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Evidence is accumulating that this women is simply a fraud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.240.206.199 ( talk) 13:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Dr Charles Vacanti, as a joint corresponding author in the same Nature paper reporting the creation of STAP cells, should also be given credit for this discovery, just like Dr. Obokata. See The Boston Globe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.246.56.171 ( talk) 13:51, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
The technique for producing STAP cells was discovered and developed by Haruko Obokata at the Brigham and Women's Hospital (BWH), while she was studying under Charles Vacanti".―― Phoenix7777 ( talk) 00:33, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Citing another Wikipedia page does not really contribute to this discussion. Since the Nature paper features both Dr Obokata and Dr Vacanti as corresponding authors, probably by agreement between the authors themselves, they should both be given credit for this initial discovery (the acid bath method). He provided the idea and rationale for the project, and Dr Obokata actually did the work and developped the technique that is reported in the paper. It is very likely that Dr. Obokata would not have made this discovery if she had not worked under the supervision of Dr. Vacanti, and Dr. Vacanti would not have been able to make this discovery if he had not had Dr Obokata to do the experiments with such care (again, see the article in The Boston Globe). This is what is reflected by both of them being corresponding authors. In relation to that, in the biography of Dr. Obokata, Dr. Vacanti should also be mentioned as instrumental in this discovery (also in the Japanese version...). If Dr Vacanti had also written his own biography on Wikipedia and not aknowledged the contribution of Dr Obokata, I would also have edited his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.54.130.243 ( talk) 00:58, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
In conculsion, I recommend the use of the sentence: "Dr. Obokata's group, together with Dr Vacanti established the method....".
In biological sciences who the corresponding author is often does not inform us of the discoverer by itself. Typically, the PI (professor Vacanti, in this case) is the default corresponding author and the Ph.D. student/post-doctoral fellow is the first author. Occasionally the idea can be created by the first author, and the first author is still not even granted corresponding author status. Sometimes the corresponding and first authors did not even come up with the idea or discovery, but are in these positions for other reasons. Being given corresponding author suggests greater than normal contribution. In practice this happens for a large variety of reasons. In the current case it appears quite different because Dr. Obokata designed and led the experiments at RIKEN. That satisfies the normal threshold for scientific credit as a discoverer. Unless more specific evidence clearly states this to be wrong I believe we should not assume a role for Vacanti out of his author position, and here would not be the appropriate place to discuss detailed contributions. --Joseph — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.210.134.217 ( talk) 04:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Meanwhile, wearing an apron instead of a lab coat and painting one’s lab pink and yellow and decorating it with cartoon characters qualifies in this article as “scientific style.” I’m sure all this is great for her reputation in the scientific community. Jim_Lockhart ( talk) 14:44, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Evidence is accumulating that this women is simply a fraud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.240.206.199 ( talk) 13:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Dr Charles Vacanti, as a joint corresponding author in the same Nature paper reporting the creation of STAP cells, should also be given credit for this discovery, just like Dr. Obokata. See The Boston Globe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.246.56.171 ( talk) 13:51, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
The technique for producing STAP cells was discovered and developed by Haruko Obokata at the Brigham and Women's Hospital (BWH), while she was studying under Charles Vacanti".―― Phoenix7777 ( talk) 00:33, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Citing another Wikipedia page does not really contribute to this discussion. Since the Nature paper features both Dr Obokata and Dr Vacanti as corresponding authors, probably by agreement between the authors themselves, they should both be given credit for this initial discovery (the acid bath method). He provided the idea and rationale for the project, and Dr Obokata actually did the work and developped the technique that is reported in the paper. It is very likely that Dr. Obokata would not have made this discovery if she had not worked under the supervision of Dr. Vacanti, and Dr. Vacanti would not have been able to make this discovery if he had not had Dr Obokata to do the experiments with such care (again, see the article in The Boston Globe). This is what is reflected by both of them being corresponding authors. In relation to that, in the biography of Dr. Obokata, Dr. Vacanti should also be mentioned as instrumental in this discovery (also in the Japanese version...). If Dr Vacanti had also written his own biography on Wikipedia and not aknowledged the contribution of Dr Obokata, I would also have edited his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.54.130.243 ( talk) 00:58, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
In conculsion, I recommend the use of the sentence: "Dr. Obokata's group, together with Dr Vacanti established the method....".
In biological sciences who the corresponding author is often does not inform us of the discoverer by itself. Typically, the PI (professor Vacanti, in this case) is the default corresponding author and the Ph.D. student/post-doctoral fellow is the first author. Occasionally the idea can be created by the first author, and the first author is still not even granted corresponding author status. Sometimes the corresponding and first authors did not even come up with the idea or discovery, but are in these positions for other reasons. Being given corresponding author suggests greater than normal contribution. In practice this happens for a large variety of reasons. In the current case it appears quite different because Dr. Obokata designed and led the experiments at RIKEN. That satisfies the normal threshold for scientific credit as a discoverer. Unless more specific evidence clearly states this to be wrong I believe we should not assume a role for Vacanti out of his author position, and here would not be the appropriate place to discuss detailed contributions. --Joseph — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.210.134.217 ( talk) 04:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Meanwhile, wearing an apron instead of a lab coat and painting one’s lab pink and yellow and decorating it with cartoon characters qualifies in this article as “scientific style.” I’m sure all this is great for her reputation in the scientific community. Jim_Lockhart ( talk) 14:44, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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