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I added warning templates. This article needs serious rework in order to meet Wikipedia standarts like NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yarovit ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm working with The Pulitzer Center, a non-profit journalism agency geared towards providing audience to underrepresented news stories. I'd like to link this page to a related articles on the Pulitzer site; http://www.pulitzercenter.org/showproject.cfm?id=30 concerning The MILF peace process. Please let me know if I can post these links. Many thanks in advance. Blendus 01:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Most of the material is from the Library of Congress as cited at the bottom. What is not accurate? -- Jondel 01:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
What are the points/issues of contention?-- Jondel 01:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
The article seems a bit pro-muslim. There is no discussion of islamic terrorism.
Please be informed Doing any party which Islam forbids whether to imitate kuffar or to get reward e.g. to celebrate the Hijrah or birthday of the Prophet, the new year Christian or Muslim calendar or night of Isra and Mi’raj or shabbe-baraat or to celebrate on the 27th of Ramadhaan (as opposed to seeking the night of Al-Qadr) hence we have the last 10 nights, because people start to celebrate this night is SHIRK. Hence it is haram to do such things otherwise you will be a MUSHRIK. Also, not all Muslims are terrorists. Please don't say things like that because we are peace loving and Allah fearing people. If in any case, We will fight only for ALLAH and nothing else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ac0124 ( talk • contribs) 06:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
If this article needs this section, I will try to work on this.-- Jondel 04:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
re- non POV language:
You refer to "the Prophet Muhammad". This assumes Muhammad's Prophethood is an established fact. Muhammad apparently claimed he was a Prophet, and millions of Muslims apparently believe he was. But using language which presupposes this claim to be proven is not appropriate to the NPOV policy of Wikipedia. It's like an article on Christianity referring casually to "Christ the Risen Lord". Christians may believe he is. But others dispute this.
You also refer to "preachers and holy men". "Preacher" is an acceptable NPOV word. "Holy men" is not acceptable. It assumes their holiness is proven. They may have believed they were holy. But their holiness is not proven. This is POV language.
"Idolaters" and "heathen" are also emotively charged Muslim POV words to describe the non-Muslims originally living in the Philippines. How would these non-Muslim Philippines have chosen to describe themselves?
When you say, "and by war waged against heathen states", could you expand? Whose army attacked the "heathen states"? Who ordered the attack? Who commanded? Was this an official jihad? Also, what were the names of these heathen states? Who ruled them? What was the outcome of the war or wars? Presumably somebody won and somebody else lost. Who?
When you say, "Islam gives the Philippines Muslim their life meaning and direction", you imply that the non-Muslim and pre-Muslim Philippine people found life meaningless and directionless. Do you have any evidence of widespread existential angst among them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.15.141.50 ( talk) 04:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
As a casual passerby, I have to say most of the criticisms of this article seem a bit unjustified. The allegation is that the article is biased, pro-Muslim, etc.
It didn't strike me that way. Rather, it seems the critics are upset the article isn't sufficiently anti-Muslim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.60.165 ( talk) 03:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Added National Commission on Muslim Filipinos to the see also section. Hope that's all right... -- Breuns ( talk) 15:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed Muslim Filipino redirects to this page. Would it not be better suited to redirect it to Moro people since that title would refer to the people, not the religion? -- Destron Commander ( talk) 15:28, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
The Islam is not the oldest thing in the Philippines. It had much influencce from Buddhist ans hindu-people long before Mohammed even was born. In the Philippines is not much left from this period because it is destroyed bij muslims and later the Spanish also the last remains. The taking over by muslims was not done in a very friendly way, the fact that hardly anything is left to be found is to blame by the Islam and later the Spanish. It were muslims from malaysia that stole Sabah from their fellow Sultan of Sulu. Muslims in the Philippines were not very friendly. Greetings Multidifficulti (married with a pinay) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Multidifficulti ( talk • contribs) 12:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Re items asserted to be factual, please read WP:V. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
The Moro group was for those in Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago, I think there should be an infobox and a mosaic for all Filipino Muslims in general. Not even only the Moro groups of the south, but even people like Rajah Sulaiman III, Lapu-Lapu, and even recent converts to Islam like Robin Padilla and Alma Moreno. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 21:33, 27 July 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
A discussion is taking place here which concerns some content of this article. Interested editors are invited to join the discussion. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Wheres proof that Magat Salamat was a muslim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheaxHendible ( talk • contribs) 07:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
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The fact that "6% of Filipinos are Muslims" is mentioned three times in the intro. Please, fix, this is outrageous.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 03:15, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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In "THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE FILIPINO PEOPLE" by CESAR ADIB MAJUL he proposes that there are essentially six phases when discussing about the History of Islam in the Philippines.
Included in his paper is a recommendation of different events and snapshots of history with historical, religious, and cultural importance to the Muslim community in Mindanao. His list is not intended to be comprehensive but can provide a lot of starting points for expanding this page.
I would also propose having a section dedicated to the modern influence and relevance of Islam in the Philippines as well as it's controversies (written in NPOV of course)
Disclaimer: I am not a Muslim and I am not very knowledgable in its history and culture hence my apprehensiveness at making any changes to this article at the moment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabaybayin ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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Per WP:LEAD, "[t]he lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents" Here I've begun a WP:BOLD reorganization/rewrite of the lead section, merging the first and third paragraph, which contained a historical overview, into a single lead paragraph. The second paragraph contains details that previously separated this historical info into two blocks that (IMO) mostly belong in the Demographics section of the article body, but they need a rewrite and a rethink of the sources cited. I'll continue with bold edits to do that, but I'll do it as a separate step. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
As a second step, I've separated the final two sentences of the redone initial paragraph into a new second paragraph. These sentences summarize the impact of the Spanish conquest on Islam in the Philippines. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
As a third step, I've redone the third paragraph of the lead into two paragraphs, the third paragraph has big changes in presentation of the 5% vs. 11% disagreement, but no intended changes in the assertions there. The fourth paragraph contains the content following that, simply requoted as a separate paragraph.
In that third paragraph, I've gotten rid of the cite of the 2013 IRF report and replaced it with a cite of the 2020 report, and I've rewritten the presentation of info on the disagreement re the size of the Muslim population; the presentation of that that disagreement is what got me started on this. I'm not a very good wordsmith and, though I think that what I have done is an improvement, I'm sure that it can be improved further. In particular, there's info in the lead which does not summarize info in the body, and the meat of that info probably ought to be moved to the the body -- probabnly into the very short section there headed Demographics.
If I've left something out here which ought to be retained or otherwise screwed something up, please fix whatever I've gotten wrong. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
I have provided source
Feel free to improve the table's layout. Maybe add some gradient colours from largest to smallest similar to Islam by country wiki page. OghuzDynasty ( talk) 09:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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I added warning templates. This article needs serious rework in order to meet Wikipedia standarts like NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yarovit ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm working with The Pulitzer Center, a non-profit journalism agency geared towards providing audience to underrepresented news stories. I'd like to link this page to a related articles on the Pulitzer site; http://www.pulitzercenter.org/showproject.cfm?id=30 concerning The MILF peace process. Please let me know if I can post these links. Many thanks in advance. Blendus 01:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Most of the material is from the Library of Congress as cited at the bottom. What is not accurate? -- Jondel 01:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
What are the points/issues of contention?-- Jondel 01:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
The article seems a bit pro-muslim. There is no discussion of islamic terrorism.
Please be informed Doing any party which Islam forbids whether to imitate kuffar or to get reward e.g. to celebrate the Hijrah or birthday of the Prophet, the new year Christian or Muslim calendar or night of Isra and Mi’raj or shabbe-baraat or to celebrate on the 27th of Ramadhaan (as opposed to seeking the night of Al-Qadr) hence we have the last 10 nights, because people start to celebrate this night is SHIRK. Hence it is haram to do such things otherwise you will be a MUSHRIK. Also, not all Muslims are terrorists. Please don't say things like that because we are peace loving and Allah fearing people. If in any case, We will fight only for ALLAH and nothing else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ac0124 ( talk • contribs) 06:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
If this article needs this section, I will try to work on this.-- Jondel 04:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
re- non POV language:
You refer to "the Prophet Muhammad". This assumes Muhammad's Prophethood is an established fact. Muhammad apparently claimed he was a Prophet, and millions of Muslims apparently believe he was. But using language which presupposes this claim to be proven is not appropriate to the NPOV policy of Wikipedia. It's like an article on Christianity referring casually to "Christ the Risen Lord". Christians may believe he is. But others dispute this.
You also refer to "preachers and holy men". "Preacher" is an acceptable NPOV word. "Holy men" is not acceptable. It assumes their holiness is proven. They may have believed they were holy. But their holiness is not proven. This is POV language.
"Idolaters" and "heathen" are also emotively charged Muslim POV words to describe the non-Muslims originally living in the Philippines. How would these non-Muslim Philippines have chosen to describe themselves?
When you say, "and by war waged against heathen states", could you expand? Whose army attacked the "heathen states"? Who ordered the attack? Who commanded? Was this an official jihad? Also, what were the names of these heathen states? Who ruled them? What was the outcome of the war or wars? Presumably somebody won and somebody else lost. Who?
When you say, "Islam gives the Philippines Muslim their life meaning and direction", you imply that the non-Muslim and pre-Muslim Philippine people found life meaningless and directionless. Do you have any evidence of widespread existential angst among them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.15.141.50 ( talk) 04:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
As a casual passerby, I have to say most of the criticisms of this article seem a bit unjustified. The allegation is that the article is biased, pro-Muslim, etc.
It didn't strike me that way. Rather, it seems the critics are upset the article isn't sufficiently anti-Muslim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.60.165 ( talk) 03:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Added National Commission on Muslim Filipinos to the see also section. Hope that's all right... -- Breuns ( talk) 15:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed Muslim Filipino redirects to this page. Would it not be better suited to redirect it to Moro people since that title would refer to the people, not the religion? -- Destron Commander ( talk) 15:28, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
The Islam is not the oldest thing in the Philippines. It had much influencce from Buddhist ans hindu-people long before Mohammed even was born. In the Philippines is not much left from this period because it is destroyed bij muslims and later the Spanish also the last remains. The taking over by muslims was not done in a very friendly way, the fact that hardly anything is left to be found is to blame by the Islam and later the Spanish. It were muslims from malaysia that stole Sabah from their fellow Sultan of Sulu. Muslims in the Philippines were not very friendly. Greetings Multidifficulti (married with a pinay) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Multidifficulti ( talk • contribs) 12:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Re items asserted to be factual, please read WP:V. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
The Moro group was for those in Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago, I think there should be an infobox and a mosaic for all Filipino Muslims in general. Not even only the Moro groups of the south, but even people like Rajah Sulaiman III, Lapu-Lapu, and even recent converts to Islam like Robin Padilla and Alma Moreno. PacificWarrior101 ( talk) 21:33, 27 July 2013 (UTC)PacificWarrior101
A discussion is taking place here which concerns some content of this article. Interested editors are invited to join the discussion. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Wheres proof that Magat Salamat was a muslim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheaxHendible ( talk • contribs) 07:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
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The fact that "6% of Filipinos are Muslims" is mentioned three times in the intro. Please, fix, this is outrageous.-- Adûnâi ( talk) 03:15, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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Perhaps more experienced editors can help out with this?
In "THE ROLE OF ISLAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE FILIPINO PEOPLE" by CESAR ADIB MAJUL he proposes that there are essentially six phases when discussing about the History of Islam in the Philippines.
Included in his paper is a recommendation of different events and snapshots of history with historical, religious, and cultural importance to the Muslim community in Mindanao. His list is not intended to be comprehensive but can provide a lot of starting points for expanding this page.
I would also propose having a section dedicated to the modern influence and relevance of Islam in the Philippines as well as it's controversies (written in NPOV of course)
Disclaimer: I am not a Muslim and I am not very knowledgable in its history and culture hence my apprehensiveness at making any changes to this article at the moment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabaybayin ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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Per WP:LEAD, "[t]he lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents" Here I've begun a WP:BOLD reorganization/rewrite of the lead section, merging the first and third paragraph, which contained a historical overview, into a single lead paragraph. The second paragraph contains details that previously separated this historical info into two blocks that (IMO) mostly belong in the Demographics section of the article body, but they need a rewrite and a rethink of the sources cited. I'll continue with bold edits to do that, but I'll do it as a separate step. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
As a second step, I've separated the final two sentences of the redone initial paragraph into a new second paragraph. These sentences summarize the impact of the Spanish conquest on Islam in the Philippines. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:39, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
As a third step, I've redone the third paragraph of the lead into two paragraphs, the third paragraph has big changes in presentation of the 5% vs. 11% disagreement, but no intended changes in the assertions there. The fourth paragraph contains the content following that, simply requoted as a separate paragraph.
In that third paragraph, I've gotten rid of the cite of the 2013 IRF report and replaced it with a cite of the 2020 report, and I've rewritten the presentation of info on the disagreement re the size of the Muslim population; the presentation of that that disagreement is what got me started on this. I'm not a very good wordsmith and, though I think that what I have done is an improvement, I'm sure that it can be improved further. In particular, there's info in the lead which does not summarize info in the body, and the meat of that info probably ought to be moved to the the body -- probabnly into the very short section there headed Demographics.
If I've left something out here which ought to be retained or otherwise screwed something up, please fix whatever I've gotten wrong. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
I have provided source
Feel free to improve the table's layout. Maybe add some gradient colours from largest to smallest similar to Islam by country wiki page. OghuzDynasty ( talk) 09:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)