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when a card is drawn from the deck, it is placed on the table face up. If this is not done, how will the players know which card to match it with?
I play the Korean variant of the game with subtle difference in play and scoring, so perhaps in the Japanese variant, the card is placed face down. -- 68.206.99.145 05:33, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Saw a cleanup request for Hanafuda, and did a major rewrite on the history of Japanese card games, hopefully enough of one that pages for other, less popular card games can simply be linked to this one.
Thoughts? Dace K 20:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
I recently acquired a hanafuda deck, but the name on the box is Kwa-do. this site seems to refer to it as Hwa-t'u, Godori, GoStop, and Ha-to. Apparently, this game is known by many names. -- Jsnow 21:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
... Maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure the 'rules' section is entirely accurate. All the sites I've visited detailing koi-koi (including the linked Sloperama and Nintendo of Japan's site) play 8 cards per player, 8 on the field. The current rules listing (7 per player, 6 on the field) seems to be the dealing rules for hachi-hachi, with I'm not as familiar with. I guess I'll leave this for a few days so that maybe someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'll edit this article with (what I understand to be the correct) koi-koi rules before long if no one voices any objections. I'm thinking a seperate rules listing for each of koi-koi and hachi-hachi? -- 71.124.58.37 06:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
The picture in this article once had the caption, "Korean Hwatu cards," and it was changed to "Japanese Hanafuda cards," with the comment from the editor, "Korean cards look a little different." Now, these look identical to the Korean cards I've played with in real life and online. Also, when I search for pictures of Hanafuda cards, I get pictures that look a lot different from these while the pictures of Hwatu cards look exactly like this, or quite similar. If nobody tells me different, I'm going to change the caption back. Better still would be to find unprotected scans of verified Japanese Hanafuda cards, which I haven't got.-- Atkinson 02:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I am looking for interesting card designs and found this linked from the main "playing card" entry. You mention that the card designs are different, but you don't show any examples of these designs. I did find some examples through the links, but it would be nice if there were some examples of the cards displayed in the table in the Game Play - Cards section. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure about the ownership of the images (or which are which :) ).
-- Martin lester 09:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Please see WP:NOT for clarfication of why I added the tag to the rules section, especially WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information #4: Instruction Manuals. The Kinslayer 11:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Looking at that, and then looking at was in the article, it did seem to pretty much be 'how to play' section. Links to different versions of the rules would be fine I'm sure, but telling people step-by-step how to play anything (cards games, computer games, board games etc etc) is definitly covered by WP:NOT meaning it shouldn't be in the article (as far as I see it anyway!) The Kinslayer 12:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh and I think by saying that the rules aren't official could open a problem with WP:OR as well (just pointing it out, nothing more though!) The Kinslayer 12:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
They are slightly different... the number of them, how they are played and the jokers tend to amount to more than the Japanese version. I have a link for reference... -- 66.215.18.156 00:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not 100% sure about this but i believe that in Japan this game is called Hanafura and in Hawaii, Hanapua. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.244.34.93 ( talk) 08:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC).
-- I learned the game in Hawaii when I was working as an aviation electronic tech during night shifts with local hires (mostly Okinawan Japanese). During breaks in the lunch room I saw these guys animatedly playing a card game with stiff little brown rectangular cards. I got to asking them what kind of game they were playing and they told me it was "Hanafuta", and volunteered to teach me the game if I wanted to join them. I did, and they did. Afterwards I also played the game with my ranching relatives on the Big Island of Hawaii. They told me that they played it often with their friends; they were very familiar with how to play the game, and they too called it "Hanafuta". Now being curious about the subject of whether the game is called "Hanafuda", "Hanafuta", "Hanafura" or the Hawaiian "Hanapua", I used my old friend "Google Translate" [translate.google.com] to tell me which of those Japanese "Romaji" words it thought was the most correct English translation. After a number of iterations between Japanese, Korean, Hawaiian, and English the answers my translator tutor gave me were this: Japanese "Hanafuda" means "flower card", with a notation that it is a noun referring to "floral playing cards"; "Hanafuta" translates as "flower cover" with no additional notes. And the only difference between the two versions is that two Japanese Kanji characters (also shown by my friend Google) for "-da" and a single Chinese glyph for "-ta". My old friend had no definitions at all for either "Hanafura" or Hawaiian "Hanapua"; this is its usual way of telling me that it couldn't find those two words in any of its rather extensive Japanese, Korean, and Hawaiian dictionaries. K. Kellogg-Smith ( talk) 16:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
It seems that the rules to koi koi are off in a few places here. Although the rules do seem to vary from place to place, it seems that in the standard Japanese game of koi koi, calling koi-koi and getting another yaku does not double the score as stated. It only doubles if the opponent beats you to the punch. The only thing calling koi-koi does is allow you to score more points, not double your score. This seems to hold true in most video game console or computer versions of the game, along with being confirmed in other rule sites.
Also, another important rule that was left out is that the your score can be doubled if you get more than 7 points in a round. Obakedake 02:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Gosutop (Go-stop/[Gostope]) should be added to one of the lists of games played with hanafuda. It is the largest game played in Korea that uses the Hadafuda (or Hwatu) cards. Please consider adding it to this article. The Korean article for Gosutop is: ko:고스톱. Amphitere 16:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed the photo request because the current photo seems to fulfill the request. If I am wrong, please revert. -- Torsodog Talk 21:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
THIS ISN'T HUATU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.219.155 ( talk) 17:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
The rules section (hiki paragraph) mentions use of a "storm card" but this term is not explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.66.25 ( talk) 19:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the meanig of the confettis on some cards (for example on january ribbon) ? Nojhan ( talk) 16:43, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
I have swapped the entries for the cards for November and December around. Rainman/Willow is November; and Phoenix/Paulownia is December (also, credits on the final month).
This is verifiable from a scan of the rules (in Japanese) that you can see at http://www.heyrick.co.uk/blog/images/20110729koikoi_rules_two.jpeg
These rules are from an official Nintendo Hanafuda deck purchased in Japan in 2010.
HeyRick1973 ( talk) 21:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
There are 48 cards but only 46 pictures in the "card" part. It lacks 1 of January and 1 of March. The march one is a 20 point card. Why are they missing? I found the picture in the source code pack of PySolFC ( http://pysolfc.sourceforge.net). It's a GPL software. Is it OK to upload them? Inufuusen ( talk) 10:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
I was reading the article and it had a section on the game rules. I think it should be dropped as presumably the links to the games in the games section each contain the rules to those games. I will take it out in two weeks if no one objects to it.
Catzilla4 ( talk) 05:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)Catzilla4
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Tanjiro the main Character of Demon slayer wears ear rings that look like the playing cards they are made out of glass with what looks like an ocean or a hill with a sun set. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.37.196.26 ( talk) 23:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
A change was made by an IP user that altered all the card art on the page to be closer to Nintendo’s own color scheme on their hanafuda. As the person who made the art, I feel like I should give some information as to why I did it the way I did, and I think this change is worth discussing, especially when considering the various card image removal (as seen above on the Talk page). I think the best practice is to represent hanafuda as a whole, which is wide, varied, and can be so many different styles and colors. By changing their color scheme back toward the darker Nintendo color scheme, it ceases to be representative of other hanafuda, and starts to relate more to Nintendo than any other manufacturer, I also think there’s a smaller chance that anyone will take issue with them and want to remove them if they are more different. Lastly, as there are extra suits that were created with additional colors by other manufacturers, creating a color scheme that belongs to no manufacturer but instead is suited for the concept allows these to look good with the rest. Ultimately, I think it’s in the best interest of the page and educating others that the card art does not look too close to any particular manufacturer, just as the “standard 52 card deck” images on Wikipedia look nothing like any manufacturer’s actual cards. Louie Mantia ( talk) 15:09, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I am not talking about Nintendo's Hanafuda. The green color used for pine trees and other parts of the Hanafuda is unique to Matsui Tengu-do, and no other manufacturer uses it. I strongly feel that you should use images of typical Hanafuda, not the Hanafuda that Louie Mantia personally finds most attractive. sukejo ( talk) 05:20, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
An IP user removed some content about additional suited cards saying the information was poorly sourced and undue focus was placed on these cards for only appearing in a single deck. If there’s a problem with the citation, I think that’s a great question to ask and to discuss on the Talk page here or ask for additional citations. I don’t think their inclusion is a problem, nor do I think undue attention is being given to them, nor are they the only decks that featured additional suits or even these specific suits. I think this is an issue that should be discussed before removal.
I worry that Nintendo hanafuda are often thought to be the basis for what hanafuda is and isn’t, and I think viewing hanafuda that way excludes a lot of information about this type of playing cards. This page is not specifically about 48-card hanafuda decks, is it? It’s about hanafuda, which has many different versions, styles, and additional cards. Perhaps the page should have additional information about older hana awase decks that contained far more than 12 or 14 suits. It would help others to understand the origin of modern hanafuda, and might give context for “additional” suits that were added later. Louie Mantia ( talk) 10:56, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Are you the same person as Louie Mantia, who is producing your own 14-month "Hanafuda" deck commercially? kickstarter.com/projects/juniorcards/junior-hanafuda If so, you have a private
Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest with commercial nature, and if it is pointed out on the admin bulletin board, it can just be an indefinite ban on editing. I recommend that you act cautiously here. On top of that, I think there are two problems. 1) This image has been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons under a Creative Commons license, even though it is based on a copyrighted deck that is clearly not free. This is more of a Wikimedia Commons issue, but if a vote is taken at Wikimedia Commons, I think this image will be removed soon. 2) Where are the sources to show that these additional suits are really noteworthy? Nothing can be done with an expired Geocities link.
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I have made a request to remove a copyright violation. Here it is: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Copyrighted_Hanafuda_Trace However, even if these images are removed, I don't think anyone is discussing whether or not the very rare 13- and 14-month hanafuda statements should be included in the policy. Louie Mantia said, "If there’s a problem with the citation, I think that’s a great question to ask and to discuss on the Talk page here or ask for additional citations." But no one has been providing additional citations, right? At this point, all we have is one Geocities with broken links. Are you saying that you still follow WP:RS? Or is it that I'm a newer user than Flicky1984 and Louie Mantia, so I don't need to take what I say seriously? sukejo ( talk) 13:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I believe Wikipedia is edited by consensus, but right now, only 1 out of 3 people in this discussion believe this should be changed. That’s not consensus. You may continue to make arguments that these are “very rare” but make no argument against significance. I think you’re conflating the concept of rarity with insignificance. I don’t wish to argue further, because the cases against removal of this information have been clearly stated. You are making decisive actions despite not reaching consensus for your actions. Louie Mantia ( talk) 14:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
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when a card is drawn from the deck, it is placed on the table face up. If this is not done, how will the players know which card to match it with?
I play the Korean variant of the game with subtle difference in play and scoring, so perhaps in the Japanese variant, the card is placed face down. -- 68.206.99.145 05:33, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Saw a cleanup request for Hanafuda, and did a major rewrite on the history of Japanese card games, hopefully enough of one that pages for other, less popular card games can simply be linked to this one.
Thoughts? Dace K 20:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
I recently acquired a hanafuda deck, but the name on the box is Kwa-do. this site seems to refer to it as Hwa-t'u, Godori, GoStop, and Ha-to. Apparently, this game is known by many names. -- Jsnow 21:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
... Maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure the 'rules' section is entirely accurate. All the sites I've visited detailing koi-koi (including the linked Sloperama and Nintendo of Japan's site) play 8 cards per player, 8 on the field. The current rules listing (7 per player, 6 on the field) seems to be the dealing rules for hachi-hachi, with I'm not as familiar with. I guess I'll leave this for a few days so that maybe someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'll edit this article with (what I understand to be the correct) koi-koi rules before long if no one voices any objections. I'm thinking a seperate rules listing for each of koi-koi and hachi-hachi? -- 71.124.58.37 06:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
The picture in this article once had the caption, "Korean Hwatu cards," and it was changed to "Japanese Hanafuda cards," with the comment from the editor, "Korean cards look a little different." Now, these look identical to the Korean cards I've played with in real life and online. Also, when I search for pictures of Hanafuda cards, I get pictures that look a lot different from these while the pictures of Hwatu cards look exactly like this, or quite similar. If nobody tells me different, I'm going to change the caption back. Better still would be to find unprotected scans of verified Japanese Hanafuda cards, which I haven't got.-- Atkinson 02:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I am looking for interesting card designs and found this linked from the main "playing card" entry. You mention that the card designs are different, but you don't show any examples of these designs. I did find some examples through the links, but it would be nice if there were some examples of the cards displayed in the table in the Game Play - Cards section. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure about the ownership of the images (or which are which :) ).
-- Martin lester 09:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Please see WP:NOT for clarfication of why I added the tag to the rules section, especially WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information #4: Instruction Manuals. The Kinslayer 11:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Looking at that, and then looking at was in the article, it did seem to pretty much be 'how to play' section. Links to different versions of the rules would be fine I'm sure, but telling people step-by-step how to play anything (cards games, computer games, board games etc etc) is definitly covered by WP:NOT meaning it shouldn't be in the article (as far as I see it anyway!) The Kinslayer 12:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh and I think by saying that the rules aren't official could open a problem with WP:OR as well (just pointing it out, nothing more though!) The Kinslayer 12:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
They are slightly different... the number of them, how they are played and the jokers tend to amount to more than the Japanese version. I have a link for reference... -- 66.215.18.156 00:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not 100% sure about this but i believe that in Japan this game is called Hanafura and in Hawaii, Hanapua. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.244.34.93 ( talk) 08:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC).
-- I learned the game in Hawaii when I was working as an aviation electronic tech during night shifts with local hires (mostly Okinawan Japanese). During breaks in the lunch room I saw these guys animatedly playing a card game with stiff little brown rectangular cards. I got to asking them what kind of game they were playing and they told me it was "Hanafuta", and volunteered to teach me the game if I wanted to join them. I did, and they did. Afterwards I also played the game with my ranching relatives on the Big Island of Hawaii. They told me that they played it often with their friends; they were very familiar with how to play the game, and they too called it "Hanafuta". Now being curious about the subject of whether the game is called "Hanafuda", "Hanafuta", "Hanafura" or the Hawaiian "Hanapua", I used my old friend "Google Translate" [translate.google.com] to tell me which of those Japanese "Romaji" words it thought was the most correct English translation. After a number of iterations between Japanese, Korean, Hawaiian, and English the answers my translator tutor gave me were this: Japanese "Hanafuda" means "flower card", with a notation that it is a noun referring to "floral playing cards"; "Hanafuta" translates as "flower cover" with no additional notes. And the only difference between the two versions is that two Japanese Kanji characters (also shown by my friend Google) for "-da" and a single Chinese glyph for "-ta". My old friend had no definitions at all for either "Hanafura" or Hawaiian "Hanapua"; this is its usual way of telling me that it couldn't find those two words in any of its rather extensive Japanese, Korean, and Hawaiian dictionaries. K. Kellogg-Smith ( talk) 16:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
It seems that the rules to koi koi are off in a few places here. Although the rules do seem to vary from place to place, it seems that in the standard Japanese game of koi koi, calling koi-koi and getting another yaku does not double the score as stated. It only doubles if the opponent beats you to the punch. The only thing calling koi-koi does is allow you to score more points, not double your score. This seems to hold true in most video game console or computer versions of the game, along with being confirmed in other rule sites.
Also, another important rule that was left out is that the your score can be doubled if you get more than 7 points in a round. Obakedake 02:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Gosutop (Go-stop/[Gostope]) should be added to one of the lists of games played with hanafuda. It is the largest game played in Korea that uses the Hadafuda (or Hwatu) cards. Please consider adding it to this article. The Korean article for Gosutop is: ko:고스톱. Amphitere 16:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I removed the photo request because the current photo seems to fulfill the request. If I am wrong, please revert. -- Torsodog Talk 21:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
THIS ISN'T HUATU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.219.155 ( talk) 17:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
The rules section (hiki paragraph) mentions use of a "storm card" but this term is not explained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.66.25 ( talk) 19:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the meanig of the confettis on some cards (for example on january ribbon) ? Nojhan ( talk) 16:43, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
I have swapped the entries for the cards for November and December around. Rainman/Willow is November; and Phoenix/Paulownia is December (also, credits on the final month).
This is verifiable from a scan of the rules (in Japanese) that you can see at http://www.heyrick.co.uk/blog/images/20110729koikoi_rules_two.jpeg
These rules are from an official Nintendo Hanafuda deck purchased in Japan in 2010.
HeyRick1973 ( talk) 21:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
There are 48 cards but only 46 pictures in the "card" part. It lacks 1 of January and 1 of March. The march one is a 20 point card. Why are they missing? I found the picture in the source code pack of PySolFC ( http://pysolfc.sourceforge.net). It's a GPL software. Is it OK to upload them? Inufuusen ( talk) 10:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
I was reading the article and it had a section on the game rules. I think it should be dropped as presumably the links to the games in the games section each contain the rules to those games. I will take it out in two weeks if no one objects to it.
Catzilla4 ( talk) 05:43, 23 August 2015 (UTC)Catzilla4
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Tanjiro the main Character of Demon slayer wears ear rings that look like the playing cards they are made out of glass with what looks like an ocean or a hill with a sun set. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.37.196.26 ( talk) 23:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
A change was made by an IP user that altered all the card art on the page to be closer to Nintendo’s own color scheme on their hanafuda. As the person who made the art, I feel like I should give some information as to why I did it the way I did, and I think this change is worth discussing, especially when considering the various card image removal (as seen above on the Talk page). I think the best practice is to represent hanafuda as a whole, which is wide, varied, and can be so many different styles and colors. By changing their color scheme back toward the darker Nintendo color scheme, it ceases to be representative of other hanafuda, and starts to relate more to Nintendo than any other manufacturer, I also think there’s a smaller chance that anyone will take issue with them and want to remove them if they are more different. Lastly, as there are extra suits that were created with additional colors by other manufacturers, creating a color scheme that belongs to no manufacturer but instead is suited for the concept allows these to look good with the rest. Ultimately, I think it’s in the best interest of the page and educating others that the card art does not look too close to any particular manufacturer, just as the “standard 52 card deck” images on Wikipedia look nothing like any manufacturer’s actual cards. Louie Mantia ( talk) 15:09, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
I am not talking about Nintendo's Hanafuda. The green color used for pine trees and other parts of the Hanafuda is unique to Matsui Tengu-do, and no other manufacturer uses it. I strongly feel that you should use images of typical Hanafuda, not the Hanafuda that Louie Mantia personally finds most attractive. sukejo ( talk) 05:20, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
An IP user removed some content about additional suited cards saying the information was poorly sourced and undue focus was placed on these cards for only appearing in a single deck. If there’s a problem with the citation, I think that’s a great question to ask and to discuss on the Talk page here or ask for additional citations. I don’t think their inclusion is a problem, nor do I think undue attention is being given to them, nor are they the only decks that featured additional suits or even these specific suits. I think this is an issue that should be discussed before removal.
I worry that Nintendo hanafuda are often thought to be the basis for what hanafuda is and isn’t, and I think viewing hanafuda that way excludes a lot of information about this type of playing cards. This page is not specifically about 48-card hanafuda decks, is it? It’s about hanafuda, which has many different versions, styles, and additional cards. Perhaps the page should have additional information about older hana awase decks that contained far more than 12 or 14 suits. It would help others to understand the origin of modern hanafuda, and might give context for “additional” suits that were added later. Louie Mantia ( talk) 10:56, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Are you the same person as Louie Mantia, who is producing your own 14-month "Hanafuda" deck commercially? kickstarter.com/projects/juniorcards/junior-hanafuda If so, you have a private
Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest with commercial nature, and if it is pointed out on the admin bulletin board, it can just be an indefinite ban on editing. I recommend that you act cautiously here. On top of that, I think there are two problems. 1) This image has been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons under a Creative Commons license, even though it is based on a copyrighted deck that is clearly not free. This is more of a Wikimedia Commons issue, but if a vote is taken at Wikimedia Commons, I think this image will be removed soon. 2) Where are the sources to show that these additional suits are really noteworthy? Nothing can be done with an expired Geocities link.
sukejo (
talk) 05:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
I have made a request to remove a copyright violation. Here it is: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Copyrighted_Hanafuda_Trace However, even if these images are removed, I don't think anyone is discussing whether or not the very rare 13- and 14-month hanafuda statements should be included in the policy. Louie Mantia said, "If there’s a problem with the citation, I think that’s a great question to ask and to discuss on the Talk page here or ask for additional citations." But no one has been providing additional citations, right? At this point, all we have is one Geocities with broken links. Are you saying that you still follow WP:RS? Or is it that I'm a newer user than Flicky1984 and Louie Mantia, so I don't need to take what I say seriously? sukejo ( talk) 13:56, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I believe Wikipedia is edited by consensus, but right now, only 1 out of 3 people in this discussion believe this should be changed. That’s not consensus. You may continue to make arguments that these are “very rare” but make no argument against significance. I think you’re conflating the concept of rarity with insignificance. I don’t wish to argue further, because the cases against removal of this information have been clearly stated. You are making decisive actions despite not reaching consensus for your actions. Louie Mantia ( talk) 14:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)