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If Sylar can negate powers to an extant, as he seemed to in Fallout, the Haitian may have been nullifying those negation powers in Homecoming. This would mean that the Haitian's nullifying powers are stronger than Sylar's, and explain why Eden's powers worked on Sylar in Homecoming. Only problem is that I fear this is big speculation. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
So what happens if Peter meets the Haitian?-- Syd Henderson 05:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Can we come to a consensus on what to list under his "superpower" description on his template other than "telepathy"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
His ability to block/hinder the effects of other Heroes' power seems to be a form of Power negation. - Dr Haggis - Talk 00:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The Haitian has not exhibited the power of telepathy, which the Wikipedia article defines as "the communication of information from one mind to another by means other than the known perceptual senses". He can erase memories and can interfere with telepathy, but he has not demonstrated the ability to communicate with his mind. It is misleading to the reader to say that telepathy is his power. Primogen 21:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I replace "Telepathy" in the info box with "Memory removal" and "Telepathy interference", since these two descriptions better convey to the reader what powers the Haitian has actually demonstrated on the show. Primogen 21:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
"However oddly enough, when the Haitian, accompied by Mr. Bennet, attempt to capture Nathan Petrelli from a hotel, Petrelli is able to fly away, appearing to have his powers fully intact." - this appears twice in the article. Maybe he has to be close enough to the victim to nullify his/hers power. Maybe Petrelli surprised them and got out of range before The Haitian could do anything. There's no indication that Bennet knows everyone's speciffic abilities. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.106.116.66 ( talk) 00:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
Given that a subdural haemotoma is caused due to trauma on the brain, is it not more likely that it was caused by sylar throwing her against the wall - the doctor tells clair that it could have been caused by some kind of accident. 86.138.7.106 10:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Then again, Peter may have already absorbed the Haitian's power-negation abilities from the point the latter entered the vicinity on the night he and Bennet came to capture Peter and Claude; this means that Peter may have duplicated (albeit unconsciously) the Haitian's power in such a way that it rendered him immune to the Haitian's powers. This might just be the case since most superpowered individuals in the Heroes universe are typically immune to the affects of their own abilities. 125.60.247.98 01:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Should we mention that he pretended to be mute. When Eden was trying to get Mr.Bennet to kill Sylar she mentions that "he would tell you to if he could speak" while looking at the haitian, and then he speaks to Calra. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.157.5.206 ( talk) 18:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
We should add that the Haitian doesn't speak until near the end of "Fallout" and that Eden believes him to be mute. We don't know if he was intentionally deceiving anyone, though. Primogen 19:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
In the episode where Mr. Bennett finds out that the Haitian didn't memory wipe Claire, he asks the Haitian "who else knows that you can speak?" (or something to that effect). This seems to pretty clearly indicate that his mute-ness was purposeful. 128.239.152.92 19:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I've removed that as being original research. For the time being, all we know is that he can interfere with powers. However, we do not know if this is only mental based powers, or superpowers in general. Being specific like that and saying that he can block mental powers only is wrong because no one has said that yet. dposse 21:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I think that his ability to disrupt abilities and to erase memories is the same ability, I'm just struggling to find a good term to cover it. firstly, I don't think he does block abilities. So far the only things he's done is stop (partially) mind reading, and stop "persuasion", both abilities that effect more than one person. I think he can telepathically prevent someone from being affected by a power, like giving someone a mental shield. Thus why he couldn't stop Nathan (though it could be that he just wasn't expecting it to happen) or Sylar (If he could stop Sylar, why bother using Eden to catch him, HRG could have just gotten the haitian to stand near him and knock him out, or even before that, get the Haitian to bodyguard Claire. It's actually possible, that he can cloak parts of the mind, preventing susceptibility, and also erasing memories (by making a permanent cloak that the target couldn't sense), which would explain how he can do both. Though all of this is OR, any attempts to guess his powers is, so I thought I'd drop by another idea. Jacobshaven3 11:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if this is worth mentioning, but when Matt Parkman is being held by Bennett, the latter asks if the former is trying to read his thoughts, adding "not with my friend here", at which point the Haitian steps into the shot. I think this is the only clear statement that the Haitian can inhibit telepathy, and possibly worth noting in the article. With regards to whether or not he has two powers, the inhibition of telepathy (which is the only inhibition we can really be sure of) could be explained by him instantly erasing from Parkman's memories anything that he manages to glean from Bennett's or the Haitian's own mind. I don't think this is the case, I'm just demonstrating that it is possible to reconcile the two powers. Branfish 08:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I have two things to say. Since we don't know all of the Haitian's abilities yet, perhaps it would be better to list is powers as "Unknown Psychic Abilities, including memory removal and interference of telepathy and suggestion." The other thing I wanted to ask is, what other abilities does he have? Can he knock people out?It seems that even though Eden commanded Sylar to sleep in "Homecoming", he didn't fall until the Haitian grabbed him, suggesting that it was a combination of both his and Eden's powers to put him down. It's possible that he had a pad soaked with Chloroform or something in his hand when he knocked out Sylar. Still, if "Hiro's," Mr. Bennet told the Haitian to "put him down" when they tried to capture Nathan Petrelli. He also told the Haitian to "dig deep" when the captured Matt, suggesting that he is able to search his memories. Perhaps when he has physical contact with another person, he is able to mentally link with them and alter their minds in ways such as causing unconciousness and searching for and blocking off memories. I understand that this is speculation, but I feel it is at least worth considering and keeping in mind when viewing episodes, as it may help us understand his abilities. Briham 00:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it really speculation to say that his negating powers and memory powers are connected? Mr. Bennet stated that he only had one power, so they have to be connected... Ophois 21:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
his power to negate power and negate memory are probably the same but at different strentghs. he can negate powers from a distance by preventing the part of the brain that has the power. and he can negate the memory by negating the part of the brain where memory is stored. since the power is not stored it is part of the brain his power can not remove it, only hinder it. this is my speculation. and since this is my first edit. it might not follow the guidelines. if so feel free to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.90.230 ( talk) 01:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this has been pointed out or discussed. Is it definite that the mental powers belong to the Haitian? For all intensive purposes, both Bennett and the Haitian are around when this occurs, and the only time I remember seeing the Haitian alone is with Claire. I know Bennett says the Haitian is the one stopping Matt, but is there any instance where the Haitian stops this alone? Also, is it definite that Bennett is without powers? If I remember correctly, when he met with Sylar through the glass of the white room, he was alone and Sylar was unable to control him. If anyone can answer these, please do so as soon as possible, because it is bugging me. Ludichrisspeed 05:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
My interpretation was that he thinks that the powers ARE God and not simply "from" a God. Can someone update the article with the correct quotation and reference? Thanks. 71.225.125.176 14:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC) --Stexe
I removed the speculation from the powers and abilities. Personally, I don't think that his mere presence negates powers, telepathic or otherwise.
If indeed true, as Mr. Bennet said, that the characters can only have one power the answer is pretty obvious to me: telepathy. I guess you guys got into a whole argument with "unspecified power negation." That's just a by-product of his real power. Let's use Professor X for example:
"the communication of information from one mind to another by means other than the known perceptual senses" I think there's some sort of information exchange between minds because the Haitian can erase specific memories. -- EXV // + @ 09:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Slim... errrr ummmmm "Claude" did I hear that right? Did Mr. Bennit say "Claude this will have to wait" or something to that effect? -- Bushido Brown 03:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Bennet did say that. He was referring to someone else though. Claude is the Invisible Man. The Haitian remains unnamed. Valaqil 16:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
If I remember correctly after the phone call and after shooting Claude he said "Claude will have to wait" not "Claude this will have to wait" Toxic Ninja 21:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
What's the bets his name is Hadad? scott.lyon 21:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
emm, Im pretty sure they said it in one episode, Im too lazy to look for it,but they did Anow2 03:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Is it a plothole that people always seem to know he's Haitian, even when though there's no way for them to know that? I haven't scrutinized this or anything, but I feel like at least Parkman and Sprague have mentioned the Haitian without ever having heard him referred to as such? - VJ 00:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
They know him as the Haitian because hes black, simply put. Hell in company men in a flashback Thompson mentioned "We have a boy who can clear memories, we found him in Africa etc etc." Therefor hes African not Haitian. Show wise its probable they wanted to be politically correct to some degree and when Ted and Parkman were talking about seeing him Ted mentioned "he was... a Haitian" instead of saying "he was that big black dude" or "that nigger" or whatever else you want to say since even assuming a black guy is from Africa is racist now. 21:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect about the flashback--Thompson clearly says "There's a boy we discovered in Haiti..."
I could've SWORN he said they found him in africa. I can't even find the damn episode on youtube due to "copywrite" crap. Toxic Ninja 02:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the Haitian can cancel others powers out by using his memory wipe power, he can make a person to temporarly forget how to control there ability by being near them, but to make them forget perminitly he has touch them- RREDD13 19:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
On the commentary for Company Men available online the writer and director admitted to playing fast and loose with the Haitian's abilities. I think no one can answer exactly what the negation does because even the writers don't seem to understand it.
Has anyone else picked up on the play-on-words with this character? Initially he was mute, or known to be mute, and a Haitian. A Mute Haitian... which sounds a LOT like Mutation if you say it fast enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MarkyMarc413 ( talk • contribs) 04:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC).
All right, some people have been engaging in edit wars with me. Some summaries on NBC's website always capitalise "The" in his name, but some don't (like the recent one). So what is it? 24.83.211.180 01:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
In Five Years Gone, Hiro says the Haitian can disrupt their powers, thus he can block all powers? Sylar, in one episode (I can't remember which, the one with the phone conversation with Chandra Suresh) says something like "You were right, it's in the brain". If the Haitians power is mental manipulation, theoretically, he could "block" the bit with the powers? Meh, seemed logical. Blkmasta 17.11 GMT 02 May 2007
I'm changing the wording because I don't think others overcomming the Haitians negating powers are a measure of the power of the other hero, not a lack of ability on the part of the Haitian. That Matt overcame enough to get a single word from HRG even with the Haitian blocking him speaks to Matt's power, not the Haitian failing. Padillah 12:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I just took it to imply that life in that future sucks, and that the Haitian and Parkman are doing what they think they have to do to survive.
—wwoods 18:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I would think this would cement the idea that his loyalty to Angela Petrelli considering how her son, Nathan, is president. Well, at least the Haitian thought he was taking orders from Nathan. ( Slick023 16:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC))
The Haitian's abilities include the prevention of certain mental-based abilities (and quite possibly, physical abilities as well, though this will be examined below) and wiping memories from people (those seen in the series tend to lose recent memories primarily, though there may be instances of more specific memory removal). As of the latest comics, it is known that he could negate his father's abilities and turn an entire village into zombies when he lost control. As such, it appears that his power revolves around blocking the higher brain functions of others. Powers that don't need to be 'activated' (such as Claire's Spontaneous Regeneration) would be theoretically more difficult for him to prevent (though such a situation has never arised, so this cannot be verified). Of course, the element of surprise may explain why neither Nathan or Peter was prevented from flying.
In light of the ending to the graphic novel It Takes a Village, I think his power section needs to be rewritten. It seems that his power is that he can get into your mind where he can search your memories and read them. If he chooses, he can either show the memories to you or remove them from your head completely. How this relates to power negation does not seem clear at this time. ( Slick023 15:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC))
Memory removal should definately be changed to Memory manipulation in light of his actions in ITaV 4. Cherries Jubilee 06:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason the image of the Haitian holding Claire is in the article twice? -- iTocapa t 18:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Can we stop with the "secretly" working with Angela Petrelli? It has been revealed more than once that Mrs. Petrelli and has connections to Mr. Linderman who runs the company so there's no reason for Mrs. Petrelli to keep herself secret from the very people that have her allegiance.
For those of you that missed last season: Mrs. Petrelli knew and worked with Mr. Linderman who employed Thompson to guide Nathan through the "Exploding Man" scenario. Thompson worked for the company. Sure, Mr. Bennet may not have known about her but then it turns out there's much he didn't know. Not that it was kept secret, he simply wasn't important enough to know. Padillah 12:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
In "Crossroads" when Mohinder enters the Haitian's room, I thought I heard him say the name of the patient that he is about to treat before we find out it's the Haitian. I didn't hear it that well, because it was so quick, but it sounded like "Au Jean" or something like that. Could someone look into it? Lore aura 19:19, 3 October 2007
We're not that lucky. what he said was Ja'mapple Mohinder suresh.my name is mohinder suresh Je suis Médecin i am a doctor Spread The Word 17:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Can someone change the picture of The Haitian holding Claire for his Bio Pic. it makes him look pedofile almost —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homeman892003 ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
The reason I am reverting the assertions regarding the Haitian's power being physical is because it's speculation and not notable. How the power works does not change anything and it applies real-world limitations to decidedly non-real world phenomenon. To logically discuss the mechanics behind a fictional characters powers work is the pinnacle of silly. No one is discussing how Claire's powers work, or Nathan's... or, indeed anyone else's. If it were a plot point, that would be different but thus far it hasn't proved to be the case. Also, if we allow this line of reasoning then we open up lines like "psychopathy is a chemical imbalance in the brain and therefore Adam's blood can heal it." and that is a road paved with OR. It has already started with the speculation regarding an almost insignificant event now, Mrs. Bennet's hospital stay. Now we've got people saying it was the Haitian and completely dismissing that she was thrown across a house! That Peter could heal from the effects of it is close enough, the reader can figure out the rest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Padillah ( talk • contribs) 20:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't feel the Category of "Fictional Haitians" applies here. He's not fictional, he REALLY IS HAITIAN. Are we going to put a Category on Noah Bennet: Fictional White guys? There is nothing fictional about it Jimmy Jean-Louis IS Haitian. Padillah ( talk) 13:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
In other words, the CHARACTER is Haitian because Jimmy Jean-Louis is Haitian. It's not like Sacha Barron Cohen who plays Borat. That Borat is from Khazakstan is part of the character, it's central to the character. If ANYONE were to portray Borat they must portray him as Khazakstani. Jean-Louis is not portraying a Haitian, any more than Greg Grunberg is portraying a white guy. Padillah ( talk) 13:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
First and foremost, this should not involve, in any way, Jimmy-Jean Louis's ethnicity or nationality. This should be strictly focused on the character of the Haitian, which besides physical characteristics, Louis has nothing to do with. Noting that, the character of the Haitian is, in fact, both fictional, in that he doesn't exist in real life, only in fiction; and is Haitian, which should be obvious being he is referenced as such by every character in the series. For those reasons, I think it is acceptable to categorize the Haitian under Category:Fictional Haitians. As for your point of notability, I think before we discuss it in reference to categorization, we should discuss how much, if any, information in these and all Heroes articles is notable. Categorization is not about simply what is notable about a person. For example, George W. Bush is categorized under 25 not self-referential categories, including, among others, Category:Living people and Category:American cheerleaders. Are either of these particularly notable in regards to the boy? Not really. Until we come to a consensus, I won't restore the category, but I think we need to take these points into consideration. -- iTocapa t 00:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Padillah ( talk) 20:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)In other words, the CHARACTER is Indian because Sendhil Ramamurthy is Indian. It's not like Sacha Barron Cohen who plays Borat. That Borat is from Khazakstan is part of the character, it's central to the character. If ANYONE were to portray Borat they must portray him as Khazakstani. Ramamurthy is not portraying an Indian, any more than Greg Grunberg is portraying a white guy.
But he is portraying an Indian, as the character Suresh is Indian. To correlate with the Borat example, if for whatever reason Louis could not play the part of the Haitian, someone else would have to step in. If that person isn't Haitian, does the character suddenly become not Haitian because the actor isn't? Yes, I agree that the character's ethnicity is probably based on Louis's own, but as soon as the character is established as Haitian, there's nothing that can be done to change that. There seems to be an idea that the character's ethnicity in these cases is completely dependent on the actor's, and while, as we've said before, the character is probably Haitian because Louis is, that doesn't change the fact that the character, separate from the actor now, is Haitian. -- iTocapa t 20:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
It's not about what the character is, it's about how the character is portrayed. In other words is the actor pretending to be Haitian in order to correctly portray the character. Just slapping labels on people because of their race is simply a muted form of racism. Borat is a Fictional Kazakhstani because the actor needs to pretend to be Kazakhstani. Even if the actor was Kazakhstani, Borat would still qualify in my mind as Fictional Kazakhstani, because the character is dependent on being Kazakhstani, regardless of the actor involved. You know what? Forget it. What you are saying is not correlating to what I am saying and there are only so many ways I can rephrase the argument. Pieces of the argument are being ignored in deference to ones that can be addressed (or obfuscated) and I'm getting frustrated at the lack of input from others (especially User:Ckatz who started the other side of this). I leave it at this, answer one simple question to yourself: Do we categorize Matt Parkman as a Fictional Caucasian? If the answer is "Yes", then let's do it and race is a perfectly legitimate tool for segregation. If the answer is no then let's get rid of all the other racial categories unless they actually apply (as the Borat situation above) Padillah ( talk) 21:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Not to reopen the debate, but I like the new "Fictional Characters from Haiti" much better than the other categories. 100% support. Padillah ( talk) 06:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The Haitian has the power to remove memories. Fair enough. But he can also interfere with telepathy and stop a hero's powers, or at least mental ones. This seemed completely random to me at first, which didn't seem right. But then I realized that he has one "overall" power, the ability to affect minds. He can removes memories from the mind, and he can stop communication between minds.
There are like 400 statements about this. All the abililties are mind based, as Sylar is able to steal people's powers based off their brains. In the interview it was stated that "There is a connection between their powers and their brains, and Sylar has found it" meaning that all these abilities are mentally based. Adroa ( talk) 22:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
The description of his powers state that tose with cellular regenration can reverse the memory loss, but how do we know this? We only know that Adam's abilities can reverse these effects, as Adam is shown as knowing how to do this, and if Claire happens to lack this ability Peter gained it when he met Adam. For all we know Adam's power is unique in this aspect therefore, I'm removing this statement. We should not assume powers are identicle because thye appear the same in some aspects. Adroa ( talk) 22:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hiro used his mother's ability to heal to restore Hiro's erased memories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.90.25 ( talk) 17:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
So since his name's been revealed (Rene), should this page be moved to Rene (Heroes) instead of Haitian (Heroes)? Of course, the redirect would still exist but now that his name's been revealed, people are calling him Rene and it's not THAT much of a spoiler (if that matters) because we still only have a first name -- 75.104.162.185 ( talk) 03:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Why was this page moved from The Haitian to Haitian (Heroes)? If anything it should be The Haitian (Heroes). The the was a part of his name referred up until they found out his name was Rene. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 05:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
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If Sylar can negate powers to an extant, as he seemed to in Fallout, the Haitian may have been nullifying those negation powers in Homecoming. This would mean that the Haitian's nullifying powers are stronger than Sylar's, and explain why Eden's powers worked on Sylar in Homecoming. Only problem is that I fear this is big speculation. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 07:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
So what happens if Peter meets the Haitian?-- Syd Henderson 05:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Can we come to a consensus on what to list under his "superpower" description on his template other than "telepathy"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hypergeometric2F1(a,b,c,x) ( talk • contribs) 08:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
His ability to block/hinder the effects of other Heroes' power seems to be a form of Power negation. - Dr Haggis - Talk 00:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The Haitian has not exhibited the power of telepathy, which the Wikipedia article defines as "the communication of information from one mind to another by means other than the known perceptual senses". He can erase memories and can interfere with telepathy, but he has not demonstrated the ability to communicate with his mind. It is misleading to the reader to say that telepathy is his power. Primogen 21:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I replace "Telepathy" in the info box with "Memory removal" and "Telepathy interference", since these two descriptions better convey to the reader what powers the Haitian has actually demonstrated on the show. Primogen 21:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
"However oddly enough, when the Haitian, accompied by Mr. Bennet, attempt to capture Nathan Petrelli from a hotel, Petrelli is able to fly away, appearing to have his powers fully intact." - this appears twice in the article. Maybe he has to be close enough to the victim to nullify his/hers power. Maybe Petrelli surprised them and got out of range before The Haitian could do anything. There's no indication that Bennet knows everyone's speciffic abilities. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.106.116.66 ( talk) 00:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
Given that a subdural haemotoma is caused due to trauma on the brain, is it not more likely that it was caused by sylar throwing her against the wall - the doctor tells clair that it could have been caused by some kind of accident. 86.138.7.106 10:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Then again, Peter may have already absorbed the Haitian's power-negation abilities from the point the latter entered the vicinity on the night he and Bennet came to capture Peter and Claude; this means that Peter may have duplicated (albeit unconsciously) the Haitian's power in such a way that it rendered him immune to the Haitian's powers. This might just be the case since most superpowered individuals in the Heroes universe are typically immune to the affects of their own abilities. 125.60.247.98 01:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Should we mention that he pretended to be mute. When Eden was trying to get Mr.Bennet to kill Sylar she mentions that "he would tell you to if he could speak" while looking at the haitian, and then he speaks to Calra. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.157.5.206 ( talk) 18:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
We should add that the Haitian doesn't speak until near the end of "Fallout" and that Eden believes him to be mute. We don't know if he was intentionally deceiving anyone, though. Primogen 19:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
In the episode where Mr. Bennett finds out that the Haitian didn't memory wipe Claire, he asks the Haitian "who else knows that you can speak?" (or something to that effect). This seems to pretty clearly indicate that his mute-ness was purposeful. 128.239.152.92 19:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I've removed that as being original research. For the time being, all we know is that he can interfere with powers. However, we do not know if this is only mental based powers, or superpowers in general. Being specific like that and saying that he can block mental powers only is wrong because no one has said that yet. dposse 21:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I think that his ability to disrupt abilities and to erase memories is the same ability, I'm just struggling to find a good term to cover it. firstly, I don't think he does block abilities. So far the only things he's done is stop (partially) mind reading, and stop "persuasion", both abilities that effect more than one person. I think he can telepathically prevent someone from being affected by a power, like giving someone a mental shield. Thus why he couldn't stop Nathan (though it could be that he just wasn't expecting it to happen) or Sylar (If he could stop Sylar, why bother using Eden to catch him, HRG could have just gotten the haitian to stand near him and knock him out, or even before that, get the Haitian to bodyguard Claire. It's actually possible, that he can cloak parts of the mind, preventing susceptibility, and also erasing memories (by making a permanent cloak that the target couldn't sense), which would explain how he can do both. Though all of this is OR, any attempts to guess his powers is, so I thought I'd drop by another idea. Jacobshaven3 11:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if this is worth mentioning, but when Matt Parkman is being held by Bennett, the latter asks if the former is trying to read his thoughts, adding "not with my friend here", at which point the Haitian steps into the shot. I think this is the only clear statement that the Haitian can inhibit telepathy, and possibly worth noting in the article. With regards to whether or not he has two powers, the inhibition of telepathy (which is the only inhibition we can really be sure of) could be explained by him instantly erasing from Parkman's memories anything that he manages to glean from Bennett's or the Haitian's own mind. I don't think this is the case, I'm just demonstrating that it is possible to reconcile the two powers. Branfish 08:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I have two things to say. Since we don't know all of the Haitian's abilities yet, perhaps it would be better to list is powers as "Unknown Psychic Abilities, including memory removal and interference of telepathy and suggestion." The other thing I wanted to ask is, what other abilities does he have? Can he knock people out?It seems that even though Eden commanded Sylar to sleep in "Homecoming", he didn't fall until the Haitian grabbed him, suggesting that it was a combination of both his and Eden's powers to put him down. It's possible that he had a pad soaked with Chloroform or something in his hand when he knocked out Sylar. Still, if "Hiro's," Mr. Bennet told the Haitian to "put him down" when they tried to capture Nathan Petrelli. He also told the Haitian to "dig deep" when the captured Matt, suggesting that he is able to search his memories. Perhaps when he has physical contact with another person, he is able to mentally link with them and alter their minds in ways such as causing unconciousness and searching for and blocking off memories. I understand that this is speculation, but I feel it is at least worth considering and keeping in mind when viewing episodes, as it may help us understand his abilities. Briham 00:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it really speculation to say that his negating powers and memory powers are connected? Mr. Bennet stated that he only had one power, so they have to be connected... Ophois 21:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
his power to negate power and negate memory are probably the same but at different strentghs. he can negate powers from a distance by preventing the part of the brain that has the power. and he can negate the memory by negating the part of the brain where memory is stored. since the power is not stored it is part of the brain his power can not remove it, only hinder it. this is my speculation. and since this is my first edit. it might not follow the guidelines. if so feel free to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.90.230 ( talk) 01:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this has been pointed out or discussed. Is it definite that the mental powers belong to the Haitian? For all intensive purposes, both Bennett and the Haitian are around when this occurs, and the only time I remember seeing the Haitian alone is with Claire. I know Bennett says the Haitian is the one stopping Matt, but is there any instance where the Haitian stops this alone? Also, is it definite that Bennett is without powers? If I remember correctly, when he met with Sylar through the glass of the white room, he was alone and Sylar was unable to control him. If anyone can answer these, please do so as soon as possible, because it is bugging me. Ludichrisspeed 05:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
My interpretation was that he thinks that the powers ARE God and not simply "from" a God. Can someone update the article with the correct quotation and reference? Thanks. 71.225.125.176 14:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC) --Stexe
I removed the speculation from the powers and abilities. Personally, I don't think that his mere presence negates powers, telepathic or otherwise.
If indeed true, as Mr. Bennet said, that the characters can only have one power the answer is pretty obvious to me: telepathy. I guess you guys got into a whole argument with "unspecified power negation." That's just a by-product of his real power. Let's use Professor X for example:
"the communication of information from one mind to another by means other than the known perceptual senses" I think there's some sort of information exchange between minds because the Haitian can erase specific memories. -- EXV // + @ 09:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Slim... errrr ummmmm "Claude" did I hear that right? Did Mr. Bennit say "Claude this will have to wait" or something to that effect? -- Bushido Brown 03:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Bennet did say that. He was referring to someone else though. Claude is the Invisible Man. The Haitian remains unnamed. Valaqil 16:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
If I remember correctly after the phone call and after shooting Claude he said "Claude will have to wait" not "Claude this will have to wait" Toxic Ninja 21:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
What's the bets his name is Hadad? scott.lyon 21:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
emm, Im pretty sure they said it in one episode, Im too lazy to look for it,but they did Anow2 03:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Is it a plothole that people always seem to know he's Haitian, even when though there's no way for them to know that? I haven't scrutinized this or anything, but I feel like at least Parkman and Sprague have mentioned the Haitian without ever having heard him referred to as such? - VJ 00:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
They know him as the Haitian because hes black, simply put. Hell in company men in a flashback Thompson mentioned "We have a boy who can clear memories, we found him in Africa etc etc." Therefor hes African not Haitian. Show wise its probable they wanted to be politically correct to some degree and when Ted and Parkman were talking about seeing him Ted mentioned "he was... a Haitian" instead of saying "he was that big black dude" or "that nigger" or whatever else you want to say since even assuming a black guy is from Africa is racist now. 21:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Incorrect about the flashback--Thompson clearly says "There's a boy we discovered in Haiti..."
I could've SWORN he said they found him in africa. I can't even find the damn episode on youtube due to "copywrite" crap. Toxic Ninja 02:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the Haitian can cancel others powers out by using his memory wipe power, he can make a person to temporarly forget how to control there ability by being near them, but to make them forget perminitly he has touch them- RREDD13 19:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
On the commentary for Company Men available online the writer and director admitted to playing fast and loose with the Haitian's abilities. I think no one can answer exactly what the negation does because even the writers don't seem to understand it.
Has anyone else picked up on the play-on-words with this character? Initially he was mute, or known to be mute, and a Haitian. A Mute Haitian... which sounds a LOT like Mutation if you say it fast enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MarkyMarc413 ( talk • contribs) 04:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC).
All right, some people have been engaging in edit wars with me. Some summaries on NBC's website always capitalise "The" in his name, but some don't (like the recent one). So what is it? 24.83.211.180 01:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
In Five Years Gone, Hiro says the Haitian can disrupt their powers, thus he can block all powers? Sylar, in one episode (I can't remember which, the one with the phone conversation with Chandra Suresh) says something like "You were right, it's in the brain". If the Haitians power is mental manipulation, theoretically, he could "block" the bit with the powers? Meh, seemed logical. Blkmasta 17.11 GMT 02 May 2007
I'm changing the wording because I don't think others overcomming the Haitians negating powers are a measure of the power of the other hero, not a lack of ability on the part of the Haitian. That Matt overcame enough to get a single word from HRG even with the Haitian blocking him speaks to Matt's power, not the Haitian failing. Padillah 12:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I just took it to imply that life in that future sucks, and that the Haitian and Parkman are doing what they think they have to do to survive.
—wwoods 18:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I would think this would cement the idea that his loyalty to Angela Petrelli considering how her son, Nathan, is president. Well, at least the Haitian thought he was taking orders from Nathan. ( Slick023 16:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC))
The Haitian's abilities include the prevention of certain mental-based abilities (and quite possibly, physical abilities as well, though this will be examined below) and wiping memories from people (those seen in the series tend to lose recent memories primarily, though there may be instances of more specific memory removal). As of the latest comics, it is known that he could negate his father's abilities and turn an entire village into zombies when he lost control. As such, it appears that his power revolves around blocking the higher brain functions of others. Powers that don't need to be 'activated' (such as Claire's Spontaneous Regeneration) would be theoretically more difficult for him to prevent (though such a situation has never arised, so this cannot be verified). Of course, the element of surprise may explain why neither Nathan or Peter was prevented from flying.
In light of the ending to the graphic novel It Takes a Village, I think his power section needs to be rewritten. It seems that his power is that he can get into your mind where he can search your memories and read them. If he chooses, he can either show the memories to you or remove them from your head completely. How this relates to power negation does not seem clear at this time. ( Slick023 15:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC))
Memory removal should definately be changed to Memory manipulation in light of his actions in ITaV 4. Cherries Jubilee 06:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason the image of the Haitian holding Claire is in the article twice? -- iTocapa t 18:29, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Can we stop with the "secretly" working with Angela Petrelli? It has been revealed more than once that Mrs. Petrelli and has connections to Mr. Linderman who runs the company so there's no reason for Mrs. Petrelli to keep herself secret from the very people that have her allegiance.
For those of you that missed last season: Mrs. Petrelli knew and worked with Mr. Linderman who employed Thompson to guide Nathan through the "Exploding Man" scenario. Thompson worked for the company. Sure, Mr. Bennet may not have known about her but then it turns out there's much he didn't know. Not that it was kept secret, he simply wasn't important enough to know. Padillah 12:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
In "Crossroads" when Mohinder enters the Haitian's room, I thought I heard him say the name of the patient that he is about to treat before we find out it's the Haitian. I didn't hear it that well, because it was so quick, but it sounded like "Au Jean" or something like that. Could someone look into it? Lore aura 19:19, 3 October 2007
We're not that lucky. what he said was Ja'mapple Mohinder suresh.my name is mohinder suresh Je suis Médecin i am a doctor Spread The Word 17:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Can someone change the picture of The Haitian holding Claire for his Bio Pic. it makes him look pedofile almost —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homeman892003 ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
The reason I am reverting the assertions regarding the Haitian's power being physical is because it's speculation and not notable. How the power works does not change anything and it applies real-world limitations to decidedly non-real world phenomenon. To logically discuss the mechanics behind a fictional characters powers work is the pinnacle of silly. No one is discussing how Claire's powers work, or Nathan's... or, indeed anyone else's. If it were a plot point, that would be different but thus far it hasn't proved to be the case. Also, if we allow this line of reasoning then we open up lines like "psychopathy is a chemical imbalance in the brain and therefore Adam's blood can heal it." and that is a road paved with OR. It has already started with the speculation regarding an almost insignificant event now, Mrs. Bennet's hospital stay. Now we've got people saying it was the Haitian and completely dismissing that she was thrown across a house! That Peter could heal from the effects of it is close enough, the reader can figure out the rest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Padillah ( talk • contribs) 20:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't feel the Category of "Fictional Haitians" applies here. He's not fictional, he REALLY IS HAITIAN. Are we going to put a Category on Noah Bennet: Fictional White guys? There is nothing fictional about it Jimmy Jean-Louis IS Haitian. Padillah ( talk) 13:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
In other words, the CHARACTER is Haitian because Jimmy Jean-Louis is Haitian. It's not like Sacha Barron Cohen who plays Borat. That Borat is from Khazakstan is part of the character, it's central to the character. If ANYONE were to portray Borat they must portray him as Khazakstani. Jean-Louis is not portraying a Haitian, any more than Greg Grunberg is portraying a white guy. Padillah ( talk) 13:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
First and foremost, this should not involve, in any way, Jimmy-Jean Louis's ethnicity or nationality. This should be strictly focused on the character of the Haitian, which besides physical characteristics, Louis has nothing to do with. Noting that, the character of the Haitian is, in fact, both fictional, in that he doesn't exist in real life, only in fiction; and is Haitian, which should be obvious being he is referenced as such by every character in the series. For those reasons, I think it is acceptable to categorize the Haitian under Category:Fictional Haitians. As for your point of notability, I think before we discuss it in reference to categorization, we should discuss how much, if any, information in these and all Heroes articles is notable. Categorization is not about simply what is notable about a person. For example, George W. Bush is categorized under 25 not self-referential categories, including, among others, Category:Living people and Category:American cheerleaders. Are either of these particularly notable in regards to the boy? Not really. Until we come to a consensus, I won't restore the category, but I think we need to take these points into consideration. -- iTocapa t 00:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Padillah ( talk) 20:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)In other words, the CHARACTER is Indian because Sendhil Ramamurthy is Indian. It's not like Sacha Barron Cohen who plays Borat. That Borat is from Khazakstan is part of the character, it's central to the character. If ANYONE were to portray Borat they must portray him as Khazakstani. Ramamurthy is not portraying an Indian, any more than Greg Grunberg is portraying a white guy.
But he is portraying an Indian, as the character Suresh is Indian. To correlate with the Borat example, if for whatever reason Louis could not play the part of the Haitian, someone else would have to step in. If that person isn't Haitian, does the character suddenly become not Haitian because the actor isn't? Yes, I agree that the character's ethnicity is probably based on Louis's own, but as soon as the character is established as Haitian, there's nothing that can be done to change that. There seems to be an idea that the character's ethnicity in these cases is completely dependent on the actor's, and while, as we've said before, the character is probably Haitian because Louis is, that doesn't change the fact that the character, separate from the actor now, is Haitian. -- iTocapa t 20:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
It's not about what the character is, it's about how the character is portrayed. In other words is the actor pretending to be Haitian in order to correctly portray the character. Just slapping labels on people because of their race is simply a muted form of racism. Borat is a Fictional Kazakhstani because the actor needs to pretend to be Kazakhstani. Even if the actor was Kazakhstani, Borat would still qualify in my mind as Fictional Kazakhstani, because the character is dependent on being Kazakhstani, regardless of the actor involved. You know what? Forget it. What you are saying is not correlating to what I am saying and there are only so many ways I can rephrase the argument. Pieces of the argument are being ignored in deference to ones that can be addressed (or obfuscated) and I'm getting frustrated at the lack of input from others (especially User:Ckatz who started the other side of this). I leave it at this, answer one simple question to yourself: Do we categorize Matt Parkman as a Fictional Caucasian? If the answer is "Yes", then let's do it and race is a perfectly legitimate tool for segregation. If the answer is no then let's get rid of all the other racial categories unless they actually apply (as the Borat situation above) Padillah ( talk) 21:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Not to reopen the debate, but I like the new "Fictional Characters from Haiti" much better than the other categories. 100% support. Padillah ( talk) 06:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
The Haitian has the power to remove memories. Fair enough. But he can also interfere with telepathy and stop a hero's powers, or at least mental ones. This seemed completely random to me at first, which didn't seem right. But then I realized that he has one "overall" power, the ability to affect minds. He can removes memories from the mind, and he can stop communication between minds.
There are like 400 statements about this. All the abililties are mind based, as Sylar is able to steal people's powers based off their brains. In the interview it was stated that "There is a connection between their powers and their brains, and Sylar has found it" meaning that all these abilities are mentally based. Adroa ( talk) 22:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
The description of his powers state that tose with cellular regenration can reverse the memory loss, but how do we know this? We only know that Adam's abilities can reverse these effects, as Adam is shown as knowing how to do this, and if Claire happens to lack this ability Peter gained it when he met Adam. For all we know Adam's power is unique in this aspect therefore, I'm removing this statement. We should not assume powers are identicle because thye appear the same in some aspects. Adroa ( talk) 22:26, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hiro used his mother's ability to heal to restore Hiro's erased memories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.90.25 ( talk) 17:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
So since his name's been revealed (Rene), should this page be moved to Rene (Heroes) instead of Haitian (Heroes)? Of course, the redirect would still exist but now that his name's been revealed, people are calling him Rene and it's not THAT much of a spoiler (if that matters) because we still only have a first name -- 75.104.162.185 ( talk) 03:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Why was this page moved from The Haitian to Haitian (Heroes)? If anything it should be The Haitian (Heroes). The the was a part of his name referred up until they found out his name was Rene. Savvyjack23 ( talk) 05:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
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