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This article had been created by "copy&paste" not "move". Will some Sysops please join(concat) this Horyu-ji's history to another " Horyuji temple"'s? Wandering perfect fool 22:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I was surprised to find this article so short. With the right attention and effort, this could become a much longer article, with complex descriptions of the origins/history of the temple, the architecture of its buildings, and some examples (or links to articles on) of its art. I regret that I have not the time, sources, nor expertise to contribute much myself, but I just thought it might be pointed out. LordAmeth 03:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Please define what is Chinese architechture??. During that period of time did Chinese architecture exist?? Horyu-ji temple architecture is very Korean. Korean cultural essence does previal in Horyu-ji temple like it or not. During that period of time. Kudara ( Paekje Kingdom) had tremendous cultural impact on island of Japan. Lets accept the Historical truth and reality. Lets stop relating everything to Chinese culture. Chinese didn't invent or build the world. Korean Kingdoms also had civilization and culture just as much as Chinese can claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koreankudarakansai ( talk • contribs) 14:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Hasn't Paekche learned this sort of architechture from China? Hōryū-ji temple is an example of Buddhist temples common in east Asia in those days. It only sounds like boasting; the effort of the Japanese people must be respected. I believe "The Japanese have taught how to make cars or semiconductors." is inappropriate for a Korean economic article because of the same reason.
I can' t accept this because of its weak sources.
This sentence is not enough claim that Paekche architects have built Hōryū-ji. Besides, Paekche has falled (660) before Hōryū-ji was rebuilt in the end of the 7C to the beginning of the 8C. It is true that the first Buddhist temple Hōkō-ji(Asuka-dera, end of 6C to the beginning of the 7C) was built by Paekche's craftsmen (Nihonshoki, 588) Hōkō-ji, however Hōryū-ji is a 100 years later; it would be natural that the Japanese people have learned to built temples by themselves (consider the economic development and R&D of Japan in the recent 60 years), how is it proved the Japanese never contributed in building Hōryū-ji? To me it sounds like a biased claim; "The Japanese must not have possessed the ability ", however the Japanese are not the kind of people who would learn nothing for a century.
The layout of the Pagoda and Golden hall are different from temples of Paekche; Hōryū-ji is not a symmetric layout, Golden hall at the east, Pagoda at the west, on the other hand Paekche temples have placed Pagoda at the south, Golden hall at the north, symmetrically. Hōryū-ji type layout
Finally the Kudara(Paekche) Kannon sculpture is generally said to be made in Japan because it is made from a native camphor tree and no expamples of Paekche sculpture using the same kind of wood exists. Kudara(Paekche) Kannon is only a nickname based on a story in the Edo period which claims it was made in India and came from Paekche. No.95 The Kudara Kannon, How to enjoy the masterpieces of Japanese Art, Tanaka Hidemichi Nobu Sho 16:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Korean expertise was also involved.
i can't read sources in japanese.. it is encouraged that you provide sources that are verifable as per wikipedia english.
also, you misunderstand my position. if the paekche helped build the first horyu ji. and then it was rebuilt by the japanese, it still is based on the original baekche design.
your second point, i find it ironic that you cite a source that you earlier claimed was weak.. which is it?
finally, again, just b/c there is no example of paekche sculpture in a specific tree does not mean anything if the statute itself has discernable styles of korean art.
Come on guys. Whether or not the article validates significant sections referring to Korea (Paekche) is not an issue of neutrality. It's an issue of.. what the focus of the article is, and whether or not this information on Korean architecture is valuable (useful, relevant) enough. LordAmeth 23:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I`m with Lord Ameth come on this is a storm in a tea cup and erodes the meaning of the neutrality warning mark. If the mark is overused then it may eventually hold little meaning for anyone because every article has one on it 01:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
In the text book Arts and Culture( ISBN 0-13-189915-5), Janetta Rebold Benton and Robert DiYanni detail how Chinese culture profoundly influenced early the Japanese culture.
The main contributor to this article states that the Paecke were Chinese in culture; they migrated to the Korean peninsula. It is a fact that Buddhism did come to Japan from the Chinese mainland. The Horyuji in Nara Prefecture was constructed as a Buddhist temple, shortly after Buddhist expression came to Japan. How did Buddhist expression come to Japan?
I've heard and read many times that it was designed by Hata Kawakatsu, so I'm not sure why it isn't on the page, is it not confirmed? Kansaikiwi 04:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I am carrying out some edits on this article including additional findings throuhg the most recent excavations and studies for the last 10 years or so. Some rephrasing are also being applied. Some citations are not anymore retrievable on the net; whenever this is the case, and the existing text has some contradiction to the common understandings, I will relocate some text to this talk page. -- OhMyDeer 12:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Kongō Gumi company. When it comes to the relationship to Hōryu-ji, there are even less clue. There is no record kept by the temple as to who worked in the initial construction; besides, there are other missions, emissary or group of people recorded to have arrived in Japan from Baekje, including again carpenters and craftsen. From the modern Kongō Gumi corporation point of view, they were careful enough to mention (in their homepage) only that one of the two compatriots, arriving in Japan at the same time as their founder did, could have joined the construction force of Hōryū-ji, but without going as far as to say it was a member of theier Group. It should be also noted that, in the Guiness record standards, the Kongō Gumi company was not able to prove their contigousness of business from the 6th century, due to lack of evidence required. Nevertheless, obviously there was at least one media that said straight it was the company who constructed Hōryū-ji. -- OhMyDeer 14:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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The sentence In 1993, Hōryū-ji was inscribed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site and the Japanese government lists it as a National Treasure. in the intro needs to be rephrased. There is no such thing as a "National Treasure temple"! The Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology designates separate structures/buildings, sculptures, paintings and so on as National Treasure. In Hōryū-ji, there are 19 structural National Treasures and 17 sculpture-National Treasures (total number of National Treasure statues is much higher since some of them are groups of statues). To see what is included have a look at List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures) and List of National Treasures of Japan (temples). These numbers (17, 19) are quite impressive and possibly the highest concentration of NT-sculptures/structures in Japan, so it is worth mentioning. There might also be National Treasures of the crafts category (boxes, mirrors, swords,...) at Hōryū-ji, for which there is no list yet on the English wikipedia. bamse ( talk) 16:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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There are several malformatted citations, two of which are completely broken. The references are in Japanese, a language I once studied but have largely forgotten. I'd rather leave the tampering with such links to people who know Japanese well — could somebody please have a look? David Cannon ( talk) 14:18, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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This article had been created by "copy&paste" not "move". Will some Sysops please join(concat) this Horyu-ji's history to another " Horyuji temple"'s? Wandering perfect fool 22:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I was surprised to find this article so short. With the right attention and effort, this could become a much longer article, with complex descriptions of the origins/history of the temple, the architecture of its buildings, and some examples (or links to articles on) of its art. I regret that I have not the time, sources, nor expertise to contribute much myself, but I just thought it might be pointed out. LordAmeth 03:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Please define what is Chinese architechture??. During that period of time did Chinese architecture exist?? Horyu-ji temple architecture is very Korean. Korean cultural essence does previal in Horyu-ji temple like it or not. During that period of time. Kudara ( Paekje Kingdom) had tremendous cultural impact on island of Japan. Lets accept the Historical truth and reality. Lets stop relating everything to Chinese culture. Chinese didn't invent or build the world. Korean Kingdoms also had civilization and culture just as much as Chinese can claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koreankudarakansai ( talk • contribs) 14:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Hasn't Paekche learned this sort of architechture from China? Hōryū-ji temple is an example of Buddhist temples common in east Asia in those days. It only sounds like boasting; the effort of the Japanese people must be respected. I believe "The Japanese have taught how to make cars or semiconductors." is inappropriate for a Korean economic article because of the same reason.
I can' t accept this because of its weak sources.
This sentence is not enough claim that Paekche architects have built Hōryū-ji. Besides, Paekche has falled (660) before Hōryū-ji was rebuilt in the end of the 7C to the beginning of the 8C. It is true that the first Buddhist temple Hōkō-ji(Asuka-dera, end of 6C to the beginning of the 7C) was built by Paekche's craftsmen (Nihonshoki, 588) Hōkō-ji, however Hōryū-ji is a 100 years later; it would be natural that the Japanese people have learned to built temples by themselves (consider the economic development and R&D of Japan in the recent 60 years), how is it proved the Japanese never contributed in building Hōryū-ji? To me it sounds like a biased claim; "The Japanese must not have possessed the ability ", however the Japanese are not the kind of people who would learn nothing for a century.
The layout of the Pagoda and Golden hall are different from temples of Paekche; Hōryū-ji is not a symmetric layout, Golden hall at the east, Pagoda at the west, on the other hand Paekche temples have placed Pagoda at the south, Golden hall at the north, symmetrically. Hōryū-ji type layout
Finally the Kudara(Paekche) Kannon sculpture is generally said to be made in Japan because it is made from a native camphor tree and no expamples of Paekche sculpture using the same kind of wood exists. Kudara(Paekche) Kannon is only a nickname based on a story in the Edo period which claims it was made in India and came from Paekche. No.95 The Kudara Kannon, How to enjoy the masterpieces of Japanese Art, Tanaka Hidemichi Nobu Sho 16:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Korean expertise was also involved.
i can't read sources in japanese.. it is encouraged that you provide sources that are verifable as per wikipedia english.
also, you misunderstand my position. if the paekche helped build the first horyu ji. and then it was rebuilt by the japanese, it still is based on the original baekche design.
your second point, i find it ironic that you cite a source that you earlier claimed was weak.. which is it?
finally, again, just b/c there is no example of paekche sculpture in a specific tree does not mean anything if the statute itself has discernable styles of korean art.
Come on guys. Whether or not the article validates significant sections referring to Korea (Paekche) is not an issue of neutrality. It's an issue of.. what the focus of the article is, and whether or not this information on Korean architecture is valuable (useful, relevant) enough. LordAmeth 23:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I`m with Lord Ameth come on this is a storm in a tea cup and erodes the meaning of the neutrality warning mark. If the mark is overused then it may eventually hold little meaning for anyone because every article has one on it 01:25, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
In the text book Arts and Culture( ISBN 0-13-189915-5), Janetta Rebold Benton and Robert DiYanni detail how Chinese culture profoundly influenced early the Japanese culture.
The main contributor to this article states that the Paecke were Chinese in culture; they migrated to the Korean peninsula. It is a fact that Buddhism did come to Japan from the Chinese mainland. The Horyuji in Nara Prefecture was constructed as a Buddhist temple, shortly after Buddhist expression came to Japan. How did Buddhist expression come to Japan?
I've heard and read many times that it was designed by Hata Kawakatsu, so I'm not sure why it isn't on the page, is it not confirmed? Kansaikiwi 04:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I am carrying out some edits on this article including additional findings throuhg the most recent excavations and studies for the last 10 years or so. Some rephrasing are also being applied. Some citations are not anymore retrievable on the net; whenever this is the case, and the existing text has some contradiction to the common understandings, I will relocate some text to this talk page. -- OhMyDeer 12:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Kongō Gumi company. When it comes to the relationship to Hōryu-ji, there are even less clue. There is no record kept by the temple as to who worked in the initial construction; besides, there are other missions, emissary or group of people recorded to have arrived in Japan from Baekje, including again carpenters and craftsen. From the modern Kongō Gumi corporation point of view, they were careful enough to mention (in their homepage) only that one of the two compatriots, arriving in Japan at the same time as their founder did, could have joined the construction force of Hōryū-ji, but without going as far as to say it was a member of theier Group. It should be also noted that, in the Guiness record standards, the Kongō Gumi company was not able to prove their contigousness of business from the 6th century, due to lack of evidence required. Nevertheless, obviously there was at least one media that said straight it was the company who constructed Hōryū-ji. -- OhMyDeer 14:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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The sentence In 1993, Hōryū-ji was inscribed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site and the Japanese government lists it as a National Treasure. in the intro needs to be rephrased. There is no such thing as a "National Treasure temple"! The Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology designates separate structures/buildings, sculptures, paintings and so on as National Treasure. In Hōryū-ji, there are 19 structural National Treasures and 17 sculpture-National Treasures (total number of National Treasure statues is much higher since some of them are groups of statues). To see what is included have a look at List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures) and List of National Treasures of Japan (temples). These numbers (17, 19) are quite impressive and possibly the highest concentration of NT-sculptures/structures in Japan, so it is worth mentioning. There might also be National Treasures of the crafts category (boxes, mirrors, swords,...) at Hōryū-ji, for which there is no list yet on the English wikipedia. bamse ( talk) 16:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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There are several malformatted citations, two of which are completely broken. The references are in Japanese, a language I once studied but have largely forgotten. I'd rather leave the tampering with such links to people who know Japanese well — could somebody please have a look? David Cannon ( talk) 14:18, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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