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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Angelino Heights, Los Angeles, California which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 02:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved all per request and moved Hollywood, Los Angeles, California to Hollywood. As pointed out below, Hollywood already redirects to this page and needs no further qualification. -- RegentsPark ( talk) 20:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Hollywood, Los Angeles, California → Hollywood, Los Angeles — Per Talk:Los Angeles#Various move requests involving LA Neighborhoods, it was decided that the California should be dropped from LA Neighborhoods, because the title of the LA article is Los Angeles, there is no other Los Angeles with neighborhood articles, and just because it was shorter ( WP:COMMONNAME). This is only about dropping the California. Don't turn it into dropping the Los Angeles as well!. Four other neighborhoods which had been accidentally left out of the discussion earlier are also included. Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 00:31, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
All material in Wikipedia must be verifiable. We now have over a dozen citations that look like this: "Los Angeles Times (January 10, 1982)" Back in the 1980s, the heyday of the newspaper, it published hundreds of pages a day. Even in simpler times it was voluminous. To simply list the date of publication, without even the article title much less the page number or byline, makes it very difficult to verify the citations. If the idea is to improve the article then these cites fall far short of the ideal and are almost useless. Will Beback talk 00:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I have deleted the text regarding the D.W Griffith first movie in Hollywood using the Phillip French web site. This is not a valid source for any reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.170.184.252 ( talk) 05:03, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I have deleted this again because the entry, "Prolific director D. W. Griffith was the first one to make a motion picture in Hollywood. His 17-minute short film In Old California, which was released on 10 March 1910, was filmed entirely in the village of Hollywood.[24], is not in compliance with the Wikipedia guidelines regarding the us of references. This is a web site that has no credibility. Will Beback should not demand this site to be a referance. In past Will Beback has demanded that the use of an unreferenced website to be removed because of the Wikipedia policy. Does Will Beback have a double standard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.170.184.252 ( talk) 06:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure who this person is but it is not my relative. As I am sure you know we had agreed to disagree. Perhaps it is a old time Hollywood resident. They would know that Griffith never said he was the first to film in Hollywood because he wasn't. He lived into the 1940 and I am sure he would have if he did. I think what has happened is he went outside of Los Angeles to film but not as far as Hollywood. But now almost 100 years later someone is trying to change history. I have no control over who is doing this but I am stilling watching to keep history correct. However I am still honoring our agreement. I am trying to sign my post but at 86 years old I must have made a mistake again. I clicked the wavy line below and my signature did not appear. so I will just try and put whithj. Whithj ( talk) 18:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I tried to post earlier and it was lost. I hope it does not appear as a duplicate so here goes. I do not find "The Guardian" as a bad source however I do not feel they verify the historical information they post. I would be happier if you could find a book that was published between 1920-1950 that stated this information. I believe D W Griffith lived into the 1940's and he never stated he had filmed the first Hollywood movie. The Hollywood community which includes the "Hollywood Heritege Museum" does not support this finding. I think perhaps a movie was done on the outskirts of Los Angeles and now someone is trying to claim it is Hollywood. My great-grandmother wrote in her journal and personally told me that the first filming in Hollywood was done on October 26, 1911 by Al Christi and the Horseley Brothers. They went on to form Nestor Studios. Since I have not been able to find any historical source before 1950 that contradicts this I will stand firm that the first movie filmed in Hollywood was filmed on October 26,1911. However, since I agreed to disagree with you I will not change the listing even though I feel it is misleading. Whithj ( talk) 23:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
how much does it cost to live there? not in the rich district, but for regular people-- 99.101.160.159 ( talk) 23:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering? 109.154.25.148 ( talk) 20:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
This: "a highly diverse, densely populated, mostly immigrant, low-income residential neighborhood" seems politicized and too insecure for a lede, especially in an imporrtant article. It is clunky and not representative of a good article on Hollywood. Jack B108 ( talk) 16:14, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. The proponent would like all the neighborhoods of Los Angeles to have a common style, which is 'XXX, Los Angeles'. He has also suggested (bottom of page) that some uses of Hollywood actually refer to the US film industry. To the extent that this move is asking for 'Hollywood, Los Angeles' it does not have consensus. There's already a hatnote on the article that will help to direct people who should be looking for Cinema of the United States. The 2010 consensus in Talk:Los Angeles/Archive 5 merely implies that 'XXX, Los Angeles, California' can drop the use of California. That previous discussion says nothing about whether XXX has to move to 'XXX, Los Angeles' if it is currently missing the 'Los Angeles.' EdJohnston ( talk) 02:42, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Hollywood →
Hollywood, Los Angeles – Consensus was reached at
Talk:Los_Angeles/Archive_5#Various_move_requests_involving_LA_Neighborhoods to rename all L.A. neighborhoods, but
Hollywood appears to be the only neighborhood not to have followed suit. It is important to Wikipedia that this article be recognized as concerning the neighborhood and not as an article about the motion picture industry or "Hollywood" as a stereotyped concept. There seems to be no reason for not adhering to the general naming policy for Los Angeles neighborhoods
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Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English. Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles.
In the Motion picture industry section, the sentence "By 1912, major motion-picture companies had set up production near or in Los Angeles because of the location's proximity to Mexico, as well as the region's favorable year-round weather.[16]" doesn't make it clear why being close to Mexico is part of the reason why motion picture companies set up production in LA. I can hazard a guess — perhaps there was plenty of cheap labor? But I really have no idea. Besides, if being close to Mexico was so helpful, why didn't they set up shop in San Diego, which is much closer? In fact, the Cinema of the United States article has the exact same sentence, also with no explanation. Damienivan ( talk) 23:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
The City of L.A. posted a city plaque on Melrose just past La Cienega, calling the area "Hollywood" according to Mapping LA this is not part of Hollywood borders. The City may view it otherwise and they are the official source. Can someone look to another source to cite for the borders?
-- Daniel E Romero ( talk) 18:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
>> Hollywood: Chronicle of an Empire ( Lihaas ( talk) 16:54, 25 February 2014 (UTC)).
There should be a section clearly stating that Hollywood has changed in terms that they are now a political machine mostly serving elites, socialites with a muslim agenda (iranians).
suggested to include this section: Hollywood has become increasingly political. Most of Hollywood actors are supporters of the DNC and pro-muslim, pro-liberal gay and were instrumental in electing Barack Obama to the office. http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/22/celebrity-activist-hollywood-pf-philo-cz_sc_1122celeb.html. A current trend is for actors to advise on political candidates in exchange for funding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.172.72.45 ( talk)
It says that Hollywood is flanked by East Hollywood to the East, but the mapping LA map in the section shows East Hollywood within the boundaries of Hollywood. Thoughts?— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 03:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
There is presently an article for Greater Hollywood, Los Angeles. This article has gone unsourced since 2006. From searching, it's obvious that "Greater Hollywood" is a term in wide use, but there doesn't seem to be any widespread agreement on what precisely it means, and there's no coverage I could find of the "Greater Hollywood" area per se (just business describing themselves as serving the Greater Hollywood community). Under the circumstances I think it would make sense to merge that article into this one. Thoughts? —Tim Pierce ( talk) 13:24, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Holyrood, Scotland where one of the Queen's palaces are? CaribDigita ( talk) 17:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Royal Sun Alliance that recently had accounting scandals has been insuring Hollywood and may have involvement in other illegal activities such as spying.
Hollywood was initially established by the drug mafia for money laundering purposes. With Bollywood now also using Hollywood studios significant amounts of drug money from the Caribbean and Latin America is laundered into movie revenues. Bollywood has a significant presence in illegal activities in Jamaica, Queens and Hollywood in Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.248.95 ( talk)
I have noticed that many articles describe neighborhoods in Los Angeles as districts. To my knowledge the City of Los Angeles refers to regions of the city as neighborhoods and does not mention the word "districts" in any description. For now, I'm going to change the intro and infobox to reflect this, based off the info from LAcity.org and the Los Angeles Neighborhood Councils. If anyone can show me something official that mentions districts (and which neighborhoods are districts, if any), feel free to change it back.-- Jkfp2004 ( talk) 07:15, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm a little confused about the words "Economically diverse" this part in the lead,
Hollywood is also a highly ethnically diverse, densely populated, economically diverse neighborhood and retail business district.
The median price of homes in Hollywood is about $1.31 million and the average price of rent is $10,000. How in any way can this be considered "economically diverse"?
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The section Incorporation and merger says:
Hollywood was incorporated as a municipality on November 14, 1903, by a vote of 88 for and 77 against. On January 30, 1904, the voters in Hollywood decided, by a vote of 113 to 96, for the banishment of liquor in the city, except when it was being sold for medicinal purposes. Neither hotels nor restaurants were allowed to serve wine or liquor before or after meals.
Obviously this was a city ordinance and nothing to do with the later Congress imposition of Prohibition, ( and so not repealed by that Repeal ), but was it ever ended, or has no alcohol ever been drunk in Hollywood from 1904 to now ?
Claverhouse ( talk) 21:04, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
This part of the article is informative "By 1912, major motion-picture companies had set up production near or in Los Angeles.[17] In the early 1900s, most motion picture patents were held by Thomas Edison's Motion Picture Patents Company in New Jersey, and filmmakers were often sued to stop their productions. To escape this, filmmakers began moving out west, where Edison's patents could not be enforced" but it should probably name who these filmmakers are, like which ones or reference a source to the statement. I've noticed neither this article nor /info/en/?search=Cinema_of_the_United_States nor /info/en/?search=Motion_Picture_Patents_Company mention exactly which studios would not pay their licensing fees to Edison. The articles only mention that film makers began moving out west but none of the articles name exactly which ones did so to escape Edison. One of the articles mentions which companies moved west and I can see the years they moved on the company wiki page but moving doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't pay. One/all of these articles needs to name who the companies are so it can be fact checked or at least give a reliable source to the statements. Lenneth ( talk) 13:49, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I am the grandson of HJ Whitley, the Father of Hollywood. I am 86 years old and I am going to try to correct the history of Hollywood section. Because of my age it may take awhile. I would appreciate that when I do post text with references that the old history which is incorrect is not just put back. I realize that a book published in 1936 or so had much incorrect information and is used as a source for future books that are now being published. The information I have came from my grandparents and sources that are reliable. I will reference them and hopefully this will solve the problem. If you have any questions feel free to address them in this section. I am not well versed in computers so I hope you will be patient with me. Thanks for helping me correct history. Whithj ( talk) 21:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC) whithj
Are these papers published or in a public library? If they are privately held then they aren't verifiable and shouldn't be used as sources.
There are many mentions of Whitley in the L.A. Times archive, but I can't find this article on that date. Is it correct? Will Beback talk 01:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
The papers are in the UCLA Library. The LA Times article is correct. Contact the LA Times archives. Whithj ( talk) 07:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)whithj
The publications are in the Charles E. Young Research Library Department of Special Collections. They have been historically verified by the library staff Whithj ( talk) 07:26, 17 June 2010 (UTC)whithj.
Los Angeles Times Historical Archives (ProQuest) 2 Digitized reproduction of the Los Angeles Times from its beginnings. Currently contains 1881-1986. Searchable by (keywords, author's names, articles, dates, etc.) or browseable by full page or issue. Includes photos, graphics and advertisements. Found in the Los Angles Public Library. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whithj ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Please go to www.thefatherofhollywood.com. It has many of the L A Times Articles and will continue to have more each day. It is very time consuming to post all this so please be patient. The Keith book is no longer self-published. It has been picked up by Tate Publishing and will be released August 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whithj ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Actually the book is published and copies are sold. The release date is August 2010 because it is waiting for the audio to be finished. The Whitley Papers are used as sources in the Owensmouth Baby by Catherine Mulholland done by the Santa Susana Press which is a University Press. Did you go and look at the Los Angeles Times References at http://www.thefatherofhollywood.com/media_Room.shtml as I asked. You will see that there are quite a few of them listed. Can you help link them. I am 86 and getting worn out trying to do this but I will not stop until it is done. It may just take me a while. I am sure that you and I have much in common - mainly our desire to make sure that history is told truthfully. Also I had asked if their was any area of concern? I have added some links by scanning a few pages of Catherine Mulhollands book. She is the daughter of William Mulholland. I am sure you have heard of him. Whithj ( talk) 02:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
The first version of The Father of Hollywood was published by BookSurge, a vanity press. The new edition is published by Tate Publishing & Enterprises, which is also considered a vanity press. [4] Per WP:SELFPUB, neither edition would qualify as a source for Wikipedia. Will Beback talk 03:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually who is the "Publisher Standards Board" I tried all the links on their site and they go to no where. That said I wonder if you have even looked at the links I have tried to work on. You will see there are many. Why do you still question H J Whitley's role in Hollywood? Do you still question that he is the "Father of Hollywood'? What other information do you have that were historically printed before 1950? Thanks for letting me know where you are getting historically correct info so I can review it. Whithj ( talk) 22:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I find it interesting that the first book you listed as reliable is a book by Edwin O Palmer. It is a self-published book. It also had a very limited printing and would be almost impossible for most people to verify. I am posting a link to the Title page and also a comment made by the author. He states that many errors have been made in the book as much of the information is just his memory about what he heard from others. He was not at the events. [9]Additionally attached is a letter by H J Whitley. He had concerns about Palmer's book when he was alive and hoped that he could convince Palmer to correct his misinformation. [10]. I also contacted the publisher of "Early Hollywood" by Arcadia Publishing. I asked them to correct their mistakes but they said to contact the author as they did not monitor what was printed. They just published what the author wrote. I attempted to contact Robert Nudelman but he had passed away. My daughter talked to Bruce Torrence who told her his information had come from Palmer's book. That is why his information is also incorrect. I have not had time yet to contact the others but I am fairly confident that Palmer's book was their source of information regarding early Hollywood. Can you give me any reliable sources that comply to Wikipedia guidelines. I am going to repost the diary information you deleted as it is part of a published book and historical magazine published by the University of Pacific, The California Historian. Tate Publishing is a traditional publisher. Please do not use Google Blogs to give misinformation. The Publisher has stated this information on Wikipedia and you should have not deleted that information. Why are you so confrontational? What is your true agenda in this matter? Whithj ( talk) 15:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Since you seem to not like self published books maybe you should delete Gregory Paul Williams book. It was self-published. It is in the biography section at the bottom of the page. Whithj ( talk) 23:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Now that we're six years on from this discussion, I think it's time to revisit and modify how the page represents how Hollywood acquired its name.
The second paragraph within "Early history and development" currently begins with "[a]ccording to the diary of H. J. Whitley, known as the "Father of Hollywood", on his honeymoon in 1886 he stood at the top of the hill looking out over the valley." Note 7 points not to H.J. Whitley's diary, but to something said to have come from an 1886 entry in the diary of his wife, Margaret V. Whitley. Gaelyn Whitley Keith, author of The Father of Hollywood (discussion above), and owner of the site at which that image given in Note 7 sits, has told me that "[t]he page was hand written by my great-grandmother, Margaret Virginia Whitley. It is an account of her honeymoon adventure with my great-grandfather H J Whitley. I do not have an exact date of the writing but the event occurred in 1886." The image at Note 7, then, seems not to be a diary entry and cannot be documented (at least as of this writing) as contemporaneous with the anecdote told in this piece of writing. Getting an exact date and context for this piece of writing would be helpful; in the absence of such, the evidence for the Whitley anecdote is quite questionable in terms of documentation. I've been unable to find a contemporaneous or roughly contemporaneous telling of the Whitley anecdote in historical newspaper databases. Although its absence from, say, Southern California newspapers in the first half of the 20th-century isn't exactly damning, it is curious and perhaps suggests that the Whitley explanation for the naming of Hollywood existed solely as a family anecdote.
I don't know how Hollywood, California acquired its name and I have no horse in this race. I do understand the Whitley family's desire to preserve a place for H.J. and Margaret Whitley in the founding of Hollywood, but I regret to say that evidence that this anecdote reflects the inspiration for the naming of Hollywood is lacking. Consequently, the Whitley explanation should receive far less prominence on this page or it should be removed.
Regardless of who came up with the California toponym, I believe the earliest appearance of "Hollywood" with respect to the subdivision near Cahuenga Pass is February 2, 1887. The map is said to have been filed on February 1, 1887. There are slightly later appearances in Los Angeles-area newspapers that link the toponym to H.H. Wilcox.
If no strenuous objections crop up I'll likely amend the section on the naming of Hollywood within the next 30 days. B Taylor-Blake ( talk) 17:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I am removing the phrase "relatively low income" from the lede. There was a discussion over at the West Hills, Los Angeles talk page ( /info/en/?search=Talk:West_Hills,_Los_Angeles#Possible_canvassing) regarding terms like this.
rough consensus against the inclusion of terms such as "affluent" or "poor" in ledes to articles on cities and towns in general. The scope was not just "all Los Angeles neighborhoods", but all settlement articles. And it wasn't restricted to the word "affluent", but all similar terms. Phatblackmama ( talk) 23:34, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
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Toyon is a prominent component of the coastal sage scrub plant community, and is a part of drought-adapted chaparral and mixed oak woodland habitats. It is also known by the common names Christmas berry and California holly. Accordingly, "the abundance of this species in the hills above Los Angeles... gave rise to the name Hollywood." [1]
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Moved as proposed as to "Hollywood"; as to the base page name, there is a clear consensus to disambiguate at this time. Although discussion centered on the neighborhood and the film industry, I note in passing that the disambiguation page has over 100 other meanings of "Hollywood". BD2412 T 18:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
– I believe the current names for these two articles has a few issues: it leaves Cinema of the United States at not its WP:COMMONNAME, leaves Hollywood not WP:CONSISTENT with all the other Neighborhoods of Los Angeles, and does not give the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term "Hollywood" to the movie industry. "Hollywood actor/actress", History of Hollywood, Hollywood blacklist etc., references to "Hollywood" in reliable sources and on Wikipedia are rarely referring to the actual physical location versus the industry named after it. The current situation leaves lots of room for erroneous links in articles to a specific (though still notable and important) Los Angeles neighborhood, many of which can be seen when looking at the list. Examples of reliable sources using "Hollywood" without clarifying they mean the industry not the place: [13] [14] [15] [16] [17]. I had difficulty finding articles that use "Hollywood" to refer to the place without clarifying they mean the neighborhood outside of local reports regarding construction and crime, since so much of a google search is about the movie industry. Cerebral726 ( talk) 17:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Angelino Heights, Los Angeles, California which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 02:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved all per request and moved Hollywood, Los Angeles, California to Hollywood. As pointed out below, Hollywood already redirects to this page and needs no further qualification. -- RegentsPark ( talk) 20:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Hollywood, Los Angeles, California → Hollywood, Los Angeles — Per Talk:Los Angeles#Various move requests involving LA Neighborhoods, it was decided that the California should be dropped from LA Neighborhoods, because the title of the LA article is Los Angeles, there is no other Los Angeles with neighborhood articles, and just because it was shorter ( WP:COMMONNAME). This is only about dropping the California. Don't turn it into dropping the Los Angeles as well!. Four other neighborhoods which had been accidentally left out of the discussion earlier are also included. Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 00:31, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
All material in Wikipedia must be verifiable. We now have over a dozen citations that look like this: "Los Angeles Times (January 10, 1982)" Back in the 1980s, the heyday of the newspaper, it published hundreds of pages a day. Even in simpler times it was voluminous. To simply list the date of publication, without even the article title much less the page number or byline, makes it very difficult to verify the citations. If the idea is to improve the article then these cites fall far short of the ideal and are almost useless. Will Beback talk 00:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I have deleted the text regarding the D.W Griffith first movie in Hollywood using the Phillip French web site. This is not a valid source for any reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.170.184.252 ( talk) 05:03, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I have deleted this again because the entry, "Prolific director D. W. Griffith was the first one to make a motion picture in Hollywood. His 17-minute short film In Old California, which was released on 10 March 1910, was filmed entirely in the village of Hollywood.[24], is not in compliance with the Wikipedia guidelines regarding the us of references. This is a web site that has no credibility. Will Beback should not demand this site to be a referance. In past Will Beback has demanded that the use of an unreferenced website to be removed because of the Wikipedia policy. Does Will Beback have a double standard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.170.184.252 ( talk) 06:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure who this person is but it is not my relative. As I am sure you know we had agreed to disagree. Perhaps it is a old time Hollywood resident. They would know that Griffith never said he was the first to film in Hollywood because he wasn't. He lived into the 1940 and I am sure he would have if he did. I think what has happened is he went outside of Los Angeles to film but not as far as Hollywood. But now almost 100 years later someone is trying to change history. I have no control over who is doing this but I am stilling watching to keep history correct. However I am still honoring our agreement. I am trying to sign my post but at 86 years old I must have made a mistake again. I clicked the wavy line below and my signature did not appear. so I will just try and put whithj. Whithj ( talk) 18:21, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I tried to post earlier and it was lost. I hope it does not appear as a duplicate so here goes. I do not find "The Guardian" as a bad source however I do not feel they verify the historical information they post. I would be happier if you could find a book that was published between 1920-1950 that stated this information. I believe D W Griffith lived into the 1940's and he never stated he had filmed the first Hollywood movie. The Hollywood community which includes the "Hollywood Heritege Museum" does not support this finding. I think perhaps a movie was done on the outskirts of Los Angeles and now someone is trying to claim it is Hollywood. My great-grandmother wrote in her journal and personally told me that the first filming in Hollywood was done on October 26, 1911 by Al Christi and the Horseley Brothers. They went on to form Nestor Studios. Since I have not been able to find any historical source before 1950 that contradicts this I will stand firm that the first movie filmed in Hollywood was filmed on October 26,1911. However, since I agreed to disagree with you I will not change the listing even though I feel it is misleading. Whithj ( talk) 23:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
how much does it cost to live there? not in the rich district, but for regular people-- 99.101.160.159 ( talk) 23:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering? 109.154.25.148 ( talk) 20:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
This: "a highly diverse, densely populated, mostly immigrant, low-income residential neighborhood" seems politicized and too insecure for a lede, especially in an imporrtant article. It is clunky and not representative of a good article on Hollywood. Jack B108 ( talk) 16:14, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. The proponent would like all the neighborhoods of Los Angeles to have a common style, which is 'XXX, Los Angeles'. He has also suggested (bottom of page) that some uses of Hollywood actually refer to the US film industry. To the extent that this move is asking for 'Hollywood, Los Angeles' it does not have consensus. There's already a hatnote on the article that will help to direct people who should be looking for Cinema of the United States. The 2010 consensus in Talk:Los Angeles/Archive 5 merely implies that 'XXX, Los Angeles, California' can drop the use of California. That previous discussion says nothing about whether XXX has to move to 'XXX, Los Angeles' if it is currently missing the 'Los Angeles.' EdJohnston ( talk) 02:42, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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Hollywood, Los Angeles – Consensus was reached at
Talk:Los_Angeles/Archive_5#Various_move_requests_involving_LA_Neighborhoods to rename all L.A. neighborhoods, but
Hollywood appears to be the only neighborhood not to have followed suit. It is important to Wikipedia that this article be recognized as concerning the neighborhood and not as an article about the motion picture industry or "Hollywood" as a stereotyped concept. There seems to be no reason for not adhering to the general naming policy for Los Angeles neighborhoods
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Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English. Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles.
In the Motion picture industry section, the sentence "By 1912, major motion-picture companies had set up production near or in Los Angeles because of the location's proximity to Mexico, as well as the region's favorable year-round weather.[16]" doesn't make it clear why being close to Mexico is part of the reason why motion picture companies set up production in LA. I can hazard a guess — perhaps there was plenty of cheap labor? But I really have no idea. Besides, if being close to Mexico was so helpful, why didn't they set up shop in San Diego, which is much closer? In fact, the Cinema of the United States article has the exact same sentence, also with no explanation. Damienivan ( talk) 23:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
The City of L.A. posted a city plaque on Melrose just past La Cienega, calling the area "Hollywood" according to Mapping LA this is not part of Hollywood borders. The City may view it otherwise and they are the official source. Can someone look to another source to cite for the borders?
-- Daniel E Romero ( talk) 18:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
>> Hollywood: Chronicle of an Empire ( Lihaas ( talk) 16:54, 25 February 2014 (UTC)).
There should be a section clearly stating that Hollywood has changed in terms that they are now a political machine mostly serving elites, socialites with a muslim agenda (iranians).
suggested to include this section: Hollywood has become increasingly political. Most of Hollywood actors are supporters of the DNC and pro-muslim, pro-liberal gay and were instrumental in electing Barack Obama to the office. http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/22/celebrity-activist-hollywood-pf-philo-cz_sc_1122celeb.html. A current trend is for actors to advise on political candidates in exchange for funding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.172.72.45 ( talk)
It says that Hollywood is flanked by East Hollywood to the East, but the mapping LA map in the section shows East Hollywood within the boundaries of Hollywood. Thoughts?— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 03:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
There is presently an article for Greater Hollywood, Los Angeles. This article has gone unsourced since 2006. From searching, it's obvious that "Greater Hollywood" is a term in wide use, but there doesn't seem to be any widespread agreement on what precisely it means, and there's no coverage I could find of the "Greater Hollywood" area per se (just business describing themselves as serving the Greater Hollywood community). Under the circumstances I think it would make sense to merge that article into this one. Thoughts? —Tim Pierce ( talk) 13:24, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Holyrood, Scotland where one of the Queen's palaces are? CaribDigita ( talk) 17:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Royal Sun Alliance that recently had accounting scandals has been insuring Hollywood and may have involvement in other illegal activities such as spying.
Hollywood was initially established by the drug mafia for money laundering purposes. With Bollywood now also using Hollywood studios significant amounts of drug money from the Caribbean and Latin America is laundered into movie revenues. Bollywood has a significant presence in illegal activities in Jamaica, Queens and Hollywood in Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.49.248.95 ( talk)
I have noticed that many articles describe neighborhoods in Los Angeles as districts. To my knowledge the City of Los Angeles refers to regions of the city as neighborhoods and does not mention the word "districts" in any description. For now, I'm going to change the intro and infobox to reflect this, based off the info from LAcity.org and the Los Angeles Neighborhood Councils. If anyone can show me something official that mentions districts (and which neighborhoods are districts, if any), feel free to change it back.-- Jkfp2004 ( talk) 07:15, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm a little confused about the words "Economically diverse" this part in the lead,
Hollywood is also a highly ethnically diverse, densely populated, economically diverse neighborhood and retail business district.
The median price of homes in Hollywood is about $1.31 million and the average price of rent is $10,000. How in any way can this be considered "economically diverse"?
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The section Incorporation and merger says:
Hollywood was incorporated as a municipality on November 14, 1903, by a vote of 88 for and 77 against. On January 30, 1904, the voters in Hollywood decided, by a vote of 113 to 96, for the banishment of liquor in the city, except when it was being sold for medicinal purposes. Neither hotels nor restaurants were allowed to serve wine or liquor before or after meals.
Obviously this was a city ordinance and nothing to do with the later Congress imposition of Prohibition, ( and so not repealed by that Repeal ), but was it ever ended, or has no alcohol ever been drunk in Hollywood from 1904 to now ?
Claverhouse ( talk) 21:04, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
This part of the article is informative "By 1912, major motion-picture companies had set up production near or in Los Angeles.[17] In the early 1900s, most motion picture patents were held by Thomas Edison's Motion Picture Patents Company in New Jersey, and filmmakers were often sued to stop their productions. To escape this, filmmakers began moving out west, where Edison's patents could not be enforced" but it should probably name who these filmmakers are, like which ones or reference a source to the statement. I've noticed neither this article nor /info/en/?search=Cinema_of_the_United_States nor /info/en/?search=Motion_Picture_Patents_Company mention exactly which studios would not pay their licensing fees to Edison. The articles only mention that film makers began moving out west but none of the articles name exactly which ones did so to escape Edison. One of the articles mentions which companies moved west and I can see the years they moved on the company wiki page but moving doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't pay. One/all of these articles needs to name who the companies are so it can be fact checked or at least give a reliable source to the statements. Lenneth ( talk) 13:49, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I am the grandson of HJ Whitley, the Father of Hollywood. I am 86 years old and I am going to try to correct the history of Hollywood section. Because of my age it may take awhile. I would appreciate that when I do post text with references that the old history which is incorrect is not just put back. I realize that a book published in 1936 or so had much incorrect information and is used as a source for future books that are now being published. The information I have came from my grandparents and sources that are reliable. I will reference them and hopefully this will solve the problem. If you have any questions feel free to address them in this section. I am not well versed in computers so I hope you will be patient with me. Thanks for helping me correct history. Whithj ( talk) 21:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC) whithj
Are these papers published or in a public library? If they are privately held then they aren't verifiable and shouldn't be used as sources.
There are many mentions of Whitley in the L.A. Times archive, but I can't find this article on that date. Is it correct? Will Beback talk 01:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
The papers are in the UCLA Library. The LA Times article is correct. Contact the LA Times archives. Whithj ( talk) 07:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)whithj
The publications are in the Charles E. Young Research Library Department of Special Collections. They have been historically verified by the library staff Whithj ( talk) 07:26, 17 June 2010 (UTC)whithj.
Los Angeles Times Historical Archives (ProQuest) 2 Digitized reproduction of the Los Angeles Times from its beginnings. Currently contains 1881-1986. Searchable by (keywords, author's names, articles, dates, etc.) or browseable by full page or issue. Includes photos, graphics and advertisements. Found in the Los Angles Public Library. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whithj ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Please go to www.thefatherofhollywood.com. It has many of the L A Times Articles and will continue to have more each day. It is very time consuming to post all this so please be patient. The Keith book is no longer self-published. It has been picked up by Tate Publishing and will be released August 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whithj ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Actually the book is published and copies are sold. The release date is August 2010 because it is waiting for the audio to be finished. The Whitley Papers are used as sources in the Owensmouth Baby by Catherine Mulholland done by the Santa Susana Press which is a University Press. Did you go and look at the Los Angeles Times References at http://www.thefatherofhollywood.com/media_Room.shtml as I asked. You will see that there are quite a few of them listed. Can you help link them. I am 86 and getting worn out trying to do this but I will not stop until it is done. It may just take me a while. I am sure that you and I have much in common - mainly our desire to make sure that history is told truthfully. Also I had asked if their was any area of concern? I have added some links by scanning a few pages of Catherine Mulhollands book. She is the daughter of William Mulholland. I am sure you have heard of him. Whithj ( talk) 02:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
The first version of The Father of Hollywood was published by BookSurge, a vanity press. The new edition is published by Tate Publishing & Enterprises, which is also considered a vanity press. [4] Per WP:SELFPUB, neither edition would qualify as a source for Wikipedia. Will Beback talk 03:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually who is the "Publisher Standards Board" I tried all the links on their site and they go to no where. That said I wonder if you have even looked at the links I have tried to work on. You will see there are many. Why do you still question H J Whitley's role in Hollywood? Do you still question that he is the "Father of Hollywood'? What other information do you have that were historically printed before 1950? Thanks for letting me know where you are getting historically correct info so I can review it. Whithj ( talk) 22:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
I find it interesting that the first book you listed as reliable is a book by Edwin O Palmer. It is a self-published book. It also had a very limited printing and would be almost impossible for most people to verify. I am posting a link to the Title page and also a comment made by the author. He states that many errors have been made in the book as much of the information is just his memory about what he heard from others. He was not at the events. [9]Additionally attached is a letter by H J Whitley. He had concerns about Palmer's book when he was alive and hoped that he could convince Palmer to correct his misinformation. [10]. I also contacted the publisher of "Early Hollywood" by Arcadia Publishing. I asked them to correct their mistakes but they said to contact the author as they did not monitor what was printed. They just published what the author wrote. I attempted to contact Robert Nudelman but he had passed away. My daughter talked to Bruce Torrence who told her his information had come from Palmer's book. That is why his information is also incorrect. I have not had time yet to contact the others but I am fairly confident that Palmer's book was their source of information regarding early Hollywood. Can you give me any reliable sources that comply to Wikipedia guidelines. I am going to repost the diary information you deleted as it is part of a published book and historical magazine published by the University of Pacific, The California Historian. Tate Publishing is a traditional publisher. Please do not use Google Blogs to give misinformation. The Publisher has stated this information on Wikipedia and you should have not deleted that information. Why are you so confrontational? What is your true agenda in this matter? Whithj ( talk) 15:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Since you seem to not like self published books maybe you should delete Gregory Paul Williams book. It was self-published. It is in the biography section at the bottom of the page. Whithj ( talk) 23:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Now that we're six years on from this discussion, I think it's time to revisit and modify how the page represents how Hollywood acquired its name.
The second paragraph within "Early history and development" currently begins with "[a]ccording to the diary of H. J. Whitley, known as the "Father of Hollywood", on his honeymoon in 1886 he stood at the top of the hill looking out over the valley." Note 7 points not to H.J. Whitley's diary, but to something said to have come from an 1886 entry in the diary of his wife, Margaret V. Whitley. Gaelyn Whitley Keith, author of The Father of Hollywood (discussion above), and owner of the site at which that image given in Note 7 sits, has told me that "[t]he page was hand written by my great-grandmother, Margaret Virginia Whitley. It is an account of her honeymoon adventure with my great-grandfather H J Whitley. I do not have an exact date of the writing but the event occurred in 1886." The image at Note 7, then, seems not to be a diary entry and cannot be documented (at least as of this writing) as contemporaneous with the anecdote told in this piece of writing. Getting an exact date and context for this piece of writing would be helpful; in the absence of such, the evidence for the Whitley anecdote is quite questionable in terms of documentation. I've been unable to find a contemporaneous or roughly contemporaneous telling of the Whitley anecdote in historical newspaper databases. Although its absence from, say, Southern California newspapers in the first half of the 20th-century isn't exactly damning, it is curious and perhaps suggests that the Whitley explanation for the naming of Hollywood existed solely as a family anecdote.
I don't know how Hollywood, California acquired its name and I have no horse in this race. I do understand the Whitley family's desire to preserve a place for H.J. and Margaret Whitley in the founding of Hollywood, but I regret to say that evidence that this anecdote reflects the inspiration for the naming of Hollywood is lacking. Consequently, the Whitley explanation should receive far less prominence on this page or it should be removed.
Regardless of who came up with the California toponym, I believe the earliest appearance of "Hollywood" with respect to the subdivision near Cahuenga Pass is February 2, 1887. The map is said to have been filed on February 1, 1887. There are slightly later appearances in Los Angeles-area newspapers that link the toponym to H.H. Wilcox.
If no strenuous objections crop up I'll likely amend the section on the naming of Hollywood within the next 30 days. B Taylor-Blake ( talk) 17:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I am removing the phrase "relatively low income" from the lede. There was a discussion over at the West Hills, Los Angeles talk page ( /info/en/?search=Talk:West_Hills,_Los_Angeles#Possible_canvassing) regarding terms like this.
rough consensus against the inclusion of terms such as "affluent" or "poor" in ledes to articles on cities and towns in general. The scope was not just "all Los Angeles neighborhoods", but all settlement articles. And it wasn't restricted to the word "affluent", but all similar terms. Phatblackmama ( talk) 23:34, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
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Toyon is a prominent component of the coastal sage scrub plant community, and is a part of drought-adapted chaparral and mixed oak woodland habitats. It is also known by the common names Christmas berry and California holly. Accordingly, "the abundance of this species in the hills above Los Angeles... gave rise to the name Hollywood." [1]
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Moved as proposed as to "Hollywood"; as to the base page name, there is a clear consensus to disambiguate at this time. Although discussion centered on the neighborhood and the film industry, I note in passing that the disambiguation page has over 100 other meanings of "Hollywood". BD2412 T 18:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
– I believe the current names for these two articles has a few issues: it leaves Cinema of the United States at not its WP:COMMONNAME, leaves Hollywood not WP:CONSISTENT with all the other Neighborhoods of Los Angeles, and does not give the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term "Hollywood" to the movie industry. "Hollywood actor/actress", History of Hollywood, Hollywood blacklist etc., references to "Hollywood" in reliable sources and on Wikipedia are rarely referring to the actual physical location versus the industry named after it. The current situation leaves lots of room for erroneous links in articles to a specific (though still notable and important) Los Angeles neighborhood, many of which can be seen when looking at the list. Examples of reliable sources using "Hollywood" without clarifying they mean the industry not the place: [13] [14] [15] [16] [17]. I had difficulty finding articles that use "Hollywood" to refer to the place without clarifying they mean the neighborhood outside of local reports regarding construction and crime, since so much of a google search is about the movie industry. Cerebral726 ( talk) 17:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)