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The founding year should be 1923, when Kewpee began. The years that Bill Thomas took over and the name was changed to Halo Burger are only minor details that does not change the fact that the founding year, which is also on its logo, is 1923. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 20:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Said source indicates: "Halo Burger evolved from Kewpee Hotel Hamburgers, which began in Flint around 1923, according to Flint Journal files." Thus supporting my version that Haloburger did not spring up only in 1923. The other Flint Journal article you cite in the article is indirectly quoting Mr. Thomas. No there was not a full continuation of the Blair business, as Blair still owned the Kewpee business. At this point, you will be edit warring if you reverse my edits. Spshu ( talk) 13:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Coming here after seeing a notice here. I don't see what the problem is with saying it was founded in 1923. While it is true there is an evolution of sorts involved, I don't think there is any question that the business traces its origin to 1923. In some ways, the business that is now called Kewpee has a weaker association to the founding date than Halo Burger. Ed Adams bought the trademark and some corporate functions while the Flint location had a more direct continuity of operations under Thomas. older ≠ wiser 14:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm having a hard time understanding Spshu's point. The company did not split in 1944. That appears to be the year that Thomas incorporated his company to formally continue doing what he had already been doing at the Flint location of the chain. The chain was not like today's franchises where every location is nearly identical. The chain up until the 1960s appears to have been a loose collection of distinct, more or less independent establishments sharing some common elements. I'm not sure it is necessary to stuff a lot of detail and references into the infobox that may be better explained in the text. For instance, this version actually seems incorrect in that it was originally established in 1923 as "Kewpee Hotel Hamburgs", not "Kewpee". And is there evidence for the name being "Thomas's Kewpee"? I did not see that in the references. Then in 1967 it became "Bill Thomas' Halo Burger" not simply "Halo Burger". But, that level of detail belongs in the text not in the infobox. older ≠ wiser 21:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
BKonrad gave the reply which Spshu was replying to, NOT me. Consensus is NOT going Spshu's way. The details belong in the text of the article. The infobox gives the founding year as 1923. Period. Any attempts to change the founding year will be immediately reverted. If Spshu attempts to change that, he risks being blocked from editing. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 15:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Bkonrad, One source does point blank states 1944: Manta's Haloburger business profile. Steelbeard1, it fails under "1.the material is not unduly self-serving;". It is self-serving as it tries to claim a greater length of existance for the company than may truly exists. Additional, other places in WP guidelines state: "Reliable sources generally include mainstream news media and major academic journals, and exclude self-published sources, particularly when self-published on the internet. The foundation of this theory is that such sources 'exercise some form of editorial control.'" Also note for those saying do to the Thomas's ownership of the original location that they have the greater claim on the 1923 year. The Kewpee business itself owned the original location for 35 (1923-1958) to 21 years for the Thomases (1958-1979). Or another way to look at it is Kewpee (1923-1944) owned & operated for 21 years, (1944-1958) Kewpee owned and Thomas operated for 14 years and Thomas owned and operated (1958-1979) for 21 years. Spshu ( talk) 15:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
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Okay, what DO people write since all I see are the five criteria listed above? Steelbeard1 ( talk) 13:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC) Please actually apply it. I pointed out the violation here and wrote. You fail to read what is writen, no further responses will ever be made to you as you continually waste people's time. Spshu ( talk) 18:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
For your informatin, Bkonrad, checking out the state corporate records for Halo Burger, Thomas' business pre-1967 was Thomas' Kewpee (incorporated in 1962). Also, Bill Thomas' Halo Burger, Inc. is still around control by the Thomases with Dortch Enterprises start up Dortch Halo Enterpises and Dortch Halo location LLCs. So it looks like Thomas just sold the assets of Halo Burger to Dortch Enterprises. Of course, I can use those sources as they are primary source and would be original research. Spshu ( talk) 17:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
It is right there in front of you. --- "How else would some one reference (name) a Kewpee restaurant operated by Thomas as opposed to Wilson, Adam, Blair, Weston, etc. with out knowing the official business name?" Spshu ( talk) 20:31, 20 April 2012 (UTC) --- Bkonrad, I guess I don't why it bother you even with out a reference. It is a standard pratice, it is the basic used of the Possessive case such that "Thomas' Kewpee" means the Kewpees owned by Thomas" not this is the official name of the compay owned by Thomas. It just seem like the shortest way to do so with out over expanding the infobox. I guess I want to know how to deal with it in the future when the true business name is not known. It is like the problem with this Black History Month article in a newspaper where a local franchisee was called the owner of McDonalds, that isn't accurate as we know it is a public company. I guess it shows in the weakness in WP dropping the business "form" suffixes (like Inc., L.P., LLC, Corporation) in most cases. Spshu ( talk) 13:43, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
What looks like a sloppy edit in the reference section requiring a citation for the official Halo Burger web site was reverted because the insertion is intentional. Does this look right? Steelbeard1 ( talk) 17:35, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove Chance Richie as CEO and replace with Daniel Stern. Chance Richie is no longer affiliated with Halo Burger. Thank you MorganHaloBurger ( talk) 03:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
A journalistic citation that is linkable should be included to back up the edit. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 03:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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The founding year should be 1923, when Kewpee began. The years that Bill Thomas took over and the name was changed to Halo Burger are only minor details that does not change the fact that the founding year, which is also on its logo, is 1923. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 20:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Said source indicates: "Halo Burger evolved from Kewpee Hotel Hamburgers, which began in Flint around 1923, according to Flint Journal files." Thus supporting my version that Haloburger did not spring up only in 1923. The other Flint Journal article you cite in the article is indirectly quoting Mr. Thomas. No there was not a full continuation of the Blair business, as Blair still owned the Kewpee business. At this point, you will be edit warring if you reverse my edits. Spshu ( talk) 13:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Coming here after seeing a notice here. I don't see what the problem is with saying it was founded in 1923. While it is true there is an evolution of sorts involved, I don't think there is any question that the business traces its origin to 1923. In some ways, the business that is now called Kewpee has a weaker association to the founding date than Halo Burger. Ed Adams bought the trademark and some corporate functions while the Flint location had a more direct continuity of operations under Thomas. older ≠ wiser 14:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm having a hard time understanding Spshu's point. The company did not split in 1944. That appears to be the year that Thomas incorporated his company to formally continue doing what he had already been doing at the Flint location of the chain. The chain was not like today's franchises where every location is nearly identical. The chain up until the 1960s appears to have been a loose collection of distinct, more or less independent establishments sharing some common elements. I'm not sure it is necessary to stuff a lot of detail and references into the infobox that may be better explained in the text. For instance, this version actually seems incorrect in that it was originally established in 1923 as "Kewpee Hotel Hamburgs", not "Kewpee". And is there evidence for the name being "Thomas's Kewpee"? I did not see that in the references. Then in 1967 it became "Bill Thomas' Halo Burger" not simply "Halo Burger". But, that level of detail belongs in the text not in the infobox. older ≠ wiser 21:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
BKonrad gave the reply which Spshu was replying to, NOT me. Consensus is NOT going Spshu's way. The details belong in the text of the article. The infobox gives the founding year as 1923. Period. Any attempts to change the founding year will be immediately reverted. If Spshu attempts to change that, he risks being blocked from editing. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 15:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Bkonrad, One source does point blank states 1944: Manta's Haloburger business profile. Steelbeard1, it fails under "1.the material is not unduly self-serving;". It is self-serving as it tries to claim a greater length of existance for the company than may truly exists. Additional, other places in WP guidelines state: "Reliable sources generally include mainstream news media and major academic journals, and exclude self-published sources, particularly when self-published on the internet. The foundation of this theory is that such sources 'exercise some form of editorial control.'" Also note for those saying do to the Thomas's ownership of the original location that they have the greater claim on the 1923 year. The Kewpee business itself owned the original location for 35 (1923-1958) to 21 years for the Thomases (1958-1979). Or another way to look at it is Kewpee (1923-1944) owned & operated for 21 years, (1944-1958) Kewpee owned and Thomas operated for 14 years and Thomas owned and operated (1958-1979) for 21 years. Spshu ( talk) 15:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
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Okay, what DO people write since all I see are the five criteria listed above? Steelbeard1 ( talk) 13:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC) Please actually apply it. I pointed out the violation here and wrote. You fail to read what is writen, no further responses will ever be made to you as you continually waste people's time. Spshu ( talk) 18:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
For your informatin, Bkonrad, checking out the state corporate records for Halo Burger, Thomas' business pre-1967 was Thomas' Kewpee (incorporated in 1962). Also, Bill Thomas' Halo Burger, Inc. is still around control by the Thomases with Dortch Enterprises start up Dortch Halo Enterpises and Dortch Halo location LLCs. So it looks like Thomas just sold the assets of Halo Burger to Dortch Enterprises. Of course, I can use those sources as they are primary source and would be original research. Spshu ( talk) 17:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
It is right there in front of you. --- "How else would some one reference (name) a Kewpee restaurant operated by Thomas as opposed to Wilson, Adam, Blair, Weston, etc. with out knowing the official business name?" Spshu ( talk) 20:31, 20 April 2012 (UTC) --- Bkonrad, I guess I don't why it bother you even with out a reference. It is a standard pratice, it is the basic used of the Possessive case such that "Thomas' Kewpee" means the Kewpees owned by Thomas" not this is the official name of the compay owned by Thomas. It just seem like the shortest way to do so with out over expanding the infobox. I guess I want to know how to deal with it in the future when the true business name is not known. It is like the problem with this Black History Month article in a newspaper where a local franchisee was called the owner of McDonalds, that isn't accurate as we know it is a public company. I guess it shows in the weakness in WP dropping the business "form" suffixes (like Inc., L.P., LLC, Corporation) in most cases. Spshu ( talk) 13:43, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
What looks like a sloppy edit in the reference section requiring a citation for the official Halo Burger web site was reverted because the insertion is intentional. Does this look right? Steelbeard1 ( talk) 17:35, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove Chance Richie as CEO and replace with Daniel Stern. Chance Richie is no longer affiliated with Halo Burger. Thank you MorganHaloBurger ( talk) 03:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
A journalistic citation that is linkable should be included to back up the edit. Steelbeard1 ( talk) 03:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)