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I have spoken with Laurel Bush about the edits made to this article. I am concerned that they are POV. The latest edit at time of writing was mostly a reordering of material. The reordering was, in effect, the promotion of material relating to the Zodiac and paganism, and the demotion of material about the Roman historical origins of the month. I feel that the reordering of material in this way is POV as the concept of January comes from Roman tradition, and actually has little meaning in the Zodiac and paganism (which use alternative ways of dividing time). Please can contributors here voice there opinion so that we can reach a consensus on this.
I refer to this diff.
Gareth Hughes 13:20, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I notice that when you click the link for "Ianuarius" it explains that Juno is actually the source of the name January, not Janus. It says the same thing on the Janus page. I am not comfortable resolving this, but I think there needs to be some sort of agreement between the pages.
Hoff0839 ( talk) 05:28, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
It still says "Janus" 96.63.53.152 ( talk) 13:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
The article makes a bold claim that the name comes from the word ianua (door in Latin) "since January is the door to the year and an opening to new beginnings."
This doesn't make much sense, when January was added in the Roman Calendar it was not the first month of the year, nor was it the last. Also there are no sources to back this claim & the word ianua is derived from the God name Ianus which only makes it look more like it's actually derived from God Janus.
The second part of the same paragraph also says "The month is conventionally thought of as being named after Janus, the god of beginnings and transitions in Roman mythology, but according to ancient Roman farmers' almanacs Juno was the tutelary deity of the month.".
There are two problems with this sentence: 1) It makes it look like an absolute truth that the name being from Janus is wrong. 2) It backs that it's actually from Juno, which has only a single offline source and Juno already has a month for her, June.
This whole paragraph should be rewritten and more sources, if possible, be found. So far could not find any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by An dz ( talk • contribs) 02:52, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
I believe the introduction of this alternative etymology, based on a single source, [1] is erroneous. I am unable to access the full text of the Scullard book to see what he has to say on the topic, but if one reads the Juno page section about the relationship between Juno and Janus, it becomes clear that Juno and Janus together held a special place in the kalendae rituals at the start of each month. Since at the time that January was named, it was not the first month of the Roman calendar, it makes no sense to ascribe its etymology to the word ianua (as the gateway to the new year). It makes more sense, as described by Britannica, [2] to attribute January's primary status as resulting from its name rather than deriving its name from its primary status. I can find no other source to attribute the name January to the word ianua, and I believe its use here is based on a misinterpretation of the source. I recommend restoring the prior etymology (January from Ianuarius (Janus' month)). WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
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See Talk:List_of_month-long_observances#Keeping_this_article_and_the_various_articles_on_months_in_sync. -- MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 01:54, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
This is a very vague and unsourced claim. While some may claim that January is the second month of winter, others can claim otherwise. In Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man, January is the third month of winter. Halloween, a Gaelic festival, traditionally marked the end of Autumn and the beginning of Winter. Even in Manx, January is referred to as Jerrey Geuree, or "Winter's End". Imbolc, which takes place on the 1st of February, marks the start of spring. The phraseology here makes it seem like January being the second month of winter is a universally accepted truth. I can't speak for other cultures and how they determine their seasons, but for my own this is simply not true. Is there a way to possibly qualify this statement by stating that, say, meteorologically (with references) it is the second month of winter? Mac Tíre Cowag 21:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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I have spoken with Laurel Bush about the edits made to this article. I am concerned that they are POV. The latest edit at time of writing was mostly a reordering of material. The reordering was, in effect, the promotion of material relating to the Zodiac and paganism, and the demotion of material about the Roman historical origins of the month. I feel that the reordering of material in this way is POV as the concept of January comes from Roman tradition, and actually has little meaning in the Zodiac and paganism (which use alternative ways of dividing time). Please can contributors here voice there opinion so that we can reach a consensus on this.
I refer to this diff.
Gareth Hughes 13:20, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I notice that when you click the link for "Ianuarius" it explains that Juno is actually the source of the name January, not Janus. It says the same thing on the Janus page. I am not comfortable resolving this, but I think there needs to be some sort of agreement between the pages.
Hoff0839 ( talk) 05:28, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
It still says "Janus" 96.63.53.152 ( talk) 13:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
The article makes a bold claim that the name comes from the word ianua (door in Latin) "since January is the door to the year and an opening to new beginnings."
This doesn't make much sense, when January was added in the Roman Calendar it was not the first month of the year, nor was it the last. Also there are no sources to back this claim & the word ianua is derived from the God name Ianus which only makes it look more like it's actually derived from God Janus.
The second part of the same paragraph also says "The month is conventionally thought of as being named after Janus, the god of beginnings and transitions in Roman mythology, but according to ancient Roman farmers' almanacs Juno was the tutelary deity of the month.".
There are two problems with this sentence: 1) It makes it look like an absolute truth that the name being from Janus is wrong. 2) It backs that it's actually from Juno, which has only a single offline source and Juno already has a month for her, June.
This whole paragraph should be rewritten and more sources, if possible, be found. So far could not find any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by An dz ( talk • contribs) 02:52, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
I believe the introduction of this alternative etymology, based on a single source, [1] is erroneous. I am unable to access the full text of the Scullard book to see what he has to say on the topic, but if one reads the Juno page section about the relationship between Juno and Janus, it becomes clear that Juno and Janus together held a special place in the kalendae rituals at the start of each month. Since at the time that January was named, it was not the first month of the Roman calendar, it makes no sense to ascribe its etymology to the word ianua (as the gateway to the new year). It makes more sense, as described by Britannica, [2] to attribute January's primary status as resulting from its name rather than deriving its name from its primary status. I can find no other source to attribute the name January to the word ianua, and I believe its use here is based on a misinterpretation of the source. I recommend restoring the prior etymology (January from Ianuarius (Janus' month)). WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 13:48, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
References
See Talk:List_of_month-long_observances#Keeping_this_article_and_the_various_articles_on_months_in_sync. -- MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 01:54, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
This is a very vague and unsourced claim. While some may claim that January is the second month of winter, others can claim otherwise. In Ireland, Scotland, and the Isle of Man, January is the third month of winter. Halloween, a Gaelic festival, traditionally marked the end of Autumn and the beginning of Winter. Even in Manx, January is referred to as Jerrey Geuree, or "Winter's End". Imbolc, which takes place on the 1st of February, marks the start of spring. The phraseology here makes it seem like January being the second month of winter is a universally accepted truth. I can't speak for other cultures and how they determine their seasons, but for my own this is simply not true. Is there a way to possibly qualify this statement by stating that, say, meteorologically (with references) it is the second month of winter? Mac Tíre Cowag 21:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)