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What should be the first section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by World Flying ( talk • contribs) 18:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
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IPad mini → IPad Mini – "Mini" should be capitalized although it officially begins with a lowercase letter. Please see section "Trademarks that begin with a lowercase letter" at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks. Neo-Jay ( talk) 19:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
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Someone added the merge tag to this article. I don't think that makes sense, but we can discuss:
Is it worth mentioning that Steve Jobs said apple would never build a 7 inch tablet? -- WingtipvorteX PTT ∅ 14:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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IPad Mini → iPad mini – The product and trademark is iPad mini, not iPad Mini. The "m" is lowercase, consistently verifiable anywhere on the manufacturer's website. (e.g. iPad mini overview). Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks, we correctly use a lowercase "i" in the first word. Naming the article iPad mini would correct the second word, and since this is the actual product name it would also follow the principle of being the least surprising article title. -- Ds13 ( talk) 03:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
I should caution editors that there may be references that make it seem that something is globally available, that may not apply to the product in all markets. The clue comes whenever you use the US Apple store as a reference. Just because something is done or is available from the US store does not mean it will be available in the UK, Canadian, Australian or other localized Apple stores. This is why secondary sources should be used. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone link to a precedent for including that phrase? -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 23:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Forking the "excluding tax" thread above, because it's no longer about tax, but more about notability of price...
Hi Walter. I see your point. I was the one who deleted infobox pricing per WP:NOPRICE. If the price is to be considered notable, there needs to be mainstream media (not product/tech review sites) that are giving actual commentary on the price as it relates to what they think are competitive products. This justification may actually exist, and I suggest that if it does then it needs to live as prose in the main article. This is probably going to preclude a list of per-country pricing differences (not notable) and tax inclusions or exclusions per country (not notable) -- unless someone finds mainstream media discussion *that* difference! The notability of the iPad Mini's price here, if it exists at all, will not be because of minor pricing or tax differences between countries so those details should be excluded. We can look to the iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 articles as examples, where price is not an infobox item, but included in the article with justification. -- Ds13 ( talk) 15:13, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Not quite correct to call it a generation as the hardware is essentially the same as the second generation, while it's also not correct to call it a product as both the WiFi and 3G versions are distinct products. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:21, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
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Proposed merge: iPad Mini to iPad 2
So every computer that uses the Intel Core i7 processor is exactly the same because it uses the same operating system? The hardware is not totally different between the mini and the 2, but they're sufficiently different that it's essentially a new computer.
I closed the merge discussion and closed the merge as there is likely no hope for it to succeed. I reverted the closing of this discussion because the discussion should happen, but not as a merge discussion. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Sorry that I didn't see this discussion earlier (I was on a wikibreak), but GSK has basically taken the words right out of my mouth. The Anonymouse ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Why isn't the chip mentioned anywhere? That it's an A5 instead of an A6? -- Diblidabliduu ( talk) 05:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Did you guys decide what to do? As of now, there are two articles with the same content. I would make this page a redirect, but there is some disagreement. Frmorrison ( talk) 14:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
It should conform to the guidelines at WP:EL which states, at WP:ELOFFICIAL, "Official links are still subject to standard formatting requirements, such as rich media labeling and not placing links in the text of the article." So then we have to rely on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking which states, in the External links section, that shows that the entire link, along with description, should be inside the link. So if the rest of the Apple product articles are doing it wrong, we can fix them too, but stating that they're all doing it wrong is no reason to do it wrong here, and definitely not an argument to edit war over. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
[[http://apple.com/product_url Product Name]] page at [[Apple]]
(or similar) I would agree. In this case you have to deal with two links. That also happens if you use a language icon or other entries with multiple links. We're talking about a single link though. What you have shown is [[http://apple.com/product_url Product Name]] – official site
, which is not correct per my reading of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking even though other article use that.
Walter Görlitz (
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23:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
As reported there -- MOS/Linking : Official site question-- this exchange concerns WP:External links, and the latter page is a content guideline whose hatnote points to MOS/Linking only for internal links.
This exchange also concerns use of template {{ official}}, whose documentation says of the linkname, "it should not include the article subject's name as the reader reasonably expects that all external links pertain to the subject."
For official webpages that match article subjects, I always follow the latter maxim and use {official} with URL only, thus the default linkname "official website":
Along this line, this exchange (as reported there) properly concerns only how to link the official iPad Mini webpage in another article --perhaps about a competing product, or predecessor or successor product, or the biography of a developer. Offhand I suggest using both proper names there, displaying essentially:
-- P64 ( talk) 20:19, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Rather than block anybody I have protected the article for one week. I now expect the editors to whom the changes are important to thrash it out here and achieve a consensus with the help of other editors. I will be happy to facilitate this process if necessary. -- John ( talk) 22:18, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I've proposed redirecting iPad Mini (1st generation) back to this article. The discussion can be found at Talk:iPad Mini (1st generation)#Redirect back to iPad Mini. - Josh ( talk | contribs) 15:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
It appears that the intent of the info box is to be inclusive of all generations (like the info box on iPad). However, it needs work in several areas:
There may be more problems. This is just what I noticed at a quick look. -- Ed Brey ( talk) 19:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Is the final section about "criticism of setup process" appropriate to include? I cleaned up the grammar but the three references to "criticism" link to pages about how to set up the iPad Mini and to one discussion on the Apple iPad forums about how to set up without internet or a computer; the "criticism" just seems to be someone's complaint. Thoughts? Eridax700 ( talk) 23:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
For example, if you look at the articles for the Ipad mini 3 and 4, the dates they give are different from the timelline's dates for those products by one year.
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Why iPad Mini? Most of the references call it iPad mini and, apparently, Apple also calls it iPad mini. Just wondering. Leschnei ( talk) 14:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
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Currently the latest iOS is shown for the iPad mini 4, not iPadOS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.140.171.21 ( talk) 14:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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What should be the first section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by World Flying ( talk • contribs) 18:45, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
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IPad mini → IPad Mini – "Mini" should be capitalized although it officially begins with a lowercase letter. Please see section "Trademarks that begin with a lowercase letter" at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks. Neo-Jay ( talk) 19:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Someone added the merge tag to this article. I don't think that makes sense, but we can discuss:
Is it worth mentioning that Steve Jobs said apple would never build a 7 inch tablet? -- WingtipvorteX PTT ∅ 14:59, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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Please do, as we had vandalism recently.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
IPad Mini → iPad mini – The product and trademark is iPad mini, not iPad Mini. The "m" is lowercase, consistently verifiable anywhere on the manufacturer's website. (e.g. iPad mini overview). Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks, we correctly use a lowercase "i" in the first word. Naming the article iPad mini would correct the second word, and since this is the actual product name it would also follow the principle of being the least surprising article title. -- Ds13 ( talk) 03:01, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
I should caution editors that there may be references that make it seem that something is globally available, that may not apply to the product in all markets. The clue comes whenever you use the US Apple store as a reference. Just because something is done or is available from the US store does not mean it will be available in the UK, Canadian, Australian or other localized Apple stores. This is why secondary sources should be used. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 20:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Can anyone link to a precedent for including that phrase? -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 23:28, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Forking the "excluding tax" thread above, because it's no longer about tax, but more about notability of price...
Hi Walter. I see your point. I was the one who deleted infobox pricing per WP:NOPRICE. If the price is to be considered notable, there needs to be mainstream media (not product/tech review sites) that are giving actual commentary on the price as it relates to what they think are competitive products. This justification may actually exist, and I suggest that if it does then it needs to live as prose in the main article. This is probably going to preclude a list of per-country pricing differences (not notable) and tax inclusions or exclusions per country (not notable) -- unless someone finds mainstream media discussion *that* difference! The notability of the iPad Mini's price here, if it exists at all, will not be because of minor pricing or tax differences between countries so those details should be excluded. We can look to the iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 articles as examples, where price is not an infobox item, but included in the article with justification. -- Ds13 ( talk) 15:13, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Not quite correct to call it a generation as the hardware is essentially the same as the second generation, while it's also not correct to call it a product as both the WiFi and 3G versions are distinct products. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:21, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Proposed merge: iPad Mini to iPad 2
So every computer that uses the Intel Core i7 processor is exactly the same because it uses the same operating system? The hardware is not totally different between the mini and the 2, but they're sufficiently different that it's essentially a new computer.
I closed the merge discussion and closed the merge as there is likely no hope for it to succeed. I reverted the closing of this discussion because the discussion should happen, but not as a merge discussion. -- Walter Görlitz ( talk) 17:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Sorry that I didn't see this discussion earlier (I was on a wikibreak), but GSK has basically taken the words right out of my mouth. The Anonymouse ( talk • contribs) 00:23, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Why isn't the chip mentioned anywhere? That it's an A5 instead of an A6? -- Diblidabliduu ( talk) 05:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Did you guys decide what to do? As of now, there are two articles with the same content. I would make this page a redirect, but there is some disagreement. Frmorrison ( talk) 14:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
It should conform to the guidelines at WP:EL which states, at WP:ELOFFICIAL, "Official links are still subject to standard formatting requirements, such as rich media labeling and not placing links in the text of the article." So then we have to rely on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking which states, in the External links section, that shows that the entire link, along with description, should be inside the link. So if the rest of the Apple product articles are doing it wrong, we can fix them too, but stating that they're all doing it wrong is no reason to do it wrong here, and definitely not an argument to edit war over. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 22:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
[[http://apple.com/product_url Product Name]] page at [[Apple]]
(or similar) I would agree. In this case you have to deal with two links. That also happens if you use a language icon or other entries with multiple links. We're talking about a single link though. What you have shown is [[http://apple.com/product_url Product Name]] – official site
, which is not correct per my reading of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking even though other article use that.
Walter Görlitz (
talk)
23:48, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
As reported there -- MOS/Linking : Official site question-- this exchange concerns WP:External links, and the latter page is a content guideline whose hatnote points to MOS/Linking only for internal links.
This exchange also concerns use of template {{ official}}, whose documentation says of the linkname, "it should not include the article subject's name as the reader reasonably expects that all external links pertain to the subject."
For official webpages that match article subjects, I always follow the latter maxim and use {official} with URL only, thus the default linkname "official website":
Along this line, this exchange (as reported there) properly concerns only how to link the official iPad Mini webpage in another article --perhaps about a competing product, or predecessor or successor product, or the biography of a developer. Offhand I suggest using both proper names there, displaying essentially:
-- P64 ( talk) 20:19, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Rather than block anybody I have protected the article for one week. I now expect the editors to whom the changes are important to thrash it out here and achieve a consensus with the help of other editors. I will be happy to facilitate this process if necessary. -- John ( talk) 22:18, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I've proposed redirecting iPad Mini (1st generation) back to this article. The discussion can be found at Talk:iPad Mini (1st generation)#Redirect back to iPad Mini. - Josh ( talk | contribs) 15:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
It appears that the intent of the info box is to be inclusive of all generations (like the info box on iPad). However, it needs work in several areas:
There may be more problems. This is just what I noticed at a quick look. -- Ed Brey ( talk) 19:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Is the final section about "criticism of setup process" appropriate to include? I cleaned up the grammar but the three references to "criticism" link to pages about how to set up the iPad Mini and to one discussion on the Apple iPad forums about how to set up without internet or a computer; the "criticism" just seems to be someone's complaint. Thoughts? Eridax700 ( talk) 23:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
For example, if you look at the articles for the Ipad mini 3 and 4, the dates they give are different from the timelline's dates for those products by one year.
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Why iPad Mini? Most of the references call it iPad mini and, apparently, Apple also calls it iPad mini. Just wondering. Leschnei ( talk) 14:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
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Currently the latest iOS is shown for the iPad mini 4, not iPadOS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.140.171.21 ( talk) 14:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
A discussion about the difference between advertised and actual storage capacities of this device is taking place at the MOSNUM talk page. Interested editors are invited to comment there. Dondervogel 2 ( talk) 00:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)