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The pre-1987 title history should be included. Yes, it was a championship; it just wasn't defended throughout the year in the way that we conventionally talk about titles now. It was a title contested once a year in an annual tournament. Hogan won it in 1983 and lost it in 1984. This history should be included with acknowledgment that the title became a conventionally defended title much later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.105.189.52 ( talk) 06:08, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The IWGP Heavyweight Title didn't officially exist prior to 1987. The times where Hogan was apparently the champion and lost it to Inoki, etc, it wasn't the actual belt. It was a tournament of some sort. See here:
http://www.wrestling-titles.com/japan/newjapan/iwgp.html
The title was officially created in 1987. More proof here:
-- Voievod 00:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
PWI does not recognize this title as a World Title. --Talison 21:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I completely understand the arguement that the Title has been defended outside of Japan as a vaild claim to World Title status. But we are talking about wether PWI recognizes it as such. I hav never read anything in any issue of PWI or related specials where they give World Title Status to any Japanese Belt. I remember several times that they discussed what belts they do recognize. They typically do not use a companies exact wording for a belt. If we are going by PWI, it's not a World Title. If someone can site an issue number where it is refered to as such, please post it. --Talison 22:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Also, I think you miss my point. In the September 2006 issue PWI had a retrospective of the original ECW. It is broken down by year. The ECW Title is refered to as the "ECW Heavyweight Title" in every year's article untill 1999. In 99 the #5 story of the year is listed as "The ECW Heavyweight Championship recieves World Title Designation from PWI." In the remaining articles from 99 on the title is called the ECW World Title. My point being that this is what PWI does. Regardles of the Titles name they have a designation for it in thier magazines. If they consider it a World Title they use the word World in it's designation.--Talison 16:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
It does not matter if PWI considers it a "World" title or not. New Japan has never declared it a "World" title. And they are the ones that count, not PWI. It does not matter anyways, like the Triple Crown and GHC, the IWGP is just as respected as any "World" title.-- DanteAgusta ( talk) 13:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The information given above appears to be completely contradicted by the PWI 2007 Wrestling Almanac and book of facts. It lists Hogan's reign as the first, and makes no comments on the IWGP title not existing prior to 1987. PWI has been very meticulous about this kind of thing, and in earlier versions of the almanac produced a list of active and inactive titles. They have never indicated that Hogan's championship is a seperate championship, and he is the first champion listed in their records. Either Hogan's championship is somehow considered a phantom reign, or someone has their information wrong about the idea that Hogan's title wasn't the IWGP title. Although PWI's focus is primarily on American wrestling, they do cover events in Japan, and the fact that they continue to list Hogan's victory on the active titles section, without making any comment giving it a distinction as a seperate belt indicates that NJPW considers him to have been the IWGP World Heavyweight Champion as it is recognized today. PWI would not have put Hogan's name on their list of people to have held the belt if he had not held it.
Warwolf1 22:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hogan won the 1983 IWGP League, and was presented with a belt as the winner, but that belt was never defended. Inoki didn't beat Hogan for that title in 1984, he beat Hogan in the finals of the 1984 IWGP League. The IWGP Heavyweight Championship wasn't created until 1987, when Inoki won a decision tournament, beating Masa Saito in the final. 212.84.96.252 11:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it true that Brock Lesnar never returned the belt, after he left NJPW? -- Gemini2525 20:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Lesnar did not return the belt. The belt he defended in IGF was that belt. New Japan still own the rights to the IWGP name, not Antonio Inoki. It means that Yuji Nagata is still the IWGP Heavyweight Champion, not Kurt Angle. 212.84.96.252 11:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Do we count it?
We shouldn't count it, at all. The only ones recognizing Angle as an IWGP Champion are IGF and TNA, both companies have NO say whatsoever however in who is recognized as an IWGP Champion.
Edgar
22:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Add it to the note section when When tna started reconizing him as champ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masterman4 ( talk • contribs) 01:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it is true that Lesnar never returned the title, and he was NOT recognized as the IWGP champion after he was stripped and Antonio Inoki is in NO position to recognized IWGP Champions! The IWGP trademark is owned by New Japan Pro-Wrestling and controlled by the IWGP Championship Committee.
The current and official title holder history is listed here: http://www.njpw.co.jp/histry/heavy.html
Yuji Nagata is the current champion, he has NOT been stripped!
Who ever edited the page and added the "Nagata was stripped, Lesnar was the champion etc." was lying. Just because Lesnar never returned the belt does not make him a champion. Whatever pseudo championship Inoki/Lesnar may want to create, it has nothing to do with the real IWGP championship and should not be treated as such.
wasnt the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship NOT THE IWGP Heavyweight Championship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.250.99 ( talk) 23:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
New Japan (or rather, Japanese wrestling as a whole) has long considered The Great Muta and Keiji Muta as two totally separate characters and people. Should this be reflected in the title count? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.178.118.148 ( talk) 00:32, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Thinking we can maybe switch the picture to one of just the belt alone? Plenty of good pics on Google. Jedi Striker ( talk) 06:07, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
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I feel that the IWGP title reigns section should be split into a different article. Almost every other modern day major wrestling promotion's world title has a separate article for the title reigns (eg. List of WWE Champions, List of Impact World Champions, List of ROH World Champions etc.) Why should this be different considering it’s linege? I will need a general consensus however, as this is a large move. Thoughts? Ducktech89 ( talk) 24 August 2019, 8:45 (UTC)
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The pre-1987 title history should be included. Yes, it was a championship; it just wasn't defended throughout the year in the way that we conventionally talk about titles now. It was a title contested once a year in an annual tournament. Hogan won it in 1983 and lost it in 1984. This history should be included with acknowledgment that the title became a conventionally defended title much later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.105.189.52 ( talk) 06:08, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The IWGP Heavyweight Title didn't officially exist prior to 1987. The times where Hogan was apparently the champion and lost it to Inoki, etc, it wasn't the actual belt. It was a tournament of some sort. See here:
http://www.wrestling-titles.com/japan/newjapan/iwgp.html
The title was officially created in 1987. More proof here:
-- Voievod 00:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
PWI does not recognize this title as a World Title. --Talison 21:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I completely understand the arguement that the Title has been defended outside of Japan as a vaild claim to World Title status. But we are talking about wether PWI recognizes it as such. I hav never read anything in any issue of PWI or related specials where they give World Title Status to any Japanese Belt. I remember several times that they discussed what belts they do recognize. They typically do not use a companies exact wording for a belt. If we are going by PWI, it's not a World Title. If someone can site an issue number where it is refered to as such, please post it. --Talison 22:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Also, I think you miss my point. In the September 2006 issue PWI had a retrospective of the original ECW. It is broken down by year. The ECW Title is refered to as the "ECW Heavyweight Title" in every year's article untill 1999. In 99 the #5 story of the year is listed as "The ECW Heavyweight Championship recieves World Title Designation from PWI." In the remaining articles from 99 on the title is called the ECW World Title. My point being that this is what PWI does. Regardles of the Titles name they have a designation for it in thier magazines. If they consider it a World Title they use the word World in it's designation.--Talison 16:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
It does not matter if PWI considers it a "World" title or not. New Japan has never declared it a "World" title. And they are the ones that count, not PWI. It does not matter anyways, like the Triple Crown and GHC, the IWGP is just as respected as any "World" title.-- DanteAgusta ( talk) 13:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The information given above appears to be completely contradicted by the PWI 2007 Wrestling Almanac and book of facts. It lists Hogan's reign as the first, and makes no comments on the IWGP title not existing prior to 1987. PWI has been very meticulous about this kind of thing, and in earlier versions of the almanac produced a list of active and inactive titles. They have never indicated that Hogan's championship is a seperate championship, and he is the first champion listed in their records. Either Hogan's championship is somehow considered a phantom reign, or someone has their information wrong about the idea that Hogan's title wasn't the IWGP title. Although PWI's focus is primarily on American wrestling, they do cover events in Japan, and the fact that they continue to list Hogan's victory on the active titles section, without making any comment giving it a distinction as a seperate belt indicates that NJPW considers him to have been the IWGP World Heavyweight Champion as it is recognized today. PWI would not have put Hogan's name on their list of people to have held the belt if he had not held it.
Warwolf1 22:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hogan won the 1983 IWGP League, and was presented with a belt as the winner, but that belt was never defended. Inoki didn't beat Hogan for that title in 1984, he beat Hogan in the finals of the 1984 IWGP League. The IWGP Heavyweight Championship wasn't created until 1987, when Inoki won a decision tournament, beating Masa Saito in the final. 212.84.96.252 11:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it true that Brock Lesnar never returned the belt, after he left NJPW? -- Gemini2525 20:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Lesnar did not return the belt. The belt he defended in IGF was that belt. New Japan still own the rights to the IWGP name, not Antonio Inoki. It means that Yuji Nagata is still the IWGP Heavyweight Champion, not Kurt Angle. 212.84.96.252 11:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Do we count it?
We shouldn't count it, at all. The only ones recognizing Angle as an IWGP Champion are IGF and TNA, both companies have NO say whatsoever however in who is recognized as an IWGP Champion.
Edgar
22:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Add it to the note section when When tna started reconizing him as champ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masterman4 ( talk • contribs) 01:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it is true that Lesnar never returned the title, and he was NOT recognized as the IWGP champion after he was stripped and Antonio Inoki is in NO position to recognized IWGP Champions! The IWGP trademark is owned by New Japan Pro-Wrestling and controlled by the IWGP Championship Committee.
The current and official title holder history is listed here: http://www.njpw.co.jp/histry/heavy.html
Yuji Nagata is the current champion, he has NOT been stripped!
Who ever edited the page and added the "Nagata was stripped, Lesnar was the champion etc." was lying. Just because Lesnar never returned the belt does not make him a champion. Whatever pseudo championship Inoki/Lesnar may want to create, it has nothing to do with the real IWGP championship and should not be treated as such.
wasnt the IWGP World Heavyweight Championship NOT THE IWGP Heavyweight Championship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.250.99 ( talk) 23:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
New Japan (or rather, Japanese wrestling as a whole) has long considered The Great Muta and Keiji Muta as two totally separate characters and people. Should this be reflected in the title count? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.178.118.148 ( talk) 00:32, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Thinking we can maybe switch the picture to one of just the belt alone? Plenty of good pics on Google. Jedi Striker ( talk) 06:07, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
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I feel that the IWGP title reigns section should be split into a different article. Almost every other modern day major wrestling promotion's world title has a separate article for the title reigns (eg. List of WWE Champions, List of Impact World Champions, List of ROH World Champions etc.) Why should this be different considering it’s linege? I will need a general consensus however, as this is a large move. Thoughts? Ducktech89 ( talk) 24 August 2019, 8:45 (UTC)