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The russian micex went up sept 19 by 26% and RTS went up same day by 20%. so this article is completely wrong already. 67.175.45.138 ( talk) 16:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Monday 06-Oct-2008 the RTS fell below the psychological limit of 1000... and in the first week of the October russian stock market was closed at least for a couple of times... think these things should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.40.240.184 ( talk) 19:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
This article seems featuring very strong anti-russian POV to me. It does not provide any souces on the causes of the 'Russian' crisis and overall portrays it as completely different to thу mortgage crisis. however, the main reason behind the fall of Russian SE is, after all, the huge lack of finansial resources, and decline in oil and gaz prices, which followed the withdrawal of funds from emerging markets and fall of manufacturing when the last stage of crisis in U.S. started. fall of Russian stocks price is not something sui generis, but is a part of world financial crisis. I therefore propose to merge this with 2008 World financial crisis article. FeelSunny ( talk) 22:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
The article was significantly improved since I added POV tag. However, I still think we should consider merge: Colchicum, you gave an example of ONE expert saying that financial crisis in Russia is sui generis. Both articles (from the same source) you used to prove crisis in Russia is caused by internal politics, are, in fact, saying the opposite. For example (I presume, you speak Russian): "весной, когда кризис уже обрел свои очертания на Западе и тихо вползал в Россию под личиной инфляции", "обвал российского рынка является прямым следствием американского финансового кризиса, перекинувшегося сначала на европейские рынки, а затем и на рынки развивающихся стран" - these are quotes from the articles you use. Please give more serious arguments against merge. PS. Please do not consider my "grief". I actually have no reasons for it, and, in any case, this is a matter of my private interest only. FeelSunny ( talk) 09:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Umm, the RTS Index is up to 800, which is a 25% up from where it was a week ago. Other indexes show the same dynamics. How comes I do not see it in a timeline then? Do I see a POV here, or is it the timeline is just a bad idea? FeelSunny ( talk) 10:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
There is no reason for the article's existence. There are no articles, e.g., for the UK financial crisis, or for any other country except Iceland (which has actually collapsed). That Russia should be singled out even though it is not even in recession, unlike the US, UK, Eurozone and others boggles my mind. The article should definitely be merged with the Global financial crisis of 2008. There should be a merge vote ASAP. Causantin ( talk) 09:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
The article has been put under review for neutrality check as it seems to violate Wiki NPOV principles.
1. The header is misleading and does not match the article content. As the article address mostly stock market issues the header has to be changed to something like "2008 Russian stock market volatility" 2. The article does not adequately represent alternate points of view and uses mostly one-sided sources. The sources are cited in a biased way. 3. The article uses unsupported and highly speculative claims. As an example, the provided chart shows clearly that the claimed hypothesis on 'crisis' factors is false. The Russian stock market was going down synchronously with S&P index. So the introduction and backround parts have to be redone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.78.58 ( talk) 07:37, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
August and September are gone and seem like a history... life would not be so sweet ever. Shouldn't we consolidate all these daily bits into (at least) weekly or maybe even monthly headings? NVO ( talk) 07:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Tss, we are not in a recession yet, right? AFAIK, government hopes we won't be during 2009. At least that's what Kudrin says. As to the matter, I think Global financial crisis of 2008–2009 is a very good example of stucturizing an article in a way close to what you propose. FeelSunny ( talk) 19:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
What we have on hand, in more or less sequence of events:
This, imo, is the plan to replace current timeline. Comments? NVO ( talk) 09:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone find an official/reliable source for these numbers ? NVO ( talk) 15:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I went into a bit of editing and I found that a lot needs to be done. I'm going to flag the article for a rewrite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nogburt ( talk • contribs) 21:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is ridiculous, why not doing an article about Mexican Financial Crisis 2008-2009 in which Mexican peso suffered against dollar from 10 pesos per dollar to almost 15 pesos per dollar, Russian Economy grew about 6% in 2008 and the economies of Western Europe and U.S.A registered recession, the situation in Russia is quite different to that of 1998. Given the conditions why not doing articles about Argentine Financial crisis 2008-2009, Brazilian Financial crisis 2008-2009 and the rest of the countries!, Argentina, Brazil and Mexico injected big quantities in order to avoid devaluation but it happened, another European countries like Hungary, Ukraine are waiting from huge millionaire loans from the FMI-- Jaguarlaser ( talk) 01:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I do not understand why an entire article is dedicated to the Russian financial crisis, when so many other countries are in far worst condition. ie; Ukraine, Latvia, Hungary, Ireland, Greece, Serbia, Lithuania to name a few. Why has Russia been singled out? I think the entire article should be scrapped as superfluous.
Is this article about the whole economical crisis, or only about the financial aspects (stock market, budget deficit, bank system, etc.)? Offliner ( talk) 15:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
This article needs a serious update. Here are a couple relevant news items I came across today:
These are the comments who IP 99.224.169.254 posted on article page, I ( Mariah-Yulia) move them to here:
it was a global financial crisis not only in Russia, why does Russia needs it own article. Its Russophobic and bias. Do then for every country a 2007-2009 financial crisis article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 343zoz ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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The russian micex went up sept 19 by 26% and RTS went up same day by 20%. so this article is completely wrong already. 67.175.45.138 ( talk) 16:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Monday 06-Oct-2008 the RTS fell below the psychological limit of 1000... and in the first week of the October russian stock market was closed at least for a couple of times... think these things should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.40.240.184 ( talk) 19:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
This article seems featuring very strong anti-russian POV to me. It does not provide any souces on the causes of the 'Russian' crisis and overall portrays it as completely different to thу mortgage crisis. however, the main reason behind the fall of Russian SE is, after all, the huge lack of finansial resources, and decline in oil and gaz prices, which followed the withdrawal of funds from emerging markets and fall of manufacturing when the last stage of crisis in U.S. started. fall of Russian stocks price is not something sui generis, but is a part of world financial crisis. I therefore propose to merge this with 2008 World financial crisis article. FeelSunny ( talk) 22:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
The article was significantly improved since I added POV tag. However, I still think we should consider merge: Colchicum, you gave an example of ONE expert saying that financial crisis in Russia is sui generis. Both articles (from the same source) you used to prove crisis in Russia is caused by internal politics, are, in fact, saying the opposite. For example (I presume, you speak Russian): "весной, когда кризис уже обрел свои очертания на Западе и тихо вползал в Россию под личиной инфляции", "обвал российского рынка является прямым следствием американского финансового кризиса, перекинувшегося сначала на европейские рынки, а затем и на рынки развивающихся стран" - these are quotes from the articles you use. Please give more serious arguments against merge. PS. Please do not consider my "grief". I actually have no reasons for it, and, in any case, this is a matter of my private interest only. FeelSunny ( talk) 09:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Umm, the RTS Index is up to 800, which is a 25% up from where it was a week ago. Other indexes show the same dynamics. How comes I do not see it in a timeline then? Do I see a POV here, or is it the timeline is just a bad idea? FeelSunny ( talk) 10:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
There is no reason for the article's existence. There are no articles, e.g., for the UK financial crisis, or for any other country except Iceland (which has actually collapsed). That Russia should be singled out even though it is not even in recession, unlike the US, UK, Eurozone and others boggles my mind. The article should definitely be merged with the Global financial crisis of 2008. There should be a merge vote ASAP. Causantin ( talk) 09:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
The article has been put under review for neutrality check as it seems to violate Wiki NPOV principles.
1. The header is misleading and does not match the article content. As the article address mostly stock market issues the header has to be changed to something like "2008 Russian stock market volatility" 2. The article does not adequately represent alternate points of view and uses mostly one-sided sources. The sources are cited in a biased way. 3. The article uses unsupported and highly speculative claims. As an example, the provided chart shows clearly that the claimed hypothesis on 'crisis' factors is false. The Russian stock market was going down synchronously with S&P index. So the introduction and backround parts have to be redone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.78.58 ( talk) 07:37, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
August and September are gone and seem like a history... life would not be so sweet ever. Shouldn't we consolidate all these daily bits into (at least) weekly or maybe even monthly headings? NVO ( talk) 07:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Tss, we are not in a recession yet, right? AFAIK, government hopes we won't be during 2009. At least that's what Kudrin says. As to the matter, I think Global financial crisis of 2008–2009 is a very good example of stucturizing an article in a way close to what you propose. FeelSunny ( talk) 19:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
What we have on hand, in more or less sequence of events:
This, imo, is the plan to replace current timeline. Comments? NVO ( talk) 09:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone find an official/reliable source for these numbers ? NVO ( talk) 15:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I went into a bit of editing and I found that a lot needs to be done. I'm going to flag the article for a rewrite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nogburt ( talk • contribs) 21:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is ridiculous, why not doing an article about Mexican Financial Crisis 2008-2009 in which Mexican peso suffered against dollar from 10 pesos per dollar to almost 15 pesos per dollar, Russian Economy grew about 6% in 2008 and the economies of Western Europe and U.S.A registered recession, the situation in Russia is quite different to that of 1998. Given the conditions why not doing articles about Argentine Financial crisis 2008-2009, Brazilian Financial crisis 2008-2009 and the rest of the countries!, Argentina, Brazil and Mexico injected big quantities in order to avoid devaluation but it happened, another European countries like Hungary, Ukraine are waiting from huge millionaire loans from the FMI-- Jaguarlaser ( talk) 01:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
I do not understand why an entire article is dedicated to the Russian financial crisis, when so many other countries are in far worst condition. ie; Ukraine, Latvia, Hungary, Ireland, Greece, Serbia, Lithuania to name a few. Why has Russia been singled out? I think the entire article should be scrapped as superfluous.
Is this article about the whole economical crisis, or only about the financial aspects (stock market, budget deficit, bank system, etc.)? Offliner ( talk) 15:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
This article needs a serious update. Here are a couple relevant news items I came across today:
These are the comments who IP 99.224.169.254 posted on article page, I ( Mariah-Yulia) move them to here:
it was a global financial crisis not only in Russia, why does Russia needs it own article. Its Russophobic and bias. Do then for every country a 2007-2009 financial crisis article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 343zoz ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:54, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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