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It's riddled with bias, negative comments, allegations and somewhat bigoted. The introduction is largely one-sided. Not enough citations. No mention of laws regarding international marriage brokerage in other countries. The history section is shockingly underdeveloped. For example: In 1619, when the Jamestown Colony had a need for more women, the Virginia Company of London sent shipments of mail-order brides from England in return for tobacco. More information can be found in Women's Life and Work in the Southern Colonies by Julia Spruill and other books about women in the Jamestown colony. There are similar history books about international marriage brokerage around the world including Europe, Australia, Japan, China, South America and so on as well. Particularly the Victorian-era marriage industry in western countries. I'm frustrated, because I don't have the skills to rewrite this entry (I'm still struggling to understand Wikipedia's editorial policies and how some editing functions work). I hope this entry will be flagged for the attention of a skilled Wikipedia editor who would be willing to spend time rewriting and editing this. Thank you. 0zero9nine ( talk) 05:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
The foregoing is TLDR, but as it stands the article is too verbose, too rambling, too detailed, and too WP:NOTMANUAL. "Violence against" material belongs only to the extent problems peculiar to mail-order brides are being described -- there's violence against all kinds of wives (and husbands too, come to mention it). These specific awful stories serve no purpose. EEng ( talk) 18:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I have updated the article by removing a huge load of redundant information, and consolidating the article in three major categories, following the introduction: history, legal issues, mail order brides situations & stories, and then country-specific information. Please include anything that is specific to a country in this last section only, or the article will get very messy quickly. Add all stories of mail-order brides that are more narrative in nature (with appropriate citation) in the Mail order bride situations and stories section and indicate the country and/or region.
Also, there were a number of issues with proper referencing of sources. Please remember that all material posted must reference a Wikipedia approved source of information. See Wikipedia's rules for citations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources It is not allowed to post information that does not reference a reliable source that can be verified.
Computer1200 ( talk) 21:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Odd to see no mention of les filles du roi, the "king's daughters" who were the original group to have immigrated solely for the purpose of marriage and colonisation of what was New France centuries ago. Even Uncyclopedia gives this key bit of Canadian heritage at least a line in the history section. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 06:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I like how this article cleverly says "their customers" in order to sway the easily swayed reader to think that because people like myself who have decided to try international marriage (without a dating agency but with a website) are only disputing the Mail order bride label as derogatory because we are biased there for unable to sort fact from fiction when in fact the people who chosen not to are actually the ones in the dark because they have only hearsay and biased media to rely on as their source of information as opposed to actually getting to know them, visiting them and then seeing how misinformed the media is about this issue. Not that all of the hearsay is wrong but it's grossly misrepresented and over generalized. Any one who has taken to the time to really get to know the women overseas without prejudice can clearly see how grossly misinformed most people are about this issue. They also generalized because of their is an international boarder (different countries) between two websites and two people it (the female human being) is a mail order bride but if there is no boarder (same country)and they're "advertising themselves for marriage they are not. The women are labeled as commodities and the men are reduced to johns just for crossing boarders in dating even if they are truly in love in a mutually respectful relationship. Does that in any way make sense or seem humane? I understand where the label came from and in the past maybe mostly only sleezebags did it but I would think that modern humans would advance with modern times. Only a few decades ago online dating was considered ridiculous and now its common place. Let's grow with the times people. You see "the customers" have first hand information where as the public has second, third or maybe even forth and fifth hand information and that's why we "johns" see it as deroagatory because we can see the affect it has in the women being labeled and mistreated due to the labeling. Ultimately, people who are negatively labeled are also undervalued and under protected and become prime targets (both men and women) for just the sort of characters that fit the stereotypes that you assume all do. When I first started international dating I had no idea that it was considered to be mail order briding because i only saw human beings not commodities, to me it was just another dating website with lots of attractive women. It was only later after losing a 15 year friendship over the matter that I realized that I was considered to be a mail order john for doing so and it was then that I could see the ignorance surrounding the issue.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.9.132 ( talk) 11:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
The article mentions the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005; however this act is only of use for women that wish to marry a man from the USA. Which acts exist for other countries ? Can this be mentioned ? 80.200.229.164 ( talk) 13:46, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Really? One might want to look at the current political situation where Vladimir Putin's Russia has ended all international adoption to United States of America families using one child's death as an unfortunate pretext. There have been a few other high-profile incidents, including a US church-backed group in post-quake Haïti caught trying to remove "orphans" via the Dominican Republic while the parents were very much alive and a group "l'Arche de Zoë" which was caught in a similar scandal in Africa. Not all nations allow their spawn to be taken through international adoption. Prospective adoptive parents get a free pass to a point (for instance, a blind eye is turned to the pattern of them not wanting older kids, problem kids, siblings placed together but being willing to spend thousands to go abroad for the "cute widdle baybee") but any sign of fraud on the part of an adoption agency is pilloried in the media. K7L ( talk) 18:39, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
A large part of the male Turkish immigrants in Germany prefer a Turkish wife from Turkey.-- 95.113.253.182 ( talk) 19:32, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
There's a fair few places (the China, Russia, South Korea and Taiwan sections) where there's a huge amount of citations for a small amount of information. It's almost certain that some of the citations don't add any new information, and it would be beneficial to remove some that don't actually have any unique value. Alcherin ( talk) 20:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
http://www.chinesewifes.com/Pages/default.aspx http://www.rosebrides.com/chinese-brides.html http://www.mynewchinesewife.com/chinese-brides-is-a-mail-order-bride-the-way-to-go/ http://chinesemates.com/ -- 141.19.228.15 ( talk) 19:26, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I'm doing a group assignment in my English class, and we're working on making some big changes to the bride-buying article. Something I've noticed is that most research done on bride-buying is specific to mail-order brides. Do mail-order brides apply to bride-buying? Or are they separate? Thanks in advance. Mop8888 ( talk) 05:39, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
"52 percent of Russia’s workforce is made up of women, yet according to some sources they often hold low positions of prominence in their home country and work jobs with less respect and lower wage (such as teaching or physician positions)". Physicians have a low wage in Russia? Does the word physician refer to something other than a doctor or are doctors paid poorly in Russia? ☣ Yutsi — Talk/ Edits 00:04, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
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"Добрый день, пожалуйста, удалите абзац "A mail-order bride is a woman who lists herself in catalogs and is selected by a man for marriage. In the twentieth century, the trend was primarily towards women living in developing countries seeking men in more developed nations. In the twenty-first century, the trend is now based primarily on internet-based meeting places which do not per se qualify as mail-order bride services. The majority of the women listed in the twentieth-century and twenty-first-century services are from Southeast Asia, countries of the former Eastern Bloc and (to a lesser extent) from Latin America.[1] Since the collapse of the Soviet Union large numbers of eastern European women have advertised themselves in such a way, primarily from Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova. Men who list themselves in such publications are referred to as "mail-order husbands," although this is much less common.
The term "mail-order bride" is both criticized by owners (and customers) of international marriage agencies and used by them as an easily recognizable term.[2]" Эта информация недостоверна Ladayougova ( talk) 16:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
1)With 4,138,273 more women than men from the ages of 15 to 64,
This count is too precise. It changes daily!
2)52 percent of Russia's workforce is made up of women, yet according to some sources they often hold low positions of prominence in their home country and work jobs with less respect and lower wages (such as teaching or physician positions);[15] and women earn 43 percent of what men do.[16]
This references reports which are 10 years old (not to mention it would be more reliable to use first-hand reports by the Russian government.) Also teachers and doctors are not positions with "less respect". Quite the contrary.
3)...as well as the fact that a large portion of successful males are emigrating out of Russia.[20] While there may be some emigration, and while it may be substantial, the "successful" part is rather doubtful. Also [20] source is somehow unavailable from my location (which is Russian Federation)
4)In testimony before the United States Senate, Professor Donna Hughes said that two thirds of Ukrainian women interviewed wanted to live abroad and this rose to 97% in the resort city of Yalta.[21]
Well, at least Yalta's women's wish is now granted, for they now live happily as part of Russian Federation =D (Sorry, this whole comment was meant to be about "why are there Ukrainian women and Russian city in a single sentence... and then I realised.)
185.150.154.80 ( talk) 13:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Some sentences in this article are identical to sentences in Personal advertisement. As I was writing that article, there was content that also was applicable to this one, and I copied my work here. Schazjmd (talk) 00:18, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
The data cited which states that 43% of senior management in Russia are women does not support or undermine the reasons provided for why Russian women seek foreign husbands. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvitray ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
A large part or even the Majority of Russian women who are seeking foreign husbands or Boyfriends belong to ethnic minorities.-- 92.74.242.11 ( talk) 14:22, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
For possible inclusion, if some Wikipedia editor would do further (secondary) research in the media: I recall reading in US media circa 2000 that Russian-Siberian women were being recruited to marry Japanese men in Japan. If I recall correctly, purported driving forces included economic hardships in the Vladivostok area and a reduced willingness of young native-born Japanese women to be submissive in their relationships with Japanese men. Example articles:
Acwilson9 ( talk) 23:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
These women belong mainly to ethnic minorities because Russian women are not submissive and the women from other post-Soviet countries are Central Asians mostly.-- 88.66.153.153 ( talk) 15:31, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
I suggest "Female marriage migration" as a replacement title for this article. Acwilson9 ( talk) 22:47, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
The statistics are 10 years old, most cited sources even older נוף כרמל ( talk) 20:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
In the lead, I find two statements dubious: The majority of the women making use of these services from the 1970s to the present are from East Asia, Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, and Latin America.[1]
and Since the 1990s, large numbers of eastern European women have advertised themselves in such a way, primarily from Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova.
The issue here is that it isn't established anywhere in the article where the majority of the mail order brides originate from, and the sole citation here (Robert Scholes, Appendix A. [1]) doesn't support this statement either.
Robert Scholes's Appendix A only concerns immigrant brides to the Anglosphere "and Europe". So it's misleading to use it to describe the global mail order bride industry. There's an enormous mail order bride industry that caters to men in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc. Most mail order brides to these countries are Southeast Asian women.
Where is the typical mail order bride from, globally? That's a question I hope to answer with citations later.
But moving on, there's no mention in Scholes that since the 1990s, large numbers of women
from Moldova
, Belarus
or Georgia
have advertised themselves as such. It would seem that this is a synthesis from the main body, where reactionary claims from Lukashenko, for example, are noted. But I'm not seeing any actual data or scholarly claims that a significant share of the mail order brides, globally, are Moldovan, Georgian or Belarussian. Scholes does not mention any of these countries. So I don't see these as leadworthy.
All I see in Scholes is on pp. 1-2:
Based on a scanning of the services listed and information provided by the agencies themselves, we may estimate that between 100,000 and 150,000 women from a variety of countries (including the United States, Canada, Europe, and Australia) annually advertise themselves as available for marriage.
The great majority of these women are from two major areas: Southeast Asia, including the Philippines, and Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union. The Philippines provides a large number of the Asian listings, despite the fact that "mail-order bride" activities have been illegal there since 1986, while Thailand, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Korea, and Japan are also seen often as the woman's native country.
In recent years, a large increase in listings has been due to the influx of services focused on women of Russia and the former Soviet Union Nearly half (69) of the 153 services listed in one source feature such women. In addition to Russia itself, the Ukraine is the most common country of origin.
The agencies vary considerably in the number of women listed, the geographical origin of the women, and in the length of time they have been in business. One of the largest and oldest of them is Cherry Blossoms, which has been operating since 1974 and lists over 6,000 women at any one time. This company's listings reflect the general pattern of national origin of the women seeking husbands: of the 6,000, over 4,600 are from Asia (3,050 from the Philippines), 1,700 from the former Soviet Union (mostly from Russia and Ukraine), and others from Latin and South America and Europe.
This is a good source for the demographics of mail order brides in the West, at least up to time when it was published, but cannot reflect on the global mail order bride phenomenon, which includes the Western as well as Eastern markets. 2600:100C:B013:3460:0:4A:7296:1301 ( talk) 15:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
I've recently reverted several edits by a new editor (Cuces crux) who appears to be making the same edits as the recently banned editor Alikima. Their edits are also very similar to a previous editkor with the screenname "LeanaAndYoung".
Most of their edits appear to be stealth removals of content, as well as the addition of unsourced or misrepresentations of content.
They also have made erroneous allegations of failure to verify. For intance, on 19:07 26 February 2024, they removed content cited with Marchbank and Letherby (2007), with the explanation that "Pages 194-5 in this book don't mention any of this https://books.google.com/books?id=KeXpAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA194-z"
However, comparing the citation in the Wikipedia to the link in Cruces crux's edit summary, we see that they have erred. Their link is to the second edition of the book, ublished in 2014. The citation in the Wiki is for the first edition of the book, published in 2007:
Many of these marriage agencies are based near women in developing countries (such as [[Colombia]], China, Thailand, and the Philippines).<ref>{{cite book |title=Introduction to Gender: Social Science Perspectives |last1=Marchbank |first1=Dr. Jennifer |last2=Letherby |first2=Prof. Gayle |date=2007|pages=194–195 |isbn=978-1405858441}}</ref>
The 2007 first edition is not the same book as the second edition; the same content is no longer found on the same pages. In reality, the first edition does verify; and Marchbank cites a study showing that +10,000 were from countries in Asia and Latin America (including China), compared to just 4,000 from Europe. 2603:8080:1F00:4882:CD4B:5F00:B01C:E334 ( talk) 10:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
In the section demoghraphics it says 'white, highly educated, succesful. Very vague definitions. Succesful in what? Certanly not women. Highly educated in what? There isn't a dfenitive information to know the majority of the demogprahics. The source is super vague and old nad full of misinformation and bias. Mods get ery offended without any proof that my arguments are not credible so by definition this mods are biased Onlyloss73 ( talk) 23:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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It's riddled with bias, negative comments, allegations and somewhat bigoted. The introduction is largely one-sided. Not enough citations. No mention of laws regarding international marriage brokerage in other countries. The history section is shockingly underdeveloped. For example: In 1619, when the Jamestown Colony had a need for more women, the Virginia Company of London sent shipments of mail-order brides from England in return for tobacco. More information can be found in Women's Life and Work in the Southern Colonies by Julia Spruill and other books about women in the Jamestown colony. There are similar history books about international marriage brokerage around the world including Europe, Australia, Japan, China, South America and so on as well. Particularly the Victorian-era marriage industry in western countries. I'm frustrated, because I don't have the skills to rewrite this entry (I'm still struggling to understand Wikipedia's editorial policies and how some editing functions work). I hope this entry will be flagged for the attention of a skilled Wikipedia editor who would be willing to spend time rewriting and editing this. Thank you. 0zero9nine ( talk) 05:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
The foregoing is TLDR, but as it stands the article is too verbose, too rambling, too detailed, and too WP:NOTMANUAL. "Violence against" material belongs only to the extent problems peculiar to mail-order brides are being described -- there's violence against all kinds of wives (and husbands too, come to mention it). These specific awful stories serve no purpose. EEng ( talk) 18:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I have updated the article by removing a huge load of redundant information, and consolidating the article in three major categories, following the introduction: history, legal issues, mail order brides situations & stories, and then country-specific information. Please include anything that is specific to a country in this last section only, or the article will get very messy quickly. Add all stories of mail-order brides that are more narrative in nature (with appropriate citation) in the Mail order bride situations and stories section and indicate the country and/or region.
Also, there were a number of issues with proper referencing of sources. Please remember that all material posted must reference a Wikipedia approved source of information. See Wikipedia's rules for citations here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources It is not allowed to post information that does not reference a reliable source that can be verified.
Computer1200 ( talk) 21:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Odd to see no mention of les filles du roi, the "king's daughters" who were the original group to have immigrated solely for the purpose of marriage and colonisation of what was New France centuries ago. Even Uncyclopedia gives this key bit of Canadian heritage at least a line in the history section. 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 06:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I like how this article cleverly says "their customers" in order to sway the easily swayed reader to think that because people like myself who have decided to try international marriage (without a dating agency but with a website) are only disputing the Mail order bride label as derogatory because we are biased there for unable to sort fact from fiction when in fact the people who chosen not to are actually the ones in the dark because they have only hearsay and biased media to rely on as their source of information as opposed to actually getting to know them, visiting them and then seeing how misinformed the media is about this issue. Not that all of the hearsay is wrong but it's grossly misrepresented and over generalized. Any one who has taken to the time to really get to know the women overseas without prejudice can clearly see how grossly misinformed most people are about this issue. They also generalized because of their is an international boarder (different countries) between two websites and two people it (the female human being) is a mail order bride but if there is no boarder (same country)and they're "advertising themselves for marriage they are not. The women are labeled as commodities and the men are reduced to johns just for crossing boarders in dating even if they are truly in love in a mutually respectful relationship. Does that in any way make sense or seem humane? I understand where the label came from and in the past maybe mostly only sleezebags did it but I would think that modern humans would advance with modern times. Only a few decades ago online dating was considered ridiculous and now its common place. Let's grow with the times people. You see "the customers" have first hand information where as the public has second, third or maybe even forth and fifth hand information and that's why we "johns" see it as deroagatory because we can see the affect it has in the women being labeled and mistreated due to the labeling. Ultimately, people who are negatively labeled are also undervalued and under protected and become prime targets (both men and women) for just the sort of characters that fit the stereotypes that you assume all do. When I first started international dating I had no idea that it was considered to be mail order briding because i only saw human beings not commodities, to me it was just another dating website with lots of attractive women. It was only later after losing a 15 year friendship over the matter that I realized that I was considered to be a mail order john for doing so and it was then that I could see the ignorance surrounding the issue.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.9.132 ( talk) 11:10, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
The article mentions the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005; however this act is only of use for women that wish to marry a man from the USA. Which acts exist for other countries ? Can this be mentioned ? 80.200.229.164 ( talk) 13:46, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Really? One might want to look at the current political situation where Vladimir Putin's Russia has ended all international adoption to United States of America families using one child's death as an unfortunate pretext. There have been a few other high-profile incidents, including a US church-backed group in post-quake Haïti caught trying to remove "orphans" via the Dominican Republic while the parents were very much alive and a group "l'Arche de Zoë" which was caught in a similar scandal in Africa. Not all nations allow their spawn to be taken through international adoption. Prospective adoptive parents get a free pass to a point (for instance, a blind eye is turned to the pattern of them not wanting older kids, problem kids, siblings placed together but being willing to spend thousands to go abroad for the "cute widdle baybee") but any sign of fraud on the part of an adoption agency is pilloried in the media. K7L ( talk) 18:39, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
A large part of the male Turkish immigrants in Germany prefer a Turkish wife from Turkey.-- 95.113.253.182 ( talk) 19:32, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
There's a fair few places (the China, Russia, South Korea and Taiwan sections) where there's a huge amount of citations for a small amount of information. It's almost certain that some of the citations don't add any new information, and it would be beneficial to remove some that don't actually have any unique value. Alcherin ( talk) 20:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
http://www.chinesewifes.com/Pages/default.aspx http://www.rosebrides.com/chinese-brides.html http://www.mynewchinesewife.com/chinese-brides-is-a-mail-order-bride-the-way-to-go/ http://chinesemates.com/ -- 141.19.228.15 ( talk) 19:26, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi everyone! I'm doing a group assignment in my English class, and we're working on making some big changes to the bride-buying article. Something I've noticed is that most research done on bride-buying is specific to mail-order brides. Do mail-order brides apply to bride-buying? Or are they separate? Thanks in advance. Mop8888 ( talk) 05:39, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
"52 percent of Russia’s workforce is made up of women, yet according to some sources they often hold low positions of prominence in their home country and work jobs with less respect and lower wage (such as teaching or physician positions)". Physicians have a low wage in Russia? Does the word physician refer to something other than a doctor or are doctors paid poorly in Russia? ☣ Yutsi — Talk/ Edits 00:04, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
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"Добрый день, пожалуйста, удалите абзац "A mail-order bride is a woman who lists herself in catalogs and is selected by a man for marriage. In the twentieth century, the trend was primarily towards women living in developing countries seeking men in more developed nations. In the twenty-first century, the trend is now based primarily on internet-based meeting places which do not per se qualify as mail-order bride services. The majority of the women listed in the twentieth-century and twenty-first-century services are from Southeast Asia, countries of the former Eastern Bloc and (to a lesser extent) from Latin America.[1] Since the collapse of the Soviet Union large numbers of eastern European women have advertised themselves in such a way, primarily from Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova. Men who list themselves in such publications are referred to as "mail-order husbands," although this is much less common.
The term "mail-order bride" is both criticized by owners (and customers) of international marriage agencies and used by them as an easily recognizable term.[2]" Эта информация недостоверна Ladayougova ( talk) 16:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
1)With 4,138,273 more women than men from the ages of 15 to 64,
This count is too precise. It changes daily!
2)52 percent of Russia's workforce is made up of women, yet according to some sources they often hold low positions of prominence in their home country and work jobs with less respect and lower wages (such as teaching or physician positions);[15] and women earn 43 percent of what men do.[16]
This references reports which are 10 years old (not to mention it would be more reliable to use first-hand reports by the Russian government.) Also teachers and doctors are not positions with "less respect". Quite the contrary.
3)...as well as the fact that a large portion of successful males are emigrating out of Russia.[20] While there may be some emigration, and while it may be substantial, the "successful" part is rather doubtful. Also [20] source is somehow unavailable from my location (which is Russian Federation)
4)In testimony before the United States Senate, Professor Donna Hughes said that two thirds of Ukrainian women interviewed wanted to live abroad and this rose to 97% in the resort city of Yalta.[21]
Well, at least Yalta's women's wish is now granted, for they now live happily as part of Russian Federation =D (Sorry, this whole comment was meant to be about "why are there Ukrainian women and Russian city in a single sentence... and then I realised.)
185.150.154.80 ( talk) 13:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Some sentences in this article are identical to sentences in Personal advertisement. As I was writing that article, there was content that also was applicable to this one, and I copied my work here. Schazjmd (talk) 00:18, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
The data cited which states that 43% of senior management in Russia are women does not support or undermine the reasons provided for why Russian women seek foreign husbands. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvitray ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
A large part or even the Majority of Russian women who are seeking foreign husbands or Boyfriends belong to ethnic minorities.-- 92.74.242.11 ( talk) 14:22, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
For possible inclusion, if some Wikipedia editor would do further (secondary) research in the media: I recall reading in US media circa 2000 that Russian-Siberian women were being recruited to marry Japanese men in Japan. If I recall correctly, purported driving forces included economic hardships in the Vladivostok area and a reduced willingness of young native-born Japanese women to be submissive in their relationships with Japanese men. Example articles:
Acwilson9 ( talk) 23:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
These women belong mainly to ethnic minorities because Russian women are not submissive and the women from other post-Soviet countries are Central Asians mostly.-- 88.66.153.153 ( talk) 15:31, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
I suggest "Female marriage migration" as a replacement title for this article. Acwilson9 ( talk) 22:47, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
The statistics are 10 years old, most cited sources even older נוף כרמל ( talk) 20:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
In the lead, I find two statements dubious: The majority of the women making use of these services from the 1970s to the present are from East Asia, Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, and Latin America.[1]
and Since the 1990s, large numbers of eastern European women have advertised themselves in such a way, primarily from Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova.
The issue here is that it isn't established anywhere in the article where the majority of the mail order brides originate from, and the sole citation here (Robert Scholes, Appendix A. [1]) doesn't support this statement either.
Robert Scholes's Appendix A only concerns immigrant brides to the Anglosphere "and Europe". So it's misleading to use it to describe the global mail order bride industry. There's an enormous mail order bride industry that caters to men in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc. Most mail order brides to these countries are Southeast Asian women.
Where is the typical mail order bride from, globally? That's a question I hope to answer with citations later.
But moving on, there's no mention in Scholes that since the 1990s, large numbers of women
from Moldova
, Belarus
or Georgia
have advertised themselves as such. It would seem that this is a synthesis from the main body, where reactionary claims from Lukashenko, for example, are noted. But I'm not seeing any actual data or scholarly claims that a significant share of the mail order brides, globally, are Moldovan, Georgian or Belarussian. Scholes does not mention any of these countries. So I don't see these as leadworthy.
All I see in Scholes is on pp. 1-2:
Based on a scanning of the services listed and information provided by the agencies themselves, we may estimate that between 100,000 and 150,000 women from a variety of countries (including the United States, Canada, Europe, and Australia) annually advertise themselves as available for marriage.
The great majority of these women are from two major areas: Southeast Asia, including the Philippines, and Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union. The Philippines provides a large number of the Asian listings, despite the fact that "mail-order bride" activities have been illegal there since 1986, while Thailand, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Korea, and Japan are also seen often as the woman's native country.
In recent years, a large increase in listings has been due to the influx of services focused on women of Russia and the former Soviet Union Nearly half (69) of the 153 services listed in one source feature such women. In addition to Russia itself, the Ukraine is the most common country of origin.
The agencies vary considerably in the number of women listed, the geographical origin of the women, and in the length of time they have been in business. One of the largest and oldest of them is Cherry Blossoms, which has been operating since 1974 and lists over 6,000 women at any one time. This company's listings reflect the general pattern of national origin of the women seeking husbands: of the 6,000, over 4,600 are from Asia (3,050 from the Philippines), 1,700 from the former Soviet Union (mostly from Russia and Ukraine), and others from Latin and South America and Europe.
This is a good source for the demographics of mail order brides in the West, at least up to time when it was published, but cannot reflect on the global mail order bride phenomenon, which includes the Western as well as Eastern markets. 2600:100C:B013:3460:0:4A:7296:1301 ( talk) 15:43, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
I've recently reverted several edits by a new editor (Cuces crux) who appears to be making the same edits as the recently banned editor Alikima. Their edits are also very similar to a previous editkor with the screenname "LeanaAndYoung".
Most of their edits appear to be stealth removals of content, as well as the addition of unsourced or misrepresentations of content.
They also have made erroneous allegations of failure to verify. For intance, on 19:07 26 February 2024, they removed content cited with Marchbank and Letherby (2007), with the explanation that "Pages 194-5 in this book don't mention any of this https://books.google.com/books?id=KeXpAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA194-z"
However, comparing the citation in the Wikipedia to the link in Cruces crux's edit summary, we see that they have erred. Their link is to the second edition of the book, ublished in 2014. The citation in the Wiki is for the first edition of the book, published in 2007:
Many of these marriage agencies are based near women in developing countries (such as [[Colombia]], China, Thailand, and the Philippines).<ref>{{cite book |title=Introduction to Gender: Social Science Perspectives |last1=Marchbank |first1=Dr. Jennifer |last2=Letherby |first2=Prof. Gayle |date=2007|pages=194–195 |isbn=978-1405858441}}</ref>
The 2007 first edition is not the same book as the second edition; the same content is no longer found on the same pages. In reality, the first edition does verify; and Marchbank cites a study showing that +10,000 were from countries in Asia and Latin America (including China), compared to just 4,000 from Europe. 2603:8080:1F00:4882:CD4B:5F00:B01C:E334 ( talk) 10:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
In the section demoghraphics it says 'white, highly educated, succesful. Very vague definitions. Succesful in what? Certanly not women. Highly educated in what? There isn't a dfenitive information to know the majority of the demogprahics. The source is super vague and old nad full of misinformation and bias. Mods get ery offended without any proof that my arguments are not credible so by definition this mods are biased Onlyloss73 ( talk) 23:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)