for their Arena production. John Repsch used my image of Joe Meek for the front cover of the first edition of 'The Legendary Joe Meek'
My entry is NOT commercial spam - it is a factual link to most of the only photographs that exist of Joe Meek. Clive Bubley pixelpusher721 ( talk) 08:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I've removed most of them. In addition to the link discussed above coming back, there were a bunch of dueling Myspace pages and fansites that failed WP:EL. Please only add links that enhance the article, not advertisements for social networking. — Gavia immer ( talk) 21:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Neither of the sources [3] [4] gives the actual price fetched by the tapes at auction in 2008, although they were estimated at up to £300,000.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough to have a section called "downward spiral" but is it really fair to start this with a dicussion of Meek's interest in "the occult"? The presumption is that this is part of a downward spiral and not a genuine interest. This should be restructured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.129.195 ( talk) 23:48, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Or at least that's what he claimed. He says that they never approached him and that he was really upset about that as he would hve loved to record with them. Now there are many online sources that claim this. Trouble is I don't know how to source things on Wikipedia. Its driving me fucking mental. Why has it got to be so much more complicated for idiots like me on this website than others LOL? Anyway here is the name of one source if you want to google it "Joe Meek and Mersey Beat - Mersey Beat" google that someone who can source things and include it. I feel this should be included. I don't know if Meek did or did not turn down the Beatles my guess is he was probably just saying he never turned them down for obvious reasons, but either way its interesting to see that he never actually admitted to it and evidently came to admire their talents at a later point if he did turn them down, and there is also the possibility he is telling the truth too and never did either since its only third parties years later who claim that he did. -- Zolfianyarvelling ( talk) 15:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh okay I hear but the thing is the source is actually from a magazine interview, its not as though the guy made it up. If anything I would say that this is a more reliable source as like I said this is from Meek himself. I am not going to edit it and put it in again but I still say it should be included as it is quite important as it offers a different side to the famous Meek, Beatles controversy and offers some quite interesting insights into Meek's musical tastes and judgements. I will try and find a more reliable source the interview is mentioned in. Also how did you include that source. I try and copy its adress on google search, but it never takes that and then when I edit out the google bit it just goes blank. -- Zolfianyarvelling ( talk) 20:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
'Meek's homosexuality – illegal in the UK at the time': homosexuality has never been illegal in Britain. Certain acts were illegal. 86.185.216.32 ( talk) 15:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I cant find kings tribute song - was he ever recorded by meek? 41.250.174.155 ( talk) 12:12, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
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Does noone have a copy of the Legendary Joe Meek by John Repsch?
I feel a load of the unsourced stuff here is probably from the book, and much more could be added. It now costs a fortune to buy in paperback and my copy has long since gone for a burton!
John, are you out there reading this? Oh well. Just a plea for it.
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Re this edit: The previous version had two black plaques and a photo of Meek's grave, which seemed to be overdoing it and was also leading to MOS:SANDWICH of the text. The two black plaques are virtually identical so it is repetitive to have them both. I'm 50-50 on whether the photo of the grave is needed. The plaque at 304 Holloway Road is probably the most significant. It is not a blue plaque owned by English Heritage because of the controversy over Meek killing his landlady at the address.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:59, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Should Meek be categorised as a musician? I would say that he should be, even if he did not play any any conventional musical instruments. "According to the United States Employment Service, "musician" is a general term used to designate one who follows music as a profession. Musicians include songwriters who compose music as well as write lyrics for songs, conductors who direct a musical performance, or performers who perform for an audience...". And, he was "one of the first to develop ideas such as the recording studio as an instrument, and... one of the first producers to be recognized for his individual identity as an artist." So, yes, he was a musician. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I would like to know why the very first sentence in the lede:
...does not indicate that Meek was also a MURDERER. A person has to read down to the very last sentence in the lede, well over 300 WORDS into this page, before they will see the first indication of this. For any notable person who deliberately shoots and kills someone, this info belongs in the very first paragraph, if not in the first sentence.
Imagine if the gun had not been turned onto himself. It would be expected that he would have been tried and convicted of murder. He would then have been sent off to prison. And would be expected to have lived for decades behind bars, and perhaps dying in prison. And then an encyclopedia article about him would be very clear, upfront, that he was a murderer.
The question being posed here is, 'What is the rationale for burying this info at the bottom of the lede just because he killed himself after committing the murder?' I myself see none whatsoever. I recommend that this discrepancy be fixed. Joe Meek was a murderer. A murderer who wrote hit songs. Let's not let the latter overshadow the former. Wikipedia Policy guides us to present balanced information with a NPOV. This lede, in its current form, lacks that balance. -- Concord19 ( talk) 23:56, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
In general, a position, activity, or role should not be included in the lead paragraph if [...] the role is auxiliary to a main profession of the person (e.g. do not add "textbook writer", if the person is an academic)."
Joe Meek was a murderer. A murderer who wrote hit songs. Let's not let the latter overshadow the former.
In addition to the above by ILIL, I don't think we could call Meek a murderer in the absence of a conviction. I know it sounds a cop-out but establishing intentionality is impossible. Humbledaisy ( talk) 18:23, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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Meek worked with Bowie while Bowie was in a band called The Buzz somewhat around 1965.-- 212.80.224.243 19:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
The Buzz, that recorded one single with Meek, was a scottish band, and has no relation to the Bowie-Buzz. It is known that Bowie visited Meek, but with no specific solutions.
I think Joe Meek's violent methods of work should be touched upon moreso. He was known to threaten and physically assault performers often.
He was also made to wear dresses for 4 years of his life, which could help explain his later mental issues. Just a thought. -- JOK3R 14:43, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I think this page needs a Discography section. Could someone help? There is a lot of info at http://members.aol.com/TPavick/discographies.html 65.10.162.46 02:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes would be fine, here is another source http://joemeekpage.googlepages.com/recordings.htm
This article claims that Dave Stewart and Barbara Gaskin's "Lucky Star", a tribute to Joe Meek, is controversial. No reference/source is given concerning this controversy and I couldn't find one on the web. Looks like the controversy is unsubstantiated to me.
"It is postulated by some that Meek may have been murdered by record company interests. Indeed, Phil Spector's recent murder trial, and the depraved ruthlessness suggested by the details of the murder in question, gives hints that Spector's "Wall Of Sound" may have been acquired from Meek after all[citation needed]."
Burt may have said that Meek didn't take it from him, but he did! It is well documented that Meek wouldn't shoot the birds in his father's apple orchard, prefering to scare them away with loud music by rigging old speakers in the trees. When Burt told him he shot birds, he went ape!
The confiscation of the gun was witnessed by Chas Hodges, Mike Berry and Meek's secretary Patrick Pink. Burt said lots of stuff after Joe's death, including that he played lead guitar on Just Like Eddie-he didn't, depending on which source one believes, it was Richie Blackmore or Pagey, nor did he Leave his shotgun with Joe, Joe took it from him. Cheers, Lion King 18:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
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Is there any proof that The Manish Boys ever recorded with Joe Meek? I've never come across this. Wonder if it is more confusion arising from the Buzz issue. Chertseygirl ( talk) 04:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
The Kon-Rads, which featured David Bowie on saxophone and possibly vocals, recorded some demos with Meek. They were discovered later as part of the so-called "Teachest Tapes". 67.193.142.207 ( talk) 12:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Why's he not eligible for a blue plaque? I can't work it out from the blue plaque article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.81.142.249 ( talk) 15:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I have deleted this again for the same reason I did the first time, i.e. it is nothing more than commercial spam. Wikipedia is not advertising forum for photographers or photo agencies. Nick Cooper ( talk) 13:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
If it were not for my entry and the link to my site, the Film Telstar could not have been made because the producers did not know what Joe Meek's office, studio and flat looked like. They used my photographs - with my permission - as a basis for building their sets at Twickenham Studios. Similarly, Howard Berger and Susan Stahman used my photographs of Joe Meek to illustrate their movie "A Life in the Death of Joe Meek" and the BBC used my images of Joe Meek for their Arena production. John Repsch used my image of Joe Meek for the front cover of the first edition of 'The Legendary Joe Meek'
My entry is NOT commercial spam - it is a factual link to most of the only photographs that exist of Joe Meek. Clive Bubley pixelpusher721 ( talk) 08:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I've removed most of them. In addition to the link discussed above coming back, there were a bunch of dueling Myspace pages and fansites that failed WP:EL. Please only add links that enhance the article, not advertisements for social networking. — Gavia immer ( talk) 21:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Neither of the sources [3] [4] gives the actual price fetched by the tapes at auction in 2008, although they were estimated at up to £300,000.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough to have a section called "downward spiral" but is it really fair to start this with a dicussion of Meek's interest in "the occult"? The presumption is that this is part of a downward spiral and not a genuine interest. This should be restructured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.129.195 ( talk) 23:48, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Or at least that's what he claimed. He says that they never approached him and that he was really upset about that as he would hve loved to record with them. Now there are many online sources that claim this. Trouble is I don't know how to source things on Wikipedia. Its driving me fucking mental. Why has it got to be so much more complicated for idiots like me on this website than others LOL? Anyway here is the name of one source if you want to google it "Joe Meek and Mersey Beat - Mersey Beat" google that someone who can source things and include it. I feel this should be included. I don't know if Meek did or did not turn down the Beatles my guess is he was probably just saying he never turned them down for obvious reasons, but either way its interesting to see that he never actually admitted to it and evidently came to admire their talents at a later point if he did turn them down, and there is also the possibility he is telling the truth too and never did either since its only third parties years later who claim that he did. -- Zolfianyarvelling ( talk) 15:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh okay I hear but the thing is the source is actually from a magazine interview, its not as though the guy made it up. If anything I would say that this is a more reliable source as like I said this is from Meek himself. I am not going to edit it and put it in again but I still say it should be included as it is quite important as it offers a different side to the famous Meek, Beatles controversy and offers some quite interesting insights into Meek's musical tastes and judgements. I will try and find a more reliable source the interview is mentioned in. Also how did you include that source. I try and copy its adress on google search, but it never takes that and then when I edit out the google bit it just goes blank. -- Zolfianyarvelling ( talk) 20:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
'Meek's homosexuality – illegal in the UK at the time': homosexuality has never been illegal in Britain. Certain acts were illegal. 86.185.216.32 ( talk) 15:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I cant find kings tribute song - was he ever recorded by meek? 41.250.174.155 ( talk) 12:12, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
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Does noone have a copy of the Legendary Joe Meek by John Repsch?
I feel a load of the unsourced stuff here is probably from the book, and much more could be added. It now costs a fortune to buy in paperback and my copy has long since gone for a burton!
John, are you out there reading this? Oh well. Just a plea for it.
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Re this edit: The previous version had two black plaques and a photo of Meek's grave, which seemed to be overdoing it and was also leading to MOS:SANDWICH of the text. The two black plaques are virtually identical so it is repetitive to have them both. I'm 50-50 on whether the photo of the grave is needed. The plaque at 304 Holloway Road is probably the most significant. It is not a blue plaque owned by English Heritage because of the controversy over Meek killing his landlady at the address.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:59, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Should Meek be categorised as a musician? I would say that he should be, even if he did not play any any conventional musical instruments. "According to the United States Employment Service, "musician" is a general term used to designate one who follows music as a profession. Musicians include songwriters who compose music as well as write lyrics for songs, conductors who direct a musical performance, or performers who perform for an audience...". And, he was "one of the first to develop ideas such as the recording studio as an instrument, and... one of the first producers to be recognized for his individual identity as an artist." So, yes, he was a musician. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 09:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I would like to know why the very first sentence in the lede:
...does not indicate that Meek was also a MURDERER. A person has to read down to the very last sentence in the lede, well over 300 WORDS into this page, before they will see the first indication of this. For any notable person who deliberately shoots and kills someone, this info belongs in the very first paragraph, if not in the first sentence.
Imagine if the gun had not been turned onto himself. It would be expected that he would have been tried and convicted of murder. He would then have been sent off to prison. And would be expected to have lived for decades behind bars, and perhaps dying in prison. And then an encyclopedia article about him would be very clear, upfront, that he was a murderer.
The question being posed here is, 'What is the rationale for burying this info at the bottom of the lede just because he killed himself after committing the murder?' I myself see none whatsoever. I recommend that this discrepancy be fixed. Joe Meek was a murderer. A murderer who wrote hit songs. Let's not let the latter overshadow the former. Wikipedia Policy guides us to present balanced information with a NPOV. This lede, in its current form, lacks that balance. -- Concord19 ( talk) 23:56, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
In general, a position, activity, or role should not be included in the lead paragraph if [...] the role is auxiliary to a main profession of the person (e.g. do not add "textbook writer", if the person is an academic)."
Joe Meek was a murderer. A murderer who wrote hit songs. Let's not let the latter overshadow the former.
In addition to the above by ILIL, I don't think we could call Meek a murderer in the absence of a conviction. I know it sounds a cop-out but establishing intentionality is impossible. Humbledaisy ( talk) 18:23, 30 August 2022 (UTC)