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In "Greece" , I think that "Orpheus and Calais (one of Boreads)" is better than "Orpheus and the Thracians". At least in Japan, Calais is famous as a beloved-boy of Orpheus. Hadrianvs et antinovs ( talk) 02:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)hadrianvs et antinovs
How does this myth relate to GLBT issues? The Amazons rejected typical (or at least Greek) gender roles for women, but I don't think that's the same as being homosexual, transgender, or bisexual. Unless this article is intended to include transvestite stories as well? 97.116.17.199 ( talk) 21:49, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The Amazons were clearly transgender in every way short of gender reassignment surgery. They lived, fought, and often dressed and loved as what ancient Greeks would consider men, full time. A transvestite is someone who cross-dresses, usually on an occasional basis, but does not live full time in the entire social role of a different gender. Markwiki ( talk) 04:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Plato's Dialogues includes a description of the origin of human beings, love, and sex in which there was a third gender, androgyns, and all three human genders reproduced asexually. But after the gods split every human being into two halves, the males and females became pairs of homosexual soul-mates, and the androgyns became pairs of heterosexual soul-mates. This is philosophy, not necessarily "mythology" as such, so should it be mentioned in this page or not? 97.116.17.199 ( talk) 22:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I would save Plato's Dialogues for a philosophy page since it covers humanity as a whole. Most of these entries seem directed at specific characters more so than the state of being of the entire human race. Markwiki ( talk) 04:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
A number of deities and semi-divine heroes with changing or ambiguous genders are present in Greek and Roman myths. Hermaphroditos, the son of Aphrodite and Hermes is a hermaphrodite, a term derived from his name. citation needed Phanes, is the primordial, androgynous deity of love and procreation who hatched from the World Egg during the creation of the world. citation needed Tiresias was a male prophet who was turned into a woman for 7 years. citation needed Agdistis, a Phrygian deity born with both male and female genitalia, but later castrated so that she became female. citation needed Amazons, a nation of warrior women citation needed
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 September 2023 and 22 December 2023. Further details are available
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The result of the move request was: moved. Rough consensus to move to "Homoerotic themes in Greek and Roman mythology" ( closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal ( talk) 06:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
LGBT themes in Greek and Roman mythology → ? – Following recent discussion at what at the previously-titled LGBT in the Ottoman Empire, the term "LGBT" may be anachronistic to use when talking about ancient Greek and Roman mythology. Not sure what the best title would be. (Apologies if this or a similar discussion has already been posted before) GnocchiFan ( talk) 17:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 17:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
I just saw that the title of the article was changed to "Homoerotic themes in Greek and Roman mythology", but still kept the section "Sex and gender" (Transgender, Androgynes and Intersex). Since homoeroticism is about same-sex attraction and not about gender variance issues, I don't understand why the "Sex and gender" section remains here. One suggestion would be to create a new article titled, I don't know, "Sex and gender in Greek and Roman mythology" or "Gender variance in Greek and Roman mythology", or something like that (and, of course, include it in the categories "Classical mythology", "LGBT themes in Greek mythology" and "LGBT themes in mythology". -- 168.228.86.39 ( talk) 22:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
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In "Greece" , I think that "Orpheus and Calais (one of Boreads)" is better than "Orpheus and the Thracians". At least in Japan, Calais is famous as a beloved-boy of Orpheus. Hadrianvs et antinovs ( talk) 02:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)hadrianvs et antinovs
How does this myth relate to GLBT issues? The Amazons rejected typical (or at least Greek) gender roles for women, but I don't think that's the same as being homosexual, transgender, or bisexual. Unless this article is intended to include transvestite stories as well? 97.116.17.199 ( talk) 21:49, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The Amazons were clearly transgender in every way short of gender reassignment surgery. They lived, fought, and often dressed and loved as what ancient Greeks would consider men, full time. A transvestite is someone who cross-dresses, usually on an occasional basis, but does not live full time in the entire social role of a different gender. Markwiki ( talk) 04:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Plato's Dialogues includes a description of the origin of human beings, love, and sex in which there was a third gender, androgyns, and all three human genders reproduced asexually. But after the gods split every human being into two halves, the males and females became pairs of homosexual soul-mates, and the androgyns became pairs of heterosexual soul-mates. This is philosophy, not necessarily "mythology" as such, so should it be mentioned in this page or not? 97.116.17.199 ( talk) 22:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I would save Plato's Dialogues for a philosophy page since it covers humanity as a whole. Most of these entries seem directed at specific characters more so than the state of being of the entire human race. Markwiki ( talk) 04:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
A number of deities and semi-divine heroes with changing or ambiguous genders are present in Greek and Roman myths. Hermaphroditos, the son of Aphrodite and Hermes is a hermaphrodite, a term derived from his name. citation needed Phanes, is the primordial, androgynous deity of love and procreation who hatched from the World Egg during the creation of the world. citation needed Tiresias was a male prophet who was turned into a woman for 7 years. citation needed Agdistis, a Phrygian deity born with both male and female genitalia, but later castrated so that she became female. citation needed Amazons, a nation of warrior women citation needed
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 September 2023 and 22 December 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
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article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Robynbest ( talk) 01:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Rough consensus to move to "Homoerotic themes in Greek and Roman mythology" ( closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal ( talk) 06:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
LGBT themes in Greek and Roman mythology → ? – Following recent discussion at what at the previously-titled LGBT in the Ottoman Empire, the term "LGBT" may be anachronistic to use when talking about ancient Greek and Roman mythology. Not sure what the best title would be. (Apologies if this or a similar discussion has already been posted before) GnocchiFan ( talk) 17:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 17:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
I just saw that the title of the article was changed to "Homoerotic themes in Greek and Roman mythology", but still kept the section "Sex and gender" (Transgender, Androgynes and Intersex). Since homoeroticism is about same-sex attraction and not about gender variance issues, I don't understand why the "Sex and gender" section remains here. One suggestion would be to create a new article titled, I don't know, "Sex and gender in Greek and Roman mythology" or "Gender variance in Greek and Roman mythology", or something like that (and, of course, include it in the categories "Classical mythology", "LGBT themes in Greek mythology" and "LGBT themes in mythology". -- 168.228.86.39 ( talk) 22:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)