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What exactly is this "Emperor: Alliances" that is referred to in this article? Googling it and looking through lists of published games returned no results (I'm assuming it's a game since it has House Ordos in it).
(Now that I've finally finished the Dune series I had to look this page up to see where Westwood got House Ordos from)
Thank you - CrimsonKaiser 00:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The article make mention of "Emperor: Alliances." Will somebody please tell me what that is? Jason Palpatine 05:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
http://wiki.dune2k.com/wiki/Emperor_Alliances -- Jesse Mulkey 23:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
If ıt was cancelled and no further info was given, Im not sure if it counts as canon. And in its current stage, the parts about the Emperor: Alliances look as if they are a fan fiction. Also, are you sure if that wiki page is correct? I followed Westwood very closely during the years of TS, RA2, Renegade, Emperor and (To an extent) Generals. Never even saw an indication or decleration of an expansion pack, let alone the news of its cancellation. Therefore I feel those parts about Alliances need deletion. Any comments?
Right, it's a rough job I know, but it's a start. That being said there are two things I think we should avoid in the future with this incarnation of the article: 1. Don't go overboard with the Ordos story. It's a minor house, and doesn't deserve more than a paragraph or two. 2. No game only information. If the only information about the article is from the games, don't include it!
Thank you - Robgea
but, the ordos only really exist in the games, and a lot of people i know dont even know that the dune universe started in books. this article as it stands is one of the best written i have seen on wikepedia, encompassing all the information in an eloquently constructed manner. congrats to whoever did this. 29/7/05
This page is way too long, and I'm excising it. Why oh why is this page bigger than House Atreides, House Harkonnen, and House Corrino? And the game units? They're going out. They can be reinstated at a page about the game. -- Staecker 13:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you...-- Robgea 21:16, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Jesse Mulkey reinstated the page, and I'm going to cut it again. This is not "one of the most detailed articles on Wikipedia," nor should it be. The Ordos are just not that important in the Dune universe. Jesse- I know you personally like them. But having such a huge article on them in contrast to the comparatively miniscule ones on Atreides, Harkonnen, and Corrino is not right. I don't mean to start a revert war here, but I think that a much thinner Ordos page has always had support throughout the lifetime of this article. Please register your opinions, anyone who's watching.-- Staecker 23:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
House Ordos was never an official part of the Dune universe, just the RTS games. They deserve more information since the official sources (the games) are out of print and because they are unique, etc. While for the other houses anyone could just look in the novels or encyclopedia for info. Would you feel better about the longer House Ordos article if the other three house also had as much info? House Ordos needs to be recognized, and such a short page with such little info does not do them justice.
Who cares if it's bigger? A bigger article means more detail, let's say for someone who is interested in the house as it appears in the games. Just let it grow and encompass all of the unit information, and if it bugs you so much, add onto the Atreides, Corrino and Harkonnen pages, too.
I really don't think the arguments being made here are particularly credible. For example, the claim that Ordos deserve more space because unlike Atreides or Harkonnen, there isn't a non-game source that interested persons can refer to. I would argue that is a reason to have less information on Ordos, not more. Everything which is known about them is known from the games or the dune encyclopedia. It is extremely unlikely that people who have not played the games are going to be interested in Ordos, as their representation in the games is obviously non-canon in Herbert's universe. On the other hand someone who has read the books will be much more interested in reading about the in-game depiction of canon material. An example: A local band that I am a fan of deserves more space than Franz Ferdinand because it is a lot more difficult to find information about this local band than Franz Ferdinand. Would this be a satisfactory argument? No.
The issue here isn't whether Ordos deserve a long article or not, the issue is notability - Ordos are simply not as noteworthy as Atreides or Harkonnen. Let's keep our personal feelings about Ordos to one side. 121.45.172.33 06:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
as someone who just stumbled upon this, I have to say this is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on this site to date. I especially loved the completely superfluous words inserted into the headings "Infamous ... Insidious ..", and the way at some point the article just drifts off into some sort of a bizarre poetic analysis of the symbolism of freezing to death on some ice world no-one has ever seen, just briefly mentioned in some videogame no-one has ever played. It's like a fantastic fractal of irrelevance within more irrelevance. If this ever gets deleted someone should preserve it for posterity just because it is such an awesomely silly thing to read.
Ordos are notable and the article should absolutely NOT be deleted, but it does require a lot of cleaning up and checking against sources. 213.89.251.44 ( talk) 02:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The article currently:
If you read the article about the encyclopaedia it says:
Taken together, this suggests it may have been invented in the encyclopaedia. I see some earlier discussion suggesting this. However if true, IMO the article it self doesn't make this sufficiently clear. For starters, it could have first appeared outside the novels and encyclopaedia (e.g. TV or other places) which our article fails to mention (this may not have existed, but we can't expect our readers to be aware of this). Also, even if the encyclopaedia is non-canon, the normal assumption would be it intends to represent stuff that has already appeared elsewhere rather then making stuff up itself and the reader is unlikely to know it did this without checking out the article. (At least we give the date so readers don't think it first appeared in the game which caused it to appear in the encyclopaedia.) In other words, if it can be reliably sourced we should clearly say it was invented or first appeared in the encyclopaedia, rather then forcing the reader to guess. Nil Einne ( talk) 09:17, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
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What exactly is this "Emperor: Alliances" that is referred to in this article? Googling it and looking through lists of published games returned no results (I'm assuming it's a game since it has House Ordos in it).
(Now that I've finally finished the Dune series I had to look this page up to see where Westwood got House Ordos from)
Thank you - CrimsonKaiser 00:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The article make mention of "Emperor: Alliances." Will somebody please tell me what that is? Jason Palpatine 05:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
http://wiki.dune2k.com/wiki/Emperor_Alliances -- Jesse Mulkey 23:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
If ıt was cancelled and no further info was given, Im not sure if it counts as canon. And in its current stage, the parts about the Emperor: Alliances look as if they are a fan fiction. Also, are you sure if that wiki page is correct? I followed Westwood very closely during the years of TS, RA2, Renegade, Emperor and (To an extent) Generals. Never even saw an indication or decleration of an expansion pack, let alone the news of its cancellation. Therefore I feel those parts about Alliances need deletion. Any comments?
Right, it's a rough job I know, but it's a start. That being said there are two things I think we should avoid in the future with this incarnation of the article: 1. Don't go overboard with the Ordos story. It's a minor house, and doesn't deserve more than a paragraph or two. 2. No game only information. If the only information about the article is from the games, don't include it!
Thank you - Robgea
but, the ordos only really exist in the games, and a lot of people i know dont even know that the dune universe started in books. this article as it stands is one of the best written i have seen on wikepedia, encompassing all the information in an eloquently constructed manner. congrats to whoever did this. 29/7/05
This page is way too long, and I'm excising it. Why oh why is this page bigger than House Atreides, House Harkonnen, and House Corrino? And the game units? They're going out. They can be reinstated at a page about the game. -- Staecker 13:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you...-- Robgea 21:16, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Jesse Mulkey reinstated the page, and I'm going to cut it again. This is not "one of the most detailed articles on Wikipedia," nor should it be. The Ordos are just not that important in the Dune universe. Jesse- I know you personally like them. But having such a huge article on them in contrast to the comparatively miniscule ones on Atreides, Harkonnen, and Corrino is not right. I don't mean to start a revert war here, but I think that a much thinner Ordos page has always had support throughout the lifetime of this article. Please register your opinions, anyone who's watching.-- Staecker 23:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
House Ordos was never an official part of the Dune universe, just the RTS games. They deserve more information since the official sources (the games) are out of print and because they are unique, etc. While for the other houses anyone could just look in the novels or encyclopedia for info. Would you feel better about the longer House Ordos article if the other three house also had as much info? House Ordos needs to be recognized, and such a short page with such little info does not do them justice.
Who cares if it's bigger? A bigger article means more detail, let's say for someone who is interested in the house as it appears in the games. Just let it grow and encompass all of the unit information, and if it bugs you so much, add onto the Atreides, Corrino and Harkonnen pages, too.
I really don't think the arguments being made here are particularly credible. For example, the claim that Ordos deserve more space because unlike Atreides or Harkonnen, there isn't a non-game source that interested persons can refer to. I would argue that is a reason to have less information on Ordos, not more. Everything which is known about them is known from the games or the dune encyclopedia. It is extremely unlikely that people who have not played the games are going to be interested in Ordos, as their representation in the games is obviously non-canon in Herbert's universe. On the other hand someone who has read the books will be much more interested in reading about the in-game depiction of canon material. An example: A local band that I am a fan of deserves more space than Franz Ferdinand because it is a lot more difficult to find information about this local band than Franz Ferdinand. Would this be a satisfactory argument? No.
The issue here isn't whether Ordos deserve a long article or not, the issue is notability - Ordos are simply not as noteworthy as Atreides or Harkonnen. Let's keep our personal feelings about Ordos to one side. 121.45.172.33 06:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
as someone who just stumbled upon this, I have to say this is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on this site to date. I especially loved the completely superfluous words inserted into the headings "Infamous ... Insidious ..", and the way at some point the article just drifts off into some sort of a bizarre poetic analysis of the symbolism of freezing to death on some ice world no-one has ever seen, just briefly mentioned in some videogame no-one has ever played. It's like a fantastic fractal of irrelevance within more irrelevance. If this ever gets deleted someone should preserve it for posterity just because it is such an awesomely silly thing to read.
Ordos are notable and the article should absolutely NOT be deleted, but it does require a lot of cleaning up and checking against sources. 213.89.251.44 ( talk) 02:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The article currently:
If you read the article about the encyclopaedia it says:
Taken together, this suggests it may have been invented in the encyclopaedia. I see some earlier discussion suggesting this. However if true, IMO the article it self doesn't make this sufficiently clear. For starters, it could have first appeared outside the novels and encyclopaedia (e.g. TV or other places) which our article fails to mention (this may not have existed, but we can't expect our readers to be aware of this). Also, even if the encyclopaedia is non-canon, the normal assumption would be it intends to represent stuff that has already appeared elsewhere rather then making stuff up itself and the reader is unlikely to know it did this without checking out the article. (At least we give the date so readers don't think it first appeared in the game which caused it to appear in the encyclopaedia.) In other words, if it can be reliably sourced we should clearly say it was invented or first appeared in the encyclopaedia, rather then forcing the reader to guess. Nil Einne ( talk) 09:17, 5 February 2012 (UTC)