Please note that this article was split from Solidarity.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Thearticle currently uses 2 completely different referencing styles: Cites.php and embedded external links. Would it be so unreasonable to move said external links to footnotes, with {{ cite web}} used when pertinent? Circeus 23:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Please note that Solidarity was a GA before the split. I have now removed the GA notice from Solidarity as it has now considerable less content and one stub section. I however believe that this subarticle (History...) is worthy of GA, as it contains most of the 'good stuff' from Solidarity.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
This nomination is on hold for the following reasons: only wikilink dates that are in the format August 08, 2006 and all the external jumps need to be converted to footnotes. Otherwise, nice article. Rlevse 14:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I have corrected a few errors (mostly missing articles) of the grammatic and spelling variety; i daresay there are others, as i don't have a teacher's eagle eyes. I suspect the style still shows a few signs of having largely been translated into English; perhaps this might be worked over a bit more? Also, in the paragraph relating the election of the Contract Sejm (i hope i spelled that right!), i'm not sure what is meant by the election "turns"; is it cycles of voting? In addition, this is the first and only reference to the phrase Contract Sejim, and it isn't clear who the contract is between. Thanks. Lindsay H. 14:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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Could you stub the redlinks?
By the time I get to "Underground Solidarity (1982-1988)", I'm not sure what 'SB' means. Could this be re-iterated, or made clearer? - Francis Tyers · 08:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I plan to stub all the redlinks that have equivalents on pl wikipedia, hopefully today I will be done.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to instert back with a citation, I couldn' find one.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 22:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
It was later revealed that SB had prepared fake documents accusing Wałęsa of various immoral and illegal activities -- these were given to the Nobel committee in an attempt to derail the Wałęsa nomination
Piotrus requested that I take a look at the article's references for purpose of it's current FA nomination. After looking at the article, I added ref tags to areas that I would like to see a source for WP:V purpose. Overall, the article sufficiently passes the criteria for WP:WIAGA. However, for FA consideration there are some details that I would focus on to improve the article. Here are my thoughts.
Overall, I am very impressed with the quality of this article and I would like to see it reach it Feature Article status. If you have any questions or need help with anything let me know. Agne 10:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
This illustration doesn't seem to relate to anything particular in the text, and I can't understand the caption. Could we just drop this illustration? logologist| Talk 05:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
The USSR fell in 1991. logologist| Talk 07:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've edited the article for English and clarity, and think it now reads well. The contents appear well-researched and objective. I would still drop the Wieczór Wrocławia illustration, with its massive, indecipherable caption. logologist| Talk 09:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Motivated by some comments on FA page (and this talk too), my concern is the image overload. While one can not overestimate the value and the relevance of some of them, some other seem relatively less needed. Since my personal feelings are close to suggestions given by User: Indon on the FA nomination page, I suppress "25th anniversary concert" and "Pope-Reagan meeting".
Feel free to revert my "destructive" edit. Consider however that I've made it to reflect a potential consensus, since several independent editors suggested that there are too many images. The choice may depend on one's POV, anyway I did my best to select the less "quality/price coefficient" (and I do agree that all the images are relevant). -- Beaumont (@) 11:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it seems to fill up the space, but IMHO it is the less valuable picture and - probably - as a big one it contributes much to the general impression of picture overload. Maybe it's an illusion, but the suppression seems to reinforce some consensus. And how to keep all the pictures and, perhaps, even more in future? Actually, could we imagine a gallery on commons? It seems to be a solution when there are more interesting and relevant pictures than an article can contain. -- Beaumont (@) 21:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
How about replacing the opening TIME cover image with Solidarity logo ? The TIME cover seems too allegoric and difficult to understand (and ugly) for an opening illustration. -- Lysy talk 07:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
In the intro, shouldn't it say Solidarity began at the Lenin Shipyard, since that's what it was called at the time? Tempshill ( talk) 01:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
"It was the only time in recorded history that a quarter of a country's population (some 80% of the total Polish work force) had voluntarily joined a single organization" Majorities of people (not just 25%) in some small countries have voluntarily become Christians at some times in history. How can this be reworded more accurately, so that it excludes religious organizations? Nyttend ( talk) 04:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
"Solidarność Walcząca" means literally "Fighting Solidarity" (where fighting is an adjective), not "Solidarity Fights". I don't really know if this is relevant though. BeŻet ( talk) 15:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
a book of pope in further reading is general philosophical dissertation and has nothing to do with solidarity as trade union or political movement. i should be rather included in social solidarity -- 37uk ( talk) 21:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
i made some rearrangements of material, changing some subtitles to more descriptive. please give some comments if this is a good direction. i added also lacking information on first congress program. -- 37uk ( talk) 12:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I changed the translation of Ogólnopolskie Porozumienie Związków Zawodowych (OPZZ) to All-Poland Alliance of Trade Unions; this is how the organisation refers to itself on its English web page [3] and the name with which it is internationally affiliated to the ETUC [4].-- Goldsztajn ( talk) 12:58, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Most historical images use Commons:template:PD-Polish without citing books/articles proving that they were published before 1994. They should be deleted. Can any writers of this article either scan some other images which were published or find sources to back up {{Commons:template:PD-Polish}} claims of current images? I looked around in some materials I have access to and found some images here, but more is needed. -- Jarekt ( talk) 20:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
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I just came back from a family vacation in Poland where I heard the first-hand account of this day from the father of Małgorzata Sobka (Lublin) who worked at the WSK plant the day of the strike. He now lives on a hobby farm on the outskirts of Swidnik. It came up in conversation because Sobka worked with my wife's father, Antoni Grzegorczyk (d. May 2008) at WSK. While Tony was alive he used to boast that he started the strike when, on that day, he was sitting at a table in the cafeteria with some engineers and he found out the price of pork cutlets had gone up significantly. Tony "flew off the handle" (he did this alot) and said that he'd had enough and was on strike. The engineers laughed at him, but a few others decided to join in. There was some talk of how after contacting Gdansk to tell them they were on strike, Gdansk phoned a railway station closer to the Ukranian boarder and they stopped a trainload of meat as well - and that is when strikes started across the country. I don't speak Polish, however as I understand Sobka confirmed many of these details. He grows some really tasty tomatoes and red peppers now. My wife and her family were kicked out of Poland and emigrated to Canada due to her father's activities with Solidarity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelarmata ( talk • contribs) 12:20, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Very strange, there was a strike in August, not any founding. The strike in Stocznia Gdańska had several leaders, not LW and others and there were parallel strikes in Szczecin and Upper Silesia. Xx236 ( talk) 07:26, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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Please note that this article was split from Solidarity.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Thearticle currently uses 2 completely different referencing styles: Cites.php and embedded external links. Would it be so unreasonable to move said external links to footnotes, with {{ cite web}} used when pertinent? Circeus 23:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Please note that Solidarity was a GA before the split. I have now removed the GA notice from Solidarity as it has now considerable less content and one stub section. I however believe that this subarticle (History...) is worthy of GA, as it contains most of the 'good stuff' from Solidarity.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
This nomination is on hold for the following reasons: only wikilink dates that are in the format August 08, 2006 and all the external jumps need to be converted to footnotes. Otherwise, nice article. Rlevse 14:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I have corrected a few errors (mostly missing articles) of the grammatic and spelling variety; i daresay there are others, as i don't have a teacher's eagle eyes. I suspect the style still shows a few signs of having largely been translated into English; perhaps this might be worked over a bit more? Also, in the paragraph relating the election of the Contract Sejm (i hope i spelled that right!), i'm not sure what is meant by the election "turns"; is it cycles of voting? In addition, this is the first and only reference to the phrase Contract Sejim, and it isn't clear who the contract is between. Thanks. Lindsay H. 14:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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Could you stub the redlinks?
By the time I get to "Underground Solidarity (1982-1988)", I'm not sure what 'SB' means. Could this be re-iterated, or made clearer? - Francis Tyers · 08:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I plan to stub all the redlinks that have equivalents on pl wikipedia, hopefully today I will be done.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to instert back with a citation, I couldn' find one.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 22:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
It was later revealed that SB had prepared fake documents accusing Wałęsa of various immoral and illegal activities -- these were given to the Nobel committee in an attempt to derail the Wałęsa nomination
Piotrus requested that I take a look at the article's references for purpose of it's current FA nomination. After looking at the article, I added ref tags to areas that I would like to see a source for WP:V purpose. Overall, the article sufficiently passes the criteria for WP:WIAGA. However, for FA consideration there are some details that I would focus on to improve the article. Here are my thoughts.
Overall, I am very impressed with the quality of this article and I would like to see it reach it Feature Article status. If you have any questions or need help with anything let me know. Agne 10:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
This illustration doesn't seem to relate to anything particular in the text, and I can't understand the caption. Could we just drop this illustration? logologist| Talk 05:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
The USSR fell in 1991. logologist| Talk 07:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've edited the article for English and clarity, and think it now reads well. The contents appear well-researched and objective. I would still drop the Wieczór Wrocławia illustration, with its massive, indecipherable caption. logologist| Talk 09:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Motivated by some comments on FA page (and this talk too), my concern is the image overload. While one can not overestimate the value and the relevance of some of them, some other seem relatively less needed. Since my personal feelings are close to suggestions given by User: Indon on the FA nomination page, I suppress "25th anniversary concert" and "Pope-Reagan meeting".
Feel free to revert my "destructive" edit. Consider however that I've made it to reflect a potential consensus, since several independent editors suggested that there are too many images. The choice may depend on one's POV, anyway I did my best to select the less "quality/price coefficient" (and I do agree that all the images are relevant). -- Beaumont (@) 11:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it seems to fill up the space, but IMHO it is the less valuable picture and - probably - as a big one it contributes much to the general impression of picture overload. Maybe it's an illusion, but the suppression seems to reinforce some consensus. And how to keep all the pictures and, perhaps, even more in future? Actually, could we imagine a gallery on commons? It seems to be a solution when there are more interesting and relevant pictures than an article can contain. -- Beaumont (@) 21:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
How about replacing the opening TIME cover image with Solidarity logo ? The TIME cover seems too allegoric and difficult to understand (and ugly) for an opening illustration. -- Lysy talk 07:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
In the intro, shouldn't it say Solidarity began at the Lenin Shipyard, since that's what it was called at the time? Tempshill ( talk) 01:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
"It was the only time in recorded history that a quarter of a country's population (some 80% of the total Polish work force) had voluntarily joined a single organization" Majorities of people (not just 25%) in some small countries have voluntarily become Christians at some times in history. How can this be reworded more accurately, so that it excludes religious organizations? Nyttend ( talk) 04:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
"Solidarność Walcząca" means literally "Fighting Solidarity" (where fighting is an adjective), not "Solidarity Fights". I don't really know if this is relevant though. BeŻet ( talk) 15:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
a book of pope in further reading is general philosophical dissertation and has nothing to do with solidarity as trade union or political movement. i should be rather included in social solidarity -- 37uk ( talk) 21:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
i made some rearrangements of material, changing some subtitles to more descriptive. please give some comments if this is a good direction. i added also lacking information on first congress program. -- 37uk ( talk) 12:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I changed the translation of Ogólnopolskie Porozumienie Związków Zawodowych (OPZZ) to All-Poland Alliance of Trade Unions; this is how the organisation refers to itself on its English web page [3] and the name with which it is internationally affiliated to the ETUC [4].-- Goldsztajn ( talk) 12:58, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Most historical images use Commons:template:PD-Polish without citing books/articles proving that they were published before 1994. They should be deleted. Can any writers of this article either scan some other images which were published or find sources to back up {{Commons:template:PD-Polish}} claims of current images? I looked around in some materials I have access to and found some images here, but more is needed. -- Jarekt ( talk) 20:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
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I just came back from a family vacation in Poland where I heard the first-hand account of this day from the father of Małgorzata Sobka (Lublin) who worked at the WSK plant the day of the strike. He now lives on a hobby farm on the outskirts of Swidnik. It came up in conversation because Sobka worked with my wife's father, Antoni Grzegorczyk (d. May 2008) at WSK. While Tony was alive he used to boast that he started the strike when, on that day, he was sitting at a table in the cafeteria with some engineers and he found out the price of pork cutlets had gone up significantly. Tony "flew off the handle" (he did this alot) and said that he'd had enough and was on strike. The engineers laughed at him, but a few others decided to join in. There was some talk of how after contacting Gdansk to tell them they were on strike, Gdansk phoned a railway station closer to the Ukranian boarder and they stopped a trainload of meat as well - and that is when strikes started across the country. I don't speak Polish, however as I understand Sobka confirmed many of these details. He grows some really tasty tomatoes and red peppers now. My wife and her family were kicked out of Poland and emigrated to Canada due to her father's activities with Solidarity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelarmata ( talk • contribs) 12:20, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
Very strange, there was a strike in August, not any founding. The strike in Stocznia Gdańska had several leaders, not LW and others and there were parallel strikes in Szczecin and Upper Silesia. Xx236 ( talk) 07:26, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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