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This article should either focus on the version of JJJ in the Sam Raimi films or in the MCU, but not both. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 20:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, and no consensus to move the page to any particular alternative title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 10:23, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
J. Jonah Jameson (film character) → J. Jonah Jameson (film characters) – More appropriate. The Raimi and MCU versions are distinctly different and mostly share a single actor.
Pinging @ The Optimistic One, RebelYasha, Facu-el Millo, and InfiniteNexus: for more thoughts. – SirDot ( talk) 20:01, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I'd rather this bad article split instead. Are you saying that you'd rather each incarnation of JJJ by JK Simmons had their own individual article? Or are you saying that this article was badly split from the J. Jonah Jameson the original comic book character? — El Millo ( talk) 00:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
(film character)disambiguation does not necessarily imply that the article only covers one character, and such naming (i.e. in singular form) is the norm on Wikipedia per WP:NCPLURAL. BD2412's proposal to move this article to J. Jonah Jameson in film is also problematic, as I feel the portrayal of JJJ in other media is not notable enough to warrant a split of the comics JJJ page. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 04:38, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks I see it know but I think that when I first edited this article months his mcu version info box wasn't there that's why I kept re editing it. CR7Selawi ( talk) 02:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
J. Jonah Jameson (Raimi-Verse) has been listed at
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redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 6 § J. Jonah Jameson (Raimi-Verse) until a consensus is reached.
Steel1943 (
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20:37, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
As of this writing, the leading text (before any subsection) contains a lot of plot spoilers for most films discussed. Besides being spoilers, most of this information is superfluous and too specific, and shouldn't be in the leading text anyway, perhaps not even in the article at all (as it seems to just tell the reader the plot of the movies without encyclopedic value).
Per WP:SPOILERS, text that contains spoilers should be under a heading that implicitly serves as a spoiler warning, such as "Plot" for a work of fiction, or maybe "Depiction in the films" in this case. I think it would be even better to have separate sections for the original film series and for the MCU films.
-- NeatNit ( talk) 21:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia previously included such warnings in some articles, but no longer does so, except for the content disclaimer and section headings (such as "Plot" or "Ending"), which imply the presence of spoilers.is not saying that articles must use section headings as spoiler warnings. It is clarifying that although some may argue that section headings such as "Plot" function as spoiler warnings, the inclusion of such headings does not contravene WP:SPOILER. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 15:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Look, this article doesn't work as is. It mashes two different characters from two different film series whose primary similarity is that they share an actor. We have multiple other characters spanning several film series, like Quicksilver or Mr. Fantastic, that we don't have combined into one article because they don't share an actor. But I don't think treating this as a character article will work, because it isn't one character, it's two. Forcing this into the format of a character article is currently causing a bunch of issues, right down to the name and first sentence (first sentence should say something like "J. Jonah Jameson (JJJ) is the name of two fictional characters portrayed by" and the title is also technically inaccurate). Splitting it out into two articles won't work either because the Raimi version probably fails WP:GNG and the MCU version definitely fails WP:MCUCHARACTERS.
My proposal is a new type of article to deal with this. I was thinking something along the lines of "J. Jonah Jameson as portrayed by J. K. Simmons", or a title conveying something to that effect. Then instead of being a bad character article, it could discuss all the different versions of the character that Simmons has portrayed. So it would keep most of the same information in this current article, and perhaps add information from his voicing the character in various animated works that can be pulled from the main J. Jonah Jameson article (Right now it only mentions that he voiced them in the lead section, which is technically a violation of WP:LEAD, another problem with treating this like a character article when it isn't). The infobox would have to be modified somewhat, but that's the biggest change I think.
I purposely left this here because it's a big change and the idea I have is, as far as I know, not one Wikipedia uses anywhere else. If it sticks I think there's a couple other places I think it might be useful, where an actor portrays a lot of versions of a character in different continuities (think Mark Hamill as the Joker, for example) but even if not, at least this one article could really use something like this since it's fundamentally broken in its current state. Let me know what you guys think. Like I said, I'm not particularly stuck on the name or anything, so if you have a better idea please feel free to share. Ladtrack ( talk) 06:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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This article should either focus on the version of JJJ in the Sam Raimi films or in the MCU, but not both. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 20:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, and no consensus to move the page to any particular alternative title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 10:23, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
J. Jonah Jameson (film character) → J. Jonah Jameson (film characters) – More appropriate. The Raimi and MCU versions are distinctly different and mostly share a single actor.
Pinging @ The Optimistic One, RebelYasha, Facu-el Millo, and InfiniteNexus: for more thoughts. – SirDot ( talk) 20:01, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
I'd rather this bad article split instead. Are you saying that you'd rather each incarnation of JJJ by JK Simmons had their own individual article? Or are you saying that this article was badly split from the J. Jonah Jameson the original comic book character? — El Millo ( talk) 00:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
(film character)disambiguation does not necessarily imply that the article only covers one character, and such naming (i.e. in singular form) is the norm on Wikipedia per WP:NCPLURAL. BD2412's proposal to move this article to J. Jonah Jameson in film is also problematic, as I feel the portrayal of JJJ in other media is not notable enough to warrant a split of the comics JJJ page. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 04:38, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks I see it know but I think that when I first edited this article months his mcu version info box wasn't there that's why I kept re editing it. CR7Selawi ( talk) 02:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
The redirect
J. Jonah Jameson (Raimi-Verse) has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 6 § J. Jonah Jameson (Raimi-Verse) until a consensus is reached.
Steel1943 (
talk)
20:37, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
As of this writing, the leading text (before any subsection) contains a lot of plot spoilers for most films discussed. Besides being spoilers, most of this information is superfluous and too specific, and shouldn't be in the leading text anyway, perhaps not even in the article at all (as it seems to just tell the reader the plot of the movies without encyclopedic value).
Per WP:SPOILERS, text that contains spoilers should be under a heading that implicitly serves as a spoiler warning, such as "Plot" for a work of fiction, or maybe "Depiction in the films" in this case. I think it would be even better to have separate sections for the original film series and for the MCU films.
-- NeatNit ( talk) 21:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia previously included such warnings in some articles, but no longer does so, except for the content disclaimer and section headings (such as "Plot" or "Ending"), which imply the presence of spoilers.is not saying that articles must use section headings as spoiler warnings. It is clarifying that although some may argue that section headings such as "Plot" function as spoiler warnings, the inclusion of such headings does not contravene WP:SPOILER. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 15:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
Look, this article doesn't work as is. It mashes two different characters from two different film series whose primary similarity is that they share an actor. We have multiple other characters spanning several film series, like Quicksilver or Mr. Fantastic, that we don't have combined into one article because they don't share an actor. But I don't think treating this as a character article will work, because it isn't one character, it's two. Forcing this into the format of a character article is currently causing a bunch of issues, right down to the name and first sentence (first sentence should say something like "J. Jonah Jameson (JJJ) is the name of two fictional characters portrayed by" and the title is also technically inaccurate). Splitting it out into two articles won't work either because the Raimi version probably fails WP:GNG and the MCU version definitely fails WP:MCUCHARACTERS.
My proposal is a new type of article to deal with this. I was thinking something along the lines of "J. Jonah Jameson as portrayed by J. K. Simmons", or a title conveying something to that effect. Then instead of being a bad character article, it could discuss all the different versions of the character that Simmons has portrayed. So it would keep most of the same information in this current article, and perhaps add information from his voicing the character in various animated works that can be pulled from the main J. Jonah Jameson article (Right now it only mentions that he voiced them in the lead section, which is technically a violation of WP:LEAD, another problem with treating this like a character article when it isn't). The infobox would have to be modified somewhat, but that's the biggest change I think.
I purposely left this here because it's a big change and the idea I have is, as far as I know, not one Wikipedia uses anywhere else. If it sticks I think there's a couple other places I think it might be useful, where an actor portrays a lot of versions of a character in different continuities (think Mark Hamill as the Joker, for example) but even if not, at least this one article could really use something like this since it's fundamentally broken in its current state. Let me know what you guys think. Like I said, I'm not particularly stuck on the name or anything, so if you have a better idea please feel free to share. Ladtrack ( talk) 06:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)