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Requested move 7 April 2022
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is that the primary topic is established, if nothing else since the proposed new title is already a PRIMARYREDIRECT to this article. Furthermore, opposition is not based in policy or guidelines. Pointing out ambiguity in a primary topic situation is pointless; ambiguity is a given. So what? Also, “title doesn’t sufficiently establish what the subject is” is not relevant to
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В²C☎06:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)reply
yes, but that could hold a disambiguation page. Can you show us any evidence that the one you want is actually the primary topic?
Dr. Vogel (
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05:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)reply
"Gyro" is a very common contraction for gyroscope, also seen in phrases gyro-action, gyro-stabilized etc. I'd say Gyros (the food) was a poor choice for primary even if it were my favorite.
Doug butler (
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06:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oh, that's a minefield. Of course, unless we have in this RM another long discussion on gyro~gyros, the closure should be followed by a move back to
Gyro (food) per that consensus from 2011. But the spelling was discussed again
in 2018 and in the the
discussion above (which is still ongoing). From these I can glean two things. First, gyro is by far the most common spelling in English and is the form found in virtually all dictionaries. Second, doubts have been expressed about whether what is meant by gyro in the English-speaking world is the same as the gyros of Greek cuisine in Greece. So this leads into the bigger question: if these are different things, which one should this article be about? Or whether the article should be about any of them at all – see
this 2011 thread which proposed a merge with the article about doner kebab, which resulted in a long but apparently inconclusive discussion. –
Uanfala (talk)16:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Although the term might be available, the title doesn't sufficiently establish what the subject is and given the use of the word as a short-form of gyroscope, and as a prefix, the parenthetical info is a useful, if not technically essential, clarifier IMO .
Pincrete (
talk)
13:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)reply
We don't insert disambiguation parentheticals into titles unless it is necessary because another article shares the same title, which it does not in this particular case. And "gyro" is a slang term for gyroscope, not "gyros".
Rreagan007 (
talk)
19:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I can't remember the exact policy wording, but we do require that a title be clear enough to adequately identify the topic, not simply that it be unique, I personally often find that I end up landing on articles that have failed to identify themselves clearly and WP's search function demands a re-type. My logic on this name is that "gyros" does not satisfy the 'clarity' requirement, whether a parenthesis is the best way to achieve clarity is a separate question. In the case of 'gyros', the word isn't particularly ambiguous, but it isn't very clear either.
Pincrete (
talk)
07:16, 10 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I appreciate that most editors prefer article titles to be as short as possible. I personally think that it would be good if article titles were clearer, especially as you have to re-type if you end up on the wrong article, as I often do. It isn't like reading the first sentence in a paper encyclopaedia, then flicking on an item/page or two, if you've landed in the wrong place. It is part of policy is it not that the article title clearly identify the subject, not simply be a unique name? I personally would immediately recognise all but one of those foods, but many readers wouldn't.
Pincrete (
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17:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Normally lamb or pork?
The introduction says it is normally made with lamb in Greece. But under Preparation it says it is normally made with pork and rarely lamb. Which is it?
89.99.73.208 (
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20:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't think we should pretend this is some special Canadian traditional dish. It's just a Döner made in Canada. Despite a bit of variation in the sauce.
Same with the "Al Pastor" döner from Mexico. Or should we also include the döner they make in Germany, in England, in France, etc. and call them traditional dishes? What about pizza - I'm sure each country could get its own Wiki entry for the kind of pizza they make in that country.
77.233.228.141 (
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10:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
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The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is that the primary topic is established, if nothing else since the proposed new title is already a PRIMARYREDIRECT to this article. Furthermore, opposition is not based in policy or guidelines. Pointing out ambiguity in a primary topic situation is pointless; ambiguity is a given. So what? Also, “title doesn’t sufficiently establish what the subject is” is not relevant to
WP:CRITERIA. The proposed title is the most common name of the topic. That’s undisputed and sufficient by definition. Come on, folks. (
non-admin closure)
В²C☎06:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)reply
yes, but that could hold a disambiguation page. Can you show us any evidence that the one you want is actually the primary topic?
Dr. Vogel (
talk)
05:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)reply
"Gyro" is a very common contraction for gyroscope, also seen in phrases gyro-action, gyro-stabilized etc. I'd say Gyros (the food) was a poor choice for primary even if it were my favorite.
Doug butler (
talk)
06:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oh, that's a minefield. Of course, unless we have in this RM another long discussion on gyro~gyros, the closure should be followed by a move back to
Gyro (food) per that consensus from 2011. But the spelling was discussed again
in 2018 and in the the
discussion above (which is still ongoing). From these I can glean two things. First, gyro is by far the most common spelling in English and is the form found in virtually all dictionaries. Second, doubts have been expressed about whether what is meant by gyro in the English-speaking world is the same as the gyros of Greek cuisine in Greece. So this leads into the bigger question: if these are different things, which one should this article be about? Or whether the article should be about any of them at all – see
this 2011 thread which proposed a merge with the article about doner kebab, which resulted in a long but apparently inconclusive discussion. –
Uanfala (talk)16:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Although the term might be available, the title doesn't sufficiently establish what the subject is and given the use of the word as a short-form of gyroscope, and as a prefix, the parenthetical info is a useful, if not technically essential, clarifier IMO .
Pincrete (
talk)
13:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)reply
We don't insert disambiguation parentheticals into titles unless it is necessary because another article shares the same title, which it does not in this particular case. And "gyro" is a slang term for gyroscope, not "gyros".
Rreagan007 (
talk)
19:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I can't remember the exact policy wording, but we do require that a title be clear enough to adequately identify the topic, not simply that it be unique, I personally often find that I end up landing on articles that have failed to identify themselves clearly and WP's search function demands a re-type. My logic on this name is that "gyros" does not satisfy the 'clarity' requirement, whether a parenthesis is the best way to achieve clarity is a separate question. In the case of 'gyros', the word isn't particularly ambiguous, but it isn't very clear either.
Pincrete (
talk)
07:16, 10 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I appreciate that most editors prefer article titles to be as short as possible. I personally think that it would be good if article titles were clearer, especially as you have to re-type if you end up on the wrong article, as I often do. It isn't like reading the first sentence in a paper encyclopaedia, then flicking on an item/page or two, if you've landed in the wrong place. It is part of policy is it not that the article title clearly identify the subject, not simply be a unique name? I personally would immediately recognise all but one of those foods, but many readers wouldn't.
Pincrete (
talk)
17:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Normally lamb or pork?
The introduction says it is normally made with lamb in Greece. But under Preparation it says it is normally made with pork and rarely lamb. Which is it?
89.99.73.208 (
talk)
20:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't think we should pretend this is some special Canadian traditional dish. It's just a Döner made in Canada. Despite a bit of variation in the sauce.
Same with the "Al Pastor" döner from Mexico. Or should we also include the döner they make in Germany, in England, in France, etc. and call them traditional dishes? What about pizza - I'm sure each country could get its own Wiki entry for the kind of pizza they make in that country.
77.233.228.141 (
talk)
10:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply