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Dear all, please refer to insominia article: There is no such thing as insomnia. Who came up with this word? If you do not know. then there is no such word. See.. people are being so complicated and starting to write nonsense to make people confused. In olden days, there is no such thing as insomnia and people are muc much more simplier. Don't think about anything and sleep la. There is simply no truth in this article because God gives HIs beloved sleep. And there is no such thing as disturbed sleep, just continue to sleep as it is when you wake up. So simple, isn't it? And also there is no such thing as stress, fear .. etc can caused people have symptoms of insomnia. People with high stress still can sleep like a pig and people who lost their loved ones also still can sleep well. We need to take care of our body first before we can moved on in life. And what fear can cause symptoms of insomnia. God cast out fear and there is no more there. what a irrelevant article! Please remove.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.2.146 ( talk) 16:01, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
health is something you can stay fit and healthy and eat probyly[[]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.6.254 ( talk) 06:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
We should discuss the organziation of this page. I'm still new to Wikipedia's organization, so open to other views. In general, I'd recommend that the "Health" page has two purposes. The first is to describe the different definitions or concepts of health. The second is to provide context (mostly links) to other aspects of health such as: health care, prevention and promotion of health, health risks, determinants of health, etc.
An example of how organziation could be improved is the section on Public Health on this page. Much of this infomation is duplicated on a seperate Public Health page. And on that other Public Health page, there are definitions and discusions about health that are on this page. I suggest that the Public Health section be entirely removed from this page, except for a link, and the definition of health be removed from the other Public Health page.
In terms of definitions of health, this Health page should include different concepts of health like the four "D" death, disability, disease and demogrphaphics - with links to other pages for these sections. There are other concepts of domains of health that should be added as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgmanuel ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I just recently added an external link to a site that I maintain that advertises a health television program entitled Boost. It was removed and the suggestion was that I read the external links page guidelines. I added it knowing full well that the ad on my site is commercial, but it is also a positive program about health in general. I feel that it is in the best interest of anyone looking for alternative sources about health and not exclusively about website promotion. After all, any external link partially promotes whatever it links. Rather than add the link back, I took the advice of the gentleman who removed it and I am adding a comment here. If I hear no objections I would like to put it back. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbiejackson ( talk • contribs) 17:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
somatic re-diverts from this page to "body" without any explanation of what somatic means or how it relates to body. Am not up to defining somatic (I thought it had something to do with Soma in Brave new world). However if no one puts anything on somatic on the body page by next time I come through I'll take out the link :o) -- (talk to) BozMo 13:38, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
I've cut the following bits out of the article, because IMHO they digress and are only tangentially related to the issue at hand. The bit about wealth is IMO wrong. You can be perfectly well while living in a tiny apartment or God-forsaken cabin with no more to your name than a few changes of clothes, a few dishes and a table. -- Smack 23:51, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
That is, not only must everything be all right at the moment, but there should be subjective understanding that the "healthful" balance will continue. This understanding comes from somatic perception, including pain and discomfort, as well as cognitive perception. In order to feel health, people need to feel that they look well, are functioning as well as they always have, and that no external or internal risk imminently endangers their healthful state.
Wellness, in this sense, is subjective, the perception of being healthy, rather than any investigatable "reality" of being healthy. The behaviors in the pursuit of wellness sometimes include proven methodologies, but may also include practices with no scientifically proven capacity to increase health.
Wellness is thought by most to be closely related to wealth, either because one must control resources to avoid stress, or because wealth itself cannot be enjoyed unless one is well, and therefore one can be potentially both in command of resources and suffering a sort of sensual or stressful poverty at one and the same time. It is sometimes observed that even rich people who take on too many commitments often have just as little free time as the poor - and may very easily outrun their resources.
Wellness has developed into a buzzword used by the Network Marketing and Multi-Level Marketing "communities" to sell unproven health supplements and quack cures.
Wellness isn't just about health supplements and quack cures. Wellness is the overall state of being. In order to achieve absolute wellness a person must have complete health (emotional, social and physical). People in any financial situation (not just wealthy) can enjoy wellness if they wish (in other words they eat correctly, sleep correctly, exercise, enjoy their friends and only focus on the positive in their lives). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brewerdai ( talk • contribs) 01:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm unsure what the "wellness" content is doing here. Since we have Wellness (alternative medicine), and since we're not pushing any size limits, its eems like we should either move all the wellness to here or move it all to that article. The double listing seems silly and POV, particularly since health is a much more mainstreamed concept than wellness, and yet is not represented in the wellness article. Snowspinner 20:57, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
"wellness" is clearly within even conservative or historical definitions of health. Equally, it is clearly not solely within the domain of alternative medicine. I've added the 1986 WHO definition of health from the Ottawa Charter of Health Promotion and deleted the existing reference to "wellness" that now seems redundant. The 1986 definition is taught along side the 1948 definition in most entry-level health courses. Those same courses offer quite a few different perspectives and definitions of health, so I hope that these will be added in the not-too-distant future. There can't be many more important words or concepts than "health" in Wikipedia - let's all work together to make it reflect "health's" importance. Dgmanuel ( talk) 00:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
"Wellness" is sometimes used in mainstream contexts in New Zealand. I would be interested to know how its meaning differs from that of "health", and where the word came from. I've always thought it a damned silly coinage. It has a politically correct feel about it, with actually having any politically correct point. Koro Neil ( talk) 11:29, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
A deeper inquiry into the definition of "health" reveals that what makes a cell healthy is unique from what makes an organism healthy. Similarly, what makes an organism healthy is unique from what makes a population healthy. To illustrate this point, consider that Japan has the greatest life expectancy of any nation ( 2004 UN Human Development Report), despite having one of the highest smoking rates, especially among men ( 2004 UN Human Development Report).
I removed a link to the website http://www.thehealthnews.org/ because it appears to consist solely of copyvio material reproduced, sometimes without attribution, from other sources. -- Muchness 08:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Suggestion. Inappropriated Links:
I've removed the following: "However, with the lack of scientific proof through double blind testing, the placebo effect should be assumed to provide the health improvement in the case of successful alternative treatments until such testing can provide proof of any effects besides placebo. This is because as someone who feels well from their (possibly subconscious) belief in the therapies may lower their stress levels, resulting in beneficial effects on numerous factors, including blood pressure, gastrointestinal functioning, and immune response. The field of psychoneuroimmunology explores these links." It's POV to assert what should be assumed. - Medtopic 06:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Where in Wikipedia does information on the human tendency to pursue health go? Might it fit here, in a new section of this article? Or elsewhere?
In reading some Aristotle today, I found an interesting quotation in Politics Book 1, Part IX, to wit: " ... in the art of medicine, there is no limit to the pursuit of health ..."
This seems to me to be profoundly relevant to one common characteristic of the developed world in the early 21st century. N2e 21:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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I erased all the "external links" in the main body that had absolutely no business being there. They were all references to current books, with no indication as to why they were there. I admit that the meta-information that "health" is practically a copyrighted concept, only useable under a doctor's prescription, is slightly informative, but there was no labelling that such was the intended communication. Health is such a profound concept throughout our lives and history that if anyone wants to read about it, we could recommend either the millions of books available at the nearest medical college, or the pop-hits at any nearby place that sells books. That's it, I'm done, thank you :-) (Please have your insurance info ready when you finish reading this paragraph, thank you.) --— Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.198.21.118 ( talk • contribs) 30 April 2005
I think if WedMD is going to be allowed to stay as an external link, there should also be some more holistically focused websites. I typed in "wellness" into Google and Wellness.com came up first. Seems to be a valid resource for holistic health. I know there's another article for alternative medicine, but I think this site is relevant for the regular article on health too. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.153.248 ( talk • contribs) 26 February 2007
This section was added recently to the article but proper attribution of the material was not. The material appears to be sourced from here.
eHealth is an overarching term used today to describe the application of information and communications technologies in the health sector. It encompasses a whole range of purposes from purely administrative through to health care delivery. For example: within the hospital care setting, eHealth refers to electronic patient administration systems; laboratory and radiology information systems; electronic messaging systems; and, telemedicine -- teleconsults, telepathology, and teledermatology, to name a few within the home care setting, examples include teleconsults and remote vital signs monitoring systems used for diabetes medicine, asthma monitoring and home dialysis systems within the primary care setting, eHealth can refer to the use of computer systems by general practitioners and pharmacists for patient management, medical records and electronic prescribing. A fundamental building block of all these applications is the Electronic Health Record, which allows the sharing of necessary information between care providers across medical disciplines and institutions. Other important uses of eHealth are found in the areas of continuous medical education and public health awareness and education.
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This article was posted at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2008 February 28, a quick overview Canadian_copyright_law#Government_works and Copyright/Permission to Reproduce at source. Copy and paste from the source to Wikipedia would be a copyvio, thanks for removing it. Jeepday ( talk) 16:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
(By Alejandro Jadad, Toronto) On June 24, it will be 60 years since the ratification of the World Health Organization (WHO) and its groundbreaking definition of health. Contrary to what appeared on this article, according to WHO itself, such definition has NOT been modified [1]. It would be great if Wikipedia could become a catalyst for a collective effort to determine whether the original version should remain unchanged or if it should be modified. What better way to strive for this goal than through the power of social networks?
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The lede of this article is not about health. Its about health and politics. Come on, "public accountability?" talk about POV. How about keep the lede definition and then offer some consensus thoughts on what physical and mental health are? Instead the paragraph talks about legal consensus. I am inclined to edit the lede paragraph or ask the article be renamed "Health and Politics" 99.184.218.78 ( talk) 11:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Can this image
be used as the main image for this article and for the entire health category and related articles? (a template needs to be made for the latter)
81.241.110.18 ( talk) 10:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
verdure should not redirect here. pls correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.112.79 ( talk) 17:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Why is the top picture a Caduceus? It's not the symbol for medicine. Yel D'ohan ( talk) 16:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Saw a recent page move brought up at
wp:ani#Move of "Health" --> "Human Health". I disagree with that particular move for a number of reasons (and it seems to have been moved back), but not because it's necessarily a bad idea. I wonder if a search for
Health shouldn't be automatically directed to
Human health, and a note/link at the top of the page could direct interested parties to an article on
Health in a broad, philosophic sense. After all, a tree can be healthy, or a residential development or business can be "healthy." Anyway, I find this interesting, so here's the place to discuss it if anyone is interested. Quinn
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What is a whole section on "Public Health" doing in this article? Surely it should just be a link the the "See Also" section at the footer.
Here are some major elements of health that are missing:
Disease should also be included. MrNiceGuy1113 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC).
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110.54.202.101 ( talk) 10:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
For several years now, the research has shown a connection between health and spirituality.religion/faith.
I propose that the time is right to add this component to Health.
How might we go about doing that?
Thanks!
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To facilitate the editing process, I copied Paul notes below.
Is the summary of the article a complete, thorough, and concise introduction to the topic? How do you think the summary could be improved? Which meaningful data are missing? Is there something that you find too much detailed for a general overview of the topic?
Good.
Is the article properly presenting the topic for a general public? Does the article provide a complete and easy-to-navigate structure? Which paragraph would you add, unify or split into different parts? Please provide a list of suggestions. Is the article well written and understandable at a high school level?
I have some concerns about the structure. After a nice and informative introduction one of the subsequent heading is “Mental health”. Why is that part of health so exclusively discussed? Why not physical health?
Also, the content about “Maintaining health” seems a bit out of order. This is certainly an important element, but if this is discussed in such detail I would also expect discussions, apart from Determinants, about more general elements in relationship to health.
A heading such as “Potential issues” is too vague.
Is the article comprehensive of major facts related to the topic? Is the article adequately placing the subject in context? What does it miss? Please provide a list of topics you think should be included in the article (suggestions must be related to bibliography). Do you find that some arguments are not meaningful or representative of the topic for a general public. What should be deleted? Please explain why.
What I missed is a general concept or model about health that is discussed in the Introduction. For example, the health model of Wilson and Cleary (Wilson, I.B., Cleary, P.D., 1995. Linking clinical variables with health-related quality of life: a conceptual model of patient outcomes. JAMA; 273(1): 59-65) may be used as such a tool to direct the discussion.
You may also present some material about “the importance of health”. For example Maslow need hierarchy and other theorist and evidence from empirical studies.
I also missed a presentation about different health concepts and different health outcomes (physical functioning, health status, health-related quality of life, quality of life, capabilities, etc.).
Under determinants it is stated that “Gender” may influence whether people are healthy or unhealthy. I question whether this background characteristic is really in itself affecting health. Probably, ‘gender’ is observed in some studies as a factor, but probably this is not due to the gender itself, but due to cultural factors.
Is the article neutral (it presents general and acknowledged views fairly and without bias)? Is the article representative of the international dimension and consolidated research about the topic? If applicable, does the article feature examples from all over the world (no localisms)? Please draft a list of what is missing with related references.
No comments
Is the list of publications comprehensive and updated? Does it list the fundamental monographs and papers? Please provide primary/generic and secondary/original resources which need to be included and suggest the list of publications which should be removed.
Ref. 7 seems incorrect. It is “ … A new approach to health (not pain”.
Can someone please add an explanation of the use of the word "wellness", and why it is sometimes used in contexts where the well-established "health" would fit just as well? Koro Neil ( talk) 10:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to provide some explicit examples of the suitable physical exercises for the diet? I think each person's interpretation of physical fitness could be different. Thank you. Andrewkcli ( talk) 09:02, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
No religion in health? With homo sapiens highly intelligent brain what are they to do with their thoughts-feelings? List of Greek mythological figures , Ancient Greek religion, Religion in ancient Rome, and today's religion of chemicals.-- Mark v1.0 ( talk) 14:46, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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The statement, "For example, obesity is a very large problem in the United States that contributes to bad mental health and causes stress in a lot of people's lives." clearly came from a source. Therefore I added the citation and reference for DOI:10.1007/978-3-319-42070-7 and erased the "citation needed" link. Aleman1993 ( talk) 00:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
I have moved the following paragraph here for discussion:
An alternative approach focuses on avoiding definitions, which demand precise descriptions of the term. Instead, following a three-year global conversation, convened by Alex Jadad [1] [2], "health" has been conceptualized as the ability to adapt and self manage when individuals communities face physical, mental or social challenges [3].
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Hello, I think that the definition of health as energy efficiency is widely inaccurate. Contrast with the definitions listed at Well-being. -- 2800:A4:E38:A00:CD18:D8A1:B161:9023 ( talk) 13:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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Original: Health is the ability of a biological system to acquire, convert, allocate, distribute, and utilize energy sustainably.
Proposed change: Health is the ability of a biological system to acquire, convert, allocate, distribute, and utilize energy sustainably. citation needed Gpossel ( talk) 20:55, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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The article title is Exercise, not Physical exercise. 192.107.120.90 ( talk) 13:48, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
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<a href=" https://www.womenohub.com/">womenohub</a> Womenohub ( talk) 12:34, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
I have just updated the figure for people with mental illness. The source said around 19% and was presented as one fourth. I have changed this to one fifth. Egmason ( talk) 11:15, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
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Section: Mental Health , Paragraph : 4
Mental health can be treated and be attentive to teens' behavior.
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Mental health disorders are treatable and being attentive to teens' behavior can help solve the problem. Uralunlucayakli ( talk) 13:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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The first sentence is erroneous "Health is a state of physical, mental and social well-being in which disease and infirmity are absent.[1][2]" THe citations are from the WHO and even these citations, specifically the [2] citation clearly states "Health is a state of physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease and infirmity." This needs to be changed 71.85.112.15 ( talk) 19:40, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
I always sort of was under the impression that there were three pillars of health, those being physical mental and spiritual. I may be in the minority in believing this but I am pretty sure I learned this in middle school, and I didn't see a section mentioning anything about spiritual health. Is it possible to add it? Or what are everybody's thoughts on this matter? PrecociousPeach ( talk) 12:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Spiritual health it has to do with being healthy spiritually being having the biblical knowledge Ghiyani ( talk) 06:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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Change "Health is a state of physical, mental and social well-being in which disease and infirmity are absent."
To the actual definition provided in the WHO reference which is: "Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity." TasmanianTristan ( talk) 04:47, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
The key of the WHO-Definition is that health can not be defined by absence of sickness only, but is more than that. The crucial and important words are "not merely the absence". Citing WHO and paraphrasing it like this in my opinion does not do the original definition justice. -- Gektor ( talk) 22:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't Health just be combined with Mental health? If not, should health have 2 subsections for physical and mental health? Mr Robot 2020 ( talk) 02:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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Summarizing texts on applied ethics can be hard... but since the definition of health could be argued to have been a major tool in repressive regimes and it is discussed in a lot of academic literature I think it's worth getting right. This is the section I am trying to summarize: https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Public_Health_Ethics/wPNKMPPTN_UC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA103&printsec=frontcover
It basically talks about politicians and doctors making "health" mean whatever they want in order to get people to do it. Which is easy because health doesn't necessarily mean anything. If you define a "healthy diet" as being vegetarian, lo and behold, everyone should be vegetarian. There are texts that talk about this playing out in the 90s in the UK, and it definitely was a component of the Nazi definition of "good german". Talpedia ( talk) 19:59, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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Is a textbook entitled "Public Health Ethics", with the stated aim of justifying public health and with sections on consequentialism, non-consequentialism, liberal political philosophy, epidemiology, health promotion, harm reduction and immunization actually WP:SOAP or are we just assuming this because we don't like what the source says without actually looking at the source or considering its merits? Talpedia ( talk) 23:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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Under the potential issues, I feel like obesity is another issue that should or can be discussed. I had added information to this, but it had been removed by someone. However, it is another potential issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benisaibisevic ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Could you refer me to the specific issue with edit warring, if you can't I'll assume that I havce done nothing wrong. Each of the edits have addressed the issue quoted on the content and you have not until now replied to anything.
There is lots to be said about the various policies you have quoted, and your complete lack of attempt to make *any* suggestion, or edit, or query to improve anything. You may have to forgive me if I dismiss them for the moment, as likely to confuse the issue.
Let's focus on one WP:UNDUE.
Do you not think that it's noteworthy that basically all philosophers and ethicists who have considered the issue are concerned about "health" being interpreted very broadly and have issues with the WHO definition?
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Dear all, please refer to insominia article: There is no such thing as insomnia. Who came up with this word? If you do not know. then there is no such word. See.. people are being so complicated and starting to write nonsense to make people confused. In olden days, there is no such thing as insomnia and people are muc much more simplier. Don't think about anything and sleep la. There is simply no truth in this article because God gives HIs beloved sleep. And there is no such thing as disturbed sleep, just continue to sleep as it is when you wake up. So simple, isn't it? And also there is no such thing as stress, fear .. etc can caused people have symptoms of insomnia. People with high stress still can sleep like a pig and people who lost their loved ones also still can sleep well. We need to take care of our body first before we can moved on in life. And what fear can cause symptoms of insomnia. God cast out fear and there is no more there. what a irrelevant article! Please remove.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.2.146 ( talk) 16:01, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
health is something you can stay fit and healthy and eat probyly[[]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.6.254 ( talk) 06:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
We should discuss the organziation of this page. I'm still new to Wikipedia's organization, so open to other views. In general, I'd recommend that the "Health" page has two purposes. The first is to describe the different definitions or concepts of health. The second is to provide context (mostly links) to other aspects of health such as: health care, prevention and promotion of health, health risks, determinants of health, etc.
An example of how organziation could be improved is the section on Public Health on this page. Much of this infomation is duplicated on a seperate Public Health page. And on that other Public Health page, there are definitions and discusions about health that are on this page. I suggest that the Public Health section be entirely removed from this page, except for a link, and the definition of health be removed from the other Public Health page.
In terms of definitions of health, this Health page should include different concepts of health like the four "D" death, disability, disease and demogrphaphics - with links to other pages for these sections. There are other concepts of domains of health that should be added as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgmanuel ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I just recently added an external link to a site that I maintain that advertises a health television program entitled Boost. It was removed and the suggestion was that I read the external links page guidelines. I added it knowing full well that the ad on my site is commercial, but it is also a positive program about health in general. I feel that it is in the best interest of anyone looking for alternative sources about health and not exclusively about website promotion. After all, any external link partially promotes whatever it links. Rather than add the link back, I took the advice of the gentleman who removed it and I am adding a comment here. If I hear no objections I would like to put it back. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbiejackson ( talk • contribs) 17:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
somatic re-diverts from this page to "body" without any explanation of what somatic means or how it relates to body. Am not up to defining somatic (I thought it had something to do with Soma in Brave new world). However if no one puts anything on somatic on the body page by next time I come through I'll take out the link :o) -- (talk to) BozMo 13:38, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
I've cut the following bits out of the article, because IMHO they digress and are only tangentially related to the issue at hand. The bit about wealth is IMO wrong. You can be perfectly well while living in a tiny apartment or God-forsaken cabin with no more to your name than a few changes of clothes, a few dishes and a table. -- Smack 23:51, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
That is, not only must everything be all right at the moment, but there should be subjective understanding that the "healthful" balance will continue. This understanding comes from somatic perception, including pain and discomfort, as well as cognitive perception. In order to feel health, people need to feel that they look well, are functioning as well as they always have, and that no external or internal risk imminently endangers their healthful state.
Wellness, in this sense, is subjective, the perception of being healthy, rather than any investigatable "reality" of being healthy. The behaviors in the pursuit of wellness sometimes include proven methodologies, but may also include practices with no scientifically proven capacity to increase health.
Wellness is thought by most to be closely related to wealth, either because one must control resources to avoid stress, or because wealth itself cannot be enjoyed unless one is well, and therefore one can be potentially both in command of resources and suffering a sort of sensual or stressful poverty at one and the same time. It is sometimes observed that even rich people who take on too many commitments often have just as little free time as the poor - and may very easily outrun their resources.
Wellness has developed into a buzzword used by the Network Marketing and Multi-Level Marketing "communities" to sell unproven health supplements and quack cures.
Wellness isn't just about health supplements and quack cures. Wellness is the overall state of being. In order to achieve absolute wellness a person must have complete health (emotional, social and physical). People in any financial situation (not just wealthy) can enjoy wellness if they wish (in other words they eat correctly, sleep correctly, exercise, enjoy their friends and only focus on the positive in their lives). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brewerdai ( talk • contribs) 01:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm unsure what the "wellness" content is doing here. Since we have Wellness (alternative medicine), and since we're not pushing any size limits, its eems like we should either move all the wellness to here or move it all to that article. The double listing seems silly and POV, particularly since health is a much more mainstreamed concept than wellness, and yet is not represented in the wellness article. Snowspinner 20:57, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
"wellness" is clearly within even conservative or historical definitions of health. Equally, it is clearly not solely within the domain of alternative medicine. I've added the 1986 WHO definition of health from the Ottawa Charter of Health Promotion and deleted the existing reference to "wellness" that now seems redundant. The 1986 definition is taught along side the 1948 definition in most entry-level health courses. Those same courses offer quite a few different perspectives and definitions of health, so I hope that these will be added in the not-too-distant future. There can't be many more important words or concepts than "health" in Wikipedia - let's all work together to make it reflect "health's" importance. Dgmanuel ( talk) 00:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
"Wellness" is sometimes used in mainstream contexts in New Zealand. I would be interested to know how its meaning differs from that of "health", and where the word came from. I've always thought it a damned silly coinage. It has a politically correct feel about it, with actually having any politically correct point. Koro Neil ( talk) 11:29, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
A deeper inquiry into the definition of "health" reveals that what makes a cell healthy is unique from what makes an organism healthy. Similarly, what makes an organism healthy is unique from what makes a population healthy. To illustrate this point, consider that Japan has the greatest life expectancy of any nation ( 2004 UN Human Development Report), despite having one of the highest smoking rates, especially among men ( 2004 UN Human Development Report).
I removed a link to the website http://www.thehealthnews.org/ because it appears to consist solely of copyvio material reproduced, sometimes without attribution, from other sources. -- Muchness 08:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Suggestion. Inappropriated Links:
I've removed the following: "However, with the lack of scientific proof through double blind testing, the placebo effect should be assumed to provide the health improvement in the case of successful alternative treatments until such testing can provide proof of any effects besides placebo. This is because as someone who feels well from their (possibly subconscious) belief in the therapies may lower their stress levels, resulting in beneficial effects on numerous factors, including blood pressure, gastrointestinal functioning, and immune response. The field of psychoneuroimmunology explores these links." It's POV to assert what should be assumed. - Medtopic 06:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Where in Wikipedia does information on the human tendency to pursue health go? Might it fit here, in a new section of this article? Or elsewhere?
In reading some Aristotle today, I found an interesting quotation in Politics Book 1, Part IX, to wit: " ... in the art of medicine, there is no limit to the pursuit of health ..."
This seems to me to be profoundly relevant to one common characteristic of the developed world in the early 21st century. N2e 21:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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I erased all the "external links" in the main body that had absolutely no business being there. They were all references to current books, with no indication as to why they were there. I admit that the meta-information that "health" is practically a copyrighted concept, only useable under a doctor's prescription, is slightly informative, but there was no labelling that such was the intended communication. Health is such a profound concept throughout our lives and history that if anyone wants to read about it, we could recommend either the millions of books available at the nearest medical college, or the pop-hits at any nearby place that sells books. That's it, I'm done, thank you :-) (Please have your insurance info ready when you finish reading this paragraph, thank you.) --— Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.198.21.118 ( talk • contribs) 30 April 2005
I think if WedMD is going to be allowed to stay as an external link, there should also be some more holistically focused websites. I typed in "wellness" into Google and Wellness.com came up first. Seems to be a valid resource for holistic health. I know there's another article for alternative medicine, but I think this site is relevant for the regular article on health too. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.153.248 ( talk • contribs) 26 February 2007
This section was added recently to the article but proper attribution of the material was not. The material appears to be sourced from here.
eHealth is an overarching term used today to describe the application of information and communications technologies in the health sector. It encompasses a whole range of purposes from purely administrative through to health care delivery. For example: within the hospital care setting, eHealth refers to electronic patient administration systems; laboratory and radiology information systems; electronic messaging systems; and, telemedicine -- teleconsults, telepathology, and teledermatology, to name a few within the home care setting, examples include teleconsults and remote vital signs monitoring systems used for diabetes medicine, asthma monitoring and home dialysis systems within the primary care setting, eHealth can refer to the use of computer systems by general practitioners and pharmacists for patient management, medical records and electronic prescribing. A fundamental building block of all these applications is the Electronic Health Record, which allows the sharing of necessary information between care providers across medical disciplines and institutions. Other important uses of eHealth are found in the areas of continuous medical education and public health awareness and education.
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This article was posted at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2008 February 28, a quick overview Canadian_copyright_law#Government_works and Copyright/Permission to Reproduce at source. Copy and paste from the source to Wikipedia would be a copyvio, thanks for removing it. Jeepday ( talk) 16:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
(By Alejandro Jadad, Toronto) On June 24, it will be 60 years since the ratification of the World Health Organization (WHO) and its groundbreaking definition of health. Contrary to what appeared on this article, according to WHO itself, such definition has NOT been modified [1]. It would be great if Wikipedia could become a catalyst for a collective effort to determine whether the original version should remain unchanged or if it should be modified. What better way to strive for this goal than through the power of social networks?
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The lede of this article is not about health. Its about health and politics. Come on, "public accountability?" talk about POV. How about keep the lede definition and then offer some consensus thoughts on what physical and mental health are? Instead the paragraph talks about legal consensus. I am inclined to edit the lede paragraph or ask the article be renamed "Health and Politics" 99.184.218.78 ( talk) 11:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Can this image
be used as the main image for this article and for the entire health category and related articles? (a template needs to be made for the latter)
81.241.110.18 ( talk) 10:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
verdure should not redirect here. pls correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.112.79 ( talk) 17:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Why is the top picture a Caduceus? It's not the symbol for medicine. Yel D'ohan ( talk) 16:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Saw a recent page move brought up at
wp:ani#Move of "Health" --> "Human Health". I disagree with that particular move for a number of reasons (and it seems to have been moved back), but not because it's necessarily a bad idea. I wonder if a search for
Health shouldn't be automatically directed to
Human health, and a note/link at the top of the page could direct interested parties to an article on
Health in a broad, philosophic sense. After all, a tree can be healthy, or a residential development or business can be "healthy." Anyway, I find this interesting, so here's the place to discuss it if anyone is interested. Quinn
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What is a whole section on "Public Health" doing in this article? Surely it should just be a link the the "See Also" section at the footer.
Here are some major elements of health that are missing:
Disease should also be included. MrNiceGuy1113 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC).
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110.54.202.101 ( talk) 10:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
For several years now, the research has shown a connection between health and spirituality.religion/faith.
I propose that the time is right to add this component to Health.
How might we go about doing that?
Thanks!
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To facilitate the editing process, I copied Paul notes below.
Is the summary of the article a complete, thorough, and concise introduction to the topic? How do you think the summary could be improved? Which meaningful data are missing? Is there something that you find too much detailed for a general overview of the topic?
Good.
Is the article properly presenting the topic for a general public? Does the article provide a complete and easy-to-navigate structure? Which paragraph would you add, unify or split into different parts? Please provide a list of suggestions. Is the article well written and understandable at a high school level?
I have some concerns about the structure. After a nice and informative introduction one of the subsequent heading is “Mental health”. Why is that part of health so exclusively discussed? Why not physical health?
Also, the content about “Maintaining health” seems a bit out of order. This is certainly an important element, but if this is discussed in such detail I would also expect discussions, apart from Determinants, about more general elements in relationship to health.
A heading such as “Potential issues” is too vague.
Is the article comprehensive of major facts related to the topic? Is the article adequately placing the subject in context? What does it miss? Please provide a list of topics you think should be included in the article (suggestions must be related to bibliography). Do you find that some arguments are not meaningful or representative of the topic for a general public. What should be deleted? Please explain why.
What I missed is a general concept or model about health that is discussed in the Introduction. For example, the health model of Wilson and Cleary (Wilson, I.B., Cleary, P.D., 1995. Linking clinical variables with health-related quality of life: a conceptual model of patient outcomes. JAMA; 273(1): 59-65) may be used as such a tool to direct the discussion.
You may also present some material about “the importance of health”. For example Maslow need hierarchy and other theorist and evidence from empirical studies.
I also missed a presentation about different health concepts and different health outcomes (physical functioning, health status, health-related quality of life, quality of life, capabilities, etc.).
Under determinants it is stated that “Gender” may influence whether people are healthy or unhealthy. I question whether this background characteristic is really in itself affecting health. Probably, ‘gender’ is observed in some studies as a factor, but probably this is not due to the gender itself, but due to cultural factors.
Is the article neutral (it presents general and acknowledged views fairly and without bias)? Is the article representative of the international dimension and consolidated research about the topic? If applicable, does the article feature examples from all over the world (no localisms)? Please draft a list of what is missing with related references.
No comments
Is the list of publications comprehensive and updated? Does it list the fundamental monographs and papers? Please provide primary/generic and secondary/original resources which need to be included and suggest the list of publications which should be removed.
Ref. 7 seems incorrect. It is “ … A new approach to health (not pain”.
Can someone please add an explanation of the use of the word "wellness", and why it is sometimes used in contexts where the well-established "health" would fit just as well? Koro Neil ( talk) 10:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to provide some explicit examples of the suitable physical exercises for the diet? I think each person's interpretation of physical fitness could be different. Thank you. Andrewkcli ( talk) 09:02, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
No religion in health? With homo sapiens highly intelligent brain what are they to do with their thoughts-feelings? List of Greek mythological figures , Ancient Greek religion, Religion in ancient Rome, and today's religion of chemicals.-- Mark v1.0 ( talk) 14:46, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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The statement, "For example, obesity is a very large problem in the United States that contributes to bad mental health and causes stress in a lot of people's lives." clearly came from a source. Therefore I added the citation and reference for DOI:10.1007/978-3-319-42070-7 and erased the "citation needed" link. Aleman1993 ( talk) 00:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
I have moved the following paragraph here for discussion:
An alternative approach focuses on avoiding definitions, which demand precise descriptions of the term. Instead, following a three-year global conversation, convened by Alex Jadad [1] [2], "health" has been conceptualized as the ability to adapt and self manage when individuals communities face physical, mental or social challenges [3].
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The introductory section should summarize the content of the article. However, this paragraph from the intro appears to be independent of the main text. Also, it seems to give undue weight to one individual's actions, with all the references being non-independent of this individual. As a red link, is Alex Jadad notable enough to have his contributions highlighted in a top level article such as this? I note that a Wikipedia page for this person, located at Alejandro R. Jadad Bechara, has recently been speedy deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion", so this adds to my concern that perhaps there has been some inappropriate self-promotion going on here. Deli nk ( talk) 14:55, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I think that the definition of health as energy efficiency is widely inaccurate. Contrast with the definitions listed at Well-being. -- 2800:A4:E38:A00:CD18:D8A1:B161:9023 ( talk) 13:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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Original: Health is the ability of a biological system to acquire, convert, allocate, distribute, and utilize energy sustainably.
Proposed change: Health is the ability of a biological system to acquire, convert, allocate, distribute, and utilize energy sustainably. citation needed Gpossel ( talk) 20:55, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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The article title is Exercise, not Physical exercise. 192.107.120.90 ( talk) 13:48, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
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<a href=" https://www.womenohub.com/">womenohub</a> Womenohub ( talk) 12:34, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
I have just updated the figure for people with mental illness. The source said around 19% and was presented as one fourth. I have changed this to one fifth. Egmason ( talk) 11:15, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
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Section: Mental Health , Paragraph : 4
Mental health can be treated and be attentive to teens' behavior.
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Mental health disorders are treatable and being attentive to teens' behavior can help solve the problem. Uralunlucayakli ( talk) 13:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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The first sentence is erroneous "Health is a state of physical, mental and social well-being in which disease and infirmity are absent.[1][2]" THe citations are from the WHO and even these citations, specifically the [2] citation clearly states "Health is a state of physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease and infirmity." This needs to be changed 71.85.112.15 ( talk) 19:40, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
I always sort of was under the impression that there were three pillars of health, those being physical mental and spiritual. I may be in the minority in believing this but I am pretty sure I learned this in middle school, and I didn't see a section mentioning anything about spiritual health. Is it possible to add it? Or what are everybody's thoughts on this matter? PrecociousPeach ( talk) 12:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Spiritual health it has to do with being healthy spiritually being having the biblical knowledge Ghiyani ( talk) 06:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
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Change "Health is a state of physical, mental and social well-being in which disease and infirmity are absent."
To the actual definition provided in the WHO reference which is: "Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity." TasmanianTristan ( talk) 04:47, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
The key of the WHO-Definition is that health can not be defined by absence of sickness only, but is more than that. The crucial and important words are "not merely the absence". Citing WHO and paraphrasing it like this in my opinion does not do the original definition justice. -- Gektor ( talk) 22:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't Health just be combined with Mental health? If not, should health have 2 subsections for physical and mental health? Mr Robot 2020 ( talk) 02:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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Summarizing texts on applied ethics can be hard... but since the definition of health could be argued to have been a major tool in repressive regimes and it is discussed in a lot of academic literature I think it's worth getting right. This is the section I am trying to summarize: https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Public_Health_Ethics/wPNKMPPTN_UC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA103&printsec=frontcover
It basically talks about politicians and doctors making "health" mean whatever they want in order to get people to do it. Which is easy because health doesn't necessarily mean anything. If you define a "healthy diet" as being vegetarian, lo and behold, everyone should be vegetarian. There are texts that talk about this playing out in the 90s in the UK, and it definitely was a component of the Nazi definition of "good german". Talpedia ( talk) 19:59, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Zefr:
Is a textbook entitled "Public Health Ethics", with the stated aim of justifying public health and with sections on consequentialism, non-consequentialism, liberal political philosophy, epidemiology, health promotion, harm reduction and immunization actually WP:SOAP or are we just assuming this because we don't like what the source says without actually looking at the source or considering its merits? Talpedia ( talk) 23:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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Under the potential issues, I feel like obesity is another issue that should or can be discussed. I had added information to this, but it had been removed by someone. However, it is another potential issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benisaibisevic ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Could you refer me to the specific issue with edit warring, if you can't I'll assume that I havce done nothing wrong. Each of the edits have addressed the issue quoted on the content and you have not until now replied to anything.
There is lots to be said about the various policies you have quoted, and your complete lack of attempt to make *any* suggestion, or edit, or query to improve anything. You may have to forgive me if I dismiss them for the moment, as likely to confuse the issue.
Let's focus on one WP:UNDUE.
Do you not think that it's noteworthy that basically all philosophers and ethicists who have considered the issue are concerned about "health" being interpreted very broadly and have issues with the WHO definition?
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