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The info in the findings section about whether or not there is a liquid ocean is at odds with the info on the main Titan page.
I made some minimal changes to help resolve this to some degree and added a reference to the "Lakes of Titan" article, while preserving some mention of early thinking on the issue. A more comprehensive revision is really required, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.242.91 ( talk) 00:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
"it will be only the second time in history (a Venera-13 recording being the first) that audible sounds from another planetary body have been recorded."
This thing about Venera-13 sounds very interesting but there's nothing about it on the (quite substantial) V-13 page. I would add it there but a (very) quick google search reveals nothing. Anyone have a good source for this?
Haukurth 14:09, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Sound from the landing can be heard on the ESA page: [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.10.251.236 ( talk) 11:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Is the "first image released" ( Image:050114huygens1.jpg) for real? There's no mention of it at ESA or JPL, and the image has no source given. -- Lancevortex 20:25, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
If anyone is interested here is a quick and dirty precised transcription of Claudio Sollazzo audio report (mp3 2.7MB). I assume Cassini_orbiter_downlink_of_huygens_probe_timeline.jpg A and B boxes refer to "Chain A" and "Chain B" that Claudio talks about?
Claudio Sollazzo is head of Huygens operations unit, who has been babysitting the probe for many years, from ESA, from GPL. As Jean Pierre (sp?) has announced we have seen data from at least the first half hour of descent. During entry phase. Parachute deployed 15 seconds earlier than prediction, very close to expected profile. We are waiting to see the History data, the telemetry that was recorded on the probe before even the back cover came off so we can reconstruct the atmospheric entry phase.
From Chain B batteries are Ok, computer, software and instrument states are all good. Internal probe temperature was 25 degress C, while outside was -180 degrees C, so our instruments were operating in a mild temperature. This explains the long life of the probe on the the ground.
The spin rate started at 9.5 revolutions per minute. and by the time we left it was 4.3 revolutions per minute. The variations told us that the third parachute was deployed correctly. When we left the probe was at 50 km altitude, and the radar altimeter was to be locked (?).
We have little information from Chain A, which we are investigating. The chains are totally independent, meaning there are effectively two independent probe, within the same housing - there is full redundancy.
The counter of lost packets was zero, meaning no packets were lost during the probe's transmission. Applause.
Audio ends at this point. - Wikibob | Talk 21:01, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)
Evil Monkey → Talk 00:22, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)
Information about parachute from [4]. See [5] for copyright status.
I'm not very happy with how this looks when rendered on narrow browser windows. Can someone help with the picture placement? -- Mmm 07:46, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
Given its distance from the Sun, plus cloud cover, the light intensity in Titan's atmosphere must be very low. Does anyone know how Huygens managed to capture such clear images - especially during descent, when speed of craft plus spinning would seem to rule out long exposure times ? Gandalf61 09:53, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
I've changed the UTC times of the atmospheric to 10:13 UTC and that of landing to 12:43, using the Central European Time times from ESA (UTC+1). I'm now dubious of ESA's press release timings, so my change may need to be reverted! Here is a cross reference of the times various sources quote.
Event ESA NASA Atmospheric Entry 11:13 CET =10:13 UTC Earth detects signal ....................... 2:25 a.m. PST =10:25 UTC? Green Bank detects 11:25 CET =10:25 UTC? Landing 13:34 CET =12:34 UTC 4:34 a.m. PST =12:34 UTC first data rxd 17:19 CET =16:19 UTC 8:19 a.m. PST =16:19 UTC
I'm now confused by both ESA and NASA releases, are they using a form of Spacecraft Event Time, where they adjust the times back to what they would be at Titan? If the probe enters at 10:13 UTC, then how can its radio signal reach Earth to be detected at 10:34 UTC?
Also, I would now like to check the transit times listed on Cassini-Huygens_timeline, so does anyone know how these were calculated? - Wikibob | Talk 14:36, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
If this had inline references, this could easily became a FA. Anybody would be willing to fix this?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:34, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
No way is this near-ready for FA. Portions are even still written in the future tense. It needs a recap of the actual scientific findings, which should all be available a year later. Fawcett5 05:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Please STOP reverting to your heavily edited titan surface image from huygens and claiming it is true color! It is NOT ture color and all you did was contrast enhance the ESA image. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the image to be true color. DISR only has a black and white imager and a visible and infrared spectrometer. The spectrum taken just before landing shows predominately orange light and that was used to EDIT the image so it appears orange too [6]. IT IS NOT A TRUE COLOR IMAGE and your continual claiming so is completely factually incorrect.-- Deglr6328 21:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
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I like the two articles in Space Science Review from 2002 and I will add the first rsult references from Nature 2005 in short time!! Stone 21:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Please clean up and add links to the first few paragraphs. I also don't think the phrase "for lack of a better word" is best used in an encyclopedia. 82.25.175.134 18:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The first sentence in the last paragraph reads "The Huygens Mission like no other space mission before could benefit from amateur contributions." This is false. What about the Cassini images, or the MER photos? They are also public. The sentence needs revising, maybe to "The Huygens mission benefited significantly from amateur contributions? I'll change it in a week if no one objects.-- Planetary 21:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
The section on this states the following "The Huygens SSP was developed by the Planetary and Space Sciences Research Institute (PSSRI) of the UK Open University and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory Space Science Department under the direction of Professor John Zarnecki." Can I ask where this has come from as the work on the SSP was done at the University of Kent under the direction of John Zarnecki who didn't move to the Open University (along with most of the rest of the Space Science Department) until 2000, well after the launch of the probe. Ben W Bell talk 09:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
The overview makes a reference to "1200 million kilometres". This is an incorect way to display an SI unit, especially one of a scientific nature. Would anyone object to me changing it to "1.2 terametres"? -- Ceaser 21:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I came here to read about the possibility of terrestrial bacterial contamination of Titan. I found an ESA source commenting on it, perhaps it can have a place in this article; http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMAO72VQUD_2.html Rip-Saw 17:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
There should have been a CD-ROM within the Huygens. Does anyone remember this? They collected some messages via Internet back in 1996 (or something) for the CD. Urvabara ( talk) 13:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the CD-ROM in question was installed on the main bus (the Cassini of Cassini-Huygens) and has burned up along with the orbiter. Here's the link: http://www.planetary.org/get-involved/messages/namesinspace.html#cassini Swilliamrex ( talk) 17:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)swilliamrex
"when Huygens was to descend to Titan, it would have accelerated relative to Cassini, causing its signal to be Doppler-shifted" - this is not quite correct, it's not acceleration that causes Doppler effect, it's the relative velocity along the axis separating the two spacecraft. -- Nasorenga ( talk) 15:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The caption on the photo in the infobox currently reads, “A scale replica of the probe, 1.3 metres across”. I assume it means that the replica is the same size as the probe, but if so, why use the term “scale”, which generally means reduced in size but in such a way as to maintain proportions. -- Mathew5000 ( talk) 19:22, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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When describing the data chain from the probe to the earth, I find the use of the word ground confusing. From the article:
The PSE included the electronics necessary to track the probe, to recover the data gathered during its descent, and to process and deliver the data to the orbiter, from which it transmitted or "downlinked" to the ground.
I think that in this case, it is not immediately clear that "ground" refers to the Earth, as we are talking about a probe that will land on the ground of Titan. And when I'm flying above another celestial body, (which I am in my head while reading the article) the word ground makes me think of that body. I wouldn't consider myself to be "above the Earth", even though technically, I always am. I know that this "ground" term has a special meaning in NASA jargon, but I don't think it's clear, especially to non-Americans. I think it should be changed from "ground" to "Earth".
Surface photo description states: In situ image of Titan's surface from Huygens—the only images from a planetary surface beyond Mars which doesn't seem to be true, as Venera 13 provided photos too. Moreover, I can't say that Titan's surface is exactly planetary, but that's only matter of definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.69.52.12 ( talk) 18:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
How many images were transmitted from the surface? Disappointingly, the article has only one such image. Where can I go to see more? 174.24.42.240 ( talk) 22:53, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I have commented out a reference in the text to the image of the landing site, as the image was deleted in June. However, as it was deleted for having no source when it did actually give a source I have asked for the image to be restored: user talk:Stefan2#File:Huygens landing site.jpg. If/when the image is restored I will restore it, and the text I commented out, to the article. Thryduulf ( talk) 21:03, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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The info in the findings section about whether or not there is a liquid ocean is at odds with the info on the main Titan page.
I made some minimal changes to help resolve this to some degree and added a reference to the "Lakes of Titan" article, while preserving some mention of early thinking on the issue. A more comprehensive revision is really required, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.242.91 ( talk) 00:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
"it will be only the second time in history (a Venera-13 recording being the first) that audible sounds from another planetary body have been recorded."
This thing about Venera-13 sounds very interesting but there's nothing about it on the (quite substantial) V-13 page. I would add it there but a (very) quick google search reveals nothing. Anyone have a good source for this?
Haukurth 14:09, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Sound from the landing can be heard on the ESA page: [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.10.251.236 ( talk) 11:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Is the "first image released" ( Image:050114huygens1.jpg) for real? There's no mention of it at ESA or JPL, and the image has no source given. -- Lancevortex 20:25, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
If anyone is interested here is a quick and dirty precised transcription of Claudio Sollazzo audio report (mp3 2.7MB). I assume Cassini_orbiter_downlink_of_huygens_probe_timeline.jpg A and B boxes refer to "Chain A" and "Chain B" that Claudio talks about?
Claudio Sollazzo is head of Huygens operations unit, who has been babysitting the probe for many years, from ESA, from GPL. As Jean Pierre (sp?) has announced we have seen data from at least the first half hour of descent. During entry phase. Parachute deployed 15 seconds earlier than prediction, very close to expected profile. We are waiting to see the History data, the telemetry that was recorded on the probe before even the back cover came off so we can reconstruct the atmospheric entry phase.
From Chain B batteries are Ok, computer, software and instrument states are all good. Internal probe temperature was 25 degress C, while outside was -180 degrees C, so our instruments were operating in a mild temperature. This explains the long life of the probe on the the ground.
The spin rate started at 9.5 revolutions per minute. and by the time we left it was 4.3 revolutions per minute. The variations told us that the third parachute was deployed correctly. When we left the probe was at 50 km altitude, and the radar altimeter was to be locked (?).
We have little information from Chain A, which we are investigating. The chains are totally independent, meaning there are effectively two independent probe, within the same housing - there is full redundancy.
The counter of lost packets was zero, meaning no packets were lost during the probe's transmission. Applause.
Audio ends at this point. - Wikibob | Talk 21:01, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)
Evil Monkey → Talk 00:22, Jan 15, 2005 (UTC)
Information about parachute from [4]. See [5] for copyright status.
I'm not very happy with how this looks when rendered on narrow browser windows. Can someone help with the picture placement? -- Mmm 07:46, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
Given its distance from the Sun, plus cloud cover, the light intensity in Titan's atmosphere must be very low. Does anyone know how Huygens managed to capture such clear images - especially during descent, when speed of craft plus spinning would seem to rule out long exposure times ? Gandalf61 09:53, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
I've changed the UTC times of the atmospheric to 10:13 UTC and that of landing to 12:43, using the Central European Time times from ESA (UTC+1). I'm now dubious of ESA's press release timings, so my change may need to be reverted! Here is a cross reference of the times various sources quote.
Event ESA NASA Atmospheric Entry 11:13 CET =10:13 UTC Earth detects signal ....................... 2:25 a.m. PST =10:25 UTC? Green Bank detects 11:25 CET =10:25 UTC? Landing 13:34 CET =12:34 UTC 4:34 a.m. PST =12:34 UTC first data rxd 17:19 CET =16:19 UTC 8:19 a.m. PST =16:19 UTC
I'm now confused by both ESA and NASA releases, are they using a form of Spacecraft Event Time, where they adjust the times back to what they would be at Titan? If the probe enters at 10:13 UTC, then how can its radio signal reach Earth to be detected at 10:34 UTC?
Also, I would now like to check the transit times listed on Cassini-Huygens_timeline, so does anyone know how these were calculated? - Wikibob | Talk 14:36, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
If this had inline references, this could easily became a FA. Anybody would be willing to fix this?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:34, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
No way is this near-ready for FA. Portions are even still written in the future tense. It needs a recap of the actual scientific findings, which should all be available a year later. Fawcett5 05:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Please STOP reverting to your heavily edited titan surface image from huygens and claiming it is true color! It is NOT ture color and all you did was contrast enhance the ESA image. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the image to be true color. DISR only has a black and white imager and a visible and infrared spectrometer. The spectrum taken just before landing shows predominately orange light and that was used to EDIT the image so it appears orange too [6]. IT IS NOT A TRUE COLOR IMAGE and your continual claiming so is completely factually incorrect.-- Deglr6328 21:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Azimuth Nadir Spectral Spectral Spatial Pixel Downward-Looking Instrument Range Range Range (nm) Scale (/pixel) Scale (/pixel) Format Visible Spectrometer (DLVS) 4° 10-50° 480-960 2.4 nm 2° 20 x 200
I like the two articles in Space Science Review from 2002 and I will add the first rsult references from Nature 2005 in short time!! Stone 21:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Please clean up and add links to the first few paragraphs. I also don't think the phrase "for lack of a better word" is best used in an encyclopedia. 82.25.175.134 18:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The first sentence in the last paragraph reads "The Huygens Mission like no other space mission before could benefit from amateur contributions." This is false. What about the Cassini images, or the MER photos? They are also public. The sentence needs revising, maybe to "The Huygens mission benefited significantly from amateur contributions? I'll change it in a week if no one objects.-- Planetary 21:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
The section on this states the following "The Huygens SSP was developed by the Planetary and Space Sciences Research Institute (PSSRI) of the UK Open University and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory Space Science Department under the direction of Professor John Zarnecki." Can I ask where this has come from as the work on the SSP was done at the University of Kent under the direction of John Zarnecki who didn't move to the Open University (along with most of the rest of the Space Science Department) until 2000, well after the launch of the probe. Ben W Bell talk 09:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
The overview makes a reference to "1200 million kilometres". This is an incorect way to display an SI unit, especially one of a scientific nature. Would anyone object to me changing it to "1.2 terametres"? -- Ceaser 21:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I came here to read about the possibility of terrestrial bacterial contamination of Titan. I found an ESA source commenting on it, perhaps it can have a place in this article; http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMAO72VQUD_2.html Rip-Saw 17:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
There should have been a CD-ROM within the Huygens. Does anyone remember this? They collected some messages via Internet back in 1996 (or something) for the CD. Urvabara ( talk) 13:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the CD-ROM in question was installed on the main bus (the Cassini of Cassini-Huygens) and has burned up along with the orbiter. Here's the link: http://www.planetary.org/get-involved/messages/namesinspace.html#cassini Swilliamrex ( talk) 17:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)swilliamrex
"when Huygens was to descend to Titan, it would have accelerated relative to Cassini, causing its signal to be Doppler-shifted" - this is not quite correct, it's not acceleration that causes Doppler effect, it's the relative velocity along the axis separating the two spacecraft. -- Nasorenga ( talk) 15:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The caption on the photo in the infobox currently reads, “A scale replica of the probe, 1.3 metres across”. I assume it means that the replica is the same size as the probe, but if so, why use the term “scale”, which generally means reduced in size but in such a way as to maintain proportions. -- Mathew5000 ( talk) 19:22, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
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When describing the data chain from the probe to the earth, I find the use of the word ground confusing. From the article:
The PSE included the electronics necessary to track the probe, to recover the data gathered during its descent, and to process and deliver the data to the orbiter, from which it transmitted or "downlinked" to the ground.
I think that in this case, it is not immediately clear that "ground" refers to the Earth, as we are talking about a probe that will land on the ground of Titan. And when I'm flying above another celestial body, (which I am in my head while reading the article) the word ground makes me think of that body. I wouldn't consider myself to be "above the Earth", even though technically, I always am. I know that this "ground" term has a special meaning in NASA jargon, but I don't think it's clear, especially to non-Americans. I think it should be changed from "ground" to "Earth".
Surface photo description states: In situ image of Titan's surface from Huygens—the only images from a planetary surface beyond Mars which doesn't seem to be true, as Venera 13 provided photos too. Moreover, I can't say that Titan's surface is exactly planetary, but that's only matter of definition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.69.52.12 ( talk) 18:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
How many images were transmitted from the surface? Disappointingly, the article has only one such image. Where can I go to see more? 174.24.42.240 ( talk) 22:53, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I have commented out a reference in the text to the image of the landing site, as the image was deleted in June. However, as it was deleted for having no source when it did actually give a source I have asked for the image to be restored: user talk:Stefan2#File:Huygens landing site.jpg. If/when the image is restored I will restore it, and the text I commented out, to the article. Thryduulf ( talk) 21:03, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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The article is very slim on the actual science. For example, what is the atmosphere actually composed of? Nitrogen? Something else? Any comments about isotopes? What was the wind profile, in the end? The temperature profile? How opaque were the clouds? How much aerosol was there, and what was it made of? 67.198.37.17 ( talk) 17:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
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