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After reading countless articles by history professors, newspapers and eye witnesses I understand to a great extent what occurred during the invasion of Nanjing, the atrocities that were committed and a shallow understanding of who was involved. However i seem to have run into a problem; the International Military Tribunal for the Far East sentenced General Mastui Iwane to death for war crimes on the basis that he deliberately and recklessly disregarded his duty to take adequate steps to prevent atrocities, this is clear but there is no evidence that anyone has clearly stated except for the fact that he was the commanding officer therefore he is responsible. There seems to be very few statements that he made regarding his orders given to the troops. How was he sentenced without any hard evidence such as letters, eye witness accounts or written orders to troops, commanders, etc. It's understood that the troops committed a very large number of atrocities however Matsui himself only committed that of not doing anything. For me this doesn't seem to account for a death sentence. Can anyone please give me references regarding any specific accounts, orders or evidence relating to General Matsui's involvement and any material regarding the War Crimes trial he underwent it would be greatly appreciated. thankyou—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.38.95 ( talk • contribs) 02:46, 3 April 2005.
The Wikipedia convention is to list modern Japanese people with Western name order (personal name then family name), unless they are on record as preferring the other order. Matsui is a family name. I will move the page later if no one objects. -- Carl 10:09, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
The first edition of The Rape of Nanking, by Iris Chang, followed the IMTFE's lead in blaming Matsui for the massacre, as Matsui planned the invasion of Nanking and was Asaka's commanding officer during the Rape. James Yin and Shi Young's book of the same title, however, blames Asaka for the massacre, and portrays Matsui as a helpless figurehead stuck between a prince and an emperor. The truth is a matter of continued debate.
The article needs info on later editions. I read a non-first edition of The rape of nanking and Chang's argument seemed to me to be that Matsui took the fall for Asaka because Matsui was loyal-unto-death to the royal family. She says the worst of the violence and atrocities ceased once matsui arrived on the scene; she seemed to stop short of suggesting that if Matsui hadn't been holed up with tuberculosis miles away when the city fell, that there might not have been a massacre, but IMO only just short. Nateji77 08:19, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
- I strongly suggest expanding this section, or deleting it entirely. Chang's book has come under significant criticism, and I would suggest that this section should have other viewpoints, or else removed entirely. Furthermore, Chang was not trained as a historian, rather, a journalist. This makes any claims by her doubtful, but not necessarily incorrect, which is the reason for this post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.62.147 ( talk) 08:55, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Accusing someone of a crime and killing them is murder. Iwane Matsui had a kind look, but was very strict. His name belongs in the Murder victims category. The article needs changing. It was on his orders that no bullet was fired in the Safety Zone. User:NipponSun7
Iwane Matsui was a Class-A war criminal executed by hanging. Apparently, user CurtisNaito does not agree. Please tell why I am wrong. STSC ( talk) 20:10, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Due to a recent change, the article now says that, "Iwane Matsui became one of twenty-nine individuals formally indicted before the International Military Tribunal for the Far East". I have a copy of the source cited for this sentence, and it clearly states that 28 individuals were indicted, not 29, so why is this change being made? There are other sources to confirm this. For example, Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking says, "The IMTFE commanded enormous media and legal attention, even though only twenty-eight Japanese military and political officials were prosecuted." Tessa Bennet ( talk) 01:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
There are citations that are pretty obviously by Nanjing Massacre denialists trying to paint Matsui as a more ambivalent figure, especially 47 and 48.
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After reading countless articles by history professors, newspapers and eye witnesses I understand to a great extent what occurred during the invasion of Nanjing, the atrocities that were committed and a shallow understanding of who was involved. However i seem to have run into a problem; the International Military Tribunal for the Far East sentenced General Mastui Iwane to death for war crimes on the basis that he deliberately and recklessly disregarded his duty to take adequate steps to prevent atrocities, this is clear but there is no evidence that anyone has clearly stated except for the fact that he was the commanding officer therefore he is responsible. There seems to be very few statements that he made regarding his orders given to the troops. How was he sentenced without any hard evidence such as letters, eye witness accounts or written orders to troops, commanders, etc. It's understood that the troops committed a very large number of atrocities however Matsui himself only committed that of not doing anything. For me this doesn't seem to account for a death sentence. Can anyone please give me references regarding any specific accounts, orders or evidence relating to General Matsui's involvement and any material regarding the War Crimes trial he underwent it would be greatly appreciated. thankyou—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.38.95 ( talk • contribs) 02:46, 3 April 2005.
The Wikipedia convention is to list modern Japanese people with Western name order (personal name then family name), unless they are on record as preferring the other order. Matsui is a family name. I will move the page later if no one objects. -- Carl 10:09, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
The first edition of The Rape of Nanking, by Iris Chang, followed the IMTFE's lead in blaming Matsui for the massacre, as Matsui planned the invasion of Nanking and was Asaka's commanding officer during the Rape. James Yin and Shi Young's book of the same title, however, blames Asaka for the massacre, and portrays Matsui as a helpless figurehead stuck between a prince and an emperor. The truth is a matter of continued debate.
The article needs info on later editions. I read a non-first edition of The rape of nanking and Chang's argument seemed to me to be that Matsui took the fall for Asaka because Matsui was loyal-unto-death to the royal family. She says the worst of the violence and atrocities ceased once matsui arrived on the scene; she seemed to stop short of suggesting that if Matsui hadn't been holed up with tuberculosis miles away when the city fell, that there might not have been a massacre, but IMO only just short. Nateji77 08:19, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
- I strongly suggest expanding this section, or deleting it entirely. Chang's book has come under significant criticism, and I would suggest that this section should have other viewpoints, or else removed entirely. Furthermore, Chang was not trained as a historian, rather, a journalist. This makes any claims by her doubtful, but not necessarily incorrect, which is the reason for this post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.62.147 ( talk) 08:55, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Accusing someone of a crime and killing them is murder. Iwane Matsui had a kind look, but was very strict. His name belongs in the Murder victims category. The article needs changing. It was on his orders that no bullet was fired in the Safety Zone. User:NipponSun7
Iwane Matsui was a Class-A war criminal executed by hanging. Apparently, user CurtisNaito does not agree. Please tell why I am wrong. STSC ( talk) 20:10, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Due to a recent change, the article now says that, "Iwane Matsui became one of twenty-nine individuals formally indicted before the International Military Tribunal for the Far East". I have a copy of the source cited for this sentence, and it clearly states that 28 individuals were indicted, not 29, so why is this change being made? There are other sources to confirm this. For example, Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking says, "The IMTFE commanded enormous media and legal attention, even though only twenty-eight Japanese military and political officials were prosecuted." Tessa Bennet ( talk) 01:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
There are citations that are pretty obviously by Nanjing Massacre denialists trying to paint Matsui as a more ambivalent figure, especially 47 and 48.