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Should this be called "Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow" or something? There are lots of Jocelins in various spellings. Adam Bishop 17:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I did some minor grammar fixes, but I just have a couple of small things before I can pass it. Can you work on the lead per WP:LEAD, perhaps expanding to 2 paragraphs that summarizes his accomplishments, etc.? Also, I put one fact tag in there as there was a statement that cried out for a source... Otherwise, well-referenced! plange 03:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Good work. Looks close to FA quality. Durova 17:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
"Glasgow Cathedral today. Although most of the building is much later, the modern cathedral shares the same site as Jocelin's late 12th-century structure."
This is the caption under a photograph of the modern Cathedrel, A building can't be "much later". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arthurian Legend ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
I removed the reference to 'Roman Catholic Church' as being an anachronism - but an anon keeps replacing it. Jocelin relates to a time before Christian denominations. He belonged to the Church in the West (possibly defined as the 'Catholic Church' as opposed to the 'Eastern Church' - but even that is dubious). The Church at the time did not call itself 'Roman Catholic' it was simply the Church. Indeed to call the 12th Century Church by the post-Reformation designation 'Roman Catholic Church' is perhaps pov, since it implies that the Western Church relates directly to post-reformation Roman Catholic Church, whereas most modern Christian denominations would recognise it as a common ancestor. Jocelin was part of the Ecclessia Scottia (or whatever the latin is) of his day (which, yes, at the time recognised Rome) however, the modern Church of Scotland, and indeed the Scottish Episcopal Church would both claim to be the institutional descendents.
I don't want to argue the pov out. This is only an info box. But I firmly suggest that we identify Jocelin's affiliation simply as 'Christian' or 'Western Christian'. There's no need to be more specific as there is no other type of Christianity in the West at that time which we need to differentiate him from.-- Docg 08:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move to Jocelin (Bishop of Glasgow). JPG-GR ( talk) 04:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Jocelin → Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow — See the "older entries" section above for previous discussion of a move. "Jocelin" is a common name, today as well as in medieval times. This is hardly the primary usage of the name. I also propose redirecting this current title to Jocelyn, the current dab page. — Srnec ( talk) 04:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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Should this be called "Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow" or something? There are lots of Jocelins in various spellings. Adam Bishop 17:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I did some minor grammar fixes, but I just have a couple of small things before I can pass it. Can you work on the lead per WP:LEAD, perhaps expanding to 2 paragraphs that summarizes his accomplishments, etc.? Also, I put one fact tag in there as there was a statement that cried out for a source... Otherwise, well-referenced! plange 03:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Good work. Looks close to FA quality. Durova 17:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
"Glasgow Cathedral today. Although most of the building is much later, the modern cathedral shares the same site as Jocelin's late 12th-century structure."
This is the caption under a photograph of the modern Cathedrel, A building can't be "much later". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arthurian Legend ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC).
I removed the reference to 'Roman Catholic Church' as being an anachronism - but an anon keeps replacing it. Jocelin relates to a time before Christian denominations. He belonged to the Church in the West (possibly defined as the 'Catholic Church' as opposed to the 'Eastern Church' - but even that is dubious). The Church at the time did not call itself 'Roman Catholic' it was simply the Church. Indeed to call the 12th Century Church by the post-Reformation designation 'Roman Catholic Church' is perhaps pov, since it implies that the Western Church relates directly to post-reformation Roman Catholic Church, whereas most modern Christian denominations would recognise it as a common ancestor. Jocelin was part of the Ecclessia Scottia (or whatever the latin is) of his day (which, yes, at the time recognised Rome) however, the modern Church of Scotland, and indeed the Scottish Episcopal Church would both claim to be the institutional descendents.
I don't want to argue the pov out. This is only an info box. But I firmly suggest that we identify Jocelin's affiliation simply as 'Christian' or 'Western Christian'. There's no need to be more specific as there is no other type of Christianity in the West at that time which we need to differentiate him from.-- Docg 08:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move to Jocelin (Bishop of Glasgow). JPG-GR ( talk) 04:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Jocelin → Jocelin, Bishop of Glasgow — See the "older entries" section above for previous discussion of a move. "Jocelin" is a common name, today as well as in medieval times. This is hardly the primary usage of the name. I also propose redirecting this current title to Jocelyn, the current dab page. — Srnec ( talk) 04:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
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polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.I am reviewing this very old FA as part of WP:URFA/2020, an effort to determine whether old featured articles still meet the featured article criteria. Recent scholarship should be checked for comprehensiveness. This 2006 FA has some uncited text, and its main contributor has been gone for years. Unless someone can tune up the article, it should be submitted to FAR. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:47, 1 November 2023 (UTC)