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I'm not really too satisfied with the current link announcing the release date. I'm not going to delete it for the time being, but I do have some issues with it. The link says that "Activision has announced" this game and release date, but I can't find such an announcement anywhere on Activision's site. Furthermore, I can't find similar news items anywhere else, which seems really strange to me, especially since Orange Lounge Radio posted this news item yesterday. I guess I'm just saying that if I don't hear something a little more official in the next few days, I'm probably going to delete any info regarding the release date. If something does pop up, a better source should be used. - Chickencha 23:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, this game now has it's own spot on GameFAQs, along with a release date: 4 June 2007. Not to discount the validity of their info, but I can't find any third party verification of this, or any publisher announcement etc ... Daggoth S 01:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need to have a citation stating who the song was originally by? If people want to know that, they can just browsethe article. Demoman87 19:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Those two recently stated master tracks ("Wrathchild" and "Turning Japanese") need a citation. Demoman87 01:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I was 7 in '89, so I don't have the best knowledge of 80s songs. What songs would probably be in this game?-- 71.35.69.46 21:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to see this deleted, it's only linked to one person's blog, there is no actual sources that back up this. I've looked all over the internet and can not find any information that shows there is going to be said game. --
130.215.155.21
20:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I was looking at it, and I realized that I have that issue. I can look and see if it's in the Rumor Mill section, or whether it was part of a larger article and get back to this page later today. Tenraixtreme 10:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
UPDATE: I looked through the Feb 2007 issue of EGM, and to no avail. I couldn't find it in the Rumor Mill, or anywhere else in the magazine. If someone has a scan or a page number, feel free to show it, but all sources point to an invisible article, so I don't know... Tenraixtreme 23:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
You're right. I DID just find it. *sigh* I need to be more careful. Tenraixtreme 00:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I erased those 3 extra songs put on the list. There's no credible evidence that those were ever announced to be in the game.
Demoman87
15:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
~!~ Removed Bow Wow Wow's "I Want Candy". It will not be released in the final version, source : http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2/guitar-hero-ii-rocks-the-80s/792574p1.html Read the editor's note in the article.
The statement that the song "Radar Love" is going to be in the game needs a citation. I'm going to add it to the list unless someone finds that it is not confirmed. Demoman87 18:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
The page has Harmonix listed as the developer but i have yet to find any article that states this. From what i can see it looks like this will be Neversoft's first shot at the franchise before they go on to work on GH3. Does anyone know of anything stating that Harmonix is workign on GH 80's? DyloniusFunk 23:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I know that the article seems pretty sketchy right now in that all information about it is second hand (eg Orange Lounge claims that an official Activision announcement set the date... but no other site has this announcement, they all link back to Orange Lounge). Plus, the only other unique news bit is that EGM announced this back several months ago.
I strongly recommend NOT deleting this article, and instead editing the front page text to be a non-POV'ish note on that this is a speculative title with no direct official confirmation from RO, Harmonix, or Activision (yeah, not easy to write but can be done); come a month from now, if no new details are known, then I suggest putting up an RFD again. Mostly because, if this is taken down before 80s edition is confirmed or denied, someone is going to put the article back up again. -- Masem 15:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I am a Guitar Hero junkie, and I put the AFD tag up because this page has not significantly changed since JANUARY. No one can come up with a realistic date, or anything significant about the game. People will add unsubstantiated points, link it to personal blogs, or simply vandalize it. With no new information coming out in 4-5 months, I feel it is appropriate to delete this page until something is put up Harmonix, or Activision. Note, there is a Guitar Hero III page also....-- 130.215.155.21 20:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Orange Lounge has rarely been wrong. One of the writers works for a software distributer, and he is almost always spot on with release dates. Also, Gamespot has the game's info as of right now on their page (see source list). Estimated release date is June 4th '07.
Djratchet 22:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
-- 130.215.155.21 12:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
And now there is official confirmation as well as a partial track list. This should finally put the debate to rest. As a side note, this is how the industry works a lot of the time. Companies refuse to officially confirm a title, even though they're the ones specifically talking about the title and referencing it. Harmonix did confirm months ago that they were the ones handling this as a last hurrah for their part in the series (as of now). That alone should have been sufficient confirmation. DestradoZero 14:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Probably way too early to tell, but I notice int he May 10th press release, that of the songs they list, the first two are "by" as opposed to "as made famous by". It could have been a bad copyedit before release, but I wonder if that means the first two are "masters", and both Twisted Sister and Flock of Seagulls helped to create them. It may be a detail we won't know for sure until closer to release. -- Masem 12:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
i added songs that were released today onto The page. the source for it is on http://www.el33tonline.com/main/show_news/3065 i did a bad job making it look good so if you can help make it look bet that would be appreciated Uknowwhatisup1 15:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
how is A7X on there... they aren't from the 80s!!!
thats very cheap,
shame to u red octane!!!
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The Activision press release says "Mental Health" will be in the game, but a recent 1UP.com preview mentions "Bang Your Head" instead. I'm guessing "Bang Your Head" will be the song used because it's more recent, but I guess it could have somehow been a mistake as well. I'm leaving the mention of both in the article right now. Pele Merengue 03:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Any reason why Krokus is listed as the band for writing Ballroom Blitz and not Sweet? Is it because Sweet did it in the 70s?
I updated the setlist based on snackbar-games.com's preview from last week. I was going to put "We Got The Beat" where there's an empty space in Amp Warmers, because it's an unbelievably easy song, but I couldn't be sure. Also, the same article references "Balls To The Wall" as a master track. They have the preview copy in hand, so I'm going to assume that they're accurate. I'm not sure if "unannounced song" is the best thing to put in. If someone has a better idea, go for it. Skrutop 21:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm requesting semi protection on this page for a month; the amount of vandalism on the setlist pages is getting out of hand.
Also, for those saying that this can't be the set list because they feel a song is in the wrong difficulty bracket: I won't argue that some songs may seem out of place. However, using information from what appear to be two reputable sources, we have something to start from, but only until the game is in our hands can we confirm it. The current language used to say that this is the present setlist is fine; it is not necessary to call out that this is unlikely the final set list, as that is throwing a bias into the article. So don't get me wrong, I understand that songs may seem misplaced, but to call the set list order out on that right now is a POV/bias that we cannot include. -- Masem 20:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it really the encore, I don't See any proof.
74.225.214.195 21:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Can confirm from the actual game that "Ballroom Blitz" is in the 4th tier, and not even the encore for that tier. The final song is "Play With Me" by Extreme.
According to Bret Michaels interview, not only will Nothing but a Good Time be on GH's but so will Talk Dirty to Me. http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070620/LIFESTYLE/70620007
Likely what was being referred to is that both songs were licensed for a Guitar Hero game... "Nothing But a Good Time" wound up here but "Talk Dirty to Me" was licensed for Guitar Hero III. 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 07:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
This was up on a UK retail site, but I'm not sure it's concrete enough to include in the game's page: http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation2/4-/3361827/Guitar-Hero-II-Rocks-The-80s/Product.html
Skrutop 15:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
IGN posted an official announcement of the last tracks that we've known about for awhile. Added to the mix is "Because, It's Midnite" by Limozeen (it's a fake 80s band brought to you by the folks from homestarrrunner.com; the same ones that gave us "Trogdor").
The "final" makes me wonder if they're not going to replace "I Want Candy" with anything else, but just integrate the Limozeen song into the setlist. Skrutop 20:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2/guitar-hero-ii-rocks-the-80s/800409p1.html 69.224.68.45 22:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Well that's cool but why is Lonely is the Night on there twice?
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CrimsonKing2000
00:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Just because Gamespy says the song title is "Ain't Nothin' But a Good Time", that makes it the official title? Gamespot shows it as "Nothin' but a Good Time" like I had it, and as it's shown on their "20 Years of Poison" CD. The BAND is the authority on their song titles, not some game site. Sensei Le Roof 02:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Given that the only apparent change on the cover is the change of rating, I don't think this qualifies as a need to have this cover present. This is contrast to the case for Guitar Hero II where there is a big change between the PS2 and 360 version (characters, etc.). -- Masem 00:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I put the EU cover in to show the change of name in Europe, not the change of rating. I think it's pretty significiant that the 'encore' is being dropped for the PAL release. I vote reinsert the image until we decide whether or not the Amazon reference is all that's necessary. DVD Smith 18:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
While White Lion has the credited cover on the game itself, I think Golden Earring deserves some kind of credit here for actually being the one to make the song famous, especially because the original is the most commonly still played version on the radio and elsewhere. Maybe some mention of the original artists of any of the songs that have cover artists listed would be informative.
We were informed that the release date was the 24th, and just got a call today saying it should be available as expected and within the week if not tomorrow. We'll be heading out early tomorrow morning to pick it up, I'll update as necessary :). 67.142.130.21 03:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC) (Actually, this is ThymeCypher, but apparently, Wikipedia don't like Mozilla Minefield)
About to play it now. I'll keep everyone posted. 67.142.130.12 15:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
21:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
The Vans arena is still in there but renamed "Rock for Safety Tour" and there is one guitar skin change which is for the Kramer; I could be wrong on that though.
Now that the game's out and the information on the page is relatively stable, I think we can get this cleaned up and readied for a GA. However, there's three major things we need for that:
I think everything else is fine for a GA (with the question about leaving the soundtrack here or moving to another page -- I'm going to also ask about this at the WP:CVG general discussion), so this should be a no-brainer. -- Masem 16:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it is enough for it's own section but I think it should be worth mentioning in the article that the School arena has an error in it. There's a banner on one wall to the right of the stage (facing it) that lists championship years (or something to that idea) and the most recent year it shows on it is 1992 which is clearly not part of the 80s. -- TopherRocks 15:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Some considerations, some obligations:
PM me when you're done, and I'll come back and run through it, as well as check spelling, prose. David Fuchs ( talk) 18:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I proposed we merge List of songs in Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s to this page. Even though all the other GHs have their own Songs page, this one only had 30 tracks. If we don't merge, we should at least put the songs here. Thoughts? J-stan Talk Contribs 15:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Should the GH songlists be merged to a single article? Please see discussion
here. --
MASEM
20:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Why is this word so damned overused today, especially in Wikipedia? Was the lawsuit mentioned in this section really that controversial? Probably not. 174.1.156.204 ( talk) 06:43, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks, the link to Orange Lounge Radio as a cited source is bunk (and attributed as such), I know, but I was wondering if someone could tell me Wikipedia's stance on using the Internet Archive? The original content is available at https://web.archive.org/web/20081221233007/http://www.orangeloungeradio.com/phpnuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=719, but I don't know if I should just update the reference to use that, or if WP prefers something more "official".
Full Disclosure: I am the webmaster for Orange Lounge Radio and am involved in the show's production, I'm considering resurrecting / making static pages for pages referenced like this one, but I'm curious if I should just rely on iA instead. VxJasonxV ( talk) 05:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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I'm not really too satisfied with the current link announcing the release date. I'm not going to delete it for the time being, but I do have some issues with it. The link says that "Activision has announced" this game and release date, but I can't find such an announcement anywhere on Activision's site. Furthermore, I can't find similar news items anywhere else, which seems really strange to me, especially since Orange Lounge Radio posted this news item yesterday. I guess I'm just saying that if I don't hear something a little more official in the next few days, I'm probably going to delete any info regarding the release date. If something does pop up, a better source should be used. - Chickencha 23:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, this game now has it's own spot on GameFAQs, along with a release date: 4 June 2007. Not to discount the validity of their info, but I can't find any third party verification of this, or any publisher announcement etc ... Daggoth S 01:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need to have a citation stating who the song was originally by? If people want to know that, they can just browsethe article. Demoman87 19:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Those two recently stated master tracks ("Wrathchild" and "Turning Japanese") need a citation. Demoman87 01:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I was 7 in '89, so I don't have the best knowledge of 80s songs. What songs would probably be in this game?-- 71.35.69.46 21:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I would like to see this deleted, it's only linked to one person's blog, there is no actual sources that back up this. I've looked all over the internet and can not find any information that shows there is going to be said game. --
130.215.155.21
20:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I was looking at it, and I realized that I have that issue. I can look and see if it's in the Rumor Mill section, or whether it was part of a larger article and get back to this page later today. Tenraixtreme 10:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
UPDATE: I looked through the Feb 2007 issue of EGM, and to no avail. I couldn't find it in the Rumor Mill, or anywhere else in the magazine. If someone has a scan or a page number, feel free to show it, but all sources point to an invisible article, so I don't know... Tenraixtreme 23:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
You're right. I DID just find it. *sigh* I need to be more careful. Tenraixtreme 00:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I erased those 3 extra songs put on the list. There's no credible evidence that those were ever announced to be in the game.
Demoman87
15:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
~!~ Removed Bow Wow Wow's "I Want Candy". It will not be released in the final version, source : http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2/guitar-hero-ii-rocks-the-80s/792574p1.html Read the editor's note in the article.
The statement that the song "Radar Love" is going to be in the game needs a citation. I'm going to add it to the list unless someone finds that it is not confirmed. Demoman87 18:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
The page has Harmonix listed as the developer but i have yet to find any article that states this. From what i can see it looks like this will be Neversoft's first shot at the franchise before they go on to work on GH3. Does anyone know of anything stating that Harmonix is workign on GH 80's? DyloniusFunk 23:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I know that the article seems pretty sketchy right now in that all information about it is second hand (eg Orange Lounge claims that an official Activision announcement set the date... but no other site has this announcement, they all link back to Orange Lounge). Plus, the only other unique news bit is that EGM announced this back several months ago.
I strongly recommend NOT deleting this article, and instead editing the front page text to be a non-POV'ish note on that this is a speculative title with no direct official confirmation from RO, Harmonix, or Activision (yeah, not easy to write but can be done); come a month from now, if no new details are known, then I suggest putting up an RFD again. Mostly because, if this is taken down before 80s edition is confirmed or denied, someone is going to put the article back up again. -- Masem 15:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I am a Guitar Hero junkie, and I put the AFD tag up because this page has not significantly changed since JANUARY. No one can come up with a realistic date, or anything significant about the game. People will add unsubstantiated points, link it to personal blogs, or simply vandalize it. With no new information coming out in 4-5 months, I feel it is appropriate to delete this page until something is put up Harmonix, or Activision. Note, there is a Guitar Hero III page also....-- 130.215.155.21 20:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Orange Lounge has rarely been wrong. One of the writers works for a software distributer, and he is almost always spot on with release dates. Also, Gamespot has the game's info as of right now on their page (see source list). Estimated release date is June 4th '07.
Djratchet 22:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
-- 130.215.155.21 12:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
And now there is official confirmation as well as a partial track list. This should finally put the debate to rest. As a side note, this is how the industry works a lot of the time. Companies refuse to officially confirm a title, even though they're the ones specifically talking about the title and referencing it. Harmonix did confirm months ago that they were the ones handling this as a last hurrah for their part in the series (as of now). That alone should have been sufficient confirmation. DestradoZero 14:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Probably way too early to tell, but I notice int he May 10th press release, that of the songs they list, the first two are "by" as opposed to "as made famous by". It could have been a bad copyedit before release, but I wonder if that means the first two are "masters", and both Twisted Sister and Flock of Seagulls helped to create them. It may be a detail we won't know for sure until closer to release. -- Masem 12:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
i added songs that were released today onto The page. the source for it is on http://www.el33tonline.com/main/show_news/3065 i did a bad job making it look good so if you can help make it look bet that would be appreciated Uknowwhatisup1 15:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
how is A7X on there... they aren't from the 80s!!!
thats very cheap,
shame to u red octane!!!
Super Drew9
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The Activision press release says "Mental Health" will be in the game, but a recent 1UP.com preview mentions "Bang Your Head" instead. I'm guessing "Bang Your Head" will be the song used because it's more recent, but I guess it could have somehow been a mistake as well. I'm leaving the mention of both in the article right now. Pele Merengue 03:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Any reason why Krokus is listed as the band for writing Ballroom Blitz and not Sweet? Is it because Sweet did it in the 70s?
I updated the setlist based on snackbar-games.com's preview from last week. I was going to put "We Got The Beat" where there's an empty space in Amp Warmers, because it's an unbelievably easy song, but I couldn't be sure. Also, the same article references "Balls To The Wall" as a master track. They have the preview copy in hand, so I'm going to assume that they're accurate. I'm not sure if "unannounced song" is the best thing to put in. If someone has a better idea, go for it. Skrutop 21:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm requesting semi protection on this page for a month; the amount of vandalism on the setlist pages is getting out of hand.
Also, for those saying that this can't be the set list because they feel a song is in the wrong difficulty bracket: I won't argue that some songs may seem out of place. However, using information from what appear to be two reputable sources, we have something to start from, but only until the game is in our hands can we confirm it. The current language used to say that this is the present setlist is fine; it is not necessary to call out that this is unlikely the final set list, as that is throwing a bias into the article. So don't get me wrong, I understand that songs may seem misplaced, but to call the set list order out on that right now is a POV/bias that we cannot include. -- Masem 20:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it really the encore, I don't See any proof.
74.225.214.195 21:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Can confirm from the actual game that "Ballroom Blitz" is in the 4th tier, and not even the encore for that tier. The final song is "Play With Me" by Extreme.
According to Bret Michaels interview, not only will Nothing but a Good Time be on GH's but so will Talk Dirty to Me. http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070620/LIFESTYLE/70620007
Likely what was being referred to is that both songs were licensed for a Guitar Hero game... "Nothing But a Good Time" wound up here but "Talk Dirty to Me" was licensed for Guitar Hero III. 75.70.123.215 ( talk) 07:05, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
This was up on a UK retail site, but I'm not sure it's concrete enough to include in the game's page: http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation2/4-/3361827/Guitar-Hero-II-Rocks-The-80s/Product.html
Skrutop 15:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
IGN posted an official announcement of the last tracks that we've known about for awhile. Added to the mix is "Because, It's Midnite" by Limozeen (it's a fake 80s band brought to you by the folks from homestarrrunner.com; the same ones that gave us "Trogdor").
The "final" makes me wonder if they're not going to replace "I Want Candy" with anything else, but just integrate the Limozeen song into the setlist. Skrutop 20:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2/guitar-hero-ii-rocks-the-80s/800409p1.html 69.224.68.45 22:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Well that's cool but why is Lonely is the Night on there twice?
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00:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Just because Gamespy says the song title is "Ain't Nothin' But a Good Time", that makes it the official title? Gamespot shows it as "Nothin' but a Good Time" like I had it, and as it's shown on their "20 Years of Poison" CD. The BAND is the authority on their song titles, not some game site. Sensei Le Roof 02:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Given that the only apparent change on the cover is the change of rating, I don't think this qualifies as a need to have this cover present. This is contrast to the case for Guitar Hero II where there is a big change between the PS2 and 360 version (characters, etc.). -- Masem 00:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I put the EU cover in to show the change of name in Europe, not the change of rating. I think it's pretty significiant that the 'encore' is being dropped for the PAL release. I vote reinsert the image until we decide whether or not the Amazon reference is all that's necessary. DVD Smith 18:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
While White Lion has the credited cover on the game itself, I think Golden Earring deserves some kind of credit here for actually being the one to make the song famous, especially because the original is the most commonly still played version on the radio and elsewhere. Maybe some mention of the original artists of any of the songs that have cover artists listed would be informative.
We were informed that the release date was the 24th, and just got a call today saying it should be available as expected and within the week if not tomorrow. We'll be heading out early tomorrow morning to pick it up, I'll update as necessary :). 67.142.130.21 03:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC) (Actually, this is ThymeCypher, but apparently, Wikipedia don't like Mozilla Minefield)
About to play it now. I'll keep everyone posted. 67.142.130.12 15:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
21:01, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
The Vans arena is still in there but renamed "Rock for Safety Tour" and there is one guitar skin change which is for the Kramer; I could be wrong on that though.
Now that the game's out and the information on the page is relatively stable, I think we can get this cleaned up and readied for a GA. However, there's three major things we need for that:
I think everything else is fine for a GA (with the question about leaving the soundtrack here or moving to another page -- I'm going to also ask about this at the WP:CVG general discussion), so this should be a no-brainer. -- Masem 16:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it is enough for it's own section but I think it should be worth mentioning in the article that the School arena has an error in it. There's a banner on one wall to the right of the stage (facing it) that lists championship years (or something to that idea) and the most recent year it shows on it is 1992 which is clearly not part of the 80s. -- TopherRocks 15:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Some considerations, some obligations:
PM me when you're done, and I'll come back and run through it, as well as check spelling, prose. David Fuchs ( talk) 18:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I proposed we merge List of songs in Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s to this page. Even though all the other GHs have their own Songs page, this one only had 30 tracks. If we don't merge, we should at least put the songs here. Thoughts? J-stan Talk Contribs 15:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Should the GH songlists be merged to a single article? Please see discussion
here. --
MASEM
20:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Why is this word so damned overused today, especially in Wikipedia? Was the lawsuit mentioned in this section really that controversial? Probably not. 174.1.156.204 ( talk) 06:43, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks, the link to Orange Lounge Radio as a cited source is bunk (and attributed as such), I know, but I was wondering if someone could tell me Wikipedia's stance on using the Internet Archive? The original content is available at https://web.archive.org/web/20081221233007/http://www.orangeloungeradio.com/phpnuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=719, but I don't know if I should just update the reference to use that, or if WP prefers something more "official".
Full Disclosure: I am the webmaster for Orange Lounge Radio and am involved in the show's production, I'm considering resurrecting / making static pages for pages referenced like this one, but I'm curious if I should just rely on iA instead. VxJasonxV ( talk) 05:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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