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For the love of Jimbo, please be sure to upload over the old one instead of creating a new image. We don't need to leave old forecasts littered in the image namespace like some people did last year. -- Cyrius| ✎ 7 July 2005 22:37 (UTC)
www.wunderground.com has a updated Track image. -- Wimtennis2005 8 July 2005 18:30 (UTC)
Can a non-admin write over an existing image? Because NOAA has released a new track image (5PM EDT) and the one we have is now outdated (11AM EDT). -- Titoxd 02:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
--- Maybe we should use "swath" image when the storms fizzle out. I'd upload it myself but I don't want to log in on this computer. 69.216.140.110
Cyrius, the reason I put that link back was to have a reference link when the storm was over saying "look, everyone was evacuated". I'm learning from the failed nomination of Ivan and trying to keep as many reference links as possible. However, since NOAA didn't issue the evac order - the state or county did, presumably - then that's not the best option. So yeah, no problem with removing it, I just wanted to make it clear I wasn't being belligerent. :)
Now, on the storm, here's snippets from the latest advisory:
HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 45 MILES... 75 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 140 MILES...220 KM. SANTIAGO DE CUBA RECENTLY REPORTED SUSTAINED WINDS OF 58 MPH WITH A GUST TO 80 MPH.
DENNIS IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES OVER HAITI...JAMAICA...CUBA...AND THE CAYMAN ISLANDS. ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 15 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE OVER THE SIERRA MAESTRA MOUNTAINS OF SOUTHEASTERN CUBA. THESE RAINS COULD PRODUCE LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES.
STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 5 TO 7 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS... ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...ARE LIKELY IN AREAS OF ONSHORE WINDS ALONG THE SOUTHEAST COAST OF CUBA EAST OF CABO CRUZ. A MUCH LARGER STORM SURGE OF NEAR 20 FEET IS POSSIBLE ALONG THE SOUTHERN COAST OF CUBA WEST OF CABO CRUZ. A STORM SURGE OF 3 TO 6 FEET IS POSSIBLE IN THE LOWER FLORIDA KEYS. REPEATING THE 8 PM EDT POSITION...19.4 N... 77.1 W. MOVEMENT TOWARD...NORTHWEST NEAR 15 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 951 MB.
-- Golbez July 7, 2005 23:49 (UTC)
It is very unusual to have such a strong hurricane so early in the hurricane season (I mean, we're drawing comparisons to Hurricane Audrey 48 years ago!) -- in my spare time I'd write more about the reasons that Dennis is so strong, but I tend to be very wordy. Someone with a better historical perspective want to take a shot at this? :) -- -Rob 8 July 2005 17:28 (UTC)
Is the image found here [1] useful for our purposes? As in which areas could potentially be affected by the storm? -- Titoxd 9 July 2005 07:12 (UTC)
Note that there are a lot of variables included, since we don't know what the death toll, damage figures (although I am guessing in the billions), maximum winds, date of death (when it dissipates or is no longer causing damage) or the exact territories affected (that list is based on the current track but can be changed).
CrazyC83 8 July 2005 00:28 (UTC)
I've seen better pictures than that. OSEI has a good one [2] the one on the NRLMY site is not bad. [3]
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 8 July 2005 17:18 (UTC)
Fifteen provinces, twelve under hurricane warning. They should just go ahead and get the other three, yeesh. -- Cyrius| ✎ 8 July 2005 02:50 (UTC)
DENNIS MAY HAVE UNDERGONE AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE DURING THE AFTERNOON...AS THE 9 N MI WIDE EYE SEEN EARLIER IS NOW 16 TO 20 N MI WIDE. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE 950 MB CENTRAL PRESSURE IS AN ESTIMATE AND COULD WELL BE TOO HIGH.
The 11 am discussion says this:
THE LATEST RADAR DATA ALSO SUGGESTS THAT DENNIS MAY BE STARTING AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE...WHICH WOULD SUGGEST THAT DENNIS HAS LIKELY PEAKED IN INTENSITY.
It appears that we may not have a cat 5 hurricane after all, although I guess it's still possible if it stays in the Gulf long enough. bob rulz July 8, 2005 15:26 (UTC)
I doubt it will become a Category 5, this is no Ivan, but it could come *amned close. 150 mph winds with the possibility of strengthening further! We may not have an Ivan, but we could have a Floyd.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 8 July 2005 17:37 (UTC)
Speaking of the Weather Underground (it's way up there on the page), they generate a map that shows the tracks of storms of similar strength in similar places in the same month. For Dennis, there aren't any. None. -- Cyrius| ✎ 8 July 2005 19:45 (UTC)
For any admins out there, Image:Dennis 2005 Track.gif needs to be updated regularly by you. Since it is on the mainpage, it has been protected. Thanks. -- tomf688( talk) July 8, 2005 21:35 (UTC)
Still three days until landfall, so no rush. I'd recommend bravely running away if Dennis is looking like it is now or stronger in two days. -- tomf688( talk) July 9, 2005 03:46 (UTC)
To quote the Mobile NWS office:
It would probably have a little more impact if it didn't have the ellipses that seem so pervasive in NWS writing. -- Cyrius| ✎ 9 July 2005 05:55 (UTC)
Dennis track image needs to be unprotected, since it is no longer on the frontpage. Thanks. -- tomf688( talk) 23:18, July 9, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, Cyrius. First time dabbling in imagery; I'll be more careful next time -- though I can see that a page could well get image heavy; certainly there's some good middle ground?
--
Baylink 9 July 2005 17:53 (UTC)
I'm curious about something. Should Dennis make landfall, weaken to a tropical depression or weak tropical storm, and interact with another system and reintensify, could it be reclassified as a hurricane after the interaction on land if winds of greater than 74 mph are recorded (or upgraded back to a tropical storm if winds of greater than 39 mph are recorded later)? CrazyC83 23:57, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
Count on me for Pensacola pictures. It might be a while but I'm going to take them starting Monday. I'm staying in town with my family...wish me luck! Mike H (Talking is hot) 02:39, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
I'm gonna have my digital going too, though it might be a day or two before they make it online for obvious reasons. Donovan Ravenhull 08:57, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Looks like I won't get much in the way of good pictures. The eye's going over Santa Rosa County and Navarre Beach, and I'm near the state line, so I think we're getting the good side of it. Mike H (Talking is hot) 20:08, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
The hour of landfall draws near. Power lines will fall, homes will be destroyed and people will die. Nature has total control. At this point, you can do nothing. Floridians seem to have gotten use to that feeling. I think Leonardo Di Caprio summerized this moment best when he made one of the greatest understatements in movie history: he's handcuffed to a pipe in the bowels of the sinking Titanic. Water is creeping up the porthole and he says: "This could be bad."
By the way, it's 1 am here in Atlanta. I'm running on adrenaline right now. Good night.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 05:27, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
NHC is saying the intensification trend has ceased, and Dennis is going to drop a bit in strength before landfall. -- Cyrius| ✎ 15:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
A small strip of colder water lines the shoreline of the Gulf coast. That strip is like a barrier that the hurricane must use a lot of energy to cross. This cold water infiltrates the warm core of the hurricane, causing it to weaken. This is the case with both Dennis and Ivan. How great of an effect it will have on Dennis I don't know. Opal weakened before reaching this strip of cold water and it was moving too fast for it to have much of an effect. I think that a layer of dry air got entrained in the eywall right at an eyewall replacement cycle. This caused the eye to deteriorate and the storm to weaken. Eloise was moving at a similar speed to that of Opal and was coming in from the same angle. The cold water had little or no effect on the storm.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 17:31, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Well, Dennis has made landfall as a Category 3 hurricane about midway betweeen Pensacola Beach and Navarre, Florida. I've uploaded radar images of landfall from the Northwest Florida and Mobile radar stations. -- Goobergunch| ? 19:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Zero Hour has arrived.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 19:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Guys, bear in mind that being less destructive than Ivan is not hard to be. Ivan caused 15 billion dollars in damage. Only one hurricane caused more damage than that, and his name is Andrew. Isabel caused $3 billion in damage and still got retired. By saying this storm wasn't as bad as Ivan is like saying it wasn't record-breaking. It's still a big mess and it's only July.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 04:22, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
They both had 105 knot sustained winds at landfall.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 18:55, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
And I'm not gonna even pretend I have the skills to do the rewrite. But it is time to transform this to a 'what did happen' article. Donovan Ravenhull 11:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
The damage and casualty figures cited in the article don't match with the ones shown in the infobox. It says 3-5 billion dollars at the bottom of the article and 5-9 billion dollars in the infobox. The numbers for casualties aren't consistent throughout either. bob rulz 22:34, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
We need to add Georgia to the areas affected list. We got nine inches of rain in 24 hours. What did Tennassee get? Three? Four? Mississippi only got six. Come on.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 04:25, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Has anyone cared to notice Dennis's mounting death toll? We're up to 71 people now: 44 in Haiti, 16 in Cuba, 10 in the US, and 1 in Jamaica.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 17:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
I've begun to change the references to the Footnote3 format, in preparation for a FAC. I'll have to go soon, so someone may want to continue where I left off. The Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Generic citations page will be very helpful to whomever keep doing it. Tito xd( ?!? - did you read this?) 00:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm thinking that this article is ready for a peer review. Does anyone have any major changes to make/objections before it is put up for one? I'll give this a week before opening up a peer review. - Cuivienen 17:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't know what browser you;re using Titoxd, but on my computer (Internet Explorer), relocating the Storm Track image creates a HUGE area of white space at the top of the Storm History section. I think this problem is much larger than two images being close to each other. - Cuivienen 23:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I've found the following source [6], that gives details about the casualties in each part of Florida up to the county, but I can't make too much with it... anyone want to help? (I've already added some information from the Red Cross about Haiti). Tito xd( ?!? - help us) 06:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
That box is usually placed at the bottom of the page. I've heard it was causing some problem on some browsers. Perhaps that's a solution? -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 00:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Comparing the text to the TCR I found a lot of errors in the storm history. Both landfalls at Cuba listed the wrong wind speed. The hurricane didn't reach 150mph winds until after its first cuba landfall. And peak intensity wasn't reached until the hurricane was in the Gulf of Mexico. Though it is likely it broke Audrey's record earlier, it is the 930 mbar pressure from July 10 that is the important one ("the strongest July hurricane"). Audrey's lowest recorded pressure was 946 mbar but records are incomplete (see s:Atlantic hurricane best track), so claiming an exact time for when the hurricane broke this record seems unnecessary; however, going by the best-track Dennis reached 938 mbar by 1200 UTC on July 8. — jdorje ( talk) 01:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Helpful in checking for vandalism: this link shows the difference between the current version and the pre-TFA version. This link shows the difference between the current version and a more recent non-vandalized version. — jdorje ( talk) 03:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
And here is my new link for vandalism checking (specifically checking for errors in reverts). — jdorje ( talk) 18:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
For the love of Jimbo, please be sure to upload over the old one instead of creating a new image. We don't need to leave old forecasts littered in the image namespace like some people did last year. -- Cyrius| ✎ 7 July 2005 22:37 (UTC)
www.wunderground.com has a updated Track image. -- Wimtennis2005 8 July 2005 18:30 (UTC)
Can a non-admin write over an existing image? Because NOAA has released a new track image (5PM EDT) and the one we have is now outdated (11AM EDT). -- Titoxd 02:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
--- Maybe we should use "swath" image when the storms fizzle out. I'd upload it myself but I don't want to log in on this computer. 69.216.140.110
Cyrius, the reason I put that link back was to have a reference link when the storm was over saying "look, everyone was evacuated". I'm learning from the failed nomination of Ivan and trying to keep as many reference links as possible. However, since NOAA didn't issue the evac order - the state or county did, presumably - then that's not the best option. So yeah, no problem with removing it, I just wanted to make it clear I wasn't being belligerent. :)
Now, on the storm, here's snippets from the latest advisory:
HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 45 MILES... 75 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 140 MILES...220 KM. SANTIAGO DE CUBA RECENTLY REPORTED SUSTAINED WINDS OF 58 MPH WITH A GUST TO 80 MPH.
DENNIS IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES OVER HAITI...JAMAICA...CUBA...AND THE CAYMAN ISLANDS. ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 15 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE OVER THE SIERRA MAESTRA MOUNTAINS OF SOUTHEASTERN CUBA. THESE RAINS COULD PRODUCE LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES.
STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 5 TO 7 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS... ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...ARE LIKELY IN AREAS OF ONSHORE WINDS ALONG THE SOUTHEAST COAST OF CUBA EAST OF CABO CRUZ. A MUCH LARGER STORM SURGE OF NEAR 20 FEET IS POSSIBLE ALONG THE SOUTHERN COAST OF CUBA WEST OF CABO CRUZ. A STORM SURGE OF 3 TO 6 FEET IS POSSIBLE IN THE LOWER FLORIDA KEYS. REPEATING THE 8 PM EDT POSITION...19.4 N... 77.1 W. MOVEMENT TOWARD...NORTHWEST NEAR 15 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 951 MB.
-- Golbez July 7, 2005 23:49 (UTC)
It is very unusual to have such a strong hurricane so early in the hurricane season (I mean, we're drawing comparisons to Hurricane Audrey 48 years ago!) -- in my spare time I'd write more about the reasons that Dennis is so strong, but I tend to be very wordy. Someone with a better historical perspective want to take a shot at this? :) -- -Rob 8 July 2005 17:28 (UTC)
Is the image found here [1] useful for our purposes? As in which areas could potentially be affected by the storm? -- Titoxd 9 July 2005 07:12 (UTC)
Note that there are a lot of variables included, since we don't know what the death toll, damage figures (although I am guessing in the billions), maximum winds, date of death (when it dissipates or is no longer causing damage) or the exact territories affected (that list is based on the current track but can be changed).
CrazyC83 8 July 2005 00:28 (UTC)
I've seen better pictures than that. OSEI has a good one [2] the one on the NRLMY site is not bad. [3]
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 8 July 2005 17:18 (UTC)
Fifteen provinces, twelve under hurricane warning. They should just go ahead and get the other three, yeesh. -- Cyrius| ✎ 8 July 2005 02:50 (UTC)
DENNIS MAY HAVE UNDERGONE AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE DURING THE AFTERNOON...AS THE 9 N MI WIDE EYE SEEN EARLIER IS NOW 16 TO 20 N MI WIDE. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE 950 MB CENTRAL PRESSURE IS AN ESTIMATE AND COULD WELL BE TOO HIGH.
The 11 am discussion says this:
THE LATEST RADAR DATA ALSO SUGGESTS THAT DENNIS MAY BE STARTING AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE...WHICH WOULD SUGGEST THAT DENNIS HAS LIKELY PEAKED IN INTENSITY.
It appears that we may not have a cat 5 hurricane after all, although I guess it's still possible if it stays in the Gulf long enough. bob rulz July 8, 2005 15:26 (UTC)
I doubt it will become a Category 5, this is no Ivan, but it could come *amned close. 150 mph winds with the possibility of strengthening further! We may not have an Ivan, but we could have a Floyd.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 8 July 2005 17:37 (UTC)
Speaking of the Weather Underground (it's way up there on the page), they generate a map that shows the tracks of storms of similar strength in similar places in the same month. For Dennis, there aren't any. None. -- Cyrius| ✎ 8 July 2005 19:45 (UTC)
For any admins out there, Image:Dennis 2005 Track.gif needs to be updated regularly by you. Since it is on the mainpage, it has been protected. Thanks. -- tomf688( talk) July 8, 2005 21:35 (UTC)
Still three days until landfall, so no rush. I'd recommend bravely running away if Dennis is looking like it is now or stronger in two days. -- tomf688( talk) July 9, 2005 03:46 (UTC)
To quote the Mobile NWS office:
It would probably have a little more impact if it didn't have the ellipses that seem so pervasive in NWS writing. -- Cyrius| ✎ 9 July 2005 05:55 (UTC)
Dennis track image needs to be unprotected, since it is no longer on the frontpage. Thanks. -- tomf688( talk) 23:18, July 9, 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, Cyrius. First time dabbling in imagery; I'll be more careful next time -- though I can see that a page could well get image heavy; certainly there's some good middle ground?
--
Baylink 9 July 2005 17:53 (UTC)
I'm curious about something. Should Dennis make landfall, weaken to a tropical depression or weak tropical storm, and interact with another system and reintensify, could it be reclassified as a hurricane after the interaction on land if winds of greater than 74 mph are recorded (or upgraded back to a tropical storm if winds of greater than 39 mph are recorded later)? CrazyC83 23:57, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
Count on me for Pensacola pictures. It might be a while but I'm going to take them starting Monday. I'm staying in town with my family...wish me luck! Mike H (Talking is hot) 02:39, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
I'm gonna have my digital going too, though it might be a day or two before they make it online for obvious reasons. Donovan Ravenhull 08:57, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Looks like I won't get much in the way of good pictures. The eye's going over Santa Rosa County and Navarre Beach, and I'm near the state line, so I think we're getting the good side of it. Mike H (Talking is hot) 20:08, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
The hour of landfall draws near. Power lines will fall, homes will be destroyed and people will die. Nature has total control. At this point, you can do nothing. Floridians seem to have gotten use to that feeling. I think Leonardo Di Caprio summerized this moment best when he made one of the greatest understatements in movie history: he's handcuffed to a pipe in the bowels of the sinking Titanic. Water is creeping up the porthole and he says: "This could be bad."
By the way, it's 1 am here in Atlanta. I'm running on adrenaline right now. Good night.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 05:27, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
NHC is saying the intensification trend has ceased, and Dennis is going to drop a bit in strength before landfall. -- Cyrius| ✎ 15:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
A small strip of colder water lines the shoreline of the Gulf coast. That strip is like a barrier that the hurricane must use a lot of energy to cross. This cold water infiltrates the warm core of the hurricane, causing it to weaken. This is the case with both Dennis and Ivan. How great of an effect it will have on Dennis I don't know. Opal weakened before reaching this strip of cold water and it was moving too fast for it to have much of an effect. I think that a layer of dry air got entrained in the eywall right at an eyewall replacement cycle. This caused the eye to deteriorate and the storm to weaken. Eloise was moving at a similar speed to that of Opal and was coming in from the same angle. The cold water had little or no effect on the storm.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 17:31, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Well, Dennis has made landfall as a Category 3 hurricane about midway betweeen Pensacola Beach and Navarre, Florida. I've uploaded radar images of landfall from the Northwest Florida and Mobile radar stations. -- Goobergunch| ? 19:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Zero Hour has arrived.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 19:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Guys, bear in mind that being less destructive than Ivan is not hard to be. Ivan caused 15 billion dollars in damage. Only one hurricane caused more damage than that, and his name is Andrew. Isabel caused $3 billion in damage and still got retired. By saying this storm wasn't as bad as Ivan is like saying it wasn't record-breaking. It's still a big mess and it's only July.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 04:22, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
They both had 105 knot sustained winds at landfall.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 18:55, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
And I'm not gonna even pretend I have the skills to do the rewrite. But it is time to transform this to a 'what did happen' article. Donovan Ravenhull 11:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
The damage and casualty figures cited in the article don't match with the ones shown in the infobox. It says 3-5 billion dollars at the bottom of the article and 5-9 billion dollars in the infobox. The numbers for casualties aren't consistent throughout either. bob rulz 22:34, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
We need to add Georgia to the areas affected list. We got nine inches of rain in 24 hours. What did Tennassee get? Three? Four? Mississippi only got six. Come on.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 04:25, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Has anyone cared to notice Dennis's mounting death toll? We're up to 71 people now: 44 in Haiti, 16 in Cuba, 10 in the US, and 1 in Jamaica.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 17:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
I've begun to change the references to the Footnote3 format, in preparation for a FAC. I'll have to go soon, so someone may want to continue where I left off. The Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Generic citations page will be very helpful to whomever keep doing it. Tito xd( ?!? - did you read this?) 00:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm thinking that this article is ready for a peer review. Does anyone have any major changes to make/objections before it is put up for one? I'll give this a week before opening up a peer review. - Cuivienen 17:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't know what browser you;re using Titoxd, but on my computer (Internet Explorer), relocating the Storm Track image creates a HUGE area of white space at the top of the Storm History section. I think this problem is much larger than two images being close to each other. - Cuivienen 23:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I've found the following source [6], that gives details about the casualties in each part of Florida up to the county, but I can't make too much with it... anyone want to help? (I've already added some information from the Red Cross about Haiti). Tito xd( ?!? - help us) 06:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
That box is usually placed at the bottom of the page. I've heard it was causing some problem on some browsers. Perhaps that's a solution? -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 00:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Comparing the text to the TCR I found a lot of errors in the storm history. Both landfalls at Cuba listed the wrong wind speed. The hurricane didn't reach 150mph winds until after its first cuba landfall. And peak intensity wasn't reached until the hurricane was in the Gulf of Mexico. Though it is likely it broke Audrey's record earlier, it is the 930 mbar pressure from July 10 that is the important one ("the strongest July hurricane"). Audrey's lowest recorded pressure was 946 mbar but records are incomplete (see s:Atlantic hurricane best track), so claiming an exact time for when the hurricane broke this record seems unnecessary; however, going by the best-track Dennis reached 938 mbar by 1200 UTC on July 8. — jdorje ( talk) 01:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Helpful in checking for vandalism: this link shows the difference between the current version and the pre-TFA version. This link shows the difference between the current version and a more recent non-vandalized version. — jdorje ( talk) 03:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
And here is my new link for vandalism checking (specifically checking for errors in reverts). — jdorje ( talk) 18:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)