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This seems like a much simpler issue than everyone is making it out to be:
a) Capitals are cities where a country's government is located.
b) Israel is a country, and its government is located in Jerusalem.
c) Therefore, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
Whether or not it is recognized as such doesn't seem to be relevant to the argument. 24.231.218.6 ( talk) 03:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Seb, according to the dictionary, my above example is correct. I don't want to split hairs, but it is universally recognized that a capital is a seat of government. Dailycare, I am aware of the original research policy--but the argument seems to have devolved into one of semantics. There are plenty of verifiable sources that state that Jerusalem is Israel's capital. What people seem to be debating is what a capital *is*--the dictionary definition is clear. We may not be able to use OR in an article, but I see no problem in using it (to an extent) on a talk page to re-affirm a consensus. 24.236.185.254 ( talk) 05:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
If not, then Jerusalem is de jure capital and West Jerusalem is de facto capital (sounds odd...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.174.51.1 ( talk) 14:46, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello all,
Today I've launched a website containing 25,000 data series about Israel (all taken, with permission, from Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics):
All of the images and the data series on the site are licensed under CC, so to allow them to be included in Wikipedia. I hope people in this project will be interested in including more statistical graphs about the state of Israel.
With regards, Tal Galili ( talk) 17:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
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1. Israels Capital Jerusalem should be in brackets () disputed. Not only Jerusalem. 2. Israel is not part of ASIA
Please fix this problems! Akaa100 ( talk) 11:08, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Someone vandalized the Israel page with a giant swastika. It needs to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.151.109.12 ( talk) 16:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
The government should say " Parliamentary unitary state, br Ethnic democracy for a more concise description. IMO, it more correctly would have Ethnocracy last, being that it is more applicable in describing its relationship with the territory's indigenous population. However, as far as being official, the state of Israel is un-controversially described as an ethnic democracy. -- Michaelwuzthere ( talk) 18:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
You may wish to add the following article to the bibliography: Kruger, Stephen, "The Two-State 'Solution': Self-Defeat 101" (2010), [1]. Tks. Vann2332 ( talk) 04:47, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Vann2332
The article " Israel" is one of several which are nearing the template include-size error, plus some exceeding the 60-second timeout to cause " wp:Wikimedia Foundation error" because { cite_news} or {cite_web} is too slow/large to be used over 350-400 times per page. Another over-size article is " Arab Spring" or " 2011–2012 Egyptian revolution". Currently, new Template:Cite_quick can be used to reduce the size/speed problem, to be coded in the article as {{cite quick |news|...}}. Now, other editors have come to support progress, and we can again continue to streamline those huge articles. Next year, when the Lua script cites are installed, then the {cite quick|news} usage can be edited to remove "quick|" and use the new, faster Lua-based {cite_news} which seems to run about as fast and small as {cite_quick}.
If there are no other concerns, then in a few days, I can change the citations in the article to use {cite_quick} and reduce the edit-preview, or reformat, time of the entire page from 45 seconds to within 14 seconds. - Wikid77 ( talk) 19:30, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't have an issue with it. What is really needed is the ability to create subpages where you can store the full reference info for each reference, and then simply refer to it in the article as <ref name="Blah"/>, and it would simply grab all of the reference information from the subpage. -- Jethro B 00:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
So, won't you write something about how Israel was established?!, As far as i know, Wikipedia does accept all true things that you write, so go on and write about Israel and how Bloodthirsty it really is, of course i have read some other articles that talk about countries and how they were established, so we need you to show us how Israel was established and how many Palestinians has Israel killed, or you are afraid of something?, am i going to be blocked?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.18.152.150 ( talk) 14:18, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
i agree that we need to show the ethnic cleanising that the zionist paramilitaries commited against the palestinian people in the 1948 war — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.208.70 ( talk) 21:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
"Once Turkey grows strong enough politically and economically it will stop recognising Israel with the first chance, and once we do this Israel will be wiped off the map", Imam in Istanbul during the summer.
Thousands of reporters and commentators have made it clear that Turkey tries to find the chance -irrespective of goverment in power- to harm Israel and become the leader of the Muslim world. Of course someone must be very ignorant to beilive Turkey is a real democracy. The suppression of minority rights and the imprisonment of Islamist goverment's opponenets are two of the various indications that Turkey is controlled by an elit, and that elit plans the harm or even more advocates the destruction of Israel. There are many years that a religious fundamentalist sentiment is fuelling in Turkey, is not something recent. And of course this is reflected by the current goverment in power also. Turkey through its established membership in NATO steadily undermines Israel's stance in Europe and the US. Its links with European and US military is a clear indication that Turkey is more harmful than any other Israeli enemy.
Anyways when I find the artcile that writes about this event I will post it in Foreign Policy section! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IsrArmen ( talk • contribs) 17:01, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
This new fact of "unparalleled importance" (according to Haaretz) deserves mention in the lead. Any suggestions where it might fit? Oncenawhile ( talk) 22:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Onceinawhile, your suggestion is based on a misinterpretation of the article. What the article says is "A Ministry of Finance memorandum on the amendment to the law notes that in 2011 the population of Israel and the Palestinian Authority exceeded the 12 million mark, which enables manufacturers who market to these consumers to enjoy a tax break." That is to say, the figure includes the Palestinian Authority (as well as Gaza), which, as the memo makes explicit, is not part of the state of Israel.
What alarms Eldar is the expansionist factions of the Israeli government, that want all the territory of the West Bank incorporated into Israel. For the time being, those forces have not taken the steps to make that expansion, so it would be wrong to include the populations of Gaza and the Occupied Territories as part of Israel. The government is now considering implementation of a report that would indeed obfuscate the legal distinction between Israel and the West Bank (the Edmond Levy report), thus de jure annexing the West Bank. However, for the time being, such a change in the article would be premature. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 05:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Its not KISHINEV POGROM but CHISINAU POGROM. KISHINEV is not the official name of Chisinau (Republic of Moldova) anymore. -- Octavix ( talk) 12:53, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
One of South Africa's recent investigations declared Israel to be an apartheid regime. I feel that should be at least noted in the article. [6] -- 120.147.16.209 ( talk) 05:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Why is "Arabic" in the "Official languages" box of this article on Israel? -- 68.103.165.33 ( talk) 20:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Energy Triangle between Israel, Greece and Cyprus
Energy Triangle refers to the joint natural gas extraction between Cyprus, Israel and Greece that is estimated to begin in 2015. Officials from all three countries have agreed to the establishment of a gas pipeline from Aphrodite gas field and Leviathan gas field to a liquefied natural gas plant in Vasilikos Power Station by 2019. According to Noble Energy, a total gross unrisked deep oil potential is enough to cover the supply of natural gas to Europe for 20 years, the supply for Israel for 150 years and for Cyprus 200 years.
This collaboration is part of the strong alliance between the three countries. Kotsia2 ( talk) 09:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Malik Shabazz, I deleted link to the List of wars involving Israel from hatnotes because all these wars were with Arab countries, and there's already a link to Arab–Israeli conflict which covers this more comprehensively. -- Triggerhippie4 ( talk) 11:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
there are 2 photos of israeli air planes, i think they aren't such fit to this article, but to another who deals with israeli made weapons, thanks.
Very, very badly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.149.187.98 ( talk) 17:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Criticism_section. 216.149.187.98 ( talk) 16:14, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
There is no other country like Israel on earth, its unique, so your argument does not apply.
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20:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)Taco
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2012/11/mil-121106-rferl01.htm Russian Election Report Concludes U.S. Vote Will Be Neither Free Nor Fair
Stop trying to change the subject, if you have a problem with the US take it up on that page 216.149.187.98 ( talk) 21:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Other_stuff_exists According to this wiki law, then Encyclopaedic articles do indeed need it. Especially the sort where people are trying to Game the system of wiki as it did here "August 18, 2010). "Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups". The Guardian. Retrieved February 16, 2012." So agreed, there definatly should be a criticism section displaying the sourced facts about the racism in israel and the anti-non jewish policies that is being kept. Not just as a seperate article itself ONLY. Especially the anti-non jew part should be added, the human rights record on controlling the press by violence is just another example http://www.btselem.org/beating_and_abuse/20120913_assault_on_jornalists_in_kafr_qadum 109.225.103.178 ( talk) 12:37, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Israel is already the target if criticism and anger, we do not need to add to that. For the sake of the country's honor, we should focus on saying positive words about it. (Written by a person in the U.S.) 98.246.39.52 ( talk) 06:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
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Please could you change Tel Aviv to the capital city of Israel. Jerusalem is not officially recognized as the capital, neither by any International country or the United Nations. Dan.s.Jones ( talk) 15:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Dan.s.Jones is partially correct, Tel Aviv is the unofficial capital of Israel whereas Jerusalem is stated by Israel as it's official Capital, perhaps Tel Aviv can be included as the unofficial capital on this page if it is not already somewhere on here. Silvertrail ( talk) 23:23, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I can't edit, although it may be interesting to note under the literature section that Israelis publish more material per capita than any other country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junglefingers ( talk • contribs) 03:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Here is one: http://www.biblicalzionist.com/facts.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junglefingers ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
The article says "In its Basic Laws Israel defines itself as a Jewish and Democratic State". The full text of the Basic Laws are at http://main.knesset.gov.il/Activity/Legislation/Pages/BasicLaws.aspx and I don't see any "Israel is a Jewish state" there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.78.54 ( talk) 17:49, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Isn't Israel a country?
Lebanon and Turkey are "parliamentary democracies" too. Why is only Israel described as such in the article's opening sentence? This has a strong smell of propaganda...
Tomás Rosa Bueno ( talk) 16:32, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Shall we include more information regarding the specific education in Israel, such as the anti-Palestinian sentiment being taught to young Israeli minds? According to the Israeli language and education professor Nurit Peled-Elhanan, young Israeli students are receiving a biased viewpoint on the subject of the Palestinians, it may be important to note this in this article's Education section, as it deals with Education in Israel.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/book-review-how-israeli-school-textbooks-teach-kids-hate/11571 Silvertrail ( talk) 18:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
It is strange how this article devotes a single paragraph to 1100 years of the history of the region. — goethean 17:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Keep hearing and reading that the name Israel is simply a combination of three godnames: Isis, Ra, El. Same as "amen" in prayer is taken from the Egyptian god Amun or Amen. Would be nice if this could be added to the article because right now the word "Isral" isn't properly explained in the Etymology section at all. Some guy was "given" the name from god - yeah sure. Wikipedia should do better in an "etymology" section. 178.191.32.99 ( talk) 04:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
The languages should appear like this:
{{Main|Arabic language|Hebrew language}}
Actually, no, it shouldn't as there is 49% of the population that speaks Hebrew, and 18% who speaks Arabic. Changing the order would be silly thing to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achiron ( talk • contribs) 07:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
That's al, it need to be updated in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achiron ( talk • contribs) 07:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
that should be changed because currently this page is biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.231.141 ( talk) 05:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Around the 28th second of the Israeli anthem, there are some offensive words that appear over the black screen. This should be changed asap. Wormpy ( talk) 02:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
It's been fixed. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 02:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Well you have a major mistake, you are writing that about 20% of the population in israel arab arab.(70% jews). you are comparing apples to oranges. jew is a religion. arab is a decent. most of the jews in israel are of arab decent. you should be writing 20% moslims, instead of arab. 76.91.245.107 ( talk) 20:48, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
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Another major mistake: at another section it says and I quote "Since 1964 Arab countries, concerned over Israeli plans to divert waters of the Jordan River over into the coastal plain,[99] had been trying to divert the headwaters to deprive Israel of water resources, provoking tensions between Israel on the one hand, and Syria and Lebanon on the other." so far - correct. Now it goes on: " On the other hand, water resources were confiscated for the benefit of the Israeli settlements in the Ghor." --- That't a major mistake since there were no Israeli settlements in the Ghor in 1964, as the Jordan Valley (the Ghor in Arabic), together with the rest of the west bank, was captured only in 1967. This seems to be an attempt to justify pre-67 aggression against Israel by its Arab neighbors, by a mix of chronology.
Now it goes on: "Palestinian irrigation pumps on the Jordan River were destroyed or confiscated after the 1967 war and Palestinians are not allowed to use water from the Jordan River system. Furthermore, the authorities did not allow any new irrigation wells to be drilled by Palestinian farmers, while it provided fresh water and allowed drilling wells for irrigation purposes at the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[100] Arab nationalists led by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser refused to recognize Israel, and called for its destruction.[12][101][102] By 1966, Israeli-Arab relations had deteriorated to the point of actual battles taking place between Israeli and Arab forces.[103]"
As evident in this bit, this mix of chronology goes on. it should have been something like: "Arab nationalists led by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser refused to recognize Israel, and called for its destruction.[12][101][102] By 1966, Israeli-Arab relations had deteriorated to the point of actual battles taking place between Israeli and Arab forces.[103]" And ONLY THEN "after the 1967 war, Palestinian irrigation pumps on the Jordan River were destroyed or confiscated and Palestinians are not allowed to use water from the Jordan River system. Furthermore, the authorities did not allow any new irrigation wells to be drilled by Palestinian farmers, while it provided fresh water and allowed drilling wells for irrigation purposes at the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[100]" Since this is the later part, chronologically speaking.. But it is still way one sided. To explain what happened right after 67' is quite easy - all residents were required to connect to the national water grid and pay for their water. Water in Israel are considered property of Mekorot, or the national grid. So this bit is correct, only presented in a one-sided fashion, since Palestinians could use as much water as they liked, provided they payed for the water. The settlers pay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.139.161 ( talk) 22:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Read the following bit: "Since 1964 Arab countries, concerned over Israeli plans to divert waters of the Jordan River over into the coastal plain,[99] had been trying to divert the headwaters to deprive Israel of water resources, provoking tensions between Israel on the one hand, and Syria and Lebanon on the other. On the other hand, water resources were confiscated for the benefit of the Israeli settlements in the Ghor. Palestinian irrigation pumps on the Jordan River were destroyed or confiscated after the 1967 war and Palestinians are not allowed to use water from the Jordan River system. Furthermore, the authorities did not allow any new irrigation wells to be drilled by Palestinian farmers, while it provided fresh water and allowed drilling wells for irrigation purposes at the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[100] Arab nationalists led by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser refused to recognize Israel, and called for its destruction.[12][101][102] By 1966, Israeli-Arab relations had deteriorated to the point of actual battles taking place between Israeli and Arab forces.[103]"
So, what's wrong with this part?.. obviously, the phrase "On the other hand, water resources were confiscated for the benefit of the Israeli settlements in the Ghor" is a recent addition which is not chronologically in its proper place, as the Ghor (Jordan Valley) was only taken in 67'. There were no "Israeli settlements in the Ghor" in 1964.
The next phrase is one sided and misleading as well. But you could say it is marginally correct, since water in Israel are scarce and considered property of the national water company, they must be purchased. So yes, the Jordan is channeled into a pipe and large amounts of water are desalinated. This is why the residents were not allowed to take water from the Jordan or drill wells for private use. Water which are drilled dry out the equifer. They were requested to pay for the water just like anyone else in Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.139.161 ( talk) 23:07, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, after this paragraph:
"Palestinians prevented from using water from the Jordan River system or drilling new irrigation wells, Israel provided fresh water and allowed wells for irrigation at the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip." i would like to add the following reference: [1]
Barah1964 ( talk) 16:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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I wish to add more to the "Independence and first years" section. The inclusion of this extra information provides background information to the formation of the Askenazi and Mizrahi ethnic identities. It also nuances the issue of immigration and stops are immigrants coming to Israel during the late 1940's and early 1950's from looking the same. Below are the potential added sections. They are placed between two examples of already existing place to provide context.
Israel was admitted as a member of the United Nations by majority vote on 11 May 1949.[85] In the early years of the state, the Labor Zionist movement led by Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion dominated Israeli politics.[86][87] These years were marked by an influx of Holocaust survivors and Jews from Arab lands, many of whom faced persecution and expulsion from their original countries.[88] Consequently, the population of Israel rose from 800,000 to two million between 1948 and 1958
Immigration to Israel during the late 1940's and early 1950's was aided by the Israeli Immigration Department and the non-government sponsored Organization for Illegal Immigration, called Mossad le-aliyah bet. Both groups facilitated regular immigration logistics like arranging transportation, but the latter also engaged in clandestine operations in countries, particularly in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, where the lives of Jews were believed to be in danger and exit from those places was difficult. The Organization for Illegal Immigration continued to take part in immigration efforts until its disbanding in 1953. [2]
During this period, food, clothes and furniture had to be rationed in what became known as the Austerity Period. Between 1948–1970, approximately 1,151,029 Jewish refugees relocated to Israel.[90] Some arrived as refugees with no possessions and were housed in temporary camps known as ma'abarot; by 1952, over 200,000 immigrants were living in these tent cities.
The immigrants came to Israel for differing reasons. Some believed in the Zionist ideology, while others moved to escape persecution. There were others that did it for the promise of a better life in Israel and a sizable number that were expelled from their homelands, like Iraq. [3] The refugees were often treated differently according to where they were from. Jews of European descent were considered to critical to the strengthening and peopling of Israel, so they were generally allowed to enter Israel first and thus were given abandoned Arab houses to live in. On the other hand, Jews from Middle Eastern and North African countries were viewed by many Ashkenazi Jews as lazy, poor, culturally and religiously backward, and a threat to established communal life in Israel and remained in transit camps for longer periods of time. [4] During the 1950's, the standard of living gap between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews widened so much that tensions developed between the two groups. This tension first moved to hostility during the Wadi Salib Uprising in 1959; other instances of domestic turmoil would occur over the following decades. [5]
Dmb504 ( talk) 03:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
pffft. Jewish is a religion, not an ethnic group. i can become Jewish if i put in some effort, but i can't change my ethnicity. please stop buying into wishful nonsense, wikipedia, you're better than that.· Lygophile has spoken 03:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Ethnicity is a flexible concept, and Jews fit the definition as do sub-groups such as Sephardi Jews or Ethiopian Jews. The assumption that religion and ethnicity are separate is specific to Christian culture where that is generally the case but it is perfectly possible for religion and ethnicity to be aligned as in Coptic Christians or Celts. The Jew/ Arab distinction in statistics dates back to the British mandate when everyone was regarded as Palestinian. Telaviv1 ( talk) 20:07, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, so maybe Israel runs a lousy census. But what's the suggestion with regard to the article? Formerip ( talk) 21:47, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Some Moslems believe there should be an Islamic state, it is not for you or me to decide on that issue. There is an Armenian Church, a Bulgarian church, an Ethiopian church and a Greek Orthodox church. Most Arab states define themselves as Islamic in their constitutions although some, such as Egypt, have a sizeable Christian minority. Its normal in the Middle East for religion and nationalism to coincide and Israel fits the regional pattern. I would shift all the ethnicity data out of the lede and into the relevant section and simply say that ethnic groups are as defined by the Israeli statistics office. I forgot the Anglican church! Heirs to the throne only marry Anglicans, so its out of bounds for Jews and Moslems. Telaviv1 ( talk) 11:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The statistics office differentiates people by their country of origin and their parents country of origin. In general one can provide thgose figures, however growing inter-marriage means that a large percentage of Israelis are both/neither Ashkenazi and Sephardi. Acutally I think it would be a good idea to do this, though it requires a bit more research. They have figures in Demographics of Israel but I think they're suspect: too neat a distinction between ashkenazi and spehardis. http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_25&CYear=2010 http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/shnatone_new.htm?CYear=2010&Vol=61&CSubject=2 for the general list. Telaviv1 ( talk) 10:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
there's another issue: Most French Jews are sephardi and many US Jews are, but the figures will imply they are Ashkenazi. Jews form Bulgaria,Turkey and Kazakhstan are hard to place and Indian and Ethiopians don't fit in the Ashkenazi -Sepahrdi model. Telaviv1 ( talk) 10:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
The problem is also that Israel counts the settler population in the occupied territories as "Israel", so the numbers are inaccurate as the numbers are not only for Israel. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 20:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Why make things so complicated? Israel Central Bureau of Statistics divides ethnically its population in three groups: Jewish, Arab and others. What sub-ethnic Ashkenazi/Mizrahi groups have to do with this? And yes, Jews are an ethnic group rather than a religious one (even the Bible talks about a "people"). There are many atheistic Jews (orthodox Jews don't deny that). And the settler population is already clarified in "Demographics" section and the infobox. Quote: Includes all permanent residents in Israel, the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. Also includes Israeli citizens living in the West Bank. Excludes non-Israeli population in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.-- IranitGreenberg ( talk) 16:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Ethnicity is genetic? Since when? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
The Israel Central Bureau of Statistics doesn't even use the term "ethnicity", only "nationality" instead (different term from "citizenship" in Israel), and "religion". The latest census, from April 14th, says this on their website, translation from Hebrew: "The Jewish population is 75.3%, the Arab population is 20.7%, and the "others" - non-Arab Christians, people of other religions and people not classified by religion, are 4.0%." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuvn86 ( talk • contribs) 23:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
These two sets of statistics are not inconsistent. 3% of the population may have abandonned religon altogether. Being Jewish dependa on the context in which the term is used. Trahelliven ( talk) 00:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Since when are ethnicity and religion mutually exclusive? See ethnic religion and ethnoreligious group. I wonder if Sikhs experience denial as an ethnicity like we do, or is this exclusive to Jews? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.99.78.149 ( talk) 21:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Most Jews are genetically related because they are Israelites. Those are ethnic Jews. Ethnic Jews are Jews such as Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi. Jews that are not ethnic are groups that converted to Judaism such as [[Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews), Indian Jews, and Black Hebrew Israelites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.219.201.131 ( talk) 06:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
May i suggest adding Foreign relations of Israel to the "See Also" section? It's not particularly good article but it seems more balanced than my original thought of separate 'Israel-[insert country]' articles. Maybe it would make more sense to skip the blurbs and just Index country specific articles. I prefer this idea. The reason I say this is because the blurbs on the 'Foreign relations of Israel' cherry pick parts of the the main pages in a biased way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.101.38 ( talk) 19:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I wished to add a few lines to the Article, but I found it protected... Can some friend Editor add these lines to the Section Etymology ... last para:
Many believe that the making of Israel is in accord with the prophecies contained in old Scriptures. To quote two only: “Thus saith thy Lord: Behold I will take the whole house of Israel from among the nations, whither they went ; and I will gather them from all those around them, and bring them to the land of Israel, and make them a nation in my land even on the mountains of Israel.”(Ezekiel 37:21-24) [1] In very similar words the prophecy occurs in the Quran 17:105 “…and when the time of the Promise of the Later Days comes, We shall bring you together out of the various peoples.” (Quran 17:105) [2] -- ڈاکٹر محمد علی ( talk) 09:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
What does it mean, Neighboring Arab states invaded the next day in support of the Palestinian Arabs? Any academic reference for such statement? (If not, I propose to change it to ..invaded the new country on the next day.) Franp9am ( talk) 20:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't agree with this Dailycare's edit. In my opinion, this is far from a neutral desctiption. First, almost all invasions have some "formal invitation", for example, when the Russions invaded Czechoslovakia (my country) in 1968, there was also an "invitation" from some local communists, but nobody relativizes the word invasion on the corresponding wiki article. The invitation of the Arab armies should be mentioned somewhere in the article about the 1948 war, but this doesn't mean that the introduction to "israel" should contain this weasel words "entered", unless you provide a clear reference that this is how most historians view it. (Definitely, it should not be based on authors such as Quigley!) Franp9am ( talk) 20:23, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
The law of compulsory education has been amended recently to the age of 16, but I'm afraid I'm neither able to edit this article nor find any internet sources... I'm not precisely internet-savvy, I'm afraid! However I was told by social services that if I desire I have the right to drop out of High School at the age of 16. I was surprised initially when one of my parents told me this, but apparently it's a very recent thing, similar to how it's now a citizen is allowed to gain a driver's license when they're 16 and three quarters, down from 17, and when I asked a social service person (personnel? employee?), they indeed confirmed it. If you know where to look, can you find a source? I was unable to find anything in English. I could scan a Hebrew newspaper though? 109.65.64.150 ( talk) 20:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I know this has been the subject of some dispute in the past (where did that discussion go?), but wouldn't it be more NPOV to state Jerusalem as proclaimed capital on both this page and the page for the State of Palestine? No country in the world (apart from the US) officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Isreal and the reference is the CIA world fact book, which is reputable, but arguably biased in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.181.207 ( talk) 19:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
It would not be beneficial to state Tel-Aviv as Israel's capital as Israel exercises de facto control over all of Jerusalem. The final status of Jerusalem is subject to final negotiation between Israel and the Palestinian authority. To state that Tel-Aviv is Israel's fallcy would therefore be a fallacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkangelus333 ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
This question is raised with some regularity, and the consensus is that the footnote disclaimer in the infobox is sufficient. Please read the Talk page archives instead of re-litigating this matter. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 21:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Without seeing the other country article in question, I can't just agree to the compromise. I understand your reasoning here and it may be a sound compromise, but I don't want to run into a case where we are talking about a small country and therefore possibly a rarely visited article that is not being properly maintained. I also don't want to get caught into special cases, like South Africa, with its three official capitals, or Nauru, which doesn't have any official capital but can be described as having a de facto one as it has a city with the functions of a capital, like the seat of legislature. Tel Aviv does not serve as a de facto capital and does not execute the legal functions of a capital. Jerusalem does. Nauru also has this in absence of anything else, Israel is not that case. -- OuroborosCobra ( talk) 19:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
The "unique case" of Israel justifies our footnote in the infobox. It in no way justifies jumping the extra step of listing something that is not functionally the Israeli capital in any sense of the word at all. A cultural center does not a capital make. -- OuroborosCobra ( talk) 04:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
There is a precedent for a footnote: Myanmar's official capital is given in the infobox as Naypyidaw, with a footnote stating "Some governments recognise Yangon (Rangoon) as the national capital." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Touringtest ( talk • contribs) 13:25, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Where is it? Regardless of your political affiliation, you must admit that Israel is very controversial for many many reasons, there should be a controversy section.
Steve348 ( talk) 18:16, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys, in light of the result of the ArbCom mandated RFC, there seems to be a need to revise the infobox since it now indicates Jerusalem as the capital, with a link to the footnote. Since stating even that Jerusalem is the capital, although unrecognized, has been rejected in the RFC the wording of the infobox seems out of date. Obvious solutions would be to leave "Capital" blank, or amend to "Seat of Government" (after the BBC), which apparently would require amending the Infobox template, too. Comments? -- Dailycare ( talk) 18:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't particularly care how this is resolved, but just want to point out that no template change would be required to change the wording from Capital to SoG. All that needs to be done is add "| capital_type=[[Seat of Government]]
" to the existing parameters.
Fat&Happy (
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The other problem with the infobox is it identifies Jerusalem as the largest city in Israel. Thats only true if you include portions of the city that arent in Israel. Otherwise Tel Aviv is larger than Jerusalem. I propose removing the listing of Jerusalem as the largest city, as it certainly is not NPOV to claim for Israel territory and population that the overwhelming majority of scholars and other states say is not part of Israel. nableezy - 16:32, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Im going to go ahead and set capital_type to seat of government. nableezy - 18:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel whether you like it or not, in reality, it isn't even open for debate, and it shouldn't be open for debate on a site which brings information to many people around the world! It would simply mislead them with lies. אשכנזישעיידן ( talk) 10:27, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
My name is Harriet and I'm writing from the BBC World Service. The University of Oxford has released the findings of its research into topics on Wikipedia that spark the biggest 'edit wars', and top of the list is Israel.
I was wondering whether we might be able to speak to one of the main editors of the Israel page about how this is managed, do you frequently enter edit wars, how do you resolve them?
I'd be very grateful if you would get in touch here!
Thanks
Harriet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harriet114 ( talk • contribs) 14:41, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
I saw modifications to the infobox were made after a brief discussion above, and I must say that, when compared to the State of Palestine article, they don't make sense. The State of Palestine article has a Capital field [albeit with the tag "(proclaimed)"], but this article doesn't? The State of Palestine has "Jerusalem (proclaimed)" as its largest city (with no clarification about what that means), but here it mentions that this is if East Jerusalem is excluded?
Particularly on the capital point, it makes no sense to mention a capital for the State of Palestine and none here. I stand behind the suggestion I made above: include a Capital field here that says "Jerusalem (proclaimed)" and a Seat of government field that says "Jerusalem" [unqualified]. Or you can somehow combine that into one field, as is done at State of Palestine. The Jerusalem RfC does not provide grounds to expunge the wordcapital from the infobox. -- tariqabjotu 20:50, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Tariq, I would just remove largest city from the State of Palestine article. It doesnt belong there, and actually most things involving territory dont belong there either. I dont think we can have both a capital and a seat of government field, at least I dont see how from looking at the infobox documentation, so I think its either capital = Jerusalem (proclaimed) or seat of government = Jerusalem (unqualified), but not both. As far as a capital in that articles infobox, the proclamation is al-Quds, and though Ive seen various statement saying oh we mean EJ, I havent seen anything official. So the proclaimed capital there, as it is here, is Jerusalem. I have no problem having both say capital = Jerusalem (proclaimed), and if there is a technical ability to also include seat of government here I wouldnt oppose it (though I would favor having just seat of government unqualified). nableezy - 20:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
This is not meant to be offensive, but Jerusalem *IS* the capital of Israel. "Proclaimed" is nothing more than an attempt to delegitimize the absolute fact that Jerusalem is the capital. Its possible someone might say that "consensus is needed to make changes". Well, consensus is not needed to say the earth is round. Its a fact that the earth is round.
Someone needs to remove "proclaimed" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.179.78.146 ( talk) 19:53, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I think this map is a much more proper map to use in the article (as seen in the Hebrew version) instead of the current one. I'm not trying to be politically correct here but the West Bank, which was conquered in a defensive war and is considered a part of Israel by the U.S. and Israel itself, is clearly distinguished and is marked in pale green. It would make sense to use it because even though the international community doesn't consider the disputed area a part of Israel, it's under Israel's control. Any opinions? Thanks, Shalom11111 ( talk) 22:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I removed the following refs from the biblio since they had harv errors for not being used in the article:
Add back as necessary.
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British forces invading from Egypt defeated the Ottoman forces in the Levant with the help of Arab allies they betrayed.
Not done: please make your request in a "change X to Y" format. Thanks,
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On the right part of the page near the top, there is an incorrect name for Israel. 71.93.199.253 ( talk) 02:41, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Although I do support the idea of Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, would it not be appropriate to also mention Tel Aviv as the other capital in the infobox as it is disputed? 23haveblue ( talk) 18:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Yambarah the USA only recognizes a De Facto annexation of East Jerusalem. As I understand The Supreme Court of Israel only recognizes a De Facto annexation of East Jerusalem. A renamed West Jerusalem now known as Jerusalem may be the De Jure capital of Israel. Israel may have extended some De Facto control that it had over East Jerusalem to the Renamed West Jerusalem. However it's not clear if anybody recognizes the De jure annexation of East Jerusalem including Israel. 198.45.184.25 ( talk) 01:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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This seems like a much simpler issue than everyone is making it out to be:
a) Capitals are cities where a country's government is located.
b) Israel is a country, and its government is located in Jerusalem.
c) Therefore, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
Whether or not it is recognized as such doesn't seem to be relevant to the argument. 24.231.218.6 ( talk) 03:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Seb, according to the dictionary, my above example is correct. I don't want to split hairs, but it is universally recognized that a capital is a seat of government. Dailycare, I am aware of the original research policy--but the argument seems to have devolved into one of semantics. There are plenty of verifiable sources that state that Jerusalem is Israel's capital. What people seem to be debating is what a capital *is*--the dictionary definition is clear. We may not be able to use OR in an article, but I see no problem in using it (to an extent) on a talk page to re-affirm a consensus. 24.236.185.254 ( talk) 05:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
If not, then Jerusalem is de jure capital and West Jerusalem is de facto capital (sounds odd...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.174.51.1 ( talk) 14:46, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello all,
Today I've launched a website containing 25,000 data series about Israel (all taken, with permission, from Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics):
All of the images and the data series on the site are licensed under CC, so to allow them to be included in Wikipedia. I hope people in this project will be interested in including more statistical graphs about the state of Israel.
With regards, Tal Galili ( talk) 17:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
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1. Israels Capital Jerusalem should be in brackets () disputed. Not only Jerusalem. 2. Israel is not part of ASIA
Please fix this problems! Akaa100 ( talk) 11:08, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Someone vandalized the Israel page with a giant swastika. It needs to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.151.109.12 ( talk) 16:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
The government should say " Parliamentary unitary state, br Ethnic democracy for a more concise description. IMO, it more correctly would have Ethnocracy last, being that it is more applicable in describing its relationship with the territory's indigenous population. However, as far as being official, the state of Israel is un-controversially described as an ethnic democracy. -- Michaelwuzthere ( talk) 18:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
You may wish to add the following article to the bibliography: Kruger, Stephen, "The Two-State 'Solution': Self-Defeat 101" (2010), [1]. Tks. Vann2332 ( talk) 04:47, 31 July 2012 (UTC) Vann2332
The article " Israel" is one of several which are nearing the template include-size error, plus some exceeding the 60-second timeout to cause " wp:Wikimedia Foundation error" because { cite_news} or {cite_web} is too slow/large to be used over 350-400 times per page. Another over-size article is " Arab Spring" or " 2011–2012 Egyptian revolution". Currently, new Template:Cite_quick can be used to reduce the size/speed problem, to be coded in the article as {{cite quick |news|...}}. Now, other editors have come to support progress, and we can again continue to streamline those huge articles. Next year, when the Lua script cites are installed, then the {cite quick|news} usage can be edited to remove "quick|" and use the new, faster Lua-based {cite_news} which seems to run about as fast and small as {cite_quick}.
If there are no other concerns, then in a few days, I can change the citations in the article to use {cite_quick} and reduce the edit-preview, or reformat, time of the entire page from 45 seconds to within 14 seconds. - Wikid77 ( talk) 19:30, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't have an issue with it. What is really needed is the ability to create subpages where you can store the full reference info for each reference, and then simply refer to it in the article as <ref name="Blah"/>, and it would simply grab all of the reference information from the subpage. -- Jethro B 00:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
So, won't you write something about how Israel was established?!, As far as i know, Wikipedia does accept all true things that you write, so go on and write about Israel and how Bloodthirsty it really is, of course i have read some other articles that talk about countries and how they were established, so we need you to show us how Israel was established and how many Palestinians has Israel killed, or you are afraid of something?, am i going to be blocked?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.18.152.150 ( talk) 14:18, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
i agree that we need to show the ethnic cleanising that the zionist paramilitaries commited against the palestinian people in the 1948 war — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.208.70 ( talk) 21:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
"Once Turkey grows strong enough politically and economically it will stop recognising Israel with the first chance, and once we do this Israel will be wiped off the map", Imam in Istanbul during the summer.
Thousands of reporters and commentators have made it clear that Turkey tries to find the chance -irrespective of goverment in power- to harm Israel and become the leader of the Muslim world. Of course someone must be very ignorant to beilive Turkey is a real democracy. The suppression of minority rights and the imprisonment of Islamist goverment's opponenets are two of the various indications that Turkey is controlled by an elit, and that elit plans the harm or even more advocates the destruction of Israel. There are many years that a religious fundamentalist sentiment is fuelling in Turkey, is not something recent. And of course this is reflected by the current goverment in power also. Turkey through its established membership in NATO steadily undermines Israel's stance in Europe and the US. Its links with European and US military is a clear indication that Turkey is more harmful than any other Israeli enemy.
Anyways when I find the artcile that writes about this event I will post it in Foreign Policy section! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IsrArmen ( talk • contribs) 17:01, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
This new fact of "unparalleled importance" (according to Haaretz) deserves mention in the lead. Any suggestions where it might fit? Oncenawhile ( talk) 22:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Onceinawhile, your suggestion is based on a misinterpretation of the article. What the article says is "A Ministry of Finance memorandum on the amendment to the law notes that in 2011 the population of Israel and the Palestinian Authority exceeded the 12 million mark, which enables manufacturers who market to these consumers to enjoy a tax break." That is to say, the figure includes the Palestinian Authority (as well as Gaza), which, as the memo makes explicit, is not part of the state of Israel.
What alarms Eldar is the expansionist factions of the Israeli government, that want all the territory of the West Bank incorporated into Israel. For the time being, those forces have not taken the steps to make that expansion, so it would be wrong to include the populations of Gaza and the Occupied Territories as part of Israel. The government is now considering implementation of a report that would indeed obfuscate the legal distinction between Israel and the West Bank (the Edmond Levy report), thus de jure annexing the West Bank. However, for the time being, such a change in the article would be premature. -- Ravpapa ( talk) 05:08, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Its not KISHINEV POGROM but CHISINAU POGROM. KISHINEV is not the official name of Chisinau (Republic of Moldova) anymore. -- Octavix ( talk) 12:53, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
One of South Africa's recent investigations declared Israel to be an apartheid regime. I feel that should be at least noted in the article. [6] -- 120.147.16.209 ( talk) 05:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Why is "Arabic" in the "Official languages" box of this article on Israel? -- 68.103.165.33 ( talk) 20:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Energy Triangle between Israel, Greece and Cyprus
Energy Triangle refers to the joint natural gas extraction between Cyprus, Israel and Greece that is estimated to begin in 2015. Officials from all three countries have agreed to the establishment of a gas pipeline from Aphrodite gas field and Leviathan gas field to a liquefied natural gas plant in Vasilikos Power Station by 2019. According to Noble Energy, a total gross unrisked deep oil potential is enough to cover the supply of natural gas to Europe for 20 years, the supply for Israel for 150 years and for Cyprus 200 years.
This collaboration is part of the strong alliance between the three countries. Kotsia2 ( talk) 09:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Malik Shabazz, I deleted link to the List of wars involving Israel from hatnotes because all these wars were with Arab countries, and there's already a link to Arab–Israeli conflict which covers this more comprehensively. -- Triggerhippie4 ( talk) 11:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
there are 2 photos of israeli air planes, i think they aren't such fit to this article, but to another who deals with israeli made weapons, thanks.
Very, very badly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.149.187.98 ( talk) 17:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Criticism_section. 216.149.187.98 ( talk) 16:14, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
There is no other country like Israel on earth, its unique, so your argument does not apply.
216.149.187.98 (
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20:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)Taco
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2012/11/mil-121106-rferl01.htm Russian Election Report Concludes U.S. Vote Will Be Neither Free Nor Fair
Stop trying to change the subject, if you have a problem with the US take it up on that page 216.149.187.98 ( talk) 21:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Other_stuff_exists According to this wiki law, then Encyclopaedic articles do indeed need it. Especially the sort where people are trying to Game the system of wiki as it did here "August 18, 2010). "Wikipedia editing courses launched by Zionist groups". The Guardian. Retrieved February 16, 2012." So agreed, there definatly should be a criticism section displaying the sourced facts about the racism in israel and the anti-non jewish policies that is being kept. Not just as a seperate article itself ONLY. Especially the anti-non jew part should be added, the human rights record on controlling the press by violence is just another example http://www.btselem.org/beating_and_abuse/20120913_assault_on_jornalists_in_kafr_qadum 109.225.103.178 ( talk) 12:37, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Israel is already the target if criticism and anger, we do not need to add to that. For the sake of the country's honor, we should focus on saying positive words about it. (Written by a person in the U.S.) 98.246.39.52 ( talk) 06:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
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Please could you change Tel Aviv to the capital city of Israel. Jerusalem is not officially recognized as the capital, neither by any International country or the United Nations. Dan.s.Jones ( talk) 15:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Dan.s.Jones is partially correct, Tel Aviv is the unofficial capital of Israel whereas Jerusalem is stated by Israel as it's official Capital, perhaps Tel Aviv can be included as the unofficial capital on this page if it is not already somewhere on here. Silvertrail ( talk) 23:23, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I can't edit, although it may be interesting to note under the literature section that Israelis publish more material per capita than any other country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junglefingers ( talk • contribs) 03:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Here is one: http://www.biblicalzionist.com/facts.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Junglefingers ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
The article says "In its Basic Laws Israel defines itself as a Jewish and Democratic State". The full text of the Basic Laws are at http://main.knesset.gov.il/Activity/Legislation/Pages/BasicLaws.aspx and I don't see any "Israel is a Jewish state" there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.78.54 ( talk) 17:49, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Isn't Israel a country?
Lebanon and Turkey are "parliamentary democracies" too. Why is only Israel described as such in the article's opening sentence? This has a strong smell of propaganda...
Tomás Rosa Bueno ( talk) 16:32, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Shall we include more information regarding the specific education in Israel, such as the anti-Palestinian sentiment being taught to young Israeli minds? According to the Israeli language and education professor Nurit Peled-Elhanan, young Israeli students are receiving a biased viewpoint on the subject of the Palestinians, it may be important to note this in this article's Education section, as it deals with Education in Israel.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/book-review-how-israeli-school-textbooks-teach-kids-hate/11571 Silvertrail ( talk) 18:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
It is strange how this article devotes a single paragraph to 1100 years of the history of the region. — goethean 17:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Keep hearing and reading that the name Israel is simply a combination of three godnames: Isis, Ra, El. Same as "amen" in prayer is taken from the Egyptian god Amun or Amen. Would be nice if this could be added to the article because right now the word "Isral" isn't properly explained in the Etymology section at all. Some guy was "given" the name from god - yeah sure. Wikipedia should do better in an "etymology" section. 178.191.32.99 ( talk) 04:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
The languages should appear like this:
{{Main|Arabic language|Hebrew language}}
Actually, no, it shouldn't as there is 49% of the population that speaks Hebrew, and 18% who speaks Arabic. Changing the order would be silly thing to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achiron ( talk • contribs) 07:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
That's al, it need to be updated in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achiron ( talk • contribs) 07:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
that should be changed because currently this page is biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.231.141 ( talk) 05:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Around the 28th second of the Israeli anthem, there are some offensive words that appear over the black screen. This should be changed asap. Wormpy ( talk) 02:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
It's been fixed. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 02:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Well you have a major mistake, you are writing that about 20% of the population in israel arab arab.(70% jews). you are comparing apples to oranges. jew is a religion. arab is a decent. most of the jews in israel are of arab decent. you should be writing 20% moslims, instead of arab. 76.91.245.107 ( talk) 20:48, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
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Another major mistake: at another section it says and I quote "Since 1964 Arab countries, concerned over Israeli plans to divert waters of the Jordan River over into the coastal plain,[99] had been trying to divert the headwaters to deprive Israel of water resources, provoking tensions between Israel on the one hand, and Syria and Lebanon on the other." so far - correct. Now it goes on: " On the other hand, water resources were confiscated for the benefit of the Israeli settlements in the Ghor." --- That't a major mistake since there were no Israeli settlements in the Ghor in 1964, as the Jordan Valley (the Ghor in Arabic), together with the rest of the west bank, was captured only in 1967. This seems to be an attempt to justify pre-67 aggression against Israel by its Arab neighbors, by a mix of chronology.
Now it goes on: "Palestinian irrigation pumps on the Jordan River were destroyed or confiscated after the 1967 war and Palestinians are not allowed to use water from the Jordan River system. Furthermore, the authorities did not allow any new irrigation wells to be drilled by Palestinian farmers, while it provided fresh water and allowed drilling wells for irrigation purposes at the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[100] Arab nationalists led by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser refused to recognize Israel, and called for its destruction.[12][101][102] By 1966, Israeli-Arab relations had deteriorated to the point of actual battles taking place between Israeli and Arab forces.[103]"
As evident in this bit, this mix of chronology goes on. it should have been something like: "Arab nationalists led by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser refused to recognize Israel, and called for its destruction.[12][101][102] By 1966, Israeli-Arab relations had deteriorated to the point of actual battles taking place between Israeli and Arab forces.[103]" And ONLY THEN "after the 1967 war, Palestinian irrigation pumps on the Jordan River were destroyed or confiscated and Palestinians are not allowed to use water from the Jordan River system. Furthermore, the authorities did not allow any new irrigation wells to be drilled by Palestinian farmers, while it provided fresh water and allowed drilling wells for irrigation purposes at the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[100]" Since this is the later part, chronologically speaking.. But it is still way one sided. To explain what happened right after 67' is quite easy - all residents were required to connect to the national water grid and pay for their water. Water in Israel are considered property of Mekorot, or the national grid. So this bit is correct, only presented in a one-sided fashion, since Palestinians could use as much water as they liked, provided they payed for the water. The settlers pay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.139.161 ( talk) 22:51, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Read the following bit: "Since 1964 Arab countries, concerned over Israeli plans to divert waters of the Jordan River over into the coastal plain,[99] had been trying to divert the headwaters to deprive Israel of water resources, provoking tensions between Israel on the one hand, and Syria and Lebanon on the other. On the other hand, water resources were confiscated for the benefit of the Israeli settlements in the Ghor. Palestinian irrigation pumps on the Jordan River were destroyed or confiscated after the 1967 war and Palestinians are not allowed to use water from the Jordan River system. Furthermore, the authorities did not allow any new irrigation wells to be drilled by Palestinian farmers, while it provided fresh water and allowed drilling wells for irrigation purposes at the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.[100] Arab nationalists led by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser refused to recognize Israel, and called for its destruction.[12][101][102] By 1966, Israeli-Arab relations had deteriorated to the point of actual battles taking place between Israeli and Arab forces.[103]"
So, what's wrong with this part?.. obviously, the phrase "On the other hand, water resources were confiscated for the benefit of the Israeli settlements in the Ghor" is a recent addition which is not chronologically in its proper place, as the Ghor (Jordan Valley) was only taken in 67'. There were no "Israeli settlements in the Ghor" in 1964.
The next phrase is one sided and misleading as well. But you could say it is marginally correct, since water in Israel are scarce and considered property of the national water company, they must be purchased. So yes, the Jordan is channeled into a pipe and large amounts of water are desalinated. This is why the residents were not allowed to take water from the Jordan or drill wells for private use. Water which are drilled dry out the equifer. They were requested to pay for the water just like anyone else in Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.139.161 ( talk) 23:07, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, after this paragraph:
"Palestinians prevented from using water from the Jordan River system or drilling new irrigation wells, Israel provided fresh water and allowed wells for irrigation at the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip." i would like to add the following reference: [1]
Barah1964 ( talk) 16:23, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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I wish to add more to the "Independence and first years" section. The inclusion of this extra information provides background information to the formation of the Askenazi and Mizrahi ethnic identities. It also nuances the issue of immigration and stops are immigrants coming to Israel during the late 1940's and early 1950's from looking the same. Below are the potential added sections. They are placed between two examples of already existing place to provide context.
Israel was admitted as a member of the United Nations by majority vote on 11 May 1949.[85] In the early years of the state, the Labor Zionist movement led by Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion dominated Israeli politics.[86][87] These years were marked by an influx of Holocaust survivors and Jews from Arab lands, many of whom faced persecution and expulsion from their original countries.[88] Consequently, the population of Israel rose from 800,000 to two million between 1948 and 1958
Immigration to Israel during the late 1940's and early 1950's was aided by the Israeli Immigration Department and the non-government sponsored Organization for Illegal Immigration, called Mossad le-aliyah bet. Both groups facilitated regular immigration logistics like arranging transportation, but the latter also engaged in clandestine operations in countries, particularly in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, where the lives of Jews were believed to be in danger and exit from those places was difficult. The Organization for Illegal Immigration continued to take part in immigration efforts until its disbanding in 1953. [2]
During this period, food, clothes and furniture had to be rationed in what became known as the Austerity Period. Between 1948–1970, approximately 1,151,029 Jewish refugees relocated to Israel.[90] Some arrived as refugees with no possessions and were housed in temporary camps known as ma'abarot; by 1952, over 200,000 immigrants were living in these tent cities.
The immigrants came to Israel for differing reasons. Some believed in the Zionist ideology, while others moved to escape persecution. There were others that did it for the promise of a better life in Israel and a sizable number that were expelled from their homelands, like Iraq. [3] The refugees were often treated differently according to where they were from. Jews of European descent were considered to critical to the strengthening and peopling of Israel, so they were generally allowed to enter Israel first and thus were given abandoned Arab houses to live in. On the other hand, Jews from Middle Eastern and North African countries were viewed by many Ashkenazi Jews as lazy, poor, culturally and religiously backward, and a threat to established communal life in Israel and remained in transit camps for longer periods of time. [4] During the 1950's, the standard of living gap between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi Jews widened so much that tensions developed between the two groups. This tension first moved to hostility during the Wadi Salib Uprising in 1959; other instances of domestic turmoil would occur over the following decades. [5]
Dmb504 ( talk) 03:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
pffft. Jewish is a religion, not an ethnic group. i can become Jewish if i put in some effort, but i can't change my ethnicity. please stop buying into wishful nonsense, wikipedia, you're better than that.· Lygophile has spoken 03:25, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Ethnicity is a flexible concept, and Jews fit the definition as do sub-groups such as Sephardi Jews or Ethiopian Jews. The assumption that religion and ethnicity are separate is specific to Christian culture where that is generally the case but it is perfectly possible for religion and ethnicity to be aligned as in Coptic Christians or Celts. The Jew/ Arab distinction in statistics dates back to the British mandate when everyone was regarded as Palestinian. Telaviv1 ( talk) 20:07, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, so maybe Israel runs a lousy census. But what's the suggestion with regard to the article? Formerip ( talk) 21:47, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Some Moslems believe there should be an Islamic state, it is not for you or me to decide on that issue. There is an Armenian Church, a Bulgarian church, an Ethiopian church and a Greek Orthodox church. Most Arab states define themselves as Islamic in their constitutions although some, such as Egypt, have a sizeable Christian minority. Its normal in the Middle East for religion and nationalism to coincide and Israel fits the regional pattern. I would shift all the ethnicity data out of the lede and into the relevant section and simply say that ethnic groups are as defined by the Israeli statistics office. I forgot the Anglican church! Heirs to the throne only marry Anglicans, so its out of bounds for Jews and Moslems. Telaviv1 ( talk) 11:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The statistics office differentiates people by their country of origin and their parents country of origin. In general one can provide thgose figures, however growing inter-marriage means that a large percentage of Israelis are both/neither Ashkenazi and Sephardi. Acutally I think it would be a good idea to do this, though it requires a bit more research. They have figures in Demographics of Israel but I think they're suspect: too neat a distinction between ashkenazi and spehardis. http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_25&CYear=2010 http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/shnatone_new.htm?CYear=2010&Vol=61&CSubject=2 for the general list. Telaviv1 ( talk) 10:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
there's another issue: Most French Jews are sephardi and many US Jews are, but the figures will imply they are Ashkenazi. Jews form Bulgaria,Turkey and Kazakhstan are hard to place and Indian and Ethiopians don't fit in the Ashkenazi -Sepahrdi model. Telaviv1 ( talk) 10:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
The problem is also that Israel counts the settler population in the occupied territories as "Israel", so the numbers are inaccurate as the numbers are not only for Israel. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 20:55, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Why make things so complicated? Israel Central Bureau of Statistics divides ethnically its population in three groups: Jewish, Arab and others. What sub-ethnic Ashkenazi/Mizrahi groups have to do with this? And yes, Jews are an ethnic group rather than a religious one (even the Bible talks about a "people"). There are many atheistic Jews (orthodox Jews don't deny that). And the settler population is already clarified in "Demographics" section and the infobox. Quote: Includes all permanent residents in Israel, the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. Also includes Israeli citizens living in the West Bank. Excludes non-Israeli population in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.-- IranitGreenberg ( talk) 16:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Ethnicity is genetic? Since when? Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 22:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
The Israel Central Bureau of Statistics doesn't even use the term "ethnicity", only "nationality" instead (different term from "citizenship" in Israel), and "religion". The latest census, from April 14th, says this on their website, translation from Hebrew: "The Jewish population is 75.3%, the Arab population is 20.7%, and the "others" - non-Arab Christians, people of other religions and people not classified by religion, are 4.0%." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuvn86 ( talk • contribs) 23:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
These two sets of statistics are not inconsistent. 3% of the population may have abandonned religon altogether. Being Jewish dependa on the context in which the term is used. Trahelliven ( talk) 00:28, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Since when are ethnicity and religion mutually exclusive? See ethnic religion and ethnoreligious group. I wonder if Sikhs experience denial as an ethnicity like we do, or is this exclusive to Jews? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.99.78.149 ( talk) 21:24, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Most Jews are genetically related because they are Israelites. Those are ethnic Jews. Ethnic Jews are Jews such as Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi. Jews that are not ethnic are groups that converted to Judaism such as [[Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews), Indian Jews, and Black Hebrew Israelites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.219.201.131 ( talk) 06:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
May i suggest adding Foreign relations of Israel to the "See Also" section? It's not particularly good article but it seems more balanced than my original thought of separate 'Israel-[insert country]' articles. Maybe it would make more sense to skip the blurbs and just Index country specific articles. I prefer this idea. The reason I say this is because the blurbs on the 'Foreign relations of Israel' cherry pick parts of the the main pages in a biased way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.101.38 ( talk) 19:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I wished to add a few lines to the Article, but I found it protected... Can some friend Editor add these lines to the Section Etymology ... last para:
Many believe that the making of Israel is in accord with the prophecies contained in old Scriptures. To quote two only: “Thus saith thy Lord: Behold I will take the whole house of Israel from among the nations, whither they went ; and I will gather them from all those around them, and bring them to the land of Israel, and make them a nation in my land even on the mountains of Israel.”(Ezekiel 37:21-24) [1] In very similar words the prophecy occurs in the Quran 17:105 “…and when the time of the Promise of the Later Days comes, We shall bring you together out of the various peoples.” (Quran 17:105) [2] -- ڈاکٹر محمد علی ( talk) 09:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
What does it mean, Neighboring Arab states invaded the next day in support of the Palestinian Arabs? Any academic reference for such statement? (If not, I propose to change it to ..invaded the new country on the next day.) Franp9am ( talk) 20:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't agree with this Dailycare's edit. In my opinion, this is far from a neutral desctiption. First, almost all invasions have some "formal invitation", for example, when the Russions invaded Czechoslovakia (my country) in 1968, there was also an "invitation" from some local communists, but nobody relativizes the word invasion on the corresponding wiki article. The invitation of the Arab armies should be mentioned somewhere in the article about the 1948 war, but this doesn't mean that the introduction to "israel" should contain this weasel words "entered", unless you provide a clear reference that this is how most historians view it. (Definitely, it should not be based on authors such as Quigley!) Franp9am ( talk) 20:23, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
The law of compulsory education has been amended recently to the age of 16, but I'm afraid I'm neither able to edit this article nor find any internet sources... I'm not precisely internet-savvy, I'm afraid! However I was told by social services that if I desire I have the right to drop out of High School at the age of 16. I was surprised initially when one of my parents told me this, but apparently it's a very recent thing, similar to how it's now a citizen is allowed to gain a driver's license when they're 16 and three quarters, down from 17, and when I asked a social service person (personnel? employee?), they indeed confirmed it. If you know where to look, can you find a source? I was unable to find anything in English. I could scan a Hebrew newspaper though? 109.65.64.150 ( talk) 20:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I know this has been the subject of some dispute in the past (where did that discussion go?), but wouldn't it be more NPOV to state Jerusalem as proclaimed capital on both this page and the page for the State of Palestine? No country in the world (apart from the US) officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Isreal and the reference is the CIA world fact book, which is reputable, but arguably biased in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.181.207 ( talk) 19:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
It would not be beneficial to state Tel-Aviv as Israel's capital as Israel exercises de facto control over all of Jerusalem. The final status of Jerusalem is subject to final negotiation between Israel and the Palestinian authority. To state that Tel-Aviv is Israel's fallcy would therefore be a fallacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkangelus333 ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
This question is raised with some regularity, and the consensus is that the footnote disclaimer in the infobox is sufficient. Please read the Talk page archives instead of re-litigating this matter. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 21:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Without seeing the other country article in question, I can't just agree to the compromise. I understand your reasoning here and it may be a sound compromise, but I don't want to run into a case where we are talking about a small country and therefore possibly a rarely visited article that is not being properly maintained. I also don't want to get caught into special cases, like South Africa, with its three official capitals, or Nauru, which doesn't have any official capital but can be described as having a de facto one as it has a city with the functions of a capital, like the seat of legislature. Tel Aviv does not serve as a de facto capital and does not execute the legal functions of a capital. Jerusalem does. Nauru also has this in absence of anything else, Israel is not that case. -- OuroborosCobra ( talk) 19:11, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
The "unique case" of Israel justifies our footnote in the infobox. It in no way justifies jumping the extra step of listing something that is not functionally the Israeli capital in any sense of the word at all. A cultural center does not a capital make. -- OuroborosCobra ( talk) 04:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
There is a precedent for a footnote: Myanmar's official capital is given in the infobox as Naypyidaw, with a footnote stating "Some governments recognise Yangon (Rangoon) as the national capital." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Touringtest ( talk • contribs) 13:25, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Where is it? Regardless of your political affiliation, you must admit that Israel is very controversial for many many reasons, there should be a controversy section.
Steve348 ( talk) 18:16, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi guys, in light of the result of the ArbCom mandated RFC, there seems to be a need to revise the infobox since it now indicates Jerusalem as the capital, with a link to the footnote. Since stating even that Jerusalem is the capital, although unrecognized, has been rejected in the RFC the wording of the infobox seems out of date. Obvious solutions would be to leave "Capital" blank, or amend to "Seat of Government" (after the BBC), which apparently would require amending the Infobox template, too. Comments? -- Dailycare ( talk) 18:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't particularly care how this is resolved, but just want to point out that no template change would be required to change the wording from Capital to SoG. All that needs to be done is add "| capital_type=[[Seat of Government]]
" to the existing parameters.
Fat&Happy (
talk) 03:03, 18 July 2013 (UTC) ETA: Note the current template is an either/or. In order to have both a Capital and a SoG listed – as might be desirable for the Netherlands – a small template change would be needed.
Fat&Happy (
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03:09, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
The other problem with the infobox is it identifies Jerusalem as the largest city in Israel. Thats only true if you include portions of the city that arent in Israel. Otherwise Tel Aviv is larger than Jerusalem. I propose removing the listing of Jerusalem as the largest city, as it certainly is not NPOV to claim for Israel territory and population that the overwhelming majority of scholars and other states say is not part of Israel. nableezy - 16:32, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Im going to go ahead and set capital_type to seat of government. nableezy - 18:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel whether you like it or not, in reality, it isn't even open for debate, and it shouldn't be open for debate on a site which brings information to many people around the world! It would simply mislead them with lies. אשכנזישעיידן ( talk) 10:27, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
My name is Harriet and I'm writing from the BBC World Service. The University of Oxford has released the findings of its research into topics on Wikipedia that spark the biggest 'edit wars', and top of the list is Israel.
I was wondering whether we might be able to speak to one of the main editors of the Israel page about how this is managed, do you frequently enter edit wars, how do you resolve them?
I'd be very grateful if you would get in touch here!
Thanks
Harriet — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harriet114 ( talk • contribs) 14:41, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
I saw modifications to the infobox were made after a brief discussion above, and I must say that, when compared to the State of Palestine article, they don't make sense. The State of Palestine article has a Capital field [albeit with the tag "(proclaimed)"], but this article doesn't? The State of Palestine has "Jerusalem (proclaimed)" as its largest city (with no clarification about what that means), but here it mentions that this is if East Jerusalem is excluded?
Particularly on the capital point, it makes no sense to mention a capital for the State of Palestine and none here. I stand behind the suggestion I made above: include a Capital field here that says "Jerusalem (proclaimed)" and a Seat of government field that says "Jerusalem" [unqualified]. Or you can somehow combine that into one field, as is done at State of Palestine. The Jerusalem RfC does not provide grounds to expunge the wordcapital from the infobox. -- tariqabjotu 20:50, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Tariq, I would just remove largest city from the State of Palestine article. It doesnt belong there, and actually most things involving territory dont belong there either. I dont think we can have both a capital and a seat of government field, at least I dont see how from looking at the infobox documentation, so I think its either capital = Jerusalem (proclaimed) or seat of government = Jerusalem (unqualified), but not both. As far as a capital in that articles infobox, the proclamation is al-Quds, and though Ive seen various statement saying oh we mean EJ, I havent seen anything official. So the proclaimed capital there, as it is here, is Jerusalem. I have no problem having both say capital = Jerusalem (proclaimed), and if there is a technical ability to also include seat of government here I wouldnt oppose it (though I would favor having just seat of government unqualified). nableezy - 20:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
This is not meant to be offensive, but Jerusalem *IS* the capital of Israel. "Proclaimed" is nothing more than an attempt to delegitimize the absolute fact that Jerusalem is the capital. Its possible someone might say that "consensus is needed to make changes". Well, consensus is not needed to say the earth is round. Its a fact that the earth is round.
Someone needs to remove "proclaimed" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.179.78.146 ( talk) 19:53, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I think this map is a much more proper map to use in the article (as seen in the Hebrew version) instead of the current one. I'm not trying to be politically correct here but the West Bank, which was conquered in a defensive war and is considered a part of Israel by the U.S. and Israel itself, is clearly distinguished and is marked in pale green. It would make sense to use it because even though the international community doesn't consider the disputed area a part of Israel, it's under Israel's control. Any opinions? Thanks, Shalom11111 ( talk) 22:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I removed the following refs from the biblio since they had harv errors for not being used in the article:
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British forces invading from Egypt defeated the Ottoman forces in the Levant with the help of Arab allies they betrayed.
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On the right part of the page near the top, there is an incorrect name for Israel. 71.93.199.253 ( talk) 02:41, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Although I do support the idea of Jerusalem being the capital of Israel, would it not be appropriate to also mention Tel Aviv as the other capital in the infobox as it is disputed? 23haveblue ( talk) 18:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Yambarah the USA only recognizes a De Facto annexation of East Jerusalem. As I understand The Supreme Court of Israel only recognizes a De Facto annexation of East Jerusalem. A renamed West Jerusalem now known as Jerusalem may be the De Jure capital of Israel. Israel may have extended some De Facto control that it had over East Jerusalem to the Renamed West Jerusalem. However it's not clear if anybody recognizes the De jure annexation of East Jerusalem including Israel. 198.45.184.25 ( talk) 01:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)