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Ivan Pidkova was a Moldavian Prince under the name "Ioan Potcoavă". Please, don't change his name on that page: most sources mention him as such, and note that he claimed to be a voivode's brother (and thus Moldavian/Romanian in name). I cited the Ukrainian variant, and linked the article to here. Could you please add the uk: category on the bottom of the page? I can't spell his name in Cyrilic. Thanks. Dahn 06:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
"Где два украинца, там три гетьмана" Any comments about this proverb? `' mikka (t) 01:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Was Tymofiy Orendarenko a hetman? See Talk:Taras Fedorovych.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't Hryhoriy Chorny be added to the list here?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 14:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
How about renaming the article to List of Hetmans of Dnieper Cossacks? While at it, please see the issues I raised at the template's talk. -- Irpen 03:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to support move. JPG-GR ( talk) 05:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hetmans of Ukrainian Cossacks → Hetmans of Dnieper Cossacks — Per Irpen's arguments here in short:
“ | Firstly, are we talking about the Hetmans of the Dnieper Cossacks only? The title suggests the wider scope and calls for
Pavlo Skoropadsky and even
Viktor Yushchenko to be included. For obvious reasons, these two relatively modern Ukrainian leaders do not belong to the same template as Orlyk and Doroshenko.
There is, however, a deeper issue best exemplified in Taras Fedorovych who I respect a whole lot but still... He was proclaimed hetman by the unregistered cossacks. Does it make him a hetman unquestionably enough for a template? |
” |
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.Neither Skoropadsky's Hetmanate nor Yushchenko's Ukraine is in danger of being mistaken for Ukrainian Cossacks. Subtelny uses the term, and even defines hetman as “highest military, administrative, and judicial office among Ukrainian Cossacks” (p 650). Magocsi uses the term too, but only attributively—I am speculating that he may be using Ukrainian here as a geographic but not ethnic reference, but that makes no difference to this argument. Neither author uses “Dnieper Cossack(s)”. — Michael Z. 2008-07-16 21:35 z
What about a move to Hetmans of Cossacks, or Cossack Hetmans? Is there a need to disambiguate with "Ukrainian"? Where there hetmans of non-Ukrainian Cossacks? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is he not listed here? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Where is the discussion regarding moving this page from Hetmans of Ukrainian Cossacks to Hetmans of Zaporizhian Cossacks, Ушкуйник? In fact, it's not even grammatically correct in the English language (i.e., it would have to be Hetmans of the Zaporizhian Cossacks to be correct). If you care to check the discussions on this talk page, there has been an RM in the past to change this article WP:TITLE from "Hetmans of Ukrainian Cossacks to Hetmans of Dnieper Cossacks". Furthermore, the convention would be Hetmans of the Zaporozhian Cossacks (as in Zaporozhian Cossacks as opposed to Zaporizhian Sich).
You've done to the same to "Rosumovskyi" via WP:OR in moving " Rozumovsky" to " Rasumofsky".
These are not bold moves but WP:POINTy moves in light of your involvement in refactoring content for the Kyrylo Rozumovskyi article, content in Cossack Hetmanate, and any article revolving around the history of Ukraine and historically notable Ukrainian people. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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Ivan Pidkova was a Moldavian Prince under the name "Ioan Potcoavă". Please, don't change his name on that page: most sources mention him as such, and note that he claimed to be a voivode's brother (and thus Moldavian/Romanian in name). I cited the Ukrainian variant, and linked the article to here. Could you please add the uk: category on the bottom of the page? I can't spell his name in Cyrilic. Thanks. Dahn 06:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
"Где два украинца, там три гетьмана" Any comments about this proverb? `' mikka (t) 01:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Was Tymofiy Orendarenko a hetman? See Talk:Taras Fedorovych.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 18:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't Hryhoriy Chorny be added to the list here?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 14:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
How about renaming the article to List of Hetmans of Dnieper Cossacks? While at it, please see the issues I raised at the template's talk. -- Irpen 03:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to support move. JPG-GR ( talk) 05:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hetmans of Ukrainian Cossacks → Hetmans of Dnieper Cossacks — Per Irpen's arguments here in short:
“ | Firstly, are we talking about the Hetmans of the Dnieper Cossacks only? The title suggests the wider scope and calls for
Pavlo Skoropadsky and even
Viktor Yushchenko to be included. For obvious reasons, these two relatively modern Ukrainian leaders do not belong to the same template as Orlyk and Doroshenko.
There is, however, a deeper issue best exemplified in Taras Fedorovych who I respect a whole lot but still... He was proclaimed hetman by the unregistered cossacks. Does it make him a hetman unquestionably enough for a template? |
” |
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.Neither Skoropadsky's Hetmanate nor Yushchenko's Ukraine is in danger of being mistaken for Ukrainian Cossacks. Subtelny uses the term, and even defines hetman as “highest military, administrative, and judicial office among Ukrainian Cossacks” (p 650). Magocsi uses the term too, but only attributively—I am speculating that he may be using Ukrainian here as a geographic but not ethnic reference, but that makes no difference to this argument. Neither author uses “Dnieper Cossack(s)”. — Michael Z. 2008-07-16 21:35 z
What about a move to Hetmans of Cossacks, or Cossack Hetmans? Is there a need to disambiguate with "Ukrainian"? Where there hetmans of non-Ukrainian Cossacks? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is he not listed here? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Where is the discussion regarding moving this page from Hetmans of Ukrainian Cossacks to Hetmans of Zaporizhian Cossacks, Ушкуйник? In fact, it's not even grammatically correct in the English language (i.e., it would have to be Hetmans of the Zaporizhian Cossacks to be correct). If you care to check the discussions on this talk page, there has been an RM in the past to change this article WP:TITLE from "Hetmans of Ukrainian Cossacks to Hetmans of Dnieper Cossacks". Furthermore, the convention would be Hetmans of the Zaporozhian Cossacks (as in Zaporozhian Cossacks as opposed to Zaporizhian Sich).
You've done to the same to "Rosumovskyi" via WP:OR in moving " Rozumovsky" to " Rasumofsky".
These are not bold moves but WP:POINTy moves in light of your involvement in refactoring content for the Kyrylo Rozumovskyi article, content in Cossack Hetmanate, and any article revolving around the history of Ukraine and historically notable Ukrainian people. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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