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I am sympathetic to Emperor's position that the entire thing should be deleted as it doesn't add anything. However, I think a reasonable compromise would be to include the part of the quote that actually is criticism of typical graphic novels (that they are more of a compendium of serial comics rather than a true "novel"), but to leave out the endorsement for the Mr.T graphic novel. The endorsement is just spammy as hell. It's like, "Other graphics novels suck, but the one I am trying to sell is awesome!" Nuh-uh. Not gonna happen. That is not criticism, that is advertising.
If the IP and Featsoffact are not willing to compromise, I am going to side with Emperor and help to revert the entire quote. I will not tolerate the endorsement for a particular graphic novel in the Criticism section. But if we can come to a compromise, that would be great! -- Jaysweet ( talk) 14:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Attn: Featsoffact -- If there is one thing I have no patience for on Wikipedia, it is people who continuously edit war without attempting to reach consensus on the Talk page. This is not acceptable behavior.
At least two users (myself and Emperor) have expressed concern that the quote you have added under "Criticism" is more of an endorsement of a particular graphic novel rather than a criticism of the genre. I, for one, would like to find a compromise, and would invite you to engage us here and try to allay our concerns. For instance, I have already suggested that the quote might be acceptable if we just left off the sentence contrasting the Mr. T graphic novel from others in the genre.
Let me make you this offer: If you engage on the Talk page and at least make a good faith attempt to reach a consensus, then I will stop reverting your changes. I think that is a very fair deal. Okay? Hope to hear from you soon! -- Jaysweet ( talk) 17:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello- I am frustrated as this guy really seems to be hounding me, simple as. I'm sure it would be considered illegal harassment in any other setting and it is close here. I am speaking to numerous bodies about what I can do, in the meantime the quote is a terrific, contemporary, perspective on the graphic novel and I think it deserves mention. It surely can't be an advert- titles are mentioned throughout the article, in lots more detail! I would like the quote returned and if anyone but the aforementioned wants the so-called advert part taken out I can agree on that even though this is all his doing so he gets his way.-- Featsoffact ( talk) 19:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello- I felt it unfair needing to do so and it only became an issue when he followed me and I thought doing so would only add fuel to the fire. Btw- that quote has been added nowhere else by me. He was following me but that may need to be handled seperetely to this. To be fair, other GNs are mentioned in the article and get far more push than the small mention disputed in that quote!-- Featsoffact ( talk) 20:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd mention to any of you out there that may view this page that.. No history for graphic novels is given for the last 20 years. Although not alot (If not nothing) has happened, besides many film adaptations, it might be good to maybe fill in this period of time. Regards, someoneacrosstheinternet
I see the comic book article gives links to various non-us comic book traditions, and seems to compare them with what graphic novel seems to mean here. So, should there be mentions and links to those articles here as well as on the comic book page (con: undesirable duplication of information, pro: presumed similarity?) , or would this article be limited to mainly US graphical novels, where the term seems to have some currency? The confusion seems to be present in various articles, say Argentinian comic book artist José Antonio Muñoz,is described as a graphic novel artist , while here there is no mention of him nor of people that influenced him, apart from a passing mention of corto maltese ;and he was Pratt's student; most other articles on artistically ambitious non-US artist (of franco-belgian tradition, or various latin american authors) describe them as comic book artists. So, what should be the convention, and what should be the scope of this article? Aryah ( talk) 15:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunate choice to start with the first American occurrence when even that graphic novel is stated as being a translation of a european novel. Being as there is a longer history in Europe of novels would it not be better to start with European and move on to how it moved to America? PlexiLexy ( talk) 23:32, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
The History section credits William Blake with creating the first graphic novel. However, a new article on Joseph Franz von Goez makes a credible claim of that title for Goez, based on an earlier publication of a work titled Leonardo und Blandine, which is reproduced in full at the article's cited reference. Admittedly, the citation is a tad weak (a blog), but the presence of actual images of the work in question is fairly irrefutable. Thoughts? WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 15:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the link to a short essay in Italian about the graphic novel. The English translation, to which it should have linked, appears here. It appears to be only partly translated — the latter part remain in Italian. More problematically, we have no idea who author Nicola Andreani is or what his credentials are. The essay itself doesn't really add anything to the information already here. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 18:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Nicola Andreani. I finished the translation of the article that I written in www.graphicnovel.altervista.org. and that it is a sinthesys of a bigger essay about graphic novel. I think that this essay add something to the information of the term Graphic Novel. In fact it says that graphic novel is not only an american tradition. I think you should reintroduce my link. Thank's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trasimenus ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate your work in this page, it was very helpful for my thesis in Modern Literature "The graphic novel: theory and history in the Sequential Literature". My essay is not an history of the term graphic novel, but a theory of the novel that it is applied to the graphic novel. In addiction I find the first graphic novel of all the bigger national schools of Comics in the world. This link is only a little sinthesys of my work. I'm not a fan, but a researcher. I would share my researchs with the community of internet. I would continue my research, so I'm looking for a Ph.D. in Comics, but in Italy doesn't exist (so I'm looking for in America). I collaborate with the magazine Fumo di China, Animals, the publisher Npe and with the Library of Comics of Perugia "La Biblioteca delle Nuvole", I teach Comics in the schools, etc... In the personal information I don't write these things, because I would only share my ideas. - Trasimenus ( talk) 10:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)trasimenus
Could someone who might know more about it add the 1972 comics album Misty, by James McQuade to the early modern years section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.3.195 ( talk) 20:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
After looking at inside pages of this 1941 book here, it's clear that though it's been described as "comic strip-like," that's only true in the Prince Valiant sense: Like Jim Steranko's illustrated novel Chandler: Red Tide, this is little different from any other children's book: A picture per page with text accompanying it. Without a cited authority making a case for this as being in any way anything different from an ordinary children's book vis a vis the graphic novel, its inclusion is simply a POV original-research claim. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 00:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
==This paragraph
In the UK, Titan Books held the license to reprint strips from 2000 AD, including Judge Dredd, beginning in 1981, and Robo-Hunter, 1982. The company also published British collections of American graphic novels—including Swamp Thing, printed in black-and-white rather than in color as originally—and of British newspaper strips, including Modesty Blaise and Garth. Igor Goldkind was the marketing consultant who worked at Titan and moved to 2000 AD and by his own account helped to popularize the term "graphic novel" as a way to help sell the trade paperbacks they were publishing. He said he "stole the term outright from Will Eisner" and that his contribution was to "take the badge (today it's called a 'brand') and explain it, contextualise it and sell it convincingly enough so that bookshop keepers, book distributors and the book trade would accept a new category of 'spine-fiction' on their bookshelves". CITE: "Igor Goldkind Interview", 2000AD Review, June 7, 2005. WebCitation archive
All this seems to be saying is that Titan books published existing comics in book form. I'm not really seeing how that's notable. Comic strips have been reprinted in book form practically since the medium began. And comic-book miniseries were reprinted in "graphic novel" format since at least 1972's Time and Again, mentioned in the article. Igor Goldkind saying "by his own account he helped popularize the term graphic novel" seems self-serving; has anybody else said that? And it doesn't seem accurate in this case, anyway: A reprint collection of comic books is not a graphic novel. She Hulk Volume One collecting issues #1-10 or some such is not a graphic novel. This whole paragraph seems like nothing more than undue-weight aggrandizement of Goldkind. Discussion, please. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:28, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
"More on this story" now links 3 other articles: "The graphic novel's spectacular rise: from kids' comics to the Costa prize", "Two Costa nominations isn't the full picture for comics", "Costa book awards 2012 shortlists first graphic works". -- P64 ( talk) 03:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
If someone can get ahold of this book, it would be a good source for this article. Curly Turkey ⚞ ¡gobble!⚟ 06:19, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Another great source could be
There's a discussion currently taking place at WP:NFCR#File:Watchmencovers.png regarding the use of this non-free image in the article. The concern is that the image is simply being used for identification and not as the subject of critical commentary per "Cover Art" in WP:NFCI, particularly WP:NFC#cite_note-2. All interested editors are welcome to participate in the discussion and provide further clarification as needed. Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly ( talk) 14:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
It is unclear in this footnote if the prose after the cite itself is quoting from Amazing Heroes or is uncited essaying. I would ask anon IP 213.10.112.233 to respond.
-- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Comic book (tebeo el Spanish and gibi en Portuguese): comic magazine, with one or more complete histories or miniseries compiled or isolated or comic strips, charges or cartoons compiled. Etymology (comic book): from the American English, comic book, name given to the first comic magazines in English to be very similar to books, where comic is the alternative spelling of comics and book is tome. Etymology (tebeo): from the Hispanic Spanish, TBO, name of an old infantile comic magazine, whose name was a phonetic adaptation of the expression Te Veo, I see you in English and Eu vejo você in Portuguese. Etymology (gibi): from the Brazilian Portuguese, Gibi, name of an old infantile comic magazine, whose name was a folklore slang, brat or little black.
Graphic novel: comic tome with one or more complete stories or miniseries compiled or isolated or comic strips, cartoons or cartoons compiled.
Fanzine (fanzine even in Spanish and Portuguese): magazine made by amateurs, containing several themes, among them, the comics themselves, science fiction texts, music, poetry and other things. Etymology: from the American English, fanzine, fanatic + magazine, fanatic + revue.
Saviochristi ( talk)
After reading about the idea of what a graphic novel, I found that there isn't a real fine line for it. It just seems to be a type of comic style that's more towards a more mature audience. It interesting to see how graphic novel and comic bled into each other and now formed what we know is superhero comic books. It goes through the history of American and European and the comparison of how each of them sees it differently. What I feel like the article needs articles about the influence of Asian, African and other graphic novels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.51.93.140 ( talk) 01:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
I've belatedly removed someone's shameless attempt to pawn off a college student's WP:SELFPUBLISHED paper under the guise of calling the student a "Belgian literary scholar." It was made here by an anon IP, with the obvious possibility that this was the student himself. The person, K. Geeraerts, has not published any books about comics. Clearly, we can find actual published authorities for the kinds of subjective claims this student was making. -- Tenebrae ( talk)
Trade paperback (comics) (TPB) makes a hard distinction between that term and graphic novel (GN) in the lead by claiming GN is largely original material. GN repeats that in its definition section in nuanced way beside other definitions. I'm not convinced these two terms are distinct enough for separate articles. Argento Surfer ( talk) 20:42, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
I removed the merge template since the conversation stalled without consensus. Argento Surfer ( talk) 14:42, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Let me introduce you to Giannina Braschi who wrote "United States of Banana" (a book) and some other stuff, including poems. She's adding her book and herself all over Wikipedia.
Giannina Braschi wordpress personal page states that her book "United States of Banana" would be made into a graphic novel by an artist in 2017. As of now, it's release has been delayed - set to be released in 2021. Her personal wordpress is here: https://gianninabraschi.wordpress.com/2017/04/30/new-release-swedish-comic-book-of-united-states-of-banana/ She's been promoting her book by adding it all over Wikipedia. I think this should not be on this article since the "graphic novel" of Giannina Braschi's United States of Banana doesn't even exist yet.
Mentioning this author here with a book that is to be co-authored, that isn't even published yet gives UNDUE WP:WEIGHT and is WP:PROMOTIONAL to Giannina Braschi. What about, for example, all the other latinx writers recommended by this library that are not mentioned in this wikipedia articlle - who already have graphic novels published? -- The Eloquent Peasant ( talk) 01:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
This page is mostly about the terminology. The terminology debate should be shortened by at least half. Most of the article should be about the substance, which is the graphic novels. 150.108.60.12 ( talk) 22:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
There have been repeated attempts to link a reference to the book The Complete Idiot's Guide to Creating a Graphic Novel to a scan of the book hosted online. As one of the authors of that book, and a copyright holder in it (all rights held by the publisher were reverted to the authors), I can tell you that that copy is not licensed. Per WP:COPYVIOEL, that URL should not be reinserted. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 14:24, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
At the moment, the infobox uses a picture of a relatively recent edition of A Contract with God. Would not this cover, from the original year of release, better represent Eisner advancing the term when it was not in common usage? -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 16:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
For some reason, the opening sentence says that a graphic novel must be fictional. The second sentence claims that applying it to non-fiction is controversial... and does so without any sources. The closest thing I can find to anything supporting this in the article is a quoted Merriam-Webster definition... but if you follow the source listed, you'll find that the definition makes no claim about it being fiction, merely a "a story that is presented in comic-strip format and published as a book." (That "story" requirement may knock out, say, Understanding Comics, but not March, Maus, Persopolis, etc.) That definition has been in place since at least September 2017, and even the prior definition does not require "fiction". I'm not going to edit it myself due to a slight WP:COI (one of the sources used in discussing the term is my writing), but can someone else review this concern and change the opening sentences (as well as the later M-W citation) if they agree? -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 20:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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I am sympathetic to Emperor's position that the entire thing should be deleted as it doesn't add anything. However, I think a reasonable compromise would be to include the part of the quote that actually is criticism of typical graphic novels (that they are more of a compendium of serial comics rather than a true "novel"), but to leave out the endorsement for the Mr.T graphic novel. The endorsement is just spammy as hell. It's like, "Other graphics novels suck, but the one I am trying to sell is awesome!" Nuh-uh. Not gonna happen. That is not criticism, that is advertising.
If the IP and Featsoffact are not willing to compromise, I am going to side with Emperor and help to revert the entire quote. I will not tolerate the endorsement for a particular graphic novel in the Criticism section. But if we can come to a compromise, that would be great! -- Jaysweet ( talk) 14:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Attn: Featsoffact -- If there is one thing I have no patience for on Wikipedia, it is people who continuously edit war without attempting to reach consensus on the Talk page. This is not acceptable behavior.
At least two users (myself and Emperor) have expressed concern that the quote you have added under "Criticism" is more of an endorsement of a particular graphic novel rather than a criticism of the genre. I, for one, would like to find a compromise, and would invite you to engage us here and try to allay our concerns. For instance, I have already suggested that the quote might be acceptable if we just left off the sentence contrasting the Mr. T graphic novel from others in the genre.
Let me make you this offer: If you engage on the Talk page and at least make a good faith attempt to reach a consensus, then I will stop reverting your changes. I think that is a very fair deal. Okay? Hope to hear from you soon! -- Jaysweet ( talk) 17:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello- I am frustrated as this guy really seems to be hounding me, simple as. I'm sure it would be considered illegal harassment in any other setting and it is close here. I am speaking to numerous bodies about what I can do, in the meantime the quote is a terrific, contemporary, perspective on the graphic novel and I think it deserves mention. It surely can't be an advert- titles are mentioned throughout the article, in lots more detail! I would like the quote returned and if anyone but the aforementioned wants the so-called advert part taken out I can agree on that even though this is all his doing so he gets his way.-- Featsoffact ( talk) 19:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello- I felt it unfair needing to do so and it only became an issue when he followed me and I thought doing so would only add fuel to the fire. Btw- that quote has been added nowhere else by me. He was following me but that may need to be handled seperetely to this. To be fair, other GNs are mentioned in the article and get far more push than the small mention disputed in that quote!-- Featsoffact ( talk) 20:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Just thought I'd mention to any of you out there that may view this page that.. No history for graphic novels is given for the last 20 years. Although not alot (If not nothing) has happened, besides many film adaptations, it might be good to maybe fill in this period of time. Regards, someoneacrosstheinternet
I see the comic book article gives links to various non-us comic book traditions, and seems to compare them with what graphic novel seems to mean here. So, should there be mentions and links to those articles here as well as on the comic book page (con: undesirable duplication of information, pro: presumed similarity?) , or would this article be limited to mainly US graphical novels, where the term seems to have some currency? The confusion seems to be present in various articles, say Argentinian comic book artist José Antonio Muñoz,is described as a graphic novel artist , while here there is no mention of him nor of people that influenced him, apart from a passing mention of corto maltese ;and he was Pratt's student; most other articles on artistically ambitious non-US artist (of franco-belgian tradition, or various latin american authors) describe them as comic book artists. So, what should be the convention, and what should be the scope of this article? Aryah ( talk) 15:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunate choice to start with the first American occurrence when even that graphic novel is stated as being a translation of a european novel. Being as there is a longer history in Europe of novels would it not be better to start with European and move on to how it moved to America? PlexiLexy ( talk) 23:32, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
The History section credits William Blake with creating the first graphic novel. However, a new article on Joseph Franz von Goez makes a credible claim of that title for Goez, based on an earlier publication of a work titled Leonardo und Blandine, which is reproduced in full at the article's cited reference. Admittedly, the citation is a tad weak (a blog), but the presence of actual images of the work in question is fairly irrefutable. Thoughts? WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 15:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the link to a short essay in Italian about the graphic novel. The English translation, to which it should have linked, appears here. It appears to be only partly translated — the latter part remain in Italian. More problematically, we have no idea who author Nicola Andreani is or what his credentials are. The essay itself doesn't really add anything to the information already here. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 18:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Nicola Andreani. I finished the translation of the article that I written in www.graphicnovel.altervista.org. and that it is a sinthesys of a bigger essay about graphic novel. I think that this essay add something to the information of the term Graphic Novel. In fact it says that graphic novel is not only an american tradition. I think you should reintroduce my link. Thank's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trasimenus ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate your work in this page, it was very helpful for my thesis in Modern Literature "The graphic novel: theory and history in the Sequential Literature". My essay is not an history of the term graphic novel, but a theory of the novel that it is applied to the graphic novel. In addiction I find the first graphic novel of all the bigger national schools of Comics in the world. This link is only a little sinthesys of my work. I'm not a fan, but a researcher. I would share my researchs with the community of internet. I would continue my research, so I'm looking for a Ph.D. in Comics, but in Italy doesn't exist (so I'm looking for in America). I collaborate with the magazine Fumo di China, Animals, the publisher Npe and with the Library of Comics of Perugia "La Biblioteca delle Nuvole", I teach Comics in the schools, etc... In the personal information I don't write these things, because I would only share my ideas. - Trasimenus ( talk) 10:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)trasimenus
Could someone who might know more about it add the 1972 comics album Misty, by James McQuade to the early modern years section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.3.195 ( talk) 20:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
After looking at inside pages of this 1941 book here, it's clear that though it's been described as "comic strip-like," that's only true in the Prince Valiant sense: Like Jim Steranko's illustrated novel Chandler: Red Tide, this is little different from any other children's book: A picture per page with text accompanying it. Without a cited authority making a case for this as being in any way anything different from an ordinary children's book vis a vis the graphic novel, its inclusion is simply a POV original-research claim. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 00:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
==This paragraph
In the UK, Titan Books held the license to reprint strips from 2000 AD, including Judge Dredd, beginning in 1981, and Robo-Hunter, 1982. The company also published British collections of American graphic novels—including Swamp Thing, printed in black-and-white rather than in color as originally—and of British newspaper strips, including Modesty Blaise and Garth. Igor Goldkind was the marketing consultant who worked at Titan and moved to 2000 AD and by his own account helped to popularize the term "graphic novel" as a way to help sell the trade paperbacks they were publishing. He said he "stole the term outright from Will Eisner" and that his contribution was to "take the badge (today it's called a 'brand') and explain it, contextualise it and sell it convincingly enough so that bookshop keepers, book distributors and the book trade would accept a new category of 'spine-fiction' on their bookshelves". CITE: "Igor Goldkind Interview", 2000AD Review, June 7, 2005. WebCitation archive
All this seems to be saying is that Titan books published existing comics in book form. I'm not really seeing how that's notable. Comic strips have been reprinted in book form practically since the medium began. And comic-book miniseries were reprinted in "graphic novel" format since at least 1972's Time and Again, mentioned in the article. Igor Goldkind saying "by his own account he helped popularize the term graphic novel" seems self-serving; has anybody else said that? And it doesn't seem accurate in this case, anyway: A reprint collection of comic books is not a graphic novel. She Hulk Volume One collecting issues #1-10 or some such is not a graphic novel. This whole paragraph seems like nothing more than undue-weight aggrandizement of Goldkind. Discussion, please. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 17:28, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
"More on this story" now links 3 other articles: "The graphic novel's spectacular rise: from kids' comics to the Costa prize", "Two Costa nominations isn't the full picture for comics", "Costa book awards 2012 shortlists first graphic works". -- P64 ( talk) 03:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
If someone can get ahold of this book, it would be a good source for this article. Curly Turkey ⚞ ¡gobble!⚟ 06:19, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Another great source could be
There's a discussion currently taking place at WP:NFCR#File:Watchmencovers.png regarding the use of this non-free image in the article. The concern is that the image is simply being used for identification and not as the subject of critical commentary per "Cover Art" in WP:NFCI, particularly WP:NFC#cite_note-2. All interested editors are welcome to participate in the discussion and provide further clarification as needed. Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly ( talk) 14:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
It is unclear in this footnote if the prose after the cite itself is quoting from Amazing Heroes or is uncited essaying. I would ask anon IP 213.10.112.233 to respond.
-- Tenebrae ( talk) 19:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Comic book (tebeo el Spanish and gibi en Portuguese): comic magazine, with one or more complete histories or miniseries compiled or isolated or comic strips, charges or cartoons compiled. Etymology (comic book): from the American English, comic book, name given to the first comic magazines in English to be very similar to books, where comic is the alternative spelling of comics and book is tome. Etymology (tebeo): from the Hispanic Spanish, TBO, name of an old infantile comic magazine, whose name was a phonetic adaptation of the expression Te Veo, I see you in English and Eu vejo você in Portuguese. Etymology (gibi): from the Brazilian Portuguese, Gibi, name of an old infantile comic magazine, whose name was a folklore slang, brat or little black.
Graphic novel: comic tome with one or more complete stories or miniseries compiled or isolated or comic strips, cartoons or cartoons compiled.
Fanzine (fanzine even in Spanish and Portuguese): magazine made by amateurs, containing several themes, among them, the comics themselves, science fiction texts, music, poetry and other things. Etymology: from the American English, fanzine, fanatic + magazine, fanatic + revue.
Saviochristi ( talk)
After reading about the idea of what a graphic novel, I found that there isn't a real fine line for it. It just seems to be a type of comic style that's more towards a more mature audience. It interesting to see how graphic novel and comic bled into each other and now formed what we know is superhero comic books. It goes through the history of American and European and the comparison of how each of them sees it differently. What I feel like the article needs articles about the influence of Asian, African and other graphic novels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.51.93.140 ( talk) 01:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
I've belatedly removed someone's shameless attempt to pawn off a college student's WP:SELFPUBLISHED paper under the guise of calling the student a "Belgian literary scholar." It was made here by an anon IP, with the obvious possibility that this was the student himself. The person, K. Geeraerts, has not published any books about comics. Clearly, we can find actual published authorities for the kinds of subjective claims this student was making. -- Tenebrae ( talk)
Trade paperback (comics) (TPB) makes a hard distinction between that term and graphic novel (GN) in the lead by claiming GN is largely original material. GN repeats that in its definition section in nuanced way beside other definitions. I'm not convinced these two terms are distinct enough for separate articles. Argento Surfer ( talk) 20:42, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
I removed the merge template since the conversation stalled without consensus. Argento Surfer ( talk) 14:42, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Let me introduce you to Giannina Braschi who wrote "United States of Banana" (a book) and some other stuff, including poems. She's adding her book and herself all over Wikipedia.
Giannina Braschi wordpress personal page states that her book "United States of Banana" would be made into a graphic novel by an artist in 2017. As of now, it's release has been delayed - set to be released in 2021. Her personal wordpress is here: https://gianninabraschi.wordpress.com/2017/04/30/new-release-swedish-comic-book-of-united-states-of-banana/ She's been promoting her book by adding it all over Wikipedia. I think this should not be on this article since the "graphic novel" of Giannina Braschi's United States of Banana doesn't even exist yet.
Mentioning this author here with a book that is to be co-authored, that isn't even published yet gives UNDUE WP:WEIGHT and is WP:PROMOTIONAL to Giannina Braschi. What about, for example, all the other latinx writers recommended by this library that are not mentioned in this wikipedia articlle - who already have graphic novels published? -- The Eloquent Peasant ( talk) 01:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
This page is mostly about the terminology. The terminology debate should be shortened by at least half. Most of the article should be about the substance, which is the graphic novels. 150.108.60.12 ( talk) 22:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
There have been repeated attempts to link a reference to the book The Complete Idiot's Guide to Creating a Graphic Novel to a scan of the book hosted online. As one of the authors of that book, and a copyright holder in it (all rights held by the publisher were reverted to the authors), I can tell you that that copy is not licensed. Per WP:COPYVIOEL, that URL should not be reinserted. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 14:24, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
At the moment, the infobox uses a picture of a relatively recent edition of A Contract with God. Would not this cover, from the original year of release, better represent Eisner advancing the term when it was not in common usage? -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 16:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
For some reason, the opening sentence says that a graphic novel must be fictional. The second sentence claims that applying it to non-fiction is controversial... and does so without any sources. The closest thing I can find to anything supporting this in the article is a quoted Merriam-Webster definition... but if you follow the source listed, you'll find that the definition makes no claim about it being fiction, merely a "a story that is presented in comic-strip format and published as a book." (That "story" requirement may knock out, say, Understanding Comics, but not March, Maus, Persopolis, etc.) That definition has been in place since at least September 2017, and even the prior definition does not require "fiction". I'm not going to edit it myself due to a slight WP:COI (one of the sources used in discussing the term is my writing), but can someone else review this concern and change the opening sentences (as well as the later M-W citation) if they agree? -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 20:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)