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What is the range of prices for these machines? That seems noteworthy for the article.
You're looking at a minimum of $70,000 for a new machine. However a wide array of features are available: automatic snow breaker, extra seats, seatbelts, fuel (gasoline, propane, CNG, electric), rear-mounted edger, tire wash, and much more. A laser guided blade system will run about another $10,000 and the FastIce System runs for around $20,000 to $30,000 depending on the options.
For less than full size rinks, don't forget the compact Sport Ice 124, much lower cost than full size machine. Great2b1 ( talk) 15:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure where you got the half million figure for a new resurfacer. Everything I have ever heard has always been in the range of $80,000 (USD) to $100,000. All of these previously mentioned prices are about 10x more than I have ever seen or heard. If I recall, Philips Arena's ice maintenance head said they only paid about $30,000 each for FastIce and a STAR rep there said the laser system was about $10,000. The big deterrent in implementing these systems is that they require a higher degree of proficiency that is not as high at most rinks operating. -- 66.32.173.126 ( talk) 07:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
According to a 1996 Road & Track test drive of a Zamboni Model 500 ( http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0504_zamboni_data_panels.pdf) the list price is $41,750 and the machine they tested being $51,110. Adjusting for inflation, $50,000 in 1996 is $68,458.57 in 2008.-- 66.32.173.126 ( talk) 23:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
From this sentence:
Frank J. Zamboni & Co, Inc. and other companies manufacture ice resurfacing machines, and although some people improperly refer to ice resurfacers as "a Zamboni", the name ZAMBONI is a federally and internationally registered trademark.
This is just ridiculous. No matter how much they'd like to try, the ZAMBONI company does not have the slightest power over linguistics. The things are called Zambonis at every hockey rink in the English-speaking world. I strongly suggest a rewording of this line. JHMM13 21:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
While the company cannot actually prevent people from referring to ice resurfacers as "Zambonis", they are required by US law to make all possible efforts to prevent such usage. Failure to do so could result in the loss of the company's ownership of the name and design of the vehicle.-- 66.32.173.126 ( talk) 07:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The Zamboni was created in the city of Paramount, CA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.188.96.2 ( talk) 15:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I added an advert template. The Frank Zamboni company is overly prominent in the article. We may all applaud Frank's invention, which it'd be great to see written up in a more complete 'history' section. Twang ( talk) 20:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
These machines generally run on natural gas, which is very clean burning. It sounds to me like this section was added to promote the sales of electric machines. The basic fact is, all combustion engines have deleterious effects on air quality. This is like explaining that ice is both dangerous and made from frozen water in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.4.31 ( talk) 02:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
IMO, everything currently in the "In popular culture" section is trivia and has been removed. The list has been posted here, in the event that anyone wishes to expand these trivial notes into actual notable tidbits - TinGrin 17:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tingrin87 ( talk • contribs) 17:37, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
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how about a discription of how they did it before the zamboni? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.71.148.1 ( talk) 19:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I suggest that most of the history section be split to a new article Zamboni Company (current corporate name [2]) and a summary be left behind here. This article is about ice resurfacers in general, so the specific corporate history detail should be in a corporate article. As the corporation seems very notable, there should be no problem with its existence. -- 76.65.128.43 ( talk) 03:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I have now copied the relevant material to the Zamboni Company article but I need help with trimming down the History section of this page to just the main points. Roger ( talk) 09:06, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
The original Zamboni machine is parked in the skating rink that the family still owns, just down the street from the factory. See here. Could an L.A.-based Wikipedia editor drop by and take a photo, and upload it for the history section of this article? Thanks, Wbm1058 ( talk) 18:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
The LA Times article is no longer valid. Making linking directly to the Google Doodle would be a better idea? -- 69.85.88.55 ( talk) 15:29, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be alot of Promotion information about specific brands and models throughout the article. I think it needs to be cleaned up. Fusion2186 ( talk) 21:31, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
No consensus. See no general agreement below to rename this article or the other changes mentioned. COMMONNAME args cited were unconvincing and need to be strengthened if used in the future. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors can strengthen their args and try again in a few months to garner consensus for these or similar changes. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 19:05, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Ice resurfacer → Zamboni – This machine is almost universally called a "Zamboni". The second sentence of the article acknowledges this fact. The generic term "ice resurfacer" makes logical sense, but is clearly not the common name. As with " Jet ski" or " Hovercraft" (both brand names), this is another case where people barely know what the generic object is actually called, and simply use the brand name to refer to all models of it. Same is true with the Zamboni. Mathglot ( talk) 18:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dekimasu よ! 23:49, 31 December 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. SITH (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Even the job description yields to this. [1]
Compare:
and these two searches, each showing documents containing only one of the two terms, and excluding the other:
If approved, this would imply the following concomitant actions:
References
Their ID badges read 'ice technician,' but they're more commonly known as Zamboni operators.
The requested move proposes renaming Zamboni (a disambiguation page) to Zamboni (disambiguation) in order for "Zamboni" to redirect to ice resurfacer. Wracking 💬 04:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
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What is the range of prices for these machines? That seems noteworthy for the article.
You're looking at a minimum of $70,000 for a new machine. However a wide array of features are available: automatic snow breaker, extra seats, seatbelts, fuel (gasoline, propane, CNG, electric), rear-mounted edger, tire wash, and much more. A laser guided blade system will run about another $10,000 and the FastIce System runs for around $20,000 to $30,000 depending on the options.
For less than full size rinks, don't forget the compact Sport Ice 124, much lower cost than full size machine. Great2b1 ( talk) 15:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure where you got the half million figure for a new resurfacer. Everything I have ever heard has always been in the range of $80,000 (USD) to $100,000. All of these previously mentioned prices are about 10x more than I have ever seen or heard. If I recall, Philips Arena's ice maintenance head said they only paid about $30,000 each for FastIce and a STAR rep there said the laser system was about $10,000. The big deterrent in implementing these systems is that they require a higher degree of proficiency that is not as high at most rinks operating. -- 66.32.173.126 ( talk) 07:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
According to a 1996 Road & Track test drive of a Zamboni Model 500 ( http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0504_zamboni_data_panels.pdf) the list price is $41,750 and the machine they tested being $51,110. Adjusting for inflation, $50,000 in 1996 is $68,458.57 in 2008.-- 66.32.173.126 ( talk) 23:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
From this sentence:
Frank J. Zamboni & Co, Inc. and other companies manufacture ice resurfacing machines, and although some people improperly refer to ice resurfacers as "a Zamboni", the name ZAMBONI is a federally and internationally registered trademark.
This is just ridiculous. No matter how much they'd like to try, the ZAMBONI company does not have the slightest power over linguistics. The things are called Zambonis at every hockey rink in the English-speaking world. I strongly suggest a rewording of this line. JHMM13 21:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
While the company cannot actually prevent people from referring to ice resurfacers as "Zambonis", they are required by US law to make all possible efforts to prevent such usage. Failure to do so could result in the loss of the company's ownership of the name and design of the vehicle.-- 66.32.173.126 ( talk) 07:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
The Zamboni was created in the city of Paramount, CA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.188.96.2 ( talk) 15:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I added an advert template. The Frank Zamboni company is overly prominent in the article. We may all applaud Frank's invention, which it'd be great to see written up in a more complete 'history' section. Twang ( talk) 20:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
These machines generally run on natural gas, which is very clean burning. It sounds to me like this section was added to promote the sales of electric machines. The basic fact is, all combustion engines have deleterious effects on air quality. This is like explaining that ice is both dangerous and made from frozen water in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.4.31 ( talk) 02:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
IMO, everything currently in the "In popular culture" section is trivia and has been removed. The list has been posted here, in the event that anyone wishes to expand these trivial notes into actual notable tidbits - TinGrin 17:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tingrin87 ( talk • contribs) 17:37, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
References
how about a discription of how they did it before the zamboni? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.71.148.1 ( talk) 19:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I suggest that most of the history section be split to a new article Zamboni Company (current corporate name [2]) and a summary be left behind here. This article is about ice resurfacers in general, so the specific corporate history detail should be in a corporate article. As the corporation seems very notable, there should be no problem with its existence. -- 76.65.128.43 ( talk) 03:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I have now copied the relevant material to the Zamboni Company article but I need help with trimming down the History section of this page to just the main points. Roger ( talk) 09:06, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
The original Zamboni machine is parked in the skating rink that the family still owns, just down the street from the factory. See here. Could an L.A.-based Wikipedia editor drop by and take a photo, and upload it for the history section of this article? Thanks, Wbm1058 ( talk) 18:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
The LA Times article is no longer valid. Making linking directly to the Google Doodle would be a better idea? -- 69.85.88.55 ( talk) 15:29, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be alot of Promotion information about specific brands and models throughout the article. I think it needs to be cleaned up. Fusion2186 ( talk) 21:31, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
No consensus. See no general agreement below to rename this article or the other changes mentioned. COMMONNAME args cited were unconvincing and need to be strengthened if used in the future. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors can strengthen their args and try again in a few months to garner consensus for these or similar changes. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 19:05, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Ice resurfacer → Zamboni – This machine is almost universally called a "Zamboni". The second sentence of the article acknowledges this fact. The generic term "ice resurfacer" makes logical sense, but is clearly not the common name. As with " Jet ski" or " Hovercraft" (both brand names), this is another case where people barely know what the generic object is actually called, and simply use the brand name to refer to all models of it. Same is true with the Zamboni. Mathglot ( talk) 18:27, 24 December 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dekimasu よ! 23:49, 31 December 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. SITH (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Even the job description yields to this. [1]
Compare:
and these two searches, each showing documents containing only one of the two terms, and excluding the other:
If approved, this would imply the following concomitant actions:
References
Their ID badges read 'ice technician,' but they're more commonly known as Zamboni operators.
The requested move proposes renaming Zamboni (a disambiguation page) to Zamboni (disambiguation) in order for "Zamboni" to redirect to ice resurfacer. Wracking 💬 04:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)