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Mon (crest) is also a "Japanese mon", albeit totally unrelated.
Shouldn't we rename this article to Japanese mon (currency), for disambiguation purposes?-- Endroit 16:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Move to Japanese mon (currency) Duja ► 09:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Request that this page be moved to Mon (currency) as a more obvious method of disambiguation. For types of currency whose name is well known, such as "dollar", nationality may sufficiently disambiguate from other types of "dollars". However, there are no other types of currency called "mon", and in my opinion, "Japanese mon" is no clearer than "mon" for a reader trying to find out what the article is about. Bradford44 20:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I moved the page according to the apparent consensus, but I urge the editors to go through Special:Whatlinkshere/Japanese jen and fix the links to now-dab page. Thanks. Duja ► 09:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
What is the meaning of "tsûhô" (通宝) in this context? Does it refer to the coin (e.g. penny) while "mon" refers to the denomination (e.g. cent)? Should we, or should we not, create a separate article for the term? I have recently come across a reference to Ryukyu Tsuho, minted in Kagoshima in the early years of Meiji; I believe these were new coinage representing the same old denominations (one Ryukyu tsuho = 100 Japanese mon) and not a new system of currency entirely. But I don't know much at all about the history of coinage in Japan, or in general, and don't really know where this fits into the coverage already seen on Wikipedia. Thanks. LordAmeth ( talk) 17:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
There's an extensive list of modern events surrounding mon coins sㄤㄤ and older coins. but I'm not sure if I could add this to the article, the 20 yen coin article lists the modern value and things surrounding modern collectors of the coins, can I do the same here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.55.196.75 ( talk) 07:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
The two Chinese characters 寶 and 寳 look very similar, in fact 寳 is a variant of 寶. But the reason I keep using 寳 in Japanese and Ryukyuan articles is because Japanese Wikipedia uses 寳 whenever possible, and to follow the style of Japanese Wikipedia I used in 寳 the templates. 👹
What's even more confusing 😵 is that the Simplified Chinese/ Shinjitai reading of both 寶 and 寳 is “宝”. 👺
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Addendum: Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese articles all seem to use 寶 instead of 寳 even if the coin uses 寳, which is almost always. I think the reason for this is because 寶 is a more common character in daily use today.
-- 42.112.159.184 ( talk) 02:41, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
There was another Japanese coin called the "Brian Tsuuhoo/Tsuuhou" (平安通寶) but I can't find any English information 🛈 on it. -- 1.55.181.220 ( talk) 03:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
There is an image circulating around of an alleged 50 mon Tenpou Tsuuhou coin, the source is this list. (through eBay) If anyone wishes to add the denominations of “50 mon”, and “200 mon” then please don’t use this as your reference, I'm placing this message here in the talk page in case anyone in the future would like to add this misinformation into this article. See this discussion where the existence of this fantasy coin is debunked.
Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱.
I hope 🤞🏻 that this message will prevent the future spread of this misinformation on this article, if you do find a reliable source then please cite it...
-- 1.55.181.2 ( talk) 16:01, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
I added the entries "This article needs additional information on the Keichō Tsūhō, and Genna Tsūhō coins and why they failed to become the standard while the Kan’ei Tsūhō succeeded.", and "This article needs additional information on the Bunkyū Ēhō coin, and its effects on the inflation present in the copper currencies caused by the introduction of the Tenpō Tsūhō." Because no matter how hard I looked I couldn't find English language sources that explained these through Microsoft Bing, if someone has books 📚 on the subject please use those, or maybe someone with a better understanding of the Japanese language than I could add those sources from Japanese Wikipedia. -- 58.187.171.100 ( talk) 03:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I am planning a major expansion based on the Catalogue of the Japanese Coin Collection (pre-Meiji) at the British Museum with special reference to Kutsuki Masatsuna, but if anyone else wishes to use this source to expand before I will they can, but I am planning on adding more content based on this source sometime in the future 🔮. --Regards, Donald Trung ( Talk) 17:31, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Throughout the first section and possible more, several deviations from the Wikipedia Manual of Style regarding dates and numbers can be seen, such as digit groupings being demarcated by a period(full stop) which is expressly forbidden by the manual and several dates being period separated, rather than hyphenated. The latter is not directly covered by the manual of style but it does deem to violate the spirit of the format.
I feel this is worth some consideration, but I do not know the full context of whether there are exceptions or validations of these, so I have not changed the page myself. -- 45.36.201.236 ( talk) 02:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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Mon (crest) is also a "Japanese mon", albeit totally unrelated.
Shouldn't we rename this article to Japanese mon (currency), for disambiguation purposes?-- Endroit 16:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was Move to Japanese mon (currency) Duja ► 09:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Request that this page be moved to Mon (currency) as a more obvious method of disambiguation. For types of currency whose name is well known, such as "dollar", nationality may sufficiently disambiguate from other types of "dollars". However, there are no other types of currency called "mon", and in my opinion, "Japanese mon" is no clearer than "mon" for a reader trying to find out what the article is about. Bradford44 20:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I moved the page according to the apparent consensus, but I urge the editors to go through Special:Whatlinkshere/Japanese jen and fix the links to now-dab page. Thanks. Duja ► 09:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
What is the meaning of "tsûhô" (通宝) in this context? Does it refer to the coin (e.g. penny) while "mon" refers to the denomination (e.g. cent)? Should we, or should we not, create a separate article for the term? I have recently come across a reference to Ryukyu Tsuho, minted in Kagoshima in the early years of Meiji; I believe these were new coinage representing the same old denominations (one Ryukyu tsuho = 100 Japanese mon) and not a new system of currency entirely. But I don't know much at all about the history of coinage in Japan, or in general, and don't really know where this fits into the coverage already seen on Wikipedia. Thanks. LordAmeth ( talk) 17:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
There's an extensive list of modern events surrounding mon coins sㄤㄤ and older coins. but I'm not sure if I could add this to the article, the 20 yen coin article lists the modern value and things surrounding modern collectors of the coins, can I do the same here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.55.196.75 ( talk) 07:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
The two Chinese characters 寶 and 寳 look very similar, in fact 寳 is a variant of 寶. But the reason I keep using 寳 in Japanese and Ryukyuan articles is because Japanese Wikipedia uses 寳 whenever possible, and to follow the style of Japanese Wikipedia I used in 寳 the templates. 👹
What's even more confusing 😵 is that the Simplified Chinese/ Shinjitai reading of both 寶 and 寳 is “宝”. 👺
Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. 🐱👤🐱👓🐱🐉🐱💻🐱🏍🐱🚀
Addendum: Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese articles all seem to use 寶 instead of 寳 even if the coin uses 寳, which is almost always. I think the reason for this is because 寶 is a more common character in daily use today.
-- 42.112.159.184 ( talk) 02:41, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
There was another Japanese coin called the "Brian Tsuuhoo/Tsuuhou" (平安通寶) but I can't find any English information 🛈 on it. -- 1.55.181.220 ( talk) 03:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
There is an image circulating around of an alleged 50 mon Tenpou Tsuuhou coin, the source is this list. (through eBay) If anyone wishes to add the denominations of “50 mon”, and “200 mon” then please don’t use this as your reference, I'm placing this message here in the talk page in case anyone in the future would like to add this misinformation into this article. See this discussion where the existence of this fantasy coin is debunked.
Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱.
I hope 🤞🏻 that this message will prevent the future spread of this misinformation on this article, if you do find a reliable source then please cite it...
-- 1.55.181.2 ( talk) 16:01, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
I added the entries "This article needs additional information on the Keichō Tsūhō, and Genna Tsūhō coins and why they failed to become the standard while the Kan’ei Tsūhō succeeded.", and "This article needs additional information on the Bunkyū Ēhō coin, and its effects on the inflation present in the copper currencies caused by the introduction of the Tenpō Tsūhō." Because no matter how hard I looked I couldn't find English language sources that explained these through Microsoft Bing, if someone has books 📚 on the subject please use those, or maybe someone with a better understanding of the Japanese language than I could add those sources from Japanese Wikipedia. -- 58.187.171.100 ( talk) 03:44, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I am planning a major expansion based on the Catalogue of the Japanese Coin Collection (pre-Meiji) at the British Museum with special reference to Kutsuki Masatsuna, but if anyone else wishes to use this source to expand before I will they can, but I am planning on adding more content based on this source sometime in the future 🔮. --Regards, Donald Trung ( Talk) 17:31, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Throughout the first section and possible more, several deviations from the Wikipedia Manual of Style regarding dates and numbers can be seen, such as digit groupings being demarcated by a period(full stop) which is expressly forbidden by the manual and several dates being period separated, rather than hyphenated. The latter is not directly covered by the manual of style but it does deem to violate the spirit of the format.
I feel this is worth some consideration, but I do not know the full context of whether there are exceptions or validations of these, so I have not changed the page myself. -- 45.36.201.236 ( talk) 02:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)