This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Having just read this article for the first time, and not knowing all the edits that came before, I certainly found it wanting. Shooter seemed to be both one of the most successful and disliked (loathed?) comics executives of the late seventies to mid eighties, but this current version of the article would barely give that impression. I was an avid comics fanboy during those years, and Shooter's name was certainly one of the most controversial, both pro and con! Certainly, there must be a way of including many of his successes and failures while still being NPOV. Throughout his tenure, there was was a flood of material pertaining to him, interviews, articles, editorials and investigative reports all over fandom, so there should be enough material to sift through for bare facts, as well as to give a balanced feel of this period. In reading this article as currently written, at one moment he's at the top of the world leading Marvel, and in the next sentence, he's been fired. Why, by who, under what confirmable, or at least official cirmustance? Who were these financial backers who almost purchased Marvel under Jim Shooter's leadership? Then, in the Valient section, it's claimed that he pulled these financial backers (and major creative types) to start the new comics line under his reign, but in the next sentence, he's forced to draw some issues himself! Investors had enough to compete with Ron Perelman over the buyout of Marvel, were then willing to risk capital under Shooter for a new indie line, but then can't come up with enough money for a stable of comic book or commercial artists? Something is missing. And getting back to Marvel, as the section is too short for the subject, certainly Dazzler shouldn't be taking up as much space as it does. Considering that Jim Shooter was chief editor of, and vied for the ownership of a major company, which was both a big winner and loser on the New York Stock Exchange, and is still a major mover in today's Hollywood, and Shooter played some part in it's commercial growth during the critical period of comics growth in the eighties, he should have a weightier article. My own interests have moved away from comics, so wouldn't have the interest in editing myself, nor have I the patience to review past versions, to see what battles have taken place over the article through the years, but would like to see a better, more in depth entry. 71.125.238.223 ( talk) 16:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
These two sections in particular:
At Valiant Jim produced the best work of his career. He brought many of Marvel's big name creators with him (Bob Layton, Barry Windsor-Smith) and together they changed the face of comics.
The Valiant characters are often called the most important of those created after the Marvel revolution in the 1960s (when Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, among others were created).
Changed the face of comics? How? Who says that? "Often called the most important"? Again: called by who? If it's often, surely there must be sources to back up this claim. (Same goes for the "best work of his career" section. "Best" is subjective. Who says that it's the best work of his career?)
In my opinion, the section reads like a press release, and not an objective, NPOV summary of his career at Valiant. -- g026r 17:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Shooter was made editor-in-chief over more established personnel at Marvel, and, during his tenure, certain long-time key staff defected to DC.
Is there any proof that this was connected to Shooter directly? It's always easy to cite the editor-in-chief rather than the pay in interviews with fans who want to know why you've left.
Shooter was, however, responsible for seriously angering staff and fans alike with his declaration that there were no gay characters in the Marvel Universe (see Northstar).
When did he make this declaration? And was it Shooter's own decision or another case of him being the one everyone blamed for corporate deisions?
Shooter angered and alienated a number of creators by insisting on strong editorial control and strict adherence to deadlines.
Or "...by ensuring the books were produced on time and to a standard, as is the job of an editor in chief"? How exactly is this significant? ( The statement is significant because it implies that some of those 'angered and alienated' creators were, in both their work behavior and their negative reactions to Shooter, being unprofessional and illogical through blaming Shooter for simply doing the job he was paid to do. )
Shooter's opposition to dropping the Comics Code cast Marvel as a conservative force in the industry.
Again was this Shooter himself or a corporate decision?
Timrollpickering 09:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, or in some cases it's clear there is a consensus, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. Better yet, edit the article yourself with the improvements in place. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted. Jjdon ( talk) 00:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Harbinger beginning cover.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 08:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Image:Harbinger 01-00.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 22:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb ( talk) 16:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/08/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-154/ Unomi ( talk) 12:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I feel that the following sentence constitutes original research, and likely invites misunderstanding of the complaints about Shooter's handling of Ms Marvel. However, contrary to these accusations of bias, Shooter also wrote a story wherein the (male) character Thor was similarly sexually coerced by the (female) telepath Moondragon. This sentence seems to imply that the stories are analogous in terms of their controversial subject matter, and therefore people should make allowances for Shooter's Ms Marvel storyline. However, the complaints made about the Ms Marvel storyline are much broader than mind control and rape. The major problem Strickland and Claremont have with the story is that her mind control, rape, pregnancy and decision to go back to live with the man who had done all this to her are treated as an occasion for happiness and celebration. I admit I haven't read the aforementioned Thor story, but I very much doubt it was handled in the same way. Moreover, if he had written a similarly insensitive story where a man was raped, that wouldn't make his handling of the Ms Marvel storyline any better. It would just mean he'd written two bad stories, rather than one.
However, none of the flaws in the comparison would matter if it was an noteworthy viewpoint Wikipedia was documenting. The thing is, it's not. The source cited for the comparison between the two stories is not any sort of article from which the analysis could be drawn, but the Thor comic itself. The source for the comparison seems to be the editor's own analysis, and therefore qualifies as original research under Wikipedia:No original research. In light of this, I am removing the sentence from the article. I just posted this to make other editors who might dispute my change aware of the situation, and the reasons behind my edit. Mediocre ( talk) 02:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
This section consisted of two things: original-research observation about the implications of a comic-book scene, and an article of questionable journalistic standards that read, "It has been reported that although the Code had lightened considerably, Shooter declared a policy that there were 'no gays in the Marvel Universe'." It is incredibly irresponsible of the CBR writer to attribute a remarkably controversial claim of what somebody supposedly said somewhere without checking to see if the person actually said it or if it were just industry rumor.
To use the weasel word "reportedly" as he does to try to evade responsibility for not doing his work and seeing if the quote were rendered accurately or even said at all is disappointing if not actually disgusting to a professional journalist such as myself. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:45, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I understand that User:Zictor23's good-faith edit was based on Shooter interviews, and I applaud his going straight to horse's mouth, as the saying goes. But as written, that paragraph was self-contradictory and needs to be rewritten in a way that makes straightforward sense. The paragraph first said Shooter's father earned very little, but then said $7,000 annually was an average salary for 1966. If that were an average salary, then why would a 13-year-old child need to go to work? Shooter's version of events doesn't always jibe with other people's memories, but leaving that aside, the passage was so unclear, for the reasons noted here, that I couldn't see how to fix it so that it didn't contradict itself. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 23:56, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Jim Shooter. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 17:53, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Jim Shooter. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 16:34, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Jim Shooter. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 22:16, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Anyway, the point is that the credits printed on the splash page do not necessary always represent everyone who worked on a particular story. 172.58.139.202 ( talk) 01:28, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Which is which? I suspect Shooter is on the left, but I'd like to be sure. I haven't found any confirmation on Wikipedia, on Commons, or on the original source at Flickr. JIP | Talk 11:40, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Article says "ocassional fill-in artist". Really? I have never seen this description in any other article about comic-artists. Did he do artwork that got published? Shouldn't it read artist/inker/penciler/whatever then?
It could certainly say "ocassional penciler" or something like that. Ocassional + fill-in sounds pretty pejoratively.
Gott (
talk)
00:28, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Having just read this article for the first time, and not knowing all the edits that came before, I certainly found it wanting. Shooter seemed to be both one of the most successful and disliked (loathed?) comics executives of the late seventies to mid eighties, but this current version of the article would barely give that impression. I was an avid comics fanboy during those years, and Shooter's name was certainly one of the most controversial, both pro and con! Certainly, there must be a way of including many of his successes and failures while still being NPOV. Throughout his tenure, there was was a flood of material pertaining to him, interviews, articles, editorials and investigative reports all over fandom, so there should be enough material to sift through for bare facts, as well as to give a balanced feel of this period. In reading this article as currently written, at one moment he's at the top of the world leading Marvel, and in the next sentence, he's been fired. Why, by who, under what confirmable, or at least official cirmustance? Who were these financial backers who almost purchased Marvel under Jim Shooter's leadership? Then, in the Valient section, it's claimed that he pulled these financial backers (and major creative types) to start the new comics line under his reign, but in the next sentence, he's forced to draw some issues himself! Investors had enough to compete with Ron Perelman over the buyout of Marvel, were then willing to risk capital under Shooter for a new indie line, but then can't come up with enough money for a stable of comic book or commercial artists? Something is missing. And getting back to Marvel, as the section is too short for the subject, certainly Dazzler shouldn't be taking up as much space as it does. Considering that Jim Shooter was chief editor of, and vied for the ownership of a major company, which was both a big winner and loser on the New York Stock Exchange, and is still a major mover in today's Hollywood, and Shooter played some part in it's commercial growth during the critical period of comics growth in the eighties, he should have a weightier article. My own interests have moved away from comics, so wouldn't have the interest in editing myself, nor have I the patience to review past versions, to see what battles have taken place over the article through the years, but would like to see a better, more in depth entry. 71.125.238.223 ( talk) 16:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
These two sections in particular:
At Valiant Jim produced the best work of his career. He brought many of Marvel's big name creators with him (Bob Layton, Barry Windsor-Smith) and together they changed the face of comics.
The Valiant characters are often called the most important of those created after the Marvel revolution in the 1960s (when Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, among others were created).
Changed the face of comics? How? Who says that? "Often called the most important"? Again: called by who? If it's often, surely there must be sources to back up this claim. (Same goes for the "best work of his career" section. "Best" is subjective. Who says that it's the best work of his career?)
In my opinion, the section reads like a press release, and not an objective, NPOV summary of his career at Valiant. -- g026r 17:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Shooter was made editor-in-chief over more established personnel at Marvel, and, during his tenure, certain long-time key staff defected to DC.
Is there any proof that this was connected to Shooter directly? It's always easy to cite the editor-in-chief rather than the pay in interviews with fans who want to know why you've left.
Shooter was, however, responsible for seriously angering staff and fans alike with his declaration that there were no gay characters in the Marvel Universe (see Northstar).
When did he make this declaration? And was it Shooter's own decision or another case of him being the one everyone blamed for corporate deisions?
Shooter angered and alienated a number of creators by insisting on strong editorial control and strict adherence to deadlines.
Or "...by ensuring the books were produced on time and to a standard, as is the job of an editor in chief"? How exactly is this significant? ( The statement is significant because it implies that some of those 'angered and alienated' creators were, in both their work behavior and their negative reactions to Shooter, being unprofessional and illogical through blaming Shooter for simply doing the job he was paid to do. )
Shooter's opposition to dropping the Comics Code cast Marvel as a conservative force in the industry.
Again was this Shooter himself or a corporate decision?
Timrollpickering 09:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, or in some cases it's clear there is a consensus, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. Better yet, edit the article yourself with the improvements in place. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted. Jjdon ( talk) 00:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Image:Harbinger beginning cover.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 08:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Image:Harbinger 01-00.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 22:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb ( talk) 16:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/05/08/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-154/ Unomi ( talk) 12:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I feel that the following sentence constitutes original research, and likely invites misunderstanding of the complaints about Shooter's handling of Ms Marvel. However, contrary to these accusations of bias, Shooter also wrote a story wherein the (male) character Thor was similarly sexually coerced by the (female) telepath Moondragon. This sentence seems to imply that the stories are analogous in terms of their controversial subject matter, and therefore people should make allowances for Shooter's Ms Marvel storyline. However, the complaints made about the Ms Marvel storyline are much broader than mind control and rape. The major problem Strickland and Claremont have with the story is that her mind control, rape, pregnancy and decision to go back to live with the man who had done all this to her are treated as an occasion for happiness and celebration. I admit I haven't read the aforementioned Thor story, but I very much doubt it was handled in the same way. Moreover, if he had written a similarly insensitive story where a man was raped, that wouldn't make his handling of the Ms Marvel storyline any better. It would just mean he'd written two bad stories, rather than one.
However, none of the flaws in the comparison would matter if it was an noteworthy viewpoint Wikipedia was documenting. The thing is, it's not. The source cited for the comparison between the two stories is not any sort of article from which the analysis could be drawn, but the Thor comic itself. The source for the comparison seems to be the editor's own analysis, and therefore qualifies as original research under Wikipedia:No original research. In light of this, I am removing the sentence from the article. I just posted this to make other editors who might dispute my change aware of the situation, and the reasons behind my edit. Mediocre ( talk) 02:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
This section consisted of two things: original-research observation about the implications of a comic-book scene, and an article of questionable journalistic standards that read, "It has been reported that although the Code had lightened considerably, Shooter declared a policy that there were 'no gays in the Marvel Universe'." It is incredibly irresponsible of the CBR writer to attribute a remarkably controversial claim of what somebody supposedly said somewhere without checking to see if the person actually said it or if it were just industry rumor.
To use the weasel word "reportedly" as he does to try to evade responsibility for not doing his work and seeing if the quote were rendered accurately or even said at all is disappointing if not actually disgusting to a professional journalist such as myself. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:45, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I understand that User:Zictor23's good-faith edit was based on Shooter interviews, and I applaud his going straight to horse's mouth, as the saying goes. But as written, that paragraph was self-contradictory and needs to be rewritten in a way that makes straightforward sense. The paragraph first said Shooter's father earned very little, but then said $7,000 annually was an average salary for 1966. If that were an average salary, then why would a 13-year-old child need to go to work? Shooter's version of events doesn't always jibe with other people's memories, but leaving that aside, the passage was so unclear, for the reasons noted here, that I couldn't see how to fix it so that it didn't contradict itself. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 23:56, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Jim Shooter. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 17:53, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Jim Shooter. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 16:34, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Jim Shooter. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 22:16, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Anyway, the point is that the credits printed on the splash page do not necessary always represent everyone who worked on a particular story. 172.58.139.202 ( talk) 01:28, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Which is which? I suspect Shooter is on the left, but I'd like to be sure. I haven't found any confirmation on Wikipedia, on Commons, or on the original source at Flickr. JIP | Talk 11:40, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Article says "ocassional fill-in artist". Really? I have never seen this description in any other article about comic-artists. Did he do artwork that got published? Shouldn't it read artist/inker/penciler/whatever then?
It could certainly say "ocassional penciler" or something like that. Ocassional + fill-in sounds pretty pejoratively.
Gott (
talk)
00:28, 7 December 2019 (UTC)