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First line reads "An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is a herbal or plant infusion and usually not made from the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis)." By that definition, coffee is a tisane, and the most popular tisane in the world. If that's the case, it should be mentioned prominently in the article. Dave ( talk) 19:45, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Technically that seems true, though it doesn't often seem referred to by this term. Drip coffee at least is literally a form of roasted fruit herbal tea. Whitebox ( talk) 21:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Re: recent edit -- What about non-black tea? Green/oolong/white tea is "real" tea in every sense, as are blends such as "Earl Green" (bergamot and green tea). // Utilitaritron
Earl Gray is bergamot and *black* tea, no?
I just clarified that. // Utilitaritron —Preceding undated comment added 23:36, 17 April 2005.
im korean, and i think the term for barley tea is bolicha, not holicha —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueaster ( talk • contribs) 08:30, 14 October 2005
I believe the bissap and hibiscus are the same species. Badagnani 05:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Roselle (dah/bissap) is a species of hibiscus. I've moved it to be listed under its English name Roselle, but put in the two common synonyms I know. I left the separate hibiscus listing, but added a note to see also Roselle, as I can't say for certain if it's the exact same plant or consumed in the same ways in the Middle East and/or Okinawa. Perhaps someone else can clear that up. -- Bluedude 65.0.192.177 ( talk) 10:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
What is the origin of drinking tea? It a related origin to soup? When, and where did people start drinking warm water? And flavouring it? When did this become routine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.144.241 ( talk) 22:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Some of this might be discussed on the other tea pages. Tea could have been the first "soup". A person would also likely need to have created a container and a means of heating it, and have found a plant that didn't kill them, with a pleasing flavor and those all might happen in any order by chance. I think some of the Chinese tea myths state that a person was boiling water and some leaves were blown in by the wind and the resulting infusion was found to taste good. However, you might be asking about something so ancient in human history that no 100% verifiable source can be found. Whitebox ( talk) 21:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
While I wasn't looking for anything quite this expansive, I can attest that I came to this page looking for information on the use of herbal teas historically, and there are really only a couple un-cited references to it. Pages for individual tisanes often give cited historical information about their use, so it seems like the information is out there, it's just a matter of presentation. 70.26.1.108 ( talk) 17:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
This article already emphasises the fact that anything containing tea leaves is not a tisane, that tisanes are not true teas. But no one wants to see scare-quotes in a heading i.e. Herbal "Tea", so let's make Tisane the primary name, leaving Herbal Tea as a redirect.
If there's no objections I'll just go ahead. Nick 17:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
A rename might be a good idea, as strictly speaking, if drinks do not come from
camelia sinensis they are not teas - they are tisanes.
ACEOREVIVED (
talk) 09:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Why would tisane be the correct word? Most herbal teas do not contain barley, and if the pedantic argument is the word tisane has changed its meaning, then why doesn't the same hold for the word tea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8003:2040:65ED:F008:6FC3:BE16 ( talk) 23:55, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Can someone possibly add the etymology of the word "tisane"? Because I've never heard of it before, not even in tea catalogs, advertisements, etc. Calicore 16:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
From OED:
It's not clear when it ceased to mean specifically the barley drink and became an infusion of any herb but the word has definitely been around for a long time.
I'm not surprised that you haven't seen it in catalogues. Most commercial sources just add the word "tea" to the end of whatever it is, whether it contains real tea leaves or not. Nick 17:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
most people aren't familiar with the term "Tisane".... Is it so much more important to be correct than to be practical and accesible Blueaster 04:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)?
What is people's opinion if we create an infusion category and maybe an extract category. I hate calling tisane tea :) -- Kupirijo 14:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). I'm sure that the vast majority of English speakers have never heard of a tisane (my spell-checker doesn't even recognize it), but everyone knows what an herbal tea is. That is simply the most common, most generally understood name for it. Most authoritative dictionaries define tea as an infusion of other herbs in addition to the usual meaning C. sinensis infusion, such as the American Heritage here. This dictionary isn't for "specialists," it is for general knowledge, and articles should be written and titled in a general way. Therefore this is a proposal for a page move to Herbal tea (or Herbal infusion if the first is too controversial). -- ♦♦♦Vlmastra♦♦♦ 03:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
As I sense a general consensus, I am moving Tisane to Herbal tea. Blueaster 19:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
wow, almost all of the links to this page refered to "hebal tea" and not "tisane".... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueaster ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay there little history menetioned. For example which area around the used herbal tea, years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.211.144 ( talk) 00:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is an herbal infusion made from anything other than the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis).
change to-->
An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is a infusion made from anything other than the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis).
The reason why this "herbal" would be deleted is because then the same line can be used with the coffee, tea, ginger ale, ... article and would show their similarities better.
KVDP ( talk) 13:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
In the article on stevia, at least 3 articles cited debunk the lack of carcinogen properties of the plant. Furthermore one study shows how the original paper on the carcinogen properties where due to flawed experimenting. In that context I believe it's unwarranted to keep the phrase "Be advised: Stevia may be carcinogenic." in an article about herbal tea. 24.200.41.142 ( talk) 13:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
A number of lines in this article refer to the 'therapeutic benefits' or effects of tisanes. I propose that this is altered as there is no therapeutic application for tisanes. While there may be perceived benefits I am not aware of any consensus regarding the actual effects, or mode of action, of tisane consumption to produce effects such as "stimulant, relaxant or sedative properties". While there may be specific examples which have been associated with these properties, I think it is misleading to state that tisane consumption has a therapeutic benefit, given that this specifically implies a defined mode of action with clinical outcomes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.117.137.71 ( talk) 09:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
The sentence: "Seeds and roots can also be boiled on a stove that does not use LPG." ... what's that about? -- Tagishsimon (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm an herbalist, and while I've heard many herbalists warn against chamomile's use in people who are allergic to ragweed, I have yet to see a single peer-reviewed source confirming that anaphalaxis has ever occurred as a result of someone with hay fever ingesting chamomile tea. I'm deathly allergic to ragweed-- I've actually had anaphalactic shock just from pollen exposure-- yet I've never had an allergic reaction to chamomile whatsoever.
Chamomile is GRAS (generally recognized as safe) by the FDA, even for infants. Considering that there is no source to back the alarmist warning against chamomile tea, I think it would be appropriate to remove it. If someone finds a peer-reviewed case report of this problem, they're welcome to re-add the warning. RabbitGrrrl ( talk) 20:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I've made a suggestion/comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soft Drinks/Coffee and Tea task force#Herbal tea template about a potential navbox/grouping. Just fyi, might spark some thoughts. -- Quiddity ( talk) 00:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
"Rooibos" is not the same as "red tea". The literal translation of "rooibos" is "red bush". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Virasana1234 ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved back. Discussion on this page is needed before any further renaming takes place. Yunshui 雲 水 11:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Tisane →
Herbal tea –
This week user:JohnnyMrNinja moved this page from
Herbal tea to
Tisane without discussion or consensus. This page has been stable at Herbal tea since it recieved a majority of opinions in a 2007 discussion about the article name. Johnny is correct that a majority is not consensus, however it is even more true that he doesn't have consensus for this move. This unilateral move violates the guidelines for moving a page at
WP:MOVE, and especially at
WP:RM/TR. It would be great to have another discussion about the article name, but before we do that it needs to be restored to it's stable name. Is there an administrator that could do that asap please? Thanks! --
Tom Hulse (
talk) 20:54, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
The comment about cannabis is ad hoc and has little to do with Herbal Teas. It should be reasonably connected with an infusion, or more likely, eliminated as extranious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.150.177 ( talk) 02:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I reverted this edit as the claims I looked at (valerian, chamomile), are cited on those article pages. The claims need citation needed tags so that they can be referenced here as well, and those that don't have can then be removed. Greenman ( talk) 08:18, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
k. this article has been
citation needed for ages. seemed like the time to start removing stuff war more now than later. i think this list is problematic for a few reasons. a small fraction have common uses, theres no standard format, and it doesnt really meet the list standards. the tone is a little weird too: 'pennyroyal: abortifacient, valerian: sedative' sounds like medical advice above and beyond the cited sources.
how do you feel about, instead of a section-wide-cn, changing them to '<HERB>: commonly used as <USE>
citation needed' until someone adds the refs for them?
Elliot.wolk (
talk) 17:24, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
This article has none. The short paragraph is the history of the "not-herbal" tea. It's like giving orange cultivation as the history of apples. Several people have asked for this, like when and how did people start drinking hot water with leaves in it. As it is, the so-called history needs to be removed as perfectly irrelevant. 141.239.177.153 ( talk) 14:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
The third sentence of this article sounds like non-sequitur to me. Indeed, the subject is not herbs nor their general use, rather teas and/or tisanes as they are generated from herbs. Thus, I might propose the following amendment to the text (with the appropriate citation, of course):
"Many herbal teas/tisanes are used in herbal medicine."
or:
"Many herbs used in teas/tisanes are also used in herbal medicine."
Thank you for considering my proposed amendments.
Kind regards. 2601:240:C402:9EB0:C51C:262A:48A8:759C ( talk) 04:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Looking at the top photo in the article, I was thinking that this isn't the greatest choice for illustrating herbal tea, since the caption states that it is a blend that contains green tea. However, having looked at the Commons file information for the photo, I note that there's no evidence there that the caption (including the link) accurately describes the beverage in the photo. (The photo is from 2011 and the caption was added in 2021). Is there something I'm missing? If I'm right that the caption is only speculation, we should remove it and replace it with a description based on the Commons file information for the photo. - Montréalais ( talk) 19:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
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First line reads "An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is a herbal or plant infusion and usually not made from the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis)." By that definition, coffee is a tisane, and the most popular tisane in the world. If that's the case, it should be mentioned prominently in the article. Dave ( talk) 19:45, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Technically that seems true, though it doesn't often seem referred to by this term. Drip coffee at least is literally a form of roasted fruit herbal tea. Whitebox ( talk) 21:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Re: recent edit -- What about non-black tea? Green/oolong/white tea is "real" tea in every sense, as are blends such as "Earl Green" (bergamot and green tea). // Utilitaritron
Earl Gray is bergamot and *black* tea, no?
I just clarified that. // Utilitaritron —Preceding undated comment added 23:36, 17 April 2005.
im korean, and i think the term for barley tea is bolicha, not holicha —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueaster ( talk • contribs) 08:30, 14 October 2005
I believe the bissap and hibiscus are the same species. Badagnani 05:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Roselle (dah/bissap) is a species of hibiscus. I've moved it to be listed under its English name Roselle, but put in the two common synonyms I know. I left the separate hibiscus listing, but added a note to see also Roselle, as I can't say for certain if it's the exact same plant or consumed in the same ways in the Middle East and/or Okinawa. Perhaps someone else can clear that up. -- Bluedude 65.0.192.177 ( talk) 10:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
What is the origin of drinking tea? It a related origin to soup? When, and where did people start drinking warm water? And flavouring it? When did this become routine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.144.241 ( talk) 22:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Some of this might be discussed on the other tea pages. Tea could have been the first "soup". A person would also likely need to have created a container and a means of heating it, and have found a plant that didn't kill them, with a pleasing flavor and those all might happen in any order by chance. I think some of the Chinese tea myths state that a person was boiling water and some leaves were blown in by the wind and the resulting infusion was found to taste good. However, you might be asking about something so ancient in human history that no 100% verifiable source can be found. Whitebox ( talk) 21:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
While I wasn't looking for anything quite this expansive, I can attest that I came to this page looking for information on the use of herbal teas historically, and there are really only a couple un-cited references to it. Pages for individual tisanes often give cited historical information about their use, so it seems like the information is out there, it's just a matter of presentation. 70.26.1.108 ( talk) 17:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
This article already emphasises the fact that anything containing tea leaves is not a tisane, that tisanes are not true teas. But no one wants to see scare-quotes in a heading i.e. Herbal "Tea", so let's make Tisane the primary name, leaving Herbal Tea as a redirect.
If there's no objections I'll just go ahead. Nick 17:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
A rename might be a good idea, as strictly speaking, if drinks do not come from
camelia sinensis they are not teas - they are tisanes.
ACEOREVIVED (
talk) 09:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Why would tisane be the correct word? Most herbal teas do not contain barley, and if the pedantic argument is the word tisane has changed its meaning, then why doesn't the same hold for the word tea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8003:2040:65ED:F008:6FC3:BE16 ( talk) 23:55, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Can someone possibly add the etymology of the word "tisane"? Because I've never heard of it before, not even in tea catalogs, advertisements, etc. Calicore 16:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
From OED:
It's not clear when it ceased to mean specifically the barley drink and became an infusion of any herb but the word has definitely been around for a long time.
I'm not surprised that you haven't seen it in catalogues. Most commercial sources just add the word "tea" to the end of whatever it is, whether it contains real tea leaves or not. Nick 17:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
most people aren't familiar with the term "Tisane".... Is it so much more important to be correct than to be practical and accesible Blueaster 04:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)?
What is people's opinion if we create an infusion category and maybe an extract category. I hate calling tisane tea :) -- Kupirijo 14:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). I'm sure that the vast majority of English speakers have never heard of a tisane (my spell-checker doesn't even recognize it), but everyone knows what an herbal tea is. That is simply the most common, most generally understood name for it. Most authoritative dictionaries define tea as an infusion of other herbs in addition to the usual meaning C. sinensis infusion, such as the American Heritage here. This dictionary isn't for "specialists," it is for general knowledge, and articles should be written and titled in a general way. Therefore this is a proposal for a page move to Herbal tea (or Herbal infusion if the first is too controversial). -- ♦♦♦Vlmastra♦♦♦ 03:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
As I sense a general consensus, I am moving Tisane to Herbal tea. Blueaster 19:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
wow, almost all of the links to this page refered to "hebal tea" and not "tisane".... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueaster ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay there little history menetioned. For example which area around the used herbal tea, years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.211.144 ( talk) 00:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is an herbal infusion made from anything other than the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis).
change to-->
An herbal tea, tisane, or ptisan is a infusion made from anything other than the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinensis).
The reason why this "herbal" would be deleted is because then the same line can be used with the coffee, tea, ginger ale, ... article and would show their similarities better.
KVDP ( talk) 13:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
In the article on stevia, at least 3 articles cited debunk the lack of carcinogen properties of the plant. Furthermore one study shows how the original paper on the carcinogen properties where due to flawed experimenting. In that context I believe it's unwarranted to keep the phrase "Be advised: Stevia may be carcinogenic." in an article about herbal tea. 24.200.41.142 ( talk) 13:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
A number of lines in this article refer to the 'therapeutic benefits' or effects of tisanes. I propose that this is altered as there is no therapeutic application for tisanes. While there may be perceived benefits I am not aware of any consensus regarding the actual effects, or mode of action, of tisane consumption to produce effects such as "stimulant, relaxant or sedative properties". While there may be specific examples which have been associated with these properties, I think it is misleading to state that tisane consumption has a therapeutic benefit, given that this specifically implies a defined mode of action with clinical outcomes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.117.137.71 ( talk) 09:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
The sentence: "Seeds and roots can also be boiled on a stove that does not use LPG." ... what's that about? -- Tagishsimon (talk) 23:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm an herbalist, and while I've heard many herbalists warn against chamomile's use in people who are allergic to ragweed, I have yet to see a single peer-reviewed source confirming that anaphalaxis has ever occurred as a result of someone with hay fever ingesting chamomile tea. I'm deathly allergic to ragweed-- I've actually had anaphalactic shock just from pollen exposure-- yet I've never had an allergic reaction to chamomile whatsoever.
Chamomile is GRAS (generally recognized as safe) by the FDA, even for infants. Considering that there is no source to back the alarmist warning against chamomile tea, I think it would be appropriate to remove it. If someone finds a peer-reviewed case report of this problem, they're welcome to re-add the warning. RabbitGrrrl ( talk) 20:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
I've made a suggestion/comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soft Drinks/Coffee and Tea task force#Herbal tea template about a potential navbox/grouping. Just fyi, might spark some thoughts. -- Quiddity ( talk) 00:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
"Rooibos" is not the same as "red tea". The literal translation of "rooibos" is "red bush". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Virasana1234 ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved back. Discussion on this page is needed before any further renaming takes place. Yunshui 雲 水 11:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Tisane →
Herbal tea –
This week user:JohnnyMrNinja moved this page from
Herbal tea to
Tisane without discussion or consensus. This page has been stable at Herbal tea since it recieved a majority of opinions in a 2007 discussion about the article name. Johnny is correct that a majority is not consensus, however it is even more true that he doesn't have consensus for this move. This unilateral move violates the guidelines for moving a page at
WP:MOVE, and especially at
WP:RM/TR. It would be great to have another discussion about the article name, but before we do that it needs to be restored to it's stable name. Is there an administrator that could do that asap please? Thanks! --
Tom Hulse (
talk) 20:54, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
The comment about cannabis is ad hoc and has little to do with Herbal Teas. It should be reasonably connected with an infusion, or more likely, eliminated as extranious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.150.177 ( talk) 02:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
I reverted this edit as the claims I looked at (valerian, chamomile), are cited on those article pages. The claims need citation needed tags so that they can be referenced here as well, and those that don't have can then be removed. Greenman ( talk) 08:18, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
k. this article has been
citation needed for ages. seemed like the time to start removing stuff war more now than later. i think this list is problematic for a few reasons. a small fraction have common uses, theres no standard format, and it doesnt really meet the list standards. the tone is a little weird too: 'pennyroyal: abortifacient, valerian: sedative' sounds like medical advice above and beyond the cited sources.
how do you feel about, instead of a section-wide-cn, changing them to '<HERB>: commonly used as <USE>
citation needed' until someone adds the refs for them?
Elliot.wolk (
talk) 17:24, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
This article has none. The short paragraph is the history of the "not-herbal" tea. It's like giving orange cultivation as the history of apples. Several people have asked for this, like when and how did people start drinking hot water with leaves in it. As it is, the so-called history needs to be removed as perfectly irrelevant. 141.239.177.153 ( talk) 14:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
The third sentence of this article sounds like non-sequitur to me. Indeed, the subject is not herbs nor their general use, rather teas and/or tisanes as they are generated from herbs. Thus, I might propose the following amendment to the text (with the appropriate citation, of course):
"Many herbal teas/tisanes are used in herbal medicine."
or:
"Many herbs used in teas/tisanes are also used in herbal medicine."
Thank you for considering my proposed amendments.
Kind regards. 2601:240:C402:9EB0:C51C:262A:48A8:759C ( talk) 04:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Looking at the top photo in the article, I was thinking that this isn't the greatest choice for illustrating herbal tea, since the caption states that it is a blend that contains green tea. However, having looked at the Commons file information for the photo, I note that there's no evidence there that the caption (including the link) accurately describes the beverage in the photo. (The photo is from 2011 and the caption was added in 2021). Is there something I'm missing? If I'm right that the caption is only speculation, we should remove it and replace it with a description based on the Commons file information for the photo. - Montréalais ( talk) 19:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)