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It's important to also have a Japanese language version of this page to increase awareness and understanding about Hāfu among people in Japan. So if you have good Japanese language skills please take some time to make a Japanese page about Hāfu.
Artanisen ( talk) 00:00, 05 August 2018 (UTC)
Many Western audiences have argued that the term is incredibly derogatory or at least unintentionally disrespectful. If you google "hafu is offensive" there's 71,000 google results. For example, Miss America Japan voiced discomfort about the term, noting that it isn't necessary outside of Japan. Then there's this Asian writer adds a disclaimer at the bottom of her editorial apologizing for the term as borderline racist. Lastly there is a wide net of social media posts on reddit and other blogs that feel it is reverse racism and colloquially antiquated, while defenders feel it is much ado about nothing. 218.221.116.182 ( talk) 13:07, 15 June 2018 (UTC)megurohapa
I find it weird that fictional characters show up on this list. I'm not opposed of them being on this list but I think they should at least be seperated. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElbowLick ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
202.254.91.2 ( talk) 03:59, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Before anyone gets their panties in a twist over the section being removed, go have a look at the first page of the history and see just how many of the 50 most recent changes to this article were useful, and how many were simply people spamming more halfs onto the list. Tenaqzn'f Fbvyrq Gubat ( talk) 12:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
The list of notable hafu has evidently returned. I essentially have no problem with that, but if a real list were to be included, it would contain hundreds and hundreds of names. I feel that either the current list should be removed, or it be made into a thorough list of notables. It does a disservice to hafu, not to mention to the integrity of Wikipedia, to have just a cursory, subjective list. The key to this subject in Japan is the closeting of the phenonmenon, particularly as relates to Chinese- or Korean-Japanese hafu, among whose number there are many who have played key roles in society. It is for this reason that it is not simply a matter of vanity to make a thorough list. Such a list would play an important educational role, in fact.
Gregapan (
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Another issue: "Ainoko, however, encountered social problems such as poverty, impurity and discrimination". "Impurity" is not a "problem". It is a perception. The problem is the perception, which itself leads to the discirimination and the poverty. The sentence muddles that completely. If no one objects, I'd like to rewrite it. Gregapan ( talk) 04:04, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hiro Hamada should be on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.86.92.65 ( talk) 19:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Bringing the edit conflict between Artanisen and myself here rather than continuing to revert. There has previously been a hatnote link to Hafu (video game player) on this page, which Artanisen has removed, claiming it is advertising or self-promotion, whereas I believe it should be retained.
Can you please explain your reasoning in a bit more depth, Artanisen? What is it about this particular situation that makes you think that our guidelines for hatnotes shouldn't be applied here? As far as I can see, the guidelines are clear, and there should be a hatnote here. If the video game player is deemed notable enough for us to have an article about her, then we should be having the hatnote as a navigation aid for people trying to find the article about her. (And if she isn't sufficiently notable, then the article about her should go to WP:AFD or other standard deletion channels.)
Also, for complete clarity and avoidance of doubt, I am in no way affiliated with the video game player, am not attempting to advertise or promote her. Lowercaserho ( talk) 14:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
3O Response: A disambiguation page seems reasonable since it's also the name of a film. Are you sure the places listed are referred to as "Hafu" sometimes? But yeah, more generally, I'm pretty sure hatnotes for minor articles are standard on any page which counts as a WP:Primary Topic though I'll admit it bugs me too sometimes. ─ ReconditeRodent « talk · contribs » 22:04, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
It says on the page that the term "ainoco" is used in Portuguese to describe people with one Japanese parent. I am a Brazilian person that has many close Japanese Brazilian friends, with some mixed and others not. I have never heard the word "ainoco" used in my life. The term "mestiço" is way more prevalent to describe people of mixed Japanese ancestry in my personal experience. 168.196.21.51 ( talk) 01:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
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It's important to also have a Japanese language version of this page to increase awareness and understanding about Hāfu among people in Japan. So if you have good Japanese language skills please take some time to make a Japanese page about Hāfu.
Artanisen ( talk) 00:00, 05 August 2018 (UTC)
Many Western audiences have argued that the term is incredibly derogatory or at least unintentionally disrespectful. If you google "hafu is offensive" there's 71,000 google results. For example, Miss America Japan voiced discomfort about the term, noting that it isn't necessary outside of Japan. Then there's this Asian writer adds a disclaimer at the bottom of her editorial apologizing for the term as borderline racist. Lastly there is a wide net of social media posts on reddit and other blogs that feel it is reverse racism and colloquially antiquated, while defenders feel it is much ado about nothing. 218.221.116.182 ( talk) 13:07, 15 June 2018 (UTC)megurohapa
I find it weird that fictional characters show up on this list. I'm not opposed of them being on this list but I think they should at least be seperated. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElbowLick ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
202.254.91.2 ( talk) 03:59, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Before anyone gets their panties in a twist over the section being removed, go have a look at the first page of the history and see just how many of the 50 most recent changes to this article were useful, and how many were simply people spamming more halfs onto the list. Tenaqzn'f Fbvyrq Gubat ( talk) 12:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
The list of notable hafu has evidently returned. I essentially have no problem with that, but if a real list were to be included, it would contain hundreds and hundreds of names. I feel that either the current list should be removed, or it be made into a thorough list of notables. It does a disservice to hafu, not to mention to the integrity of Wikipedia, to have just a cursory, subjective list. The key to this subject in Japan is the closeting of the phenonmenon, particularly as relates to Chinese- or Korean-Japanese hafu, among whose number there are many who have played key roles in society. It is for this reason that it is not simply a matter of vanity to make a thorough list. Such a list would play an important educational role, in fact.
Gregapan (
talk) 04:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Another issue: "Ainoko, however, encountered social problems such as poverty, impurity and discrimination". "Impurity" is not a "problem". It is a perception. The problem is the perception, which itself leads to the discirimination and the poverty. The sentence muddles that completely. If no one objects, I'd like to rewrite it. Gregapan ( talk) 04:04, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hiro Hamada should be on that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.86.92.65 ( talk) 19:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Bringing the edit conflict between Artanisen and myself here rather than continuing to revert. There has previously been a hatnote link to Hafu (video game player) on this page, which Artanisen has removed, claiming it is advertising or self-promotion, whereas I believe it should be retained.
Can you please explain your reasoning in a bit more depth, Artanisen? What is it about this particular situation that makes you think that our guidelines for hatnotes shouldn't be applied here? As far as I can see, the guidelines are clear, and there should be a hatnote here. If the video game player is deemed notable enough for us to have an article about her, then we should be having the hatnote as a navigation aid for people trying to find the article about her. (And if she isn't sufficiently notable, then the article about her should go to WP:AFD or other standard deletion channels.)
Also, for complete clarity and avoidance of doubt, I am in no way affiliated with the video game player, am not attempting to advertise or promote her. Lowercaserho ( talk) 14:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
3O Response: A disambiguation page seems reasonable since it's also the name of a film. Are you sure the places listed are referred to as "Hafu" sometimes? But yeah, more generally, I'm pretty sure hatnotes for minor articles are standard on any page which counts as a WP:Primary Topic though I'll admit it bugs me too sometimes. ─ ReconditeRodent « talk · contribs » 22:04, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
It says on the page that the term "ainoco" is used in Portuguese to describe people with one Japanese parent. I am a Brazilian person that has many close Japanese Brazilian friends, with some mixed and others not. I have never heard the word "ainoco" used in my life. The term "mestiço" is way more prevalent to describe people of mixed Japanese ancestry in my personal experience. 168.196.21.51 ( talk) 01:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)