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Should probably get a mention in the see also section or incorporated into the article, since it is a perfectly legit article with lots of refs and is directly related to the iPhone. Don't know who removed it the second time Towel401 ( talk) 20:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Could someone create a subsection in the main Iphone article that details its pricing history? I think it would be helpful. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.218.208.49 ( talk) 12:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
There is an ongoing dispute on History of the iPhone (talk) subpage. It would be nice if some of the regular iPhone contributors could comment on this. I wish to see the best possible encyclopedia, but I realize that having a pointless edit war between two parties is not the way to accomplish it. -- KelleyCook ( talk) 20:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
There has been no news from Apple (or to my knowledge AT&T) that the 3G iPhone will need to be activated in store. A 3rd party site citing a rumor but no official statement that this will be the case is insufficient to include a definitive statement that it will have to be activated in store. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.169.120 ( talk) 16:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Please can i know, when iphone will be launched in India, wat wil be the cost ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.131.247 ( talk) 18:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering why this article doesn't have a criticism section. I've read numerous reports on the iPhone's shortcomings, like lack of MMS and so forth, and these should be mentioned here to have a balanced article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grayda ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
The term iPhone was originally used in the screenplay for Johnny Mnemonic, written in 1991, by William Gibson. I wonder why this information does not appear as the first entry in the Patents/copyrights/trademarks section. And, I wonder why an instance in 2006 precedes the 1993 infogear trademark application.
Also, as an aside, I wonder why this page is uneditable. The disgruntled feelings of consumers are of historical importance, and make the iPhone's pricing of historical importance. That is, unless culture and cultural appeal is considered pointless to wikipedia. Allex Spires(zerooskul) 15:31, 29 June 2008
I Don't have a copy with me, so I couldn't tell you the page number, but a Thompson iPhone is one of the items Johnny needs when he and Jane break into the computer warehouse. Allex Spires(zerooskul) 12:19, June 30 2008
Well, it would be the first posting in pop-culture references, then. I'm kind of new. Allex Spires(zerooskul) 12:21, 30 June 2008
However, there is reason to expect that someone from Infogear, in 1993, might have been a friend or fan of the world's most popular computer-fiction author, and might have had access to it, then. And what do your personal opinions of the movie: "horrible", or the possibility: "no likelihood", have to do with the value of the information, itself? Allex Spires(zerooskul)12:34, June 30 2008
The iPhone used in Johnny Mnemonic is a phone-card attachment for a payphone that allows the payphone to act like a modern iPhone(minus the portability). And to quote the article: "Infogear's trademarks cover "communications terminals comprising computer hardware and software providing integrated telephone, data communications and personal computer functions"." So the object featured in the story does bear a remarkable resemblance what you consider to have no likelihood. Allex Spires(zerooskul) 14:51, June 30 2008
zerooskul... First, your theory on Infogear is just that - a theory. We can't allow theories to be added to Wikipedia, and then wait later on to see if someone can prove it. Second, you cannot use yourself as a source - as Wikipedia does not allow primary sources to be used. You must be able to cite a credible source, written by a credible contributor (i.e. someone adding this tidbit on IMDB would not count.) The source would need to be a quote from an Infogear or Cisco employee since they're the one who were allegedly inspired by the movie and applied for the trademark to iPhone. And third, you must ALSO prove that the people at Apple Inc. were inspired by the Linksys device and basically "stole" the name from Cisco. But there is more evidence out there to disprove all of this - as someone else indicated that the pattern used by Apple (placing "i" next to words like Pod, Work, Mac, etc.) would naturally crank out the word iPhone. Groink ( talk) 19:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay okay, we should just end this. I think everyone is in agreement that we can't add speculation without references due to the WP:NOR policy, and all that we're doing now is arguing semantics and running off-topic. No Johnny Mnemonic references in the article, no personal attacks from anyone, please keep it calm and let's all go back to arguing about other minutiae (iPhone photos, prices in the article, criticism sections...). -- Atama chat 20:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The page Jesus phone redirects to this article, but the article no where explains why. It doesn't even provide information in the introductory notes, that the phone is also sometimes referred to as the Jesus phone. A little etymology should be inserted and when that is done a note made in the introduction. -- Hebster ( talk) 06:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
...that, or the redirect should be deleted. JBsupreme ( talk) 06:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
For the moment this is just a draft, perhaps when it is finished it can be included in the main article? This is the pricing for individual customers. Corporate pricing can vary. Sometimes the iPhone is offered at different prices depending on which monthly plan you choose.
Massive table removed PER WP:NOPRICES
A couple of things are not 100% clear to me
I think this article in its current state looks like a very long advertisement for the iPhone (NB. Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#ADVERTISING). The criticisms and shortcomings of the device are hardly mentioned, and sprinkled around the article in a manner that one would need to spend half an hour reading through the article in order to establish what is not good about the phone. Interestingly, the good features of the phone are nicely laid out in a table on the right hand side, taking the reader a minute to go through them. The article even talks about the non-replaceable battery as if it was a nice little feature, rather than an annoyance intended to have the customer switch to a newer model after couple of years. Can't anything be done about this? 88.112.61.122 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
iPhone 3G purchasers will have an out as far as the 2 year contract goes, according to an InfoWorld article. Also, the original iPhone required a 2 year contract to purchase in the US (I remember I had to sign one to purchase my phone). As the InfoWeek article states, "this will mark the first time consumers in the United States are able to buy an iPhone without being tied down to a two-year contract." Some people were trying to insert language into the article that would mislead the reader into thinking that the iPhone 3G is the first phone to require such a contract, but not only is it not, it may be the first iPhone to not require it. -- Atama chat 20:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I love the new lead image, but for the fact that its months and months out of date. :/
I actually uploaded a replacement Image:IPhone_Black_BG.JPG on 21 June, but the thumbnail on the article page never updated.
I'm not opposed to leaving the new image that is currently there on the page, but a more recent one would be preferable, I think.
– ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 18:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
"...caused a worldwide overload of Apple's servers on July 13th, 2008, the day on which both the iPhone 3G and iPhone OS 2.0 updates were released." The date listed under this section is July 13th, should be July 11th I believe. Trevorep ( talk) 19:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the article before the name should be taken off, Apple never uses articles in front of its products’ names, it's plain "iMac", "iPhone", etc. (I suppose it gives the products more personality, remember: "Say hello to iMac", "Introducing iBook".) See iPod ("iPod is a popular brand of portable media players") for example. 83.199.82.153 ( talk) 15:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I keep reading about this phenomenon with regard to the iPhone but I've not had much luck figureing out exactly what it is, what it entails and why anyone would want to do it.
I'm quite surprised there is no mention of it in this article.
Contributions welcome! -- angrykeyboarder (a/k/a:Scott) ( talk) 11:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Atama chat 16:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Forgive me if this debate has already been settled, but shouldn't there be some mention of the iPhone shortage, either here or in the History of the iPhone article? Apple seems to have badly underestimated demand for the iPhone, and there have been points when entire states have been sold out of the product. That seems worthy of inclusion. If this has already been discussed, I'll just slink out quietly. :)-- Idols of Mud ( talk) 14:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
the lead image is really outdated...
it's the image of the old iPhone, and it's outdated...
I propose to replace the lead image with the picture of iPhone 3G...
The old lead image of the iPhone will move to other part of the article... Bentoman ( talk) 07:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
iPhone os 2.0 includes app store to download third party apps which can be downloaded using umts, edge or itunes on a mac or pc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.87.55.235 ( talk) 14:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to propose we setup two new categories. First, a category named iPhone to contain articles related to iPhone and iPhone technologies. Second, a category named iPhone applications to list any iPhone applications with articles. There are already several articles about iPhone applications such as App Store and Pandora radio. Many more are sure to follow as some of the iPhone applications gain notoriety.
Oh heck, I see that there is already a stub for an iPhone category which points to Apple Inc. mobile phones (which by the way I think is a terrible name). Still, I do see a need for an apps category. -- StuffOfInterest ( talk) 15:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
The fact that the iPhone 3G, unlike its predecessor and all previous iPods, no longer supports charging though the 12V pins on the Apple iPod dock connector, only the USB pins, causes incompatibility of the iPhone 3G with virtually all third-party accessories [1] A worthwhile detail to add? The Seventh Taylor ( talk) 18:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
According to Optus' official iPhone site and Apple's own site, Optus is a carrier for the iPhone in Australia. Could someone with higher power please add this?
Thanks, Jordsta ( talk) 08:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
'I Am Rich' iPhone Application Retails for $1,000
An amusing article about an iPhone app that costs $1000 and does nothing but demonstrate to people that you are wealthy enough to blow $1000 on nothing. Not sure if it would belong in this article, or the iPhone OS article, or nowhere, but thought I'd bring it up. -- Atama chat 00:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Aple IPhone is officially in Romania for about a week now. But unofficially, people have it for about 2 years, so can someone please modify the map where it says "Available Later" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.208.174.72 ( talk) 02:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Huh? two years? - it's only been out 14 months in total anyway? -- Phooto ( talk) 19:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
The reference for claiming iTunes works on Vista 64 bit doesn't list XP and Apple's site doesn't include XP 64 in current iTunes of 7.71 - Jmillenbach ( talk) 20:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
From today (22 08 2008), Iphone 3G is avaible first time in Poland from Era and Orange cellular network providers. -- 83.26.245.70 ( talk) 19:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I think we should start bringing up the increasing amounts of complaints that have been received about the iPhone 3G's reception, where a phone in the same carrier will get full signal and great speeds, while the iPhone will get nothing, switch over to EDGE, or be slow in general. It seems to be a hardware issue, and no one will own up to it. -- Dgcaste ( talk) 14:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
iPhone has a chip from Infineon that is defective and causes phone calls to drop. It's covered widely and should probably be included in the page somewhere near the middle / top. There is a class action lawsuit against Apple for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.80.102 ( talk) 23:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I am the person complaining about false advertising above, but I have not had any 3g issues with my iPhone. The problem is the networks, not the phone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.81.65 ( talk) 02:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
For full disclosure, this a response to User:Neon Sky, who added a "limitations" section to the article, posted here for community visibility and response. I'm not trying to be stiff or alienate you, NF, I'm trying to gently introduce you to the notion that, while (theoretically) anyone can edit Wikipedia, and its articles evolve over time, they are not haphazard or unplanned. We have been over this ground before as a "criticism" or "reception" section; look above or through the archives. Wikipedia is not a catalog or price guide; it is an encyclopedia. Nor is is a soapbox for you to vent personal complaints about the device. (I don't know if this is the case, but past experience suggests the possibility.) We mean to cover the subject by topic, not by good and bad. Drilling down to specifics, the issues with Flash are mentioned in the fourth paragraph of Internet connectivity. The iPhone does support MMS (in some countries), as mentioned in the last sentence of the texting section. Furthermore, all of your concerns are unsourced, which is unacceptable (theoretically, in the long term...). Anyway, I hope I haven't dissuaded you from contributing, and I'm glad you're jumping right in and being civil, but please understand that good faith contributions do not always help the encyclopedia. If you still have questions, please ask them below. HereToHelp ( talk to me) 04:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | → | Archive 15 |
Should probably get a mention in the see also section or incorporated into the article, since it is a perfectly legit article with lots of refs and is directly related to the iPhone. Don't know who removed it the second time Towel401 ( talk) 20:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Could someone create a subsection in the main Iphone article that details its pricing history? I think it would be helpful. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.218.208.49 ( talk) 12:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
There is an ongoing dispute on History of the iPhone (talk) subpage. It would be nice if some of the regular iPhone contributors could comment on this. I wish to see the best possible encyclopedia, but I realize that having a pointless edit war between two parties is not the way to accomplish it. -- KelleyCook ( talk) 20:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
There has been no news from Apple (or to my knowledge AT&T) that the 3G iPhone will need to be activated in store. A 3rd party site citing a rumor but no official statement that this will be the case is insufficient to include a definitive statement that it will have to be activated in store. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.169.120 ( talk) 16:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Please can i know, when iphone will be launched in India, wat wil be the cost ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.131.247 ( talk) 18:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering why this article doesn't have a criticism section. I've read numerous reports on the iPhone's shortcomings, like lack of MMS and so forth, and these should be mentioned here to have a balanced article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grayda ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
The term iPhone was originally used in the screenplay for Johnny Mnemonic, written in 1991, by William Gibson. I wonder why this information does not appear as the first entry in the Patents/copyrights/trademarks section. And, I wonder why an instance in 2006 precedes the 1993 infogear trademark application.
Also, as an aside, I wonder why this page is uneditable. The disgruntled feelings of consumers are of historical importance, and make the iPhone's pricing of historical importance. That is, unless culture and cultural appeal is considered pointless to wikipedia. Allex Spires(zerooskul) 15:31, 29 June 2008
I Don't have a copy with me, so I couldn't tell you the page number, but a Thompson iPhone is one of the items Johnny needs when he and Jane break into the computer warehouse. Allex Spires(zerooskul) 12:19, June 30 2008
Well, it would be the first posting in pop-culture references, then. I'm kind of new. Allex Spires(zerooskul) 12:21, 30 June 2008
However, there is reason to expect that someone from Infogear, in 1993, might have been a friend or fan of the world's most popular computer-fiction author, and might have had access to it, then. And what do your personal opinions of the movie: "horrible", or the possibility: "no likelihood", have to do with the value of the information, itself? Allex Spires(zerooskul)12:34, June 30 2008
The iPhone used in Johnny Mnemonic is a phone-card attachment for a payphone that allows the payphone to act like a modern iPhone(minus the portability). And to quote the article: "Infogear's trademarks cover "communications terminals comprising computer hardware and software providing integrated telephone, data communications and personal computer functions"." So the object featured in the story does bear a remarkable resemblance what you consider to have no likelihood. Allex Spires(zerooskul) 14:51, June 30 2008
zerooskul... First, your theory on Infogear is just that - a theory. We can't allow theories to be added to Wikipedia, and then wait later on to see if someone can prove it. Second, you cannot use yourself as a source - as Wikipedia does not allow primary sources to be used. You must be able to cite a credible source, written by a credible contributor (i.e. someone adding this tidbit on IMDB would not count.) The source would need to be a quote from an Infogear or Cisco employee since they're the one who were allegedly inspired by the movie and applied for the trademark to iPhone. And third, you must ALSO prove that the people at Apple Inc. were inspired by the Linksys device and basically "stole" the name from Cisco. But there is more evidence out there to disprove all of this - as someone else indicated that the pattern used by Apple (placing "i" next to words like Pod, Work, Mac, etc.) would naturally crank out the word iPhone. Groink ( talk) 19:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay okay, we should just end this. I think everyone is in agreement that we can't add speculation without references due to the WP:NOR policy, and all that we're doing now is arguing semantics and running off-topic. No Johnny Mnemonic references in the article, no personal attacks from anyone, please keep it calm and let's all go back to arguing about other minutiae (iPhone photos, prices in the article, criticism sections...). -- Atama chat 20:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The page Jesus phone redirects to this article, but the article no where explains why. It doesn't even provide information in the introductory notes, that the phone is also sometimes referred to as the Jesus phone. A little etymology should be inserted and when that is done a note made in the introduction. -- Hebster ( talk) 06:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
...that, or the redirect should be deleted. JBsupreme ( talk) 06:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
For the moment this is just a draft, perhaps when it is finished it can be included in the main article? This is the pricing for individual customers. Corporate pricing can vary. Sometimes the iPhone is offered at different prices depending on which monthly plan you choose.
Massive table removed PER WP:NOPRICES
A couple of things are not 100% clear to me
I think this article in its current state looks like a very long advertisement for the iPhone (NB. Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#ADVERTISING). The criticisms and shortcomings of the device are hardly mentioned, and sprinkled around the article in a manner that one would need to spend half an hour reading through the article in order to establish what is not good about the phone. Interestingly, the good features of the phone are nicely laid out in a table on the right hand side, taking the reader a minute to go through them. The article even talks about the non-replaceable battery as if it was a nice little feature, rather than an annoyance intended to have the customer switch to a newer model after couple of years. Can't anything be done about this? 88.112.61.122 ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
iPhone 3G purchasers will have an out as far as the 2 year contract goes, according to an InfoWorld article. Also, the original iPhone required a 2 year contract to purchase in the US (I remember I had to sign one to purchase my phone). As the InfoWeek article states, "this will mark the first time consumers in the United States are able to buy an iPhone without being tied down to a two-year contract." Some people were trying to insert language into the article that would mislead the reader into thinking that the iPhone 3G is the first phone to require such a contract, but not only is it not, it may be the first iPhone to not require it. -- Atama chat 20:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I love the new lead image, but for the fact that its months and months out of date. :/
I actually uploaded a replacement Image:IPhone_Black_BG.JPG on 21 June, but the thumbnail on the article page never updated.
I'm not opposed to leaving the new image that is currently there on the page, but a more recent one would be preferable, I think.
– ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 18:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
"...caused a worldwide overload of Apple's servers on July 13th, 2008, the day on which both the iPhone 3G and iPhone OS 2.0 updates were released." The date listed under this section is July 13th, should be July 11th I believe. Trevorep ( talk) 19:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the article before the name should be taken off, Apple never uses articles in front of its products’ names, it's plain "iMac", "iPhone", etc. (I suppose it gives the products more personality, remember: "Say hello to iMac", "Introducing iBook".) See iPod ("iPod is a popular brand of portable media players") for example. 83.199.82.153 ( talk) 15:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I keep reading about this phenomenon with regard to the iPhone but I've not had much luck figureing out exactly what it is, what it entails and why anyone would want to do it.
I'm quite surprised there is no mention of it in this article.
Contributions welcome! -- angrykeyboarder (a/k/a:Scott) ( talk) 11:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Atama chat 16:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Forgive me if this debate has already been settled, but shouldn't there be some mention of the iPhone shortage, either here or in the History of the iPhone article? Apple seems to have badly underestimated demand for the iPhone, and there have been points when entire states have been sold out of the product. That seems worthy of inclusion. If this has already been discussed, I'll just slink out quietly. :)-- Idols of Mud ( talk) 14:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
the lead image is really outdated...
it's the image of the old iPhone, and it's outdated...
I propose to replace the lead image with the picture of iPhone 3G...
The old lead image of the iPhone will move to other part of the article... Bentoman ( talk) 07:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
iPhone os 2.0 includes app store to download third party apps which can be downloaded using umts, edge or itunes on a mac or pc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.87.55.235 ( talk) 14:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to propose we setup two new categories. First, a category named iPhone to contain articles related to iPhone and iPhone technologies. Second, a category named iPhone applications to list any iPhone applications with articles. There are already several articles about iPhone applications such as App Store and Pandora radio. Many more are sure to follow as some of the iPhone applications gain notoriety.
Oh heck, I see that there is already a stub for an iPhone category which points to Apple Inc. mobile phones (which by the way I think is a terrible name). Still, I do see a need for an apps category. -- StuffOfInterest ( talk) 15:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
The fact that the iPhone 3G, unlike its predecessor and all previous iPods, no longer supports charging though the 12V pins on the Apple iPod dock connector, only the USB pins, causes incompatibility of the iPhone 3G with virtually all third-party accessories [1] A worthwhile detail to add? The Seventh Taylor ( talk) 18:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
According to Optus' official iPhone site and Apple's own site, Optus is a carrier for the iPhone in Australia. Could someone with higher power please add this?
Thanks, Jordsta ( talk) 08:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
'I Am Rich' iPhone Application Retails for $1,000
An amusing article about an iPhone app that costs $1000 and does nothing but demonstrate to people that you are wealthy enough to blow $1000 on nothing. Not sure if it would belong in this article, or the iPhone OS article, or nowhere, but thought I'd bring it up. -- Atama chat 00:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Aple IPhone is officially in Romania for about a week now. But unofficially, people have it for about 2 years, so can someone please modify the map where it says "Available Later" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.208.174.72 ( talk) 02:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Huh? two years? - it's only been out 14 months in total anyway? -- Phooto ( talk) 19:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
The reference for claiming iTunes works on Vista 64 bit doesn't list XP and Apple's site doesn't include XP 64 in current iTunes of 7.71 - Jmillenbach ( talk) 20:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
From today (22 08 2008), Iphone 3G is avaible first time in Poland from Era and Orange cellular network providers. -- 83.26.245.70 ( talk) 19:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I think we should start bringing up the increasing amounts of complaints that have been received about the iPhone 3G's reception, where a phone in the same carrier will get full signal and great speeds, while the iPhone will get nothing, switch over to EDGE, or be slow in general. It seems to be a hardware issue, and no one will own up to it. -- Dgcaste ( talk) 14:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
iPhone has a chip from Infineon that is defective and causes phone calls to drop. It's covered widely and should probably be included in the page somewhere near the middle / top. There is a class action lawsuit against Apple for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.80.102 ( talk) 23:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I am the person complaining about false advertising above, but I have not had any 3g issues with my iPhone. The problem is the networks, not the phone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.81.65 ( talk) 02:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
For full disclosure, this a response to User:Neon Sky, who added a "limitations" section to the article, posted here for community visibility and response. I'm not trying to be stiff or alienate you, NF, I'm trying to gently introduce you to the notion that, while (theoretically) anyone can edit Wikipedia, and its articles evolve over time, they are not haphazard or unplanned. We have been over this ground before as a "criticism" or "reception" section; look above or through the archives. Wikipedia is not a catalog or price guide; it is an encyclopedia. Nor is is a soapbox for you to vent personal complaints about the device. (I don't know if this is the case, but past experience suggests the possibility.) We mean to cover the subject by topic, not by good and bad. Drilling down to specifics, the issues with Flash are mentioned in the fourth paragraph of Internet connectivity. The iPhone does support MMS (in some countries), as mentioned in the last sentence of the texting section. Furthermore, all of your concerns are unsourced, which is unacceptable (theoretically, in the long term...). Anyway, I hope I haven't dissuaded you from contributing, and I'm glad you're jumping right in and being civil, but please understand that good faith contributions do not always help the encyclopedia. If you still have questions, please ask them below. HereToHelp ( talk to me) 04:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)