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Does anyone have a decent source for this story, rather than "he told his friends"? It needs to be rewritten as well, due to the poor English, but I won't bother if someone can come up with a more reliable source. Bretonbanquet ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 01:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I was stumbling around the net trying to find sources for the 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix article when I found this. It's probably the source mentioned in the above report. I don't know how close this gets us to making a case for notability, but it is there if you want the original article. Apterygial talk stalk insane idea 02:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
There is no significance of adding details of each and every race of the season into this article. Race report articles are there to cover this area. In fact there are details in the article that are not even considered significant even for race articles. These details are trivial, poorly written, unsourced and use multiple peacock terms. e.g.
"In the next corner Hamilton ran wide again, having flat-spotted his front tyre at the start, and dropped down to 7th between Massa and Räikkönen. Kovalainen was therefore running in 3rd and feeling confident about scoring his second win, having qualified with much more fuel onboard than the front runners Kubica and Alonso. He was waiting for them to pit, the tyres and the car seemingly working perfectly, when on lap 16 his engine blew up, and he was once again left wondering what might have been"
"Kovalainen is the fourth Finn to race for the Woking based team, following Keke Rosberg, Mika Häkkinen and Kimi Räikkönen, all of whom have won the World Championship, albeit Mika Häkkinen being the only Finn to win the World Championship in a McLaren car"
I think that all such race information apart from notable incidents, such as first pole position, first win, accident etc., be immediately removed. Leave Sleaves talk 20:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Kovalainen began his first official testing session with McLaren on January 9 2008 with Pedro de la Rosa at Jerez, and continued the next day with Lewis Hamilton. Kovalainen's best laptime was 1:19.752, losing to Hamilton only by 0.061 seconds. On the third day of Jerez testing Kovalainen posted the fastest lap of the day with 1:17.974, a new lap record on the Jerez track for a V8 engine.
(de-indent) I'm not discouraging you from using Finnish references or asking you to remove them. I'm just requesting you to prefer English references wherever possible. Excessive use of non-English references is frowned upon since majority of readers do not know a specific foreign language and it is difficult for them to verify and/or read the actual source. You can read WP:VUE for this.
When it comes to details, it is once again the same thing I mentioned above. Those details seem important now but might not be significant few years later. Someday majority of the section, particularly his non-notable races would be removed to accommodate other information.
Now, about Kovalainen's reactions and comments. I find it strange that you provide a lot of attention to his tyre problems but do not mention his reactions after his first pole or his first win. I mean, those achievements are definitely more notable than his seasonal tyre problems. And as an encyclopedia, more attention should be devoted to facts and events and less to the person's perspective and opinion about the facts, don't you think? Leave Sleaves talk 21:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
He races for Team Lotus, not Lotus-Renault GP. Lotus-Renault GP is an entirely different team. Stop reverting to bad information. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.221.87.58 ( talk) 05:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
You're right, the constructor is Lotus-Renault but the team is entitled Team Lotus. Much like the team name for Red Bull is Red Bull Racing but addressed as a constructor as RBR-Renault, or how about these. Ferrari is Scuderia Ferrari. Sauber is STR-Ferrari. Seeing a pattern yet? The team name != constructor name. Again, you're in the wrong. [3] Don't believe me, click the link on the wiki page in your edit and you'll be redirected to the Lotus Renault GP. Congrats, you messed up again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.221.87.58 ( talk) 02:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
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Does anyone have a decent source for this story, rather than "he told his friends"? It needs to be rewritten as well, due to the poor English, but I won't bother if someone can come up with a more reliable source. Bretonbanquet ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 01:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I was stumbling around the net trying to find sources for the 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix article when I found this. It's probably the source mentioned in the above report. I don't know how close this gets us to making a case for notability, but it is there if you want the original article. Apterygial talk stalk insane idea 02:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
There is no significance of adding details of each and every race of the season into this article. Race report articles are there to cover this area. In fact there are details in the article that are not even considered significant even for race articles. These details are trivial, poorly written, unsourced and use multiple peacock terms. e.g.
"In the next corner Hamilton ran wide again, having flat-spotted his front tyre at the start, and dropped down to 7th between Massa and Räikkönen. Kovalainen was therefore running in 3rd and feeling confident about scoring his second win, having qualified with much more fuel onboard than the front runners Kubica and Alonso. He was waiting for them to pit, the tyres and the car seemingly working perfectly, when on lap 16 his engine blew up, and he was once again left wondering what might have been"
"Kovalainen is the fourth Finn to race for the Woking based team, following Keke Rosberg, Mika Häkkinen and Kimi Räikkönen, all of whom have won the World Championship, albeit Mika Häkkinen being the only Finn to win the World Championship in a McLaren car"
I think that all such race information apart from notable incidents, such as first pole position, first win, accident etc., be immediately removed. Leave Sleaves talk 20:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Kovalainen began his first official testing session with McLaren on January 9 2008 with Pedro de la Rosa at Jerez, and continued the next day with Lewis Hamilton. Kovalainen's best laptime was 1:19.752, losing to Hamilton only by 0.061 seconds. On the third day of Jerez testing Kovalainen posted the fastest lap of the day with 1:17.974, a new lap record on the Jerez track for a V8 engine.
(de-indent) I'm not discouraging you from using Finnish references or asking you to remove them. I'm just requesting you to prefer English references wherever possible. Excessive use of non-English references is frowned upon since majority of readers do not know a specific foreign language and it is difficult for them to verify and/or read the actual source. You can read WP:VUE for this.
When it comes to details, it is once again the same thing I mentioned above. Those details seem important now but might not be significant few years later. Someday majority of the section, particularly his non-notable races would be removed to accommodate other information.
Now, about Kovalainen's reactions and comments. I find it strange that you provide a lot of attention to his tyre problems but do not mention his reactions after his first pole or his first win. I mean, those achievements are definitely more notable than his seasonal tyre problems. And as an encyclopedia, more attention should be devoted to facts and events and less to the person's perspective and opinion about the facts, don't you think? Leave Sleaves talk 21:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
He races for Team Lotus, not Lotus-Renault GP. Lotus-Renault GP is an entirely different team. Stop reverting to bad information. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.221.87.58 ( talk) 05:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
You're right, the constructor is Lotus-Renault but the team is entitled Team Lotus. Much like the team name for Red Bull is Red Bull Racing but addressed as a constructor as RBR-Renault, or how about these. Ferrari is Scuderia Ferrari. Sauber is STR-Ferrari. Seeing a pattern yet? The team name != constructor name. Again, you're in the wrong. [3] Don't believe me, click the link on the wiki page in your edit and you'll be redirected to the Lotus Renault GP. Congrats, you messed up again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.221.87.58 ( talk) 02:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
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