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It was not a siege (包囲) but a war (石山合戦). The siege lasted just 5 years from 1576 to 1580. Nobunaga could send his armies to siege the monastery only after clean-up of Echizen province.-- 133.41.4.47 18:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)-- Alex Kov 10:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Bless you!-- Alex Kov 10:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
So, the Siege of Honganji started from 1576 [3], while the War with Honganji started in 1570. You have to decide yourself what this article is about (war or siege) and correct its contents correspondingly. Bless you!-- Alex Kov 06:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I have begun looking at my sources again, and attempting to revise the article. But none of my sources indicate that the siege only began in 1576. Look at what I have already written. After the original retreat in 1570, elements of Nobunaga's army remained camped out outside the fortress. They worked with the Mori clan fleet to attempt to blockade the fortress, they watched the movements of the Ikki in order to warn Nobunaga of any necessary changes to his strategy, and they sought any opportunity to launch an assault on the fortress.
By 1575, even before you claim the siege began, Kosa (Kennyo) was facing shortages of food and supplies. A siege does not have to involve active direct assaults - more often than not in feudal Japanese sieges, the attackers simply surrounded the castle and blockaded it - this was going on at the Hongan-ji since 1570. A number of my sources list this as being Japan's longest siege, lasting eleven years; if you insist that that is not the case, then I do not know how to reconcile that with my own sources.
If you would like to provide me with your Japanese sources, if they are available, I would be happy to take a look at them. If my Japanese language skills were better, I could rely more heavily on those sources. But I encourage you not to discount English-language scholarship entirely. Japanese scholars, just like Western scholars, are secondary sources, and everyone jumps to conclusions, misinterprets evidence, or neglects certain sources. Turnbull may be a bit shaky, but I trust my other sources implicitly, and I'm afraid I cannot simply throw out what they say in favor of your assurances otherwise. Thank you. LordAmeth 15:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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It was not a siege (包囲) but a war (石山合戦). The siege lasted just 5 years from 1576 to 1580. Nobunaga could send his armies to siege the monastery only after clean-up of Echizen province.-- 133.41.4.47 18:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)-- Alex Kov 10:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Bless you!-- Alex Kov 10:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
So, the Siege of Honganji started from 1576 [3], while the War with Honganji started in 1570. You have to decide yourself what this article is about (war or siege) and correct its contents correspondingly. Bless you!-- Alex Kov 06:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I have begun looking at my sources again, and attempting to revise the article. But none of my sources indicate that the siege only began in 1576. Look at what I have already written. After the original retreat in 1570, elements of Nobunaga's army remained camped out outside the fortress. They worked with the Mori clan fleet to attempt to blockade the fortress, they watched the movements of the Ikki in order to warn Nobunaga of any necessary changes to his strategy, and they sought any opportunity to launch an assault on the fortress.
By 1575, even before you claim the siege began, Kosa (Kennyo) was facing shortages of food and supplies. A siege does not have to involve active direct assaults - more often than not in feudal Japanese sieges, the attackers simply surrounded the castle and blockaded it - this was going on at the Hongan-ji since 1570. A number of my sources list this as being Japan's longest siege, lasting eleven years; if you insist that that is not the case, then I do not know how to reconcile that with my own sources.
If you would like to provide me with your Japanese sources, if they are available, I would be happy to take a look at them. If my Japanese language skills were better, I could rely more heavily on those sources. But I encourage you not to discount English-language scholarship entirely. Japanese scholars, just like Western scholars, are secondary sources, and everyone jumps to conclusions, misinterprets evidence, or neglects certain sources. Turnbull may be a bit shaky, but I trust my other sources implicitly, and I'm afraid I cannot simply throw out what they say in favor of your assurances otherwise. Thank you. LordAmeth 15:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)