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I removed the link to HeathBABY as this seems like a simple fansite. If this were his official site or something like that, I think it would belong in an encyclopedia. Otherwise, why pick that one site? -- Ricky81682 01:52, Nov 22, 2004
How is Heath Ledger "best known" for his part in Brokeback Mountain. Unless he is retiring from acting and isn't recognized by his previous films I think its questionable as to whether he is "best known" for anything at this point. Maybe this is his first leading role? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.59.4 ( talk • contribs)
Hi, I thought it would be fair to add that ledger denies that he spit at journalists. I added that to the relationship with the press section, with a link to a news site, and added the site in the references section. Is this an acceptable reference?
I deleted the bit about the lynching because it was pretty much ignored by practically all the major media, so I don't think it effected his relationship with it. Also, I don't think historians' information on lynching is relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.6.138.33 ( talk • contribs)
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hi... about the passage "These statements have been roundly disputed by archivists and historians, who allege that the last extra-legal public hanging in West Virginia occurred in 1931.[2]"....... --that is obviously a foolish statement and a foolish inclusion in the wiki because the word "lynching" does not mean "hanging". a lynching was any illegal murder/execution by mobs, usually murderous racist mobs. anyone who knows anything about the jim crow era (which probably excludes most of young america) would know that lynchings also included burnings and other killings, not just hanging. 128.119.237.89 04:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
A few days ago I removed a batch of links from several related artciles linking to vote for heath (oscar for heath) as I though them inappropiate under WP:NOT soapbox. I see it's been put back in, and rather than playing Hokey-cokey have moved discusssion here. I believe links to general fan sites are discouraged, unless the fan site is istelf either notable or the offical one. vote for heath comes across as too soapbox (the domain name enforces that view), I have no knowledge about heathbaby (see above) as that's also listed as "fan site". So, the two fan sites links, in, out, or shake them all about? MartinRe 10:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
the "vote for heath" should probably go, but the fan site is quite large, and generates massive hits, so i think it's fairly notabe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.6.138.33 ( talk • contribs)
Perhaps some of the comments Ledger made about how he would portray the character of the Joker in "The Dark Knight" should be briefly mentioned on this page. 66.24.229.233 22:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Why is Dirt Music, the novel by Tim Winton, listed under Ledger's filmography for 2008? IMDB says nothing of it, and neither does the Wikipedia entry for the novel itself. I think this information needs to be verified somehow. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.29.178.110 ( talk) 03:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC).
If someone needs a photo of Ledger I found one here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/howie_berlin/102081411/ -- Heida Maria 18:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
According to recent discussion in the Dark Knight Talk Page, there is evidence to suggest reasonable doubt as to the validity of the site where the image was taken, and thusly the authenticity of the image itself. Until we receive a confirmation from Warner Brothers, the blackout policy that prevents "ibelieveinharveydenttoo" from being contributed to Wiki applies here as well. Brokenwit 02:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
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how is it determined that his character in "Monster's Ball" was gay when he has sex with a prostitute in the beginning ? that would at least make him bi-sexual wouldn't it? Donald628 03:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
could you please add a photo of Heath as a child? thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.244.214.30 ( talk) 17:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23124067-661,00. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankenstud ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you think it would be beneficail to post some of the quotes that have so far appeared in the promo. Or maybe provide a link to the promo video that shows this? Thanks Frankenstud —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankenstud ( talk • contribs) 23:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
In the External Links section the URL for "Heath Ledger at Notable Names Database" contains an "|" in it.
DanielRJ ( talk) 23:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you people have nothing better to do than race to be the first to edit an article the minute something happens?
CNN had this on about 5 minutes ago. I see the article has already been fixed.
Tragic, indeed. 65.255.147.8 ( talk) 21:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
No details have been released aside from the cause of death, listed as "Martin Luther King Day."
Nothing about heroin, glad someone took that out. Talon 21:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Channel 7 Australia said he was surrounded by pills and he was found in his apartment by his housekeeper 3.30pm New York Time.
Could whoever locked this pay attention to what was locked in - bottom section, just says "gay guy". 64.231.133.245 ( talk) 22:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
on the news it said sleeping pills
Couldn't find any article that stated that he was found in the nude, dead. Might want to edit this out when possible
On the news just now it said the police are suspecting drug related death. Is this relevant for ledger fans to know if they are on wikipedia??.
Come on admins, semi-protect this page from all editing as vandals have been posting pornographic pictures here amongst other things. Don't disappoint us. The great kawa ( talk) 22:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The story Wikipedia has regarding Heath Ledger's death is grossly misquoted from the New York Times. The quote is as follows:
"At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building, at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of Mr. Ledger’s bedroom. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with pills scattered around his body. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities."
No mention of a dildo or viagra
news is saying they were sleeping pills
Post Chronicle has a decent report here: (unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212126134.shtml Smokefan2007 ( talk) 22:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I've upgraded the semi-protection to full protection. The details can get hashed out here in the Talk space rather than 8,000 edits/reverts in a 10 minute period. When people can agree on the relevant details and stop reverting the mention of his death as "vandalism", then it'll get unprotected. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
"At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of Mr. Ledger’s bedroom. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger unconscious. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities. The police said they did not suspect foul play and said they found pills near body."
nothing about "naked". PLease replace the quote that is there with the correct one.
Tvoz |
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The Times has changed their quote ... no better than us, I guess. Tvoz | talk 22:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
But the 5:28 NYT version says: At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building, at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of the bedroom Mr. Ledger was in. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with pills scattered around his body. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities.
The police said they did not suspect foul play. Officials said they believed Ms. Olsen, 21, was in California and said it was not clear how long or why Mr. Ledger had been in her apartment.
Several minor differences throughout, but a quote is a quote. Tvoz | talk 22:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Semi-protection I don't see why this isn't semi-protected. I want to fix the article ( as you can see, there is no {{refs}} section, and the {{cquote}} is broken), but I can't because I'm not an admin. Was semi-protection not enough? - Justin (koavf)· T· C· M 22:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
According to the NYTimes the apartment that Ledger was found dead in was not his but Mary-Kate Olsen's and she did not know why he was there. Unless I am wrong, I think the death section of this wiki page needs corrected. Dkocan ( talk) 22:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if TMZ is credible or not, but they are reporting it was not her apartment. Roneman90 ( talk) 22:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
There are conflicting stories about where exactly he was found. This TMZ article states he was NOT found at Mary-Kate Olsen's apartment, perhaps location should be left out until it is announced through "official" sources.
http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/22/not-mary-kates-apt --
EffinBoy (
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Update: It was confirmed that it was NOT her apartment, on Fox News.
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I would argue that the status of his role in The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus should be "Died during filming" rather than "Passed away during filming" per Wikipedia:Words to avoid Thayvian ( talk) 22:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
This extensive use of a news article does not fall under fair use:
Sewell Chan of The New York Times writes:
“ | "At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building, at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of Mr. Ledger’s bedroom. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with pills scattered around his body. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities. The police said they did not suspect foul play. The police said they believed Ms. Olsen, 21, was in California and said it was not clear why Mr. Ledger was in her apartment. " [1] | ” |
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Regardless of fair use, this is an entirely unnecessary quote. We wouldn't usually allow this much inane detail and I see no reason to make this article the exception. John Reaves 22:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
So, I went on MSN.comand found out that this Heath Ledger dude is dead, right? So I thought "He sounds familiar, but I don't know just quite where from. Hey, I'll go to good ol' Wikipedia!" And so I Googled Heath Ledger's name, and clicked on the link (after double-checking); when the article opened, a HUGE picture of...*cough* well, you know...*cough cough* a ding-a-ling...showed up...all over the page.
I think it's gone now...but I was hoping this can somehow be prevented from happening again.
-- Shania92 ( talk) 22:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm watching Fox News right now <It's about 4:03 PM CST> and about ten or fifteen minutes ago they said that they confirmed the apartment did NOT belong to Mary-Kate Olsen.
Right, because Fox News is the best source EVER. EsocksLAMB ( talk) 03:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
has it been confirmed or did they just find pills and assume? what is going on here. why add it to a drug related death category if it has not been confirmed?
Why are there persistent removals of the fact that he was found nude? -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 23:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed it once, because at the time it was only reported in one source which had a bunch of information that was not consistant with the majority of news reports. And I figured it would be better to be safe and go with a lack of information than to go back and correct misinformation. Counselorharry1 ( talk) 23:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Counselorharry1
NYPD and all major news networks have confirmed that he was found facing down and nude. Please refer to any news source (CNN, MSNBC, ETC.). They have all cited the NYPD. Viperbui ( talk) 02:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This is from the "initial blog post on Mr. Ledger’s death" on nytimes.com. It was last updated at 6:45 PM EST. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/index.html?ref=movies
The same paragraph is also present at the following link. http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/heath_ledger/index.html
"At 3:31 p.m., according to the police, a masseuse arrived at the fourth-floor apartment of the building, at 421 Broome Street, between Crosby and Lafayette Streets in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of the bedroom Mr. Ledger was in. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with sleeping pills — both prescription medication and nonprescription — on a night table. They moved his body to the floor and attempted to revive him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities."
The following link (article) does not mention the nudity.
To me it looks like a police source has given information to the New York Times that he was naked. Why should we believe all of the other information but not the part about him being naked? Reliefappearance ( talk) 00:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
He was found in bed, why do you need to explicitly state what most would assume anyway? MickMacNee ( talk) 01:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Suicide mean there was intent to kill oneself, but as far as we know it was an accident, so that should probably be removed. Roneman90 ( talk) 23:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} East718 made it clear with this edit that protection was only intended to be for a very brief time ("10 minutes") to deal with vandalism. However, with this edit, Nakon made it seem like the protection will be in place much longer. Please consider undoing Nakon's edit and assuring us non-admins that we will be able to edit this article again shortly. Mike R ( talk) 23:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Can someone semi-protect A Knight's Tale (film) too please? -- Yamanbaiia( free hugs!) 23:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The nytimes article specified his full name as "Heathcliff", so I have added it to the intro of the article along with the reference to back it up. -- Chuq (talk) 23:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
In the line for Dark Knight, the "other notes" says posthumous appearance. Is that really neccessary? Does it even matter that the film is coming out after he died? Unless he died in production, I don't see the point or value of that entry. It's not like Brandon Lee dying during The Crow and them creating footage of him. The movie is in the can already, has been for months. Howa0082 ( talk) 23:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
On this issue, I've created the category Category:Actors with posthumous work MickMacNee ( talk) 00:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
According to TMZ.com, they are claiming Heath had Pnumonia at time of death.
According to NY times, he didn't die in olsen-twin's apt. The statement was retracted/reversed. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.78.133.201 ( talk) 00:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.216.61 ( talk) 01:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I've added a Release section at The Dark Knight (film) with some coverage about how his death will affect the film. I don't know if there's anything that can be incorporated in the actor's article, but feel free to replicate any information. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Should there be a piece about the reactions from his death? Michelle Williams said she was "devastated", his family said they were "cut up" and even our Prime Minister has even released a statement. If that's not good enough for a small part about reactions, then I don't know what is. [4] Raven. 02:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Afterall, this is an article about Heath Ledger, not anyone else. And we need to keep to facts versus opinion. It is hard to lose someone but reactions do not contribute to the facts in this article. Viperbui ( talk) 02:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Notable reactions should absolutely be included. They can go in a separate subarticle if we have a lot of them. Everyking ( talk) 03:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so I'm guessing my add to the page about Kevin Rudd's and Michelle Williams' reactions are gonna stay there, but now, should it stay like that or should we add other "notable" celebrites/peoples reactions and make it into a subsection? This is a list of people who have released statements.
I personally feel that it should stay the way it is, but I am just bringing up the suggestion as other people may feel that it should change. Raven. 07:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This whole reactions section should be removed or truncated to remove direct quotes, at least until the short run press cycle has concluded. The fact that people are rationalizing Michelle Williams getting on a plane to New York as "notable" basically indicates the bar's been set so low for inclusion in this eulogy section that anyone could step over it. This is an encyclopedia, not a news ticker. Townlake ( talk) 19:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I just found this article in reaction to his death by the westboro baptist church.. Should this be included in? Link:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080122_heath-ledger-brokeback-mountain.pdf
Deavenger —Preceding comment was added at 00:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure about the police ruling out an accidental overdose? I don't really know much about this as I only just found out about it on the radio about an hour ago (I heard the name of the person who died but it was muffled by someone who was talking to me, I thought they said that Keith Richards had died! so I went on Wikipedia to check), but I'm pretty sure that I heard the radio announcer saying that Heath's cause of death was unknown but it was suspected as being a drug over-dose. From the looks of it (under the death heading of the Heath Ledger Wikipedia page) it seem all very well referenced and such, so I'm probaly wrong, but you know, just checkin'. Pitty about his death though. 28 though, jeez that's just too young.-- Maceo ( talk) 02:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
How does an autopsy prove if it was suicide or accidental? A level of drugs in the blood or however they find out he died isn't going to prove his intentions. Siouxsie18 ( talk) 03:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
In a recent interview (according to Headline News) Heath claimed that ehw as taking Ambien becuase he was getting very little sleep, due to his immersion in the 'Joker' character's psychopathic personality. The sleeping pills found beside him were reportedly otc. Because of his deep immersion in the character, it could possibly be a suicide, considering the frame of mind he would have had from tryinn to relate to the fucked-up character. He also could have just tried to take more pills becuase the prescription wasn't working well enough. More speculation is that he could have been drinking, which can lead to accidental overdoses when used in combination with sleeping aids.
This is jsut speculation on my part. I don't beleive ANYTHING about the pills or a suicide or an overdose should be included. The death is hardly 7 hours old, if that. Let the poor man rest. This is a wikipedia article. We rely on facts, NOT speculation. So, until there is an autopsy, I think that all editing should be locked.
Just my opinion... EsocksLAMB ( talk) 03:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
There's no proof the Ambien caused his death. When/If there is go ahead and put it in the article. Assuming he OD'ed on Ambien because he took 2 a several weeks ago is speculative and doesn't belong. Am I wrong here? I don't think so.
Reliefappearance (
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04:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This will become clear in the coming days, but for now I changed the line "He was filming The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus at the time of his death" to "The film The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, in which he had been cast, was in production at the time of his death." The Parnassus article's talk page notes that it's not clear whether he had been actually filming, whether he had started his parts or finished them or right in the middle or what. Tempshill ( talk) 03:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Pardon my ignorance; I don't have a college degree. The top of this page reads "This is not a forum for general discussion of the recent death of Heath Ledger...." If all of these recent posts are not a "forum for general discussion," what are they? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, or vandalize anything. It's a simple question. NBK1122 ( talk) 03:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The stuff about the rumours in Mary Kate Olsen's apartment with pearls and pills spilled all over the bed. The Mary Kate stuff is incorrect, and the pills and pearls sounds like crap. Even if it isn't, it doesn't sound very encylcopedic. Raven. 04:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Whoever added a link to "WikiNews" restored the misinformation; I have deleted the link to that extremely-misleading feature (which is fully protected and cannot be corrected currently). -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Why does it seem so relevant that everyone know he was found NAKED in bed? A significant number of people ARE naked when in bed. 99.248.53.179 ( talk) 04:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
On January 23, Ledger's father Kim Ledger, mother Sally Ledger-Bell and sister Katie Ledger appeared outside Ledger's mother's house in Applecross at 10.50am, when Mr Ledger read a short statement to the media. "We, Heath's family, confirm the very tragic, untimely and accidental passing of our dearly loved son, brother and doting father of Matilda, who was found in a peaceful sleep in his New York apartment by his housekeeper at 3.30pm (New York Time)," he said. "We would like to thank our friends and everyone around the world for their kind wishes at this time. Heath has touched so many people on so many different levels during his short life, but few had the pleasure to truly know him. He was a down-to-earth, generous, kind-hearted, life-loving and unselfish individual who was an extreme inspiration to many. Please now respect our family's need to grieve and come to terms with our loss privately."[1]
WTF? It is now 11:53 PM January 22nd. 74.173.84.148 ( talk) 04:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Australian Eastern Standard Time I'm guessing. Even though I'm from Adelaide, I'm pretty sure all the major news stations are that are reporting are in Sydney, Melbourne (all in eastern Australia). Raven. 05:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Hm, well that was easily explained. Sorry, I was robo-tripping when I noticed that. 74.173.84.148 ( talk) 06:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
CNN is reporting that the Olsen connection is false. It is probably worth noting this as a false rumor, since it was published (by CNN, among other outlets). 23skidoo ( talk) 05:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I was watching the BBC and they reported that after the housekeeper, was alerted by the massage therapist (who was let in by the housekeeper, despite not able to get him to answer the door, and set up the massage table (by prior appointment to relieve stress) but when she shook Ledger realized that something was wrong), panicked and used Ledger's mobile phone and call the last number on it which happen to be Mary-Kate Olsen's number. Mary-Kate told her that she would call an friend/bodyguard (sorry can't remember which) nearby the area who is also a paramedic to go and check up on him immediately. The housekeeper then calling back telling her that because he was very cold and that she dialed 911. There was a number of calls between them during this time and it was not sure why it was so. Topsaint ( talk) 13:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Ignore my insert above. It was obvious that it had been sorted out in the article to satisfactory level. My bad ;-) Topsaint ( talk) 14:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
New Article about Olsen phone calls and timeline for update Here is a new article about the timeline (updated!), maybe it is interesting http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/297307 Luzymae talk 14:42, 25 January 2008 (CET)
Although it was just recently added, I'm actually inclined to remove the bit about the Westboro Baptist Church announcing plans to picket the funeral. Regardless of whether it's true or not... I suppose I'll go for a "one of these doesn't belong" comparison: in the event of a celebrity's death, who should be quoted regarding the incident? (a) The local law enforcement authorities, (b) the family, and/or (c) Fred Phelps? Surely a lot of people will say a lot of things; not everything Phelps says is automagically relevant in all situations. – Luna Santin ( talk) 05:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
[outdent] It is already included in Westboro Baptist Church and perhaps it could be expanded there - it is about them, not about Ledger, and I think does not belong in his bio. Tvoz | talk 08:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please fix this article, someones vandalized it and protected it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.180.9 ( talk) 09:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
His date of death should actually be 23rd Jan '08, although it was the 22nd of Jan in the US where he died, it was already the 23rd Jan in Australia where he was born so the correct date of death should be that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.174.107.25 ( talk) 10:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The guy speaking said that Heath was selfish, not unselfish. No doubt he meant to say selfless or unselfish, but the fact remains, he said selfish.
After checking the source, I've noticed that they do indeed say unselfish in the quote. I advise another source be found, as it's incorrect. Murrawhip ( talk) 12:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Can this section be looked at and improved as far as sources go? I removed a link that redirected to a blog. I will try to add cite tags rather than remove unsourced material. TIA -- Tom 14:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
MSNBC says the following: "Police on Wednesday said they found bottles of prescription sleeping pills and anti-anxiety medication in his bedroom and in the bathroom; there were still pills in the bottles." Does anyone have a reliable source that says that there were definitively sleeping pills at the bed and not just in the bathroom? Also, we could use a source regarding OTC vs. prescription. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 17:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Sources cited have refuted those claims. The police commissioner's statement and subsequent news reports cited clarify. Citing speculations made from unnamed anonymous sources is irresponsible. -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The info about Ledger's music video "death scene," while an interesting coincidence, is not relevant, not encyclopedic, and IMO rather tasteless. Editing. 3Tigers ( talk) 18:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned about whether this information belongs in an encyclopedia, and if so, to what degree. It seems like a cherry-picked list of Ledger's negative run-ins with the press. Most of his press relations were positive and therefore did not make the news; no reporter writes, "Ledger gave a calm and boring press conference" as a story. Focusing on the sensational makes it sound like the norm, which is untruthful. 3Tigers ( talk) 18:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says he was found dead, then in the same sentence says he was found unconscious. If he was alive but unconscious when the housekeeper got there, surely he would have been taken to hospital? Katharineamy ( talk) 19:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) For clarification, here's an article that gives a detailed account of what happened between the time his housekeeper arrived at his apartment and the masseuse discovered he was dead. Reelm ( talk) 02:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
We may never know the true cause of death, or all the details surrounding his death, especially if its accidental. It may depend on what his family wants to release to the public. Should this be mentioned in the main article? (did we ever find out how the INXS lead singer died?) 99.248.53.179 ( talk) 00:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I Wikified "911" to the correct 9-1-1. Certainly American readers are familiar with 911 and what it is, but many users visit this site from outside the US where it is likely less familiar to them. Michaelh2001 ( talk) 03:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
A lot of news reports have said he had, among some other prescription drugs, Ambien in his room when he was found dead. Why doesn't this article mention the Ambien? Even the Ambien article mentions Heath Ledger, so why doesn't this article? It's a pretty big detail that is pretty much been mentioned by the press all over the world. Or are we leaving this bit of information out because it may affect potential sales of Sanofi-Aventis? JayKeaton ( talk) 02:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
One report that I heard of the prescription drugs found in the apartment did not cite "Ambien" but "Lunesta" and other reports have not confirmed the "Ambien" claims. One needs to wait until actual reliable third-party published sources and the toxicology analysis published via such sources are available. Do not cite speculations from unreliable sources. -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
A few weeks before his passing, Heath complained that he had trouble sleeping. Can someone elaborate with a verifiable source whether he had trouble sleeping at night or trouble sleeping at all? - Mardus ( talk) 22:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- “Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,” he said. “I couldn’t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.” One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.
I beleive i just read news report which changes much information cited in this article. In this news article, it has been claimed that his body was warm at the time the medics arrived there. Which should be added immediatley. Please read this article, the address is pasted below.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23124067-661,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.126.95.14 ( talk) 21:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
If someone needs a photo of Ledger I found one here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/howie_berlin/102081411/ -- Heida Maria 18:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Meh, that's okay. See below. miranda 15:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't like the picture of him in the article. It gives the impression that he is drug-addicted. Can someone please find a more flattering picture? 99.248.53.179 ( talk) 04:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
As unflattering as it is, that's what he has looked like in the past couple of months, busted up, drugged and worn out. It's always better to get a recent picture of him, because a picture from his 10 Things I Hate About You days (where he was attractive) isn't going to useful as that was about 10 years ago. Raven. 05:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
wake up buddy, the guy looks doped up. its just a fact. but anyways, it is a bad pic. in a biography you might find a pic taken during a bad time in some ones life but usually it would be lower down in the article. Har 1/23/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.164.241.16 ( talk) 10:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
You can find really bad pics of most celebrities these days, doesn't mean they look "doped up". I've seen unflattering pics of people I know that have the same look, and they're completely drug free.
Anyway, I think everyone can agree that it's a terrible picture, and the article could use a better one. (Especially now that he's deceased)
Who would put a bad pic of Elvis Presley, Gene Kelly, or Clark Gable for example? Or even living stars who aren't known for their looks, like Gene Wilder or woody Allen? Best pic would be one with a look that the person is "known" for. I think if anyone has a better one, they should replace it.
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Now that he is dead, it's acceptable to use a fair use image in the infobox, correct? If so, could someone who is informed about fair use policy find and upload one? Skomorokh confer 14:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The picture has to be removed as it does not fall under fair usage. All pictures of Ennis Del Mar are copyrighted, so Wikipedia can use a copyrighted picture for him. However, not all pictures of Heath Ledger are copyrighted, so a non-copyrighted one must be used. 172.142.118.103 ( talk) 18:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Fair use wouldn't apply to living actors so with the death of heath and no free images available, according to wiki policies, unless a free one is uploaded, a screen shot or a head shot would be justified under fair use. -- UKPhoenix79 ( talk) 07:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
If the copyright holder has objection for the image to be used (as seen above), the picture should be removed from the infobox and used solely to illustrate his character in Brokeback Mtn.. Seriously, there are free alts. out there. But, you have to ask the copyright holder for free use. Also, there are recently deceased persons without any images. miranda 10:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please not put his Brokeback Mountain picture in the infobox? That's a fair use image. miranda 06:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I have found and uploaded the following free image of Heath. I suggest it be swapped around ASAP to avoid the now invalid FU image. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
The original (darker version) is also available on Commons. miranda 21:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Do editors feel an image of Ledger's body being taken away by police would be an improvement to the article? Two such Creative Commons images are available [5] and [6]. Skomorokh confer 01:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
A body bag image would NOT enhance the article nor would it edify the reader. Please do not include. Thank-you! Sea Wolf ( talk) 01:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
See also the article for body bag. In the case of Ledger, might be useful for article on death of Heath Ledger. Chantessy 17:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
There are 2 non free images in the article, and I don't see any other purpose than illustration. Moreover, I think Image:Brokebackmountainheathledger.jpg's rationale is not good (it may be debatable when there was no free replacement, but the matter is moot now). I am removing both images, if there are no objection. -- lucasbfr talk 10:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Picture in infobox looks squat and deformed on my browser (Firefox 2.0 for Windows). Can that be fixed?
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Citations need to be fixed. I did some. But, whenever someone has time, use this to cite the links. miranda 04:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I recall an interview he gave either to a French or to a German journalist, I cannot remember which, in which he explained his parents went to great length when he was a kid to provide him with a very eclectic education, far beyond what is traditionally taught at school. I remember in particular how he said his father would teach him art and history while his mother taught him literature and languages. He mentioned he was comfortable in Spanish and fluent in French (his mum is a French teacher). I think this bit on his upbringing is worthy of appearing in his bio. Not every actor of this generation can claim to be so educated and well-rounded. Especially those born in a "Hollywood-wrecked family". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.93.5 ( talk) 11:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
An article in the January 23, 2008, issue of Variety noted that Ledger was "a highly rated chess player" [7] in a discussion about plans for him to direct an adaptation of Walter Tevis's novel The Queen’s Gambit. The article here at Wikipedia has no mention of Ledger's chess abilities. That certainly seems like it would be a worthy addition by someone knowledgeable about chess. 71.162.248.100 ( talk) 15:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
copied over from my talk page
Hi, I would appreciate it if you would restore the BLP tags to the article, rather than forcing a revert of your recent edit. The article contains much content about living persons even if the subject is dead and the BLP policies still very much apply to much of the content on the page. This is something that contributors to the article need to be made aware of. Thanks in advance. Nick ( talk) 11:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Although I like the explaination box (which I have actually adapted for a few articles where BLP still applies such as articles on bands and the like), I'm concerned about the precedent being set here and have in fact placed a question at the Biography Project. Has policy been changed, meaning that the BLP banner must now be kept on all articles on deceased individuals, particularly recently deceased ones, if any reference to people still alive is made? This is the first time I've seen this done but that's how precedent is made. I'm all for precedent, but it needs to be in line with policy. That also goes for making new templates. The current BLP template was created after consensus was reached, etc. We shouldn't be creating new templates addressing individual articles. 23skidoo ( talk) 18:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Why is this listed? Is it common practice for every biographical article to list everyone to whom a person was engaged and/or was living with? -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 17:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I think heathledger.net should be removed, because it is a fan site, and not a reliable source. miranda 22:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
CNN footage of Ledger's casket between the hearse and the Manhattan funeral home showed a Star of David on the casket which would appear to indicate that Ledger was Jewish. This was on the day the casket was transferred from the Medical Examiner's Office to the Manhattan funeral home.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.163.143.31 ( talk • contribs) Video footage at http://cbs2.com/video/?id=58160@kcbs.dayport.com The Star of David is on the top of the casket. This is the same video footage which I saw on TV where the Star of David was much more distinct (not as fussy) than in the internet video footage.
TV Guide reports on Ledger's cause of death as an accidental overdose. Reference here: Heath Ledge Cause of Death
Tubesurfer ( talk) 16:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Why are there quotes from friends, family and the Prime Minister about how tragic it is that he died? While it is tragic, these are not encyclopaedic and should be removed. Wikipedia is not a eulogy repository. Also, the fact that his friend boarded a plane to NYC is not notable in the least. When people die, many people will go to the person's funeral, and also say nice things about the person. This last section reads more like a People magazine article than an encyclopedia entry. Even though it is a current event, it can still read so that each event happened in the past, and can include information that will be of note years from now when it is no longer current. 162.136.192.1 ( talk) 16:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Have restored quotations, with the appropriate introductory sentences and colons. The quotations are highly pertinent and notable and should not be deleted, especially given the wild speculations currently cited throughout this article (via the entertainment news sources, which are not wholly reliable). -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm struggling to understand why this paragraph is 1) as extensive as it is and 2) in the 'Death' section. It's like reporting news that turns out to be no news. Can it be pared down and another home found for it? • Florrie• leave a note• 02:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The article states that Heath's death "will affect the marketing campaign" of the Dark Knight. Of course it is possible and will most likely, but no one can predict the future. Perhaps it should be revised. Mdriver1981 ( talk) 22:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Re: this matter: I added more recent sources and revised the presentation of statements in this article in a way that is not "original research" and that is not insensitive or speculative. Reliable third-party published, verifiable sources that do not depend on "unamed" or "anonymous" sources but that quote named authoritative sources need to be used in this article; see WP:V#Sources. (See earlier discussion posted above by other editors.) -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:15, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Why did you remove two sections with this edit? Pairadox ( talk) 03:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I did not [intend to] remove two sections. I [intended to make] the small changes that my editing summaries say. Someone else may have removed the sections; please examine the changes more carefully. -- NYScholar ( talk) 19:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC) [Added in brackets emphasis that that was not my intention. Don't know how it happened. If my small changes resulted in inadvertent deletion of the two sections, I apologize. Maybe there was some simultaneous editing going on, or maybe the way that I made the change by undoing an earlier change resulted in that happening. I can't figure that out now because I have to go offline. Again, sorry for anything inadvertent that may have occurred. -- NYScholar ( talk) 19:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The edits that I intended to make show up in red, as per the editing history summary that I composed to match them: diffs. Going offline after searching editing history. (I had no intention to remove sections.) -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
While I admire your dedication to accuracy, are you at all interested in consensus? • Florrie• leave a note• 07:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know what you are talking about. Please make your comments about specific edits on the talk page by adding section to the most recent part of the article's talk page. Please see "N.B." [in my talk page above]. Thank you. -- NYScholar ( talk) 19:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I added a comment on the talk page of the article re: sources, and I have made a few typographical corrections in the article today. I have to go offline now. Please comment on the talk page of the article at Talk:Heath Ledger. Thanks. -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
As far as consensus goes, Wikipedia editing consensus operates over time. One person's decision to remove properly-documented (reliably-sourced) pertinent information does not amount to "consensus." The changes that I made involve restoring a deleted source which is more recent than the previously-cited sources, and it updates the earlier emphasis of the statement so that it is more accurate. I am moving this discussion to the talk page of the article, where it is appropriate to discuss specific changes to the article that attempt to improve it. Thanks. [moved to this talk page of article.] -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
It's nearly the same size as the portions about his career; why is this being turned into a memorial and repository of speculation, ie Plummer's comments on his health and tabloid reports about the video? As I've said before, TransWorldNews, Us Weekly and Celebtv.com are not reliable sources. Pairadox ( talk) 23:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Removed the Resolved tag from this section - the Death section is growing rapidly again with a bunch of questionably-notable material. I'd to avoid more edit battles, so would rather get other editors' opinions before I start going into bold mode. Townlake ( talk) 21:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) In my view, this section is not currently "too large". -- NYScholar ( talk) 22:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Tabloid speculations do not belong highlighted in the "Personal" section of this biography of what was until very recently a living person. By moving the tabloid speculations about the video, which was indeed pulled before full broadcast, into the "Personal" section, it was given emphasis that it does not deserve. The whole subsection on it could be moved to talk for further discussion.
Christopher Plummer's words are those of a co-star and serve as an eye-witness account; they are his own views based on his experience working with Ledger. They are sourced and quoted exactly as presented in the source. They are not on a par with "unnamed" and "anonymous" sources referenced by tabloid newspapers. I have no objection to the removal of the accounts by transworld, UsWeekly, or Celebtv.com; I simply re-formatted them more accurately; I did not add those sources to this article. The "Death" section is now in subsections for greater ease of reading. So far, it is Heath Ledger's death that has catapulted him into the news this past week; that may alter, but right now, the article's focus is appropriate. If and when the cause of his death is clear (perhaps tomorrow--Tuesday--which is also super-primary election day in the U.S. and will be a busy time for U.S. based editors), the emphases of this article may change. We are doing the best we can with what is currently available. Please review the template. A current event template may also be necessary and useful for this article. -- NYScholar ( talk) 23:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I do not agree: "may" is the editor's language (my language) based on the fact that this has been and still is current speculation about cause of death, which is not yet factually determined (and may never be: we'll see). Many news sources cite "pneumonia" with no evidence; Plummer's words are, according to the source cited, "confirmation" that he was ill during the shoot. Otherwise, readers of this article will wonder where the idea of "pneumonia" and "walking pneumonia" come from in other news reports not giving sources; apparently, Plummer is such a source. For who he is: see Christopher Plummer; he is a world-renown actor, far more celebrated actually than Ledger himself was prior to his death. -- NYScholar ( talk) 23:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Heath Ledger#Memorial tributes, related public statements has two quotes, both should be trimmed a bit to encompass the spirit of the quote but only stick to adding to the narrative. Benji boi 06:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
“ | Heath has touched so many people on so many different levels during his short life, but few had the pleasure to truly know him. He was a down-to-earth, generous, kind-hearted, life-loving and unselfish individual who was an extreme inspiration to many. | ” |
In case the previous writers have not actually read the sources cited throughout the rest of this article, the emphases on the need for "privacy" to "grieve" are directly related to the lack of privacy occurring in the tabloid reporting that has occurred on and since January 22, 2008. See the archived talk page and the problematic sources that have been deleted from the article as well as those still in the article. Anyone who has followed this subject closely and fully read this article will know what the statements are referring to and how pertinent the references in the public statements are. [They relate to controversies raised in the news coverage, already cited in the article.] -- NYScholar ( talk) 01:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC) [added bracketed clarification. -- NYScholar ( talk) 01:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Consensus is clear. I've cleaned up that section again, including removal of the block quotes. I also removed a sentence about the family posting multiple tributes; it would have needed more context to make sense about why it was notable, and if that context is available, let's discuss. Townlake ( talk) 02:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I would say, then, remove all quotations from and citations to unreliable tabloid newspapers linked to and made throughout this article. The article is heavily weighted toward gossip. That emphasis is hardly "encyclopedic"--given the objections made by these other editors above. -- NYScholar ( talk) 02:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I've not reverted the deletions, but I've added some better spacing so that the illustration posts in the proper section fully. -- NYScholar ( talk) 02:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
This talk page needs serious clean-up. Could editors familiar with the article please tag talk threads with {{ stale}} and {{ resolved}} as appropriate and archive any old or non-relative threads? This is helpful not only to editors trying to understand what issues are currently in play but also to keeping the talk page size down for users with less than ideal connections. Benji boi 06:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Done
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It says Maggie Landon. Who, Why, and Where did this come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.144.30.200 ( talk) 20:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Corrected. You guys are damn fast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.144.30.200 ( talk) 20:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC) [:Moved to end of page. The ID of vandal who added the "Maggie Landon" and deleted sec. is available in the editing history summary. Glad it was reverted. Perhaps should be reported. -- NYScholar ( talk) 21:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I was identified in a project page complaint as the only one opposing [the removal of] the block quotations. So I have added the "Resolved" template (as requested) to the sections relating to it; someone has been removing those templates, initially without comment. That is not useful. Some people seem to argue just for the sake of argument. Those deletions of the resolved templates are not improving this article or this talk page on it. If you want to start up the controversy again, please start another section. The discussion in the previous section is "Resolved." -- NYScholar ( talk) 04:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC) [corr. in brackets. -- NYScholar ( talk) 05:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
It appears to me that some other editors are attempting to "micromanage" even this talk page! That is not helping. -- NYScholar ( talk) 05:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
For the record and by the way: I see absolutely no value in removing the extremely short (already edited) quotation excerpted from the official government media release of the Prime Minister of Australia, posted on the government site. -- NYScholar ( talk) 06:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I've also reorganized the whole article, so that it is more concise and more coherently organized, parallel other articles on actors (whether alive or dead). -- NYScholar ( talk) 06:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
-- NYScholar ( talk) 06:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC) <<
According to police, as reported by Al Baker in The New York Times, when housekeeper Teresa Solomon, who had arrived at approximately 12:30 p.m. EST to do household chores, entered the bedroom "At about 1 p.m. ... to change a light bulb in an adjacent bathroom[,] she found him on the bed face down, with the sheet pulled up to his shoulders, and heard him snoring." [2] Masseuse Diana Wolozin arrived at approximately 2:45 p.m. to give Ledger a massage, and when he did not emerge from his bedroom by 3 p.m., called his cell phone and received no answer. Wolozin entered the bedroom, began to set up the massage table, and tried to wake the unresponsive Ledger. [2] Baker reports that then Wolozin "entered the bedroom and saw him lying in bed. She took a massage table out of the closet and began to set it up near his bed. She then went over to him and shook him, but got no response. Using his cell phone, she used a speed-dial button to call Ms. Olsen in California to seek her guidance, knowing Ms. Olsen to be a friend of Mr. Ledger’s." [2]
"According to the authorities," Baker continues, "Ms. Wolozin told Ms. Olsen that Mr. Ledger was unconscious. Ms. Olsen said she would call some private security people she knew in New York, and hung up. Ms. Wolozin again shook Mr. Ledger, called Ms. Olsen a second time, and said she believed the situation was grave and would call 911." [2] According to Baker, "Ms. Wolozin called 911 at 3:26 p.m. to say that Mr. Ledger was not breathing. The call occurred less than 15 minutes since she had first seen him in bed and only a few moments after the first call to Ms. Olsen. The 911 operator urged Ms. Wolozin to try to revive Mr. Ledger, but Ms. Wolozin’s efforts were not successful." [2]
Seven minutes later, Baker reports, " Emergency medical workers arrived at 3:33 p.m., at almost exactly the same moment as a private security guard summoned by Ms. Olsen. The medical workers moved his body to the floor and then used a defibrillator and CPR, to no avail. Mr. Ledger was pronounced dead at 3:36 p.m. By that point, two other private security guards summoned by Ms. Olsen had arrived, as had police officers." [2]
Police said that they found prescription medication in the bathroom, that there were "no obvious signs" of suicide, and that they did not suspect foul play. [3]
The source cited still in this article in "Death" sec. already includes all this detailed information. People can just read it. (Too much q. from a single source.) -- NYScholar ( talk) 06:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The international dates have been changed to US date format (except for the infobox) but, according to WP:DATE - Strong national ties to a topic, the article may be styled on international format. If there are no serious objections, I shall re-format the article over the next day or two. • Florrie• leave a note• 09:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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I removed the link to HeathBABY as this seems like a simple fansite. If this were his official site or something like that, I think it would belong in an encyclopedia. Otherwise, why pick that one site? -- Ricky81682 01:52, Nov 22, 2004
How is Heath Ledger "best known" for his part in Brokeback Mountain. Unless he is retiring from acting and isn't recognized by his previous films I think its questionable as to whether he is "best known" for anything at this point. Maybe this is his first leading role? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.59.4 ( talk • contribs)
Hi, I thought it would be fair to add that ledger denies that he spit at journalists. I added that to the relationship with the press section, with a link to a news site, and added the site in the references section. Is this an acceptable reference?
I deleted the bit about the lynching because it was pretty much ignored by practically all the major media, so I don't think it effected his relationship with it. Also, I don't think historians' information on lynching is relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.6.138.33 ( talk • contribs)
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hi... about the passage "These statements have been roundly disputed by archivists and historians, who allege that the last extra-legal public hanging in West Virginia occurred in 1931.[2]"....... --that is obviously a foolish statement and a foolish inclusion in the wiki because the word "lynching" does not mean "hanging". a lynching was any illegal murder/execution by mobs, usually murderous racist mobs. anyone who knows anything about the jim crow era (which probably excludes most of young america) would know that lynchings also included burnings and other killings, not just hanging. 128.119.237.89 04:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
A few days ago I removed a batch of links from several related artciles linking to vote for heath (oscar for heath) as I though them inappropiate under WP:NOT soapbox. I see it's been put back in, and rather than playing Hokey-cokey have moved discusssion here. I believe links to general fan sites are discouraged, unless the fan site is istelf either notable or the offical one. vote for heath comes across as too soapbox (the domain name enforces that view), I have no knowledge about heathbaby (see above) as that's also listed as "fan site". So, the two fan sites links, in, out, or shake them all about? MartinRe 10:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
the "vote for heath" should probably go, but the fan site is quite large, and generates massive hits, so i think it's fairly notabe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.6.138.33 ( talk • contribs)
Perhaps some of the comments Ledger made about how he would portray the character of the Joker in "The Dark Knight" should be briefly mentioned on this page. 66.24.229.233 22:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Why is Dirt Music, the novel by Tim Winton, listed under Ledger's filmography for 2008? IMDB says nothing of it, and neither does the Wikipedia entry for the novel itself. I think this information needs to be verified somehow. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.29.178.110 ( talk) 03:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC).
If someone needs a photo of Ledger I found one here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/howie_berlin/102081411/ -- Heida Maria 18:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
According to recent discussion in the Dark Knight Talk Page, there is evidence to suggest reasonable doubt as to the validity of the site where the image was taken, and thusly the authenticity of the image itself. Until we receive a confirmation from Warner Brothers, the blackout policy that prevents "ibelieveinharveydenttoo" from being contributed to Wiki applies here as well. Brokenwit 02:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Image:Brokebackmountainheathledger.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 16:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
how is it determined that his character in "Monster's Ball" was gay when he has sex with a prostitute in the beginning ? that would at least make him bi-sexual wouldn't it? Donald628 03:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
could you please add a photo of Heath as a child? thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.244.214.30 ( talk) 17:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23124067-661,00. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankenstud ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you think it would be beneficail to post some of the quotes that have so far appeared in the promo. Or maybe provide a link to the promo video that shows this? Thanks Frankenstud —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankenstud ( talk • contribs) 23:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
In the External Links section the URL for "Heath Ledger at Notable Names Database" contains an "|" in it.
DanielRJ ( talk) 23:39, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you people have nothing better to do than race to be the first to edit an article the minute something happens?
CNN had this on about 5 minutes ago. I see the article has already been fixed.
Tragic, indeed. 65.255.147.8 ( talk) 21:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
No details have been released aside from the cause of death, listed as "Martin Luther King Day."
Nothing about heroin, glad someone took that out. Talon 21:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Channel 7 Australia said he was surrounded by pills and he was found in his apartment by his housekeeper 3.30pm New York Time.
Could whoever locked this pay attention to what was locked in - bottom section, just says "gay guy". 64.231.133.245 ( talk) 22:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
on the news it said sleeping pills
Couldn't find any article that stated that he was found in the nude, dead. Might want to edit this out when possible
On the news just now it said the police are suspecting drug related death. Is this relevant for ledger fans to know if they are on wikipedia??.
Come on admins, semi-protect this page from all editing as vandals have been posting pornographic pictures here amongst other things. Don't disappoint us. The great kawa ( talk) 22:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The story Wikipedia has regarding Heath Ledger's death is grossly misquoted from the New York Times. The quote is as follows:
"At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building, at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of Mr. Ledger’s bedroom. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with pills scattered around his body. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities."
No mention of a dildo or viagra
news is saying they were sleeping pills
Post Chronicle has a decent report here: (unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212126134.shtml Smokefan2007 ( talk) 22:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I've upgraded the semi-protection to full protection. The details can get hashed out here in the Talk space rather than 8,000 edits/reverts in a 10 minute period. When people can agree on the relevant details and stop reverting the mention of his death as "vandalism", then it'll get unprotected. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
"At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of Mr. Ledger’s bedroom. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger unconscious. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities. The police said they did not suspect foul play and said they found pills near body."
nothing about "naked". PLease replace the quote that is there with the correct one.
Tvoz |
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22:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The Times has changed their quote ... no better than us, I guess. Tvoz | talk 22:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
But the 5:28 NYT version says: At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building, at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of the bedroom Mr. Ledger was in. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with pills scattered around his body. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities.
The police said they did not suspect foul play. Officials said they believed Ms. Olsen, 21, was in California and said it was not clear how long or why Mr. Ledger had been in her apartment.
Several minor differences throughout, but a quote is a quote. Tvoz | talk 22:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Semi-protection I don't see why this isn't semi-protected. I want to fix the article ( as you can see, there is no {{refs}} section, and the {{cquote}} is broken), but I can't because I'm not an admin. Was semi-protection not enough? - Justin (koavf)· T· C· M 22:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
According to the NYTimes the apartment that Ledger was found dead in was not his but Mary-Kate Olsen's and she did not know why he was there. Unless I am wrong, I think the death section of this wiki page needs corrected. Dkocan ( talk) 22:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if TMZ is credible or not, but they are reporting it was not her apartment. Roneman90 ( talk) 22:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
There are conflicting stories about where exactly he was found. This TMZ article states he was NOT found at Mary-Kate Olsen's apartment, perhaps location should be left out until it is announced through "official" sources.
http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/22/not-mary-kates-apt --
EffinBoy (
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Update: It was confirmed that it was NOT her apartment, on Fox News.
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I would argue that the status of his role in The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus should be "Died during filming" rather than "Passed away during filming" per Wikipedia:Words to avoid Thayvian ( talk) 22:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
This extensive use of a news article does not fall under fair use:
Sewell Chan of The New York Times writes:
“ | "At 3:31 p.m., a masseuse arrived at Apartment 5A in the building, at 421 Broome Street in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger, the police said. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of Mr. Ledger’s bedroom. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with pills scattered around his body. They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities. The police said they did not suspect foul play. The police said they believed Ms. Olsen, 21, was in California and said it was not clear why Mr. Ledger was in her apartment. " [1] | ” |
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Guroadrunner ( talk • contribs)
Regardless of fair use, this is an entirely unnecessary quote. We wouldn't usually allow this much inane detail and I see no reason to make this article the exception. John Reaves 22:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
So, I went on MSN.comand found out that this Heath Ledger dude is dead, right? So I thought "He sounds familiar, but I don't know just quite where from. Hey, I'll go to good ol' Wikipedia!" And so I Googled Heath Ledger's name, and clicked on the link (after double-checking); when the article opened, a HUGE picture of...*cough* well, you know...*cough cough* a ding-a-ling...showed up...all over the page.
I think it's gone now...but I was hoping this can somehow be prevented from happening again.
-- Shania92 ( talk) 22:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm watching Fox News right now <It's about 4:03 PM CST> and about ten or fifteen minutes ago they said that they confirmed the apartment did NOT belong to Mary-Kate Olsen.
Right, because Fox News is the best source EVER. EsocksLAMB ( talk) 03:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
has it been confirmed or did they just find pills and assume? what is going on here. why add it to a drug related death category if it has not been confirmed?
Why are there persistent removals of the fact that he was found nude? -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 23:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed it once, because at the time it was only reported in one source which had a bunch of information that was not consistant with the majority of news reports. And I figured it would be better to be safe and go with a lack of information than to go back and correct misinformation. Counselorharry1 ( talk) 23:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Counselorharry1
NYPD and all major news networks have confirmed that he was found facing down and nude. Please refer to any news source (CNN, MSNBC, ETC.). They have all cited the NYPD. Viperbui ( talk) 02:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This is from the "initial blog post on Mr. Ledger’s death" on nytimes.com. It was last updated at 6:45 PM EST. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/index.html?ref=movies
The same paragraph is also present at the following link. http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/heath_ledger/index.html
"At 3:31 p.m., according to the police, a masseuse arrived at the fourth-floor apartment of the building, at 421 Broome Street, between Crosby and Lafayette Streets in SoHo, for an appointment with Mr. Ledger. The masseuse was let in to the home by a housekeeper, who then knocked on the door of the bedroom Mr. Ledger was in. When no one answered, the housekeeper and the masseuse opened the bedroom and found Mr. Ledger naked and unconscious on a bed, with sleeping pills — both prescription medication and nonprescription — on a night table. They moved his body to the floor and attempted to revive him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities."
The following link (article) does not mention the nudity.
To me it looks like a police source has given information to the New York Times that he was naked. Why should we believe all of the other information but not the part about him being naked? Reliefappearance ( talk) 00:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
He was found in bed, why do you need to explicitly state what most would assume anyway? MickMacNee ( talk) 01:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Suicide mean there was intent to kill oneself, but as far as we know it was an accident, so that should probably be removed. Roneman90 ( talk) 23:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} East718 made it clear with this edit that protection was only intended to be for a very brief time ("10 minutes") to deal with vandalism. However, with this edit, Nakon made it seem like the protection will be in place much longer. Please consider undoing Nakon's edit and assuring us non-admins that we will be able to edit this article again shortly. Mike R ( talk) 23:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Can someone semi-protect A Knight's Tale (film) too please? -- Yamanbaiia( free hugs!) 23:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The nytimes article specified his full name as "Heathcliff", so I have added it to the intro of the article along with the reference to back it up. -- Chuq (talk) 23:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
In the line for Dark Knight, the "other notes" says posthumous appearance. Is that really neccessary? Does it even matter that the film is coming out after he died? Unless he died in production, I don't see the point or value of that entry. It's not like Brandon Lee dying during The Crow and them creating footage of him. The movie is in the can already, has been for months. Howa0082 ( talk) 23:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
On this issue, I've created the category Category:Actors with posthumous work MickMacNee ( talk) 00:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
According to TMZ.com, they are claiming Heath had Pnumonia at time of death.
According to NY times, he didn't die in olsen-twin's apt. The statement was retracted/reversed. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.78.133.201 ( talk) 00:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.216.61 ( talk) 01:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I've added a Release section at The Dark Knight (film) with some coverage about how his death will affect the film. I don't know if there's anything that can be incorporated in the actor's article, but feel free to replicate any information. — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 01:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Should there be a piece about the reactions from his death? Michelle Williams said she was "devastated", his family said they were "cut up" and even our Prime Minister has even released a statement. If that's not good enough for a small part about reactions, then I don't know what is. [4] Raven. 02:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Afterall, this is an article about Heath Ledger, not anyone else. And we need to keep to facts versus opinion. It is hard to lose someone but reactions do not contribute to the facts in this article. Viperbui ( talk) 02:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Notable reactions should absolutely be included. They can go in a separate subarticle if we have a lot of them. Everyking ( talk) 03:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so I'm guessing my add to the page about Kevin Rudd's and Michelle Williams' reactions are gonna stay there, but now, should it stay like that or should we add other "notable" celebrites/peoples reactions and make it into a subsection? This is a list of people who have released statements.
I personally feel that it should stay the way it is, but I am just bringing up the suggestion as other people may feel that it should change. Raven. 07:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This whole reactions section should be removed or truncated to remove direct quotes, at least until the short run press cycle has concluded. The fact that people are rationalizing Michelle Williams getting on a plane to New York as "notable" basically indicates the bar's been set so low for inclusion in this eulogy section that anyone could step over it. This is an encyclopedia, not a news ticker. Townlake ( talk) 19:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I just found this article in reaction to his death by the westboro baptist church.. Should this be included in? Link:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fliers/20080122_heath-ledger-brokeback-mountain.pdf
Deavenger —Preceding comment was added at 00:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure about the police ruling out an accidental overdose? I don't really know much about this as I only just found out about it on the radio about an hour ago (I heard the name of the person who died but it was muffled by someone who was talking to me, I thought they said that Keith Richards had died! so I went on Wikipedia to check), but I'm pretty sure that I heard the radio announcer saying that Heath's cause of death was unknown but it was suspected as being a drug over-dose. From the looks of it (under the death heading of the Heath Ledger Wikipedia page) it seem all very well referenced and such, so I'm probaly wrong, but you know, just checkin'. Pitty about his death though. 28 though, jeez that's just too young.-- Maceo ( talk) 02:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
How does an autopsy prove if it was suicide or accidental? A level of drugs in the blood or however they find out he died isn't going to prove his intentions. Siouxsie18 ( talk) 03:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
In a recent interview (according to Headline News) Heath claimed that ehw as taking Ambien becuase he was getting very little sleep, due to his immersion in the 'Joker' character's psychopathic personality. The sleeping pills found beside him were reportedly otc. Because of his deep immersion in the character, it could possibly be a suicide, considering the frame of mind he would have had from tryinn to relate to the fucked-up character. He also could have just tried to take more pills becuase the prescription wasn't working well enough. More speculation is that he could have been drinking, which can lead to accidental overdoses when used in combination with sleeping aids.
This is jsut speculation on my part. I don't beleive ANYTHING about the pills or a suicide or an overdose should be included. The death is hardly 7 hours old, if that. Let the poor man rest. This is a wikipedia article. We rely on facts, NOT speculation. So, until there is an autopsy, I think that all editing should be locked.
Just my opinion... EsocksLAMB ( talk) 03:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
There's no proof the Ambien caused his death. When/If there is go ahead and put it in the article. Assuming he OD'ed on Ambien because he took 2 a several weeks ago is speculative and doesn't belong. Am I wrong here? I don't think so.
Reliefappearance (
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04:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This will become clear in the coming days, but for now I changed the line "He was filming The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus at the time of his death" to "The film The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, in which he had been cast, was in production at the time of his death." The Parnassus article's talk page notes that it's not clear whether he had been actually filming, whether he had started his parts or finished them or right in the middle or what. Tempshill ( talk) 03:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Pardon my ignorance; I don't have a college degree. The top of this page reads "This is not a forum for general discussion of the recent death of Heath Ledger...." If all of these recent posts are not a "forum for general discussion," what are they? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, or vandalize anything. It's a simple question. NBK1122 ( talk) 03:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The stuff about the rumours in Mary Kate Olsen's apartment with pearls and pills spilled all over the bed. The Mary Kate stuff is incorrect, and the pills and pearls sounds like crap. Even if it isn't, it doesn't sound very encylcopedic. Raven. 04:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Whoever added a link to "WikiNews" restored the misinformation; I have deleted the link to that extremely-misleading feature (which is fully protected and cannot be corrected currently). -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Why does it seem so relevant that everyone know he was found NAKED in bed? A significant number of people ARE naked when in bed. 99.248.53.179 ( talk) 04:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
On January 23, Ledger's father Kim Ledger, mother Sally Ledger-Bell and sister Katie Ledger appeared outside Ledger's mother's house in Applecross at 10.50am, when Mr Ledger read a short statement to the media. "We, Heath's family, confirm the very tragic, untimely and accidental passing of our dearly loved son, brother and doting father of Matilda, who was found in a peaceful sleep in his New York apartment by his housekeeper at 3.30pm (New York Time)," he said. "We would like to thank our friends and everyone around the world for their kind wishes at this time. Heath has touched so many people on so many different levels during his short life, but few had the pleasure to truly know him. He was a down-to-earth, generous, kind-hearted, life-loving and unselfish individual who was an extreme inspiration to many. Please now respect our family's need to grieve and come to terms with our loss privately."[1]
WTF? It is now 11:53 PM January 22nd. 74.173.84.148 ( talk) 04:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Australian Eastern Standard Time I'm guessing. Even though I'm from Adelaide, I'm pretty sure all the major news stations are that are reporting are in Sydney, Melbourne (all in eastern Australia). Raven. 05:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Hm, well that was easily explained. Sorry, I was robo-tripping when I noticed that. 74.173.84.148 ( talk) 06:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
CNN is reporting that the Olsen connection is false. It is probably worth noting this as a false rumor, since it was published (by CNN, among other outlets). 23skidoo ( talk) 05:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I was watching the BBC and they reported that after the housekeeper, was alerted by the massage therapist (who was let in by the housekeeper, despite not able to get him to answer the door, and set up the massage table (by prior appointment to relieve stress) but when she shook Ledger realized that something was wrong), panicked and used Ledger's mobile phone and call the last number on it which happen to be Mary-Kate Olsen's number. Mary-Kate told her that she would call an friend/bodyguard (sorry can't remember which) nearby the area who is also a paramedic to go and check up on him immediately. The housekeeper then calling back telling her that because he was very cold and that she dialed 911. There was a number of calls between them during this time and it was not sure why it was so. Topsaint ( talk) 13:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Ignore my insert above. It was obvious that it had been sorted out in the article to satisfactory level. My bad ;-) Topsaint ( talk) 14:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
New Article about Olsen phone calls and timeline for update Here is a new article about the timeline (updated!), maybe it is interesting http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/297307 Luzymae talk 14:42, 25 January 2008 (CET)
Although it was just recently added, I'm actually inclined to remove the bit about the Westboro Baptist Church announcing plans to picket the funeral. Regardless of whether it's true or not... I suppose I'll go for a "one of these doesn't belong" comparison: in the event of a celebrity's death, who should be quoted regarding the incident? (a) The local law enforcement authorities, (b) the family, and/or (c) Fred Phelps? Surely a lot of people will say a lot of things; not everything Phelps says is automagically relevant in all situations. – Luna Santin ( talk) 05:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
[outdent] It is already included in Westboro Baptist Church and perhaps it could be expanded there - it is about them, not about Ledger, and I think does not belong in his bio. Tvoz | talk 08:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please fix this article, someones vandalized it and protected it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.180.9 ( talk) 09:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
His date of death should actually be 23rd Jan '08, although it was the 22nd of Jan in the US where he died, it was already the 23rd Jan in Australia where he was born so the correct date of death should be that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.174.107.25 ( talk) 10:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The guy speaking said that Heath was selfish, not unselfish. No doubt he meant to say selfless or unselfish, but the fact remains, he said selfish.
After checking the source, I've noticed that they do indeed say unselfish in the quote. I advise another source be found, as it's incorrect. Murrawhip ( talk) 12:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Can this section be looked at and improved as far as sources go? I removed a link that redirected to a blog. I will try to add cite tags rather than remove unsourced material. TIA -- Tom 14:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
MSNBC says the following: "Police on Wednesday said they found bottles of prescription sleeping pills and anti-anxiety medication in his bedroom and in the bathroom; there were still pills in the bottles." Does anyone have a reliable source that says that there were definitively sleeping pills at the bed and not just in the bathroom? Also, we could use a source regarding OTC vs. prescription. -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 17:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Sources cited have refuted those claims. The police commissioner's statement and subsequent news reports cited clarify. Citing speculations made from unnamed anonymous sources is irresponsible. -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The info about Ledger's music video "death scene," while an interesting coincidence, is not relevant, not encyclopedic, and IMO rather tasteless. Editing. 3Tigers ( talk) 18:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm concerned about whether this information belongs in an encyclopedia, and if so, to what degree. It seems like a cherry-picked list of Ledger's negative run-ins with the press. Most of his press relations were positive and therefore did not make the news; no reporter writes, "Ledger gave a calm and boring press conference" as a story. Focusing on the sensational makes it sound like the norm, which is untruthful. 3Tigers ( talk) 18:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The article says he was found dead, then in the same sentence says he was found unconscious. If he was alive but unconscious when the housekeeper got there, surely he would have been taken to hospital? Katharineamy ( talk) 19:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) For clarification, here's an article that gives a detailed account of what happened between the time his housekeeper arrived at his apartment and the masseuse discovered he was dead. Reelm ( talk) 02:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
We may never know the true cause of death, or all the details surrounding his death, especially if its accidental. It may depend on what his family wants to release to the public. Should this be mentioned in the main article? (did we ever find out how the INXS lead singer died?) 99.248.53.179 ( talk) 00:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I Wikified "911" to the correct 9-1-1. Certainly American readers are familiar with 911 and what it is, but many users visit this site from outside the US where it is likely less familiar to them. Michaelh2001 ( talk) 03:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
A lot of news reports have said he had, among some other prescription drugs, Ambien in his room when he was found dead. Why doesn't this article mention the Ambien? Even the Ambien article mentions Heath Ledger, so why doesn't this article? It's a pretty big detail that is pretty much been mentioned by the press all over the world. Or are we leaving this bit of information out because it may affect potential sales of Sanofi-Aventis? JayKeaton ( talk) 02:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
One report that I heard of the prescription drugs found in the apartment did not cite "Ambien" but "Lunesta" and other reports have not confirmed the "Ambien" claims. One needs to wait until actual reliable third-party published sources and the toxicology analysis published via such sources are available. Do not cite speculations from unreliable sources. -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
A few weeks before his passing, Heath complained that he had trouble sleeping. Can someone elaborate with a verifiable source whether he had trouble sleeping at night or trouble sleeping at all? - Mardus ( talk) 22:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- “Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,” he said. “I couldn’t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.” One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.
I beleive i just read news report which changes much information cited in this article. In this news article, it has been claimed that his body was warm at the time the medics arrived there. Which should be added immediatley. Please read this article, the address is pasted below.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23124067-661,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.126.95.14 ( talk) 21:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
If someone needs a photo of Ledger I found one here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/howie_berlin/102081411/ -- Heida Maria 18:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Meh, that's okay. See below. miranda 15:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't like the picture of him in the article. It gives the impression that he is drug-addicted. Can someone please find a more flattering picture? 99.248.53.179 ( talk) 04:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
As unflattering as it is, that's what he has looked like in the past couple of months, busted up, drugged and worn out. It's always better to get a recent picture of him, because a picture from his 10 Things I Hate About You days (where he was attractive) isn't going to useful as that was about 10 years ago. Raven. 05:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
wake up buddy, the guy looks doped up. its just a fact. but anyways, it is a bad pic. in a biography you might find a pic taken during a bad time in some ones life but usually it would be lower down in the article. Har 1/23/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.164.241.16 ( talk) 10:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
You can find really bad pics of most celebrities these days, doesn't mean they look "doped up". I've seen unflattering pics of people I know that have the same look, and they're completely drug free.
Anyway, I think everyone can agree that it's a terrible picture, and the article could use a better one. (Especially now that he's deceased)
Who would put a bad pic of Elvis Presley, Gene Kelly, or Clark Gable for example? Or even living stars who aren't known for their looks, like Gene Wilder or woody Allen? Best pic would be one with a look that the person is "known" for. I think if anyone has a better one, they should replace it.
Swapnil 404 (
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13:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Now that he is dead, it's acceptable to use a fair use image in the infobox, correct? If so, could someone who is informed about fair use policy find and upload one? Skomorokh confer 14:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The picture has to be removed as it does not fall under fair usage. All pictures of Ennis Del Mar are copyrighted, so Wikipedia can use a copyrighted picture for him. However, not all pictures of Heath Ledger are copyrighted, so a non-copyrighted one must be used. 172.142.118.103 ( talk) 18:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Fair use wouldn't apply to living actors so with the death of heath and no free images available, according to wiki policies, unless a free one is uploaded, a screen shot or a head shot would be justified under fair use. -- UKPhoenix79 ( talk) 07:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
If the copyright holder has objection for the image to be used (as seen above), the picture should be removed from the infobox and used solely to illustrate his character in Brokeback Mtn.. Seriously, there are free alts. out there. But, you have to ask the copyright holder for free use. Also, there are recently deceased persons without any images. miranda 10:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please not put his Brokeback Mountain picture in the infobox? That's a fair use image. miranda 06:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I have found and uploaded the following free image of Heath. I suggest it be swapped around ASAP to avoid the now invalid FU image. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
The original (darker version) is also available on Commons. miranda 21:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Do editors feel an image of Ledger's body being taken away by police would be an improvement to the article? Two such Creative Commons images are available [5] and [6]. Skomorokh confer 01:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
A body bag image would NOT enhance the article nor would it edify the reader. Please do not include. Thank-you! Sea Wolf ( talk) 01:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
See also the article for body bag. In the case of Ledger, might be useful for article on death of Heath Ledger. Chantessy 17:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
There are 2 non free images in the article, and I don't see any other purpose than illustration. Moreover, I think Image:Brokebackmountainheathledger.jpg's rationale is not good (it may be debatable when there was no free replacement, but the matter is moot now). I am removing both images, if there are no objection. -- lucasbfr talk 10:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Picture in infobox looks squat and deformed on my browser (Firefox 2.0 for Windows). Can that be fixed?
Mike R (
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Citations need to be fixed. I did some. But, whenever someone has time, use this to cite the links. miranda 04:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I recall an interview he gave either to a French or to a German journalist, I cannot remember which, in which he explained his parents went to great length when he was a kid to provide him with a very eclectic education, far beyond what is traditionally taught at school. I remember in particular how he said his father would teach him art and history while his mother taught him literature and languages. He mentioned he was comfortable in Spanish and fluent in French (his mum is a French teacher). I think this bit on his upbringing is worthy of appearing in his bio. Not every actor of this generation can claim to be so educated and well-rounded. Especially those born in a "Hollywood-wrecked family". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.93.5 ( talk) 11:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
An article in the January 23, 2008, issue of Variety noted that Ledger was "a highly rated chess player" [7] in a discussion about plans for him to direct an adaptation of Walter Tevis's novel The Queen’s Gambit. The article here at Wikipedia has no mention of Ledger's chess abilities. That certainly seems like it would be a worthy addition by someone knowledgeable about chess. 71.162.248.100 ( talk) 15:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
copied over from my talk page
Hi, I would appreciate it if you would restore the BLP tags to the article, rather than forcing a revert of your recent edit. The article contains much content about living persons even if the subject is dead and the BLP policies still very much apply to much of the content on the page. This is something that contributors to the article need to be made aware of. Thanks in advance. Nick ( talk) 11:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Although I like the explaination box (which I have actually adapted for a few articles where BLP still applies such as articles on bands and the like), I'm concerned about the precedent being set here and have in fact placed a question at the Biography Project. Has policy been changed, meaning that the BLP banner must now be kept on all articles on deceased individuals, particularly recently deceased ones, if any reference to people still alive is made? This is the first time I've seen this done but that's how precedent is made. I'm all for precedent, but it needs to be in line with policy. That also goes for making new templates. The current BLP template was created after consensus was reached, etc. We shouldn't be creating new templates addressing individual articles. 23skidoo ( talk) 18:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Why is this listed? Is it common practice for every biographical article to list everyone to whom a person was engaged and/or was living with? -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 17:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I think heathledger.net should be removed, because it is a fan site, and not a reliable source. miranda 22:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
CNN footage of Ledger's casket between the hearse and the Manhattan funeral home showed a Star of David on the casket which would appear to indicate that Ledger was Jewish. This was on the day the casket was transferred from the Medical Examiner's Office to the Manhattan funeral home.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.163.143.31 ( talk • contribs) Video footage at http://cbs2.com/video/?id=58160@kcbs.dayport.com The Star of David is on the top of the casket. This is the same video footage which I saw on TV where the Star of David was much more distinct (not as fussy) than in the internet video footage.
TV Guide reports on Ledger's cause of death as an accidental overdose. Reference here: Heath Ledge Cause of Death
Tubesurfer ( talk) 16:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Why are there quotes from friends, family and the Prime Minister about how tragic it is that he died? While it is tragic, these are not encyclopaedic and should be removed. Wikipedia is not a eulogy repository. Also, the fact that his friend boarded a plane to NYC is not notable in the least. When people die, many people will go to the person's funeral, and also say nice things about the person. This last section reads more like a People magazine article than an encyclopedia entry. Even though it is a current event, it can still read so that each event happened in the past, and can include information that will be of note years from now when it is no longer current. 162.136.192.1 ( talk) 16:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Have restored quotations, with the appropriate introductory sentences and colons. The quotations are highly pertinent and notable and should not be deleted, especially given the wild speculations currently cited throughout this article (via the entertainment news sources, which are not wholly reliable). -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm struggling to understand why this paragraph is 1) as extensive as it is and 2) in the 'Death' section. It's like reporting news that turns out to be no news. Can it be pared down and another home found for it? • Florrie• leave a note• 02:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The article states that Heath's death "will affect the marketing campaign" of the Dark Knight. Of course it is possible and will most likely, but no one can predict the future. Perhaps it should be revised. Mdriver1981 ( talk) 22:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Re: this matter: I added more recent sources and revised the presentation of statements in this article in a way that is not "original research" and that is not insensitive or speculative. Reliable third-party published, verifiable sources that do not depend on "unamed" or "anonymous" sources but that quote named authoritative sources need to be used in this article; see WP:V#Sources. (See earlier discussion posted above by other editors.) -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:15, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Why did you remove two sections with this edit? Pairadox ( talk) 03:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I did not [intend to] remove two sections. I [intended to make] the small changes that my editing summaries say. Someone else may have removed the sections; please examine the changes more carefully. -- NYScholar ( talk) 19:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC) [Added in brackets emphasis that that was not my intention. Don't know how it happened. If my small changes resulted in inadvertent deletion of the two sections, I apologize. Maybe there was some simultaneous editing going on, or maybe the way that I made the change by undoing an earlier change resulted in that happening. I can't figure that out now because I have to go offline. Again, sorry for anything inadvertent that may have occurred. -- NYScholar ( talk) 19:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The edits that I intended to make show up in red, as per the editing history summary that I composed to match them: diffs. Going offline after searching editing history. (I had no intention to remove sections.) -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
While I admire your dedication to accuracy, are you at all interested in consensus? • Florrie• leave a note• 07:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't know what you are talking about. Please make your comments about specific edits on the talk page by adding section to the most recent part of the article's talk page. Please see "N.B." [in my talk page above]. Thank you. -- NYScholar ( talk) 19:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I added a comment on the talk page of the article re: sources, and I have made a few typographical corrections in the article today. I have to go offline now. Please comment on the talk page of the article at Talk:Heath Ledger. Thanks. -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:17, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
As far as consensus goes, Wikipedia editing consensus operates over time. One person's decision to remove properly-documented (reliably-sourced) pertinent information does not amount to "consensus." The changes that I made involve restoring a deleted source which is more recent than the previously-cited sources, and it updates the earlier emphasis of the statement so that it is more accurate. I am moving this discussion to the talk page of the article, where it is appropriate to discuss specific changes to the article that attempt to improve it. Thanks. [moved to this talk page of article.] -- NYScholar ( talk) 20:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
It's nearly the same size as the portions about his career; why is this being turned into a memorial and repository of speculation, ie Plummer's comments on his health and tabloid reports about the video? As I've said before, TransWorldNews, Us Weekly and Celebtv.com are not reliable sources. Pairadox ( talk) 23:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Removed the Resolved tag from this section - the Death section is growing rapidly again with a bunch of questionably-notable material. I'd to avoid more edit battles, so would rather get other editors' opinions before I start going into bold mode. Townlake ( talk) 21:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
(outdent) In my view, this section is not currently "too large". -- NYScholar ( talk) 22:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
Tabloid speculations do not belong highlighted in the "Personal" section of this biography of what was until very recently a living person. By moving the tabloid speculations about the video, which was indeed pulled before full broadcast, into the "Personal" section, it was given emphasis that it does not deserve. The whole subsection on it could be moved to talk for further discussion.
Christopher Plummer's words are those of a co-star and serve as an eye-witness account; they are his own views based on his experience working with Ledger. They are sourced and quoted exactly as presented in the source. They are not on a par with "unnamed" and "anonymous" sources referenced by tabloid newspapers. I have no objection to the removal of the accounts by transworld, UsWeekly, or Celebtv.com; I simply re-formatted them more accurately; I did not add those sources to this article. The "Death" section is now in subsections for greater ease of reading. So far, it is Heath Ledger's death that has catapulted him into the news this past week; that may alter, but right now, the article's focus is appropriate. If and when the cause of his death is clear (perhaps tomorrow--Tuesday--which is also super-primary election day in the U.S. and will be a busy time for U.S. based editors), the emphases of this article may change. We are doing the best we can with what is currently available. Please review the template. A current event template may also be necessary and useful for this article. -- NYScholar ( talk) 23:35, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I do not agree: "may" is the editor's language (my language) based on the fact that this has been and still is current speculation about cause of death, which is not yet factually determined (and may never be: we'll see). Many news sources cite "pneumonia" with no evidence; Plummer's words are, according to the source cited, "confirmation" that he was ill during the shoot. Otherwise, readers of this article will wonder where the idea of "pneumonia" and "walking pneumonia" come from in other news reports not giving sources; apparently, Plummer is such a source. For who he is: see Christopher Plummer; he is a world-renown actor, far more celebrated actually than Ledger himself was prior to his death. -- NYScholar ( talk) 23:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Heath Ledger#Memorial tributes, related public statements has two quotes, both should be trimmed a bit to encompass the spirit of the quote but only stick to adding to the narrative. Benji boi 06:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
“ | Heath has touched so many people on so many different levels during his short life, but few had the pleasure to truly know him. He was a down-to-earth, generous, kind-hearted, life-loving and unselfish individual who was an extreme inspiration to many. | ” |
In case the previous writers have not actually read the sources cited throughout the rest of this article, the emphases on the need for "privacy" to "grieve" are directly related to the lack of privacy occurring in the tabloid reporting that has occurred on and since January 22, 2008. See the archived talk page and the problematic sources that have been deleted from the article as well as those still in the article. Anyone who has followed this subject closely and fully read this article will know what the statements are referring to and how pertinent the references in the public statements are. [They relate to controversies raised in the news coverage, already cited in the article.] -- NYScholar ( talk) 01:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC) [added bracketed clarification. -- NYScholar ( talk) 01:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Consensus is clear. I've cleaned up that section again, including removal of the block quotes. I also removed a sentence about the family posting multiple tributes; it would have needed more context to make sense about why it was notable, and if that context is available, let's discuss. Townlake ( talk) 02:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I would say, then, remove all quotations from and citations to unreliable tabloid newspapers linked to and made throughout this article. The article is heavily weighted toward gossip. That emphasis is hardly "encyclopedic"--given the objections made by these other editors above. -- NYScholar ( talk) 02:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I've not reverted the deletions, but I've added some better spacing so that the illustration posts in the proper section fully. -- NYScholar ( talk) 02:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
This talk page needs serious clean-up. Could editors familiar with the article please tag talk threads with {{ stale}} and {{ resolved}} as appropriate and archive any old or non-relative threads? This is helpful not only to editors trying to understand what issues are currently in play but also to keeping the talk page size down for users with less than ideal connections. Benji boi 06:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Done
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It says Maggie Landon. Who, Why, and Where did this come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.144.30.200 ( talk) 20:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Corrected. You guys are damn fast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.144.30.200 ( talk) 20:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC) [:Moved to end of page. The ID of vandal who added the "Maggie Landon" and deleted sec. is available in the editing history summary. Glad it was reverted. Perhaps should be reported. -- NYScholar ( talk) 21:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I was identified in a project page complaint as the only one opposing [the removal of] the block quotations. So I have added the "Resolved" template (as requested) to the sections relating to it; someone has been removing those templates, initially without comment. That is not useful. Some people seem to argue just for the sake of argument. Those deletions of the resolved templates are not improving this article or this talk page on it. If you want to start up the controversy again, please start another section. The discussion in the previous section is "Resolved." -- NYScholar ( talk) 04:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC) [corr. in brackets. -- NYScholar ( talk) 05:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
It appears to me that some other editors are attempting to "micromanage" even this talk page! That is not helping. -- NYScholar ( talk) 05:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
For the record and by the way: I see absolutely no value in removing the extremely short (already edited) quotation excerpted from the official government media release of the Prime Minister of Australia, posted on the government site. -- NYScholar ( talk) 06:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I've also reorganized the whole article, so that it is more concise and more coherently organized, parallel other articles on actors (whether alive or dead). -- NYScholar ( talk) 06:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
-- NYScholar ( talk) 06:27, 6 February 2008 (UTC) <<
According to police, as reported by Al Baker in The New York Times, when housekeeper Teresa Solomon, who had arrived at approximately 12:30 p.m. EST to do household chores, entered the bedroom "At about 1 p.m. ... to change a light bulb in an adjacent bathroom[,] she found him on the bed face down, with the sheet pulled up to his shoulders, and heard him snoring." [2] Masseuse Diana Wolozin arrived at approximately 2:45 p.m. to give Ledger a massage, and when he did not emerge from his bedroom by 3 p.m., called his cell phone and received no answer. Wolozin entered the bedroom, began to set up the massage table, and tried to wake the unresponsive Ledger. [2] Baker reports that then Wolozin "entered the bedroom and saw him lying in bed. She took a massage table out of the closet and began to set it up near his bed. She then went over to him and shook him, but got no response. Using his cell phone, she used a speed-dial button to call Ms. Olsen in California to seek her guidance, knowing Ms. Olsen to be a friend of Mr. Ledger’s." [2]
"According to the authorities," Baker continues, "Ms. Wolozin told Ms. Olsen that Mr. Ledger was unconscious. Ms. Olsen said she would call some private security people she knew in New York, and hung up. Ms. Wolozin again shook Mr. Ledger, called Ms. Olsen a second time, and said she believed the situation was grave and would call 911." [2] According to Baker, "Ms. Wolozin called 911 at 3:26 p.m. to say that Mr. Ledger was not breathing. The call occurred less than 15 minutes since she had first seen him in bed and only a few moments after the first call to Ms. Olsen. The 911 operator urged Ms. Wolozin to try to revive Mr. Ledger, but Ms. Wolozin’s efforts were not successful." [2]
Seven minutes later, Baker reports, " Emergency medical workers arrived at 3:33 p.m., at almost exactly the same moment as a private security guard summoned by Ms. Olsen. The medical workers moved his body to the floor and then used a defibrillator and CPR, to no avail. Mr. Ledger was pronounced dead at 3:36 p.m. By that point, two other private security guards summoned by Ms. Olsen had arrived, as had police officers." [2]
Police said that they found prescription medication in the bathroom, that there were "no obvious signs" of suicide, and that they did not suspect foul play. [3]
The source cited still in this article in "Death" sec. already includes all this detailed information. People can just read it. (Too much q. from a single source.) -- NYScholar ( talk) 06:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The international dates have been changed to US date format (except for the infobox) but, according to WP:DATE - Strong national ties to a topic, the article may be styled on international format. If there are no serious objections, I shall re-format the article over the next day or two. • Florrie• leave a note• 09:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Heath Ledger/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
This needs many more references, especially for the quotes.-- Grahamec 10:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC) |
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